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1161  Other / Off-topic / Re: Does anybody here recognize this guy as a fellow Bitcoiner? on: February 27, 2014, 03:02:52 PM

As everybody now knows, tumblers doesn’t work in reality. You can't mix Bitcoins to less that Satoshis, and there is software available to track every single one of them ever mined



Why are all the biggest traffickers on SilkRoad, BlackMarketReloaded etc still trafficking and they've only caught the ones who did stupid shit like post guns using their personal bank cards or meet homeland security in person?

I thought tumbling DID work.
1162  Economy / Games and rounds / Re: Leancy Ltd - Bitcoin Investment - 150% Return & 5% Daily Interest (FREE $5 BTC) on: February 27, 2014, 02:32:48 PM
He has been sending it all back to Leancy. Therefore he still hasn't made any money.

I don't get it.

Do people view this as a flutter or are they serious about this as an investment?


I play blackjack but I know it's gambling, here I can't tell if people are serious or gambling
I know that it's a ponzi, the OP just gets better referral percentages from them so he shills for them.

I know WE know it's a ponzi.

I just mean I can't figure out if people are thinking it's not.

Why join a ponzi knowingly, at some point it WILL all be stolen/collapse? They must know this, so are they gambling they'll be early adopters and make out before the crash, or do they really think some random site can earn 5% daily interest
1163  Economy / Games and rounds / Re: Leancy Ltd - Bitcoin Investment - 150% Return & 5% Daily Interest (FREE $5 BTC) on: February 27, 2014, 02:29:15 PM
He has been sending it all back to Leancy. Therefore he still hasn't made any money.

I don't get it.

Do people view this as a flutter or are they serious about this as an investment?


I play blackjack but I know it's gambling, here I can't tell if people are serious or gambling
1164  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: P2P auction software with no central server and no fees ! on: February 27, 2014, 01:44:13 PM

If seller cheats buyer, buyer will not press button to release bitcoins to seller.

If buyer doesn't hit the button to release the bitcoins, buyer cannot get a refund so buyer cannot cheat the seller.



You left out option 3: buyer is an asshole and doesn't release the funds because - what difference does it make?

Would happen a lot
1165  Economy / Services / Re: Invest and make money -[ MUST READ] on: February 27, 2014, 01:09:22 PM
I remember a pump and dump involving implant sciences

Didn't they develop a bomb sniffer? It was just waiting for TSA approval.

Damn this is familiar


http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=IMSC+Interactive#symbol=imsc;range=my;compare=;indicator=volume;charttype=area;crosshair=on;ohlcvalues=0;logscale=off;source=;

1166  Economy / Services / Re: Invest and make money -[ MUST READ] on: February 27, 2014, 12:51:03 PM
Will you put 5k in escrow as insurance against me losing 5k
1167  Other / Off-topic / Re: Does anybody here recognize this guy as a fellow Bitcoiner? on: February 27, 2014, 12:24:47 PM
never knew that idiot was french
1168  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: XZZX.BIZ Automatic Bitcoin Exchange service on: February 27, 2014, 11:11:00 AM
how do you do btc to any visa?

Pretty sure my cards don't support that
1169  Economy / Speculation / Re: Do you really believe gox has lost 740,000 BTC and has only 2,000 left? on: February 27, 2014, 08:37:59 AM
People who don't know anyone involved are saying "it's impossible"

then people in the know are saying "worst run business in history"

Maybe it IS possible.

1170  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Bitstamp BLOCKs withdrawals to verified users on: February 26, 2014, 03:42:03 PM


Well, it's Florida State law, not USA law. So, it is a little unpredictable. :-)

What government jurisdiction are you under?

I'm a nomad.

Also I thought the secret service was involved, no? that's federal not state

i think the money service was a state thing then the feds got involved. I would have to check
1171  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Bitstamp BLOCKs withdrawals to verified users on: February 26, 2014, 03:33:54 PM

I don't know where you live- I'm just giving you an example related to your question. Sure these guys are idiots- but nothing stoping any other state, or government from doing the exact same thing. Heck for all we know, some local sheriff could set up a localbitcoins sting purely with the intention of getting to keep the seized funds to buy a new cruiser after you're convicted as guilty.

Anyway, I was just trying to make the point that the government is hard to predict at the moment concerning bitcoin, but using a fake name is indeed, technically, illegal. (Depending)

But of course, get your own legal advice. None of what I say constitutes it. :-)


You pointed to a completely irrelevant situation where two guys were not only breaking state laws that explicitly prohibited what they were doing but also agreed to sell to undercover agents AFTER they told them they planned to use them illegally.

That isn't that unpredictable of an action from the government in the USA.

And I am 100% confident my government wouldn't do similar.

Fact is, using a fake name on my bitstamp account is no more illegal than me using a fake name on my facebook (which I also do)

You've gone from it being 100% illegal money laundering to "it depending" ....
1172  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Bitstamp BLOCKs withdrawals to verified users on: February 26, 2014, 03:23:07 PM
What about all the trades on localbitcoins where I don't give a name? is that also money laundering and the police are just waiting to arrest me?

You obviously didn't read the news about the guys in Miami who were arrested for buying/selling Bitcoins on LocalBitcoins.


Like I said, the laws are on the books- it's up to governments to decide how and when they feel like enforcing them.

That said- there is some sort of lower limit you have to meet before the government considers what you are doing a crime. That said, there is also a law about deliberately staying below the lower limit specifically not to hit that lower limit. So, play nice.


I'm not in Florida, so what the hell does Florida have to do with me?

Those idiots made themselves party to a criminal conspiracy by being utterly retarded, entrapment is legal in the land of the free. It isn't here.

1173  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: letter to mtgox on: February 26, 2014, 03:17:03 PM
I'm amazed that he's been investing for 3 years - 15 or 20 a month and only lost 5 btc.

$15 or $20 a month for most of 2011 would make you a millionaire
1174  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Bitstamp BLOCKs withdrawals to verified users on: February 26, 2014, 03:10:20 PM
What about all the trades on localbitcoins where I don't give a name? is that also money laundering and the police are just waiting to arrest me?
1175  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Bitstamp BLOCKs withdrawals to verified users on: February 26, 2014, 03:08:43 PM

I think actually every country- at least every country with a modern functioning financial system, which includes the UK or Slovenia, wherever they are located.

Replace Bitcoin with "Financial instrument" and I think that should give you an idea of what you've done. Maybe governments didn't CARE about bitcoin when it was worth a few dollars each, but they aren't obligated to enforce every law on the book, they are usually content just HAVING the law on the book, and now that Bitcoin is worth real money- I think every modern country in the world would view what you've done as money laundering.

So yeah, you're a criminal in the eye's of the financial regulators. Whether or not they go after you is up to them and whether or not they can find you. They CAN however find Bitstamp, so they have prudently seized your funds to play nice with the police if they ever show up. That said- technically unless you have a government ID with your 'Fake Name' you're pretty much screwed even if weren't illegal (which it most certainly is). If you registered as "Buttlick McBalls" Bitstamp is well within it's rights to ask for your government ID with said name on it.  From bitstamps point of view (not considering the criminal element), until Mr McBalls shows up, that money can very nicely pad their 'reserves' for a rainy day.

Good luck.

lol bollocks.

At no point whilst I was trading on this particular account was bitcoin classed as a financial instrument anywhere in the world.

You might as well claim that selling stamps on eBay is money laundering
1176  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Bitstamp BLOCKs withdrawals to verified users on: February 26, 2014, 02:47:05 PM
they are trained to not ask anything ( except when you are opning an account,

not in the UK. MrsPiggles used to work in a bank and they are trained to sneakily ask AML questions during normal transactions.

If I go and withdraw even £1500 I'll probably be explicitly asked "what for"

if I deposit regularly I'll be asked what the cash is from
1177  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Bitstamp BLOCKs withdrawals to verified users on: February 26, 2014, 02:27:55 PM

It just wont ever happen to me or anyone, banks are not allowed to do that, only authorities can.

Banks do it all the time.

I have accounts with 3 different banks in the UK alone so that when one gets frozen I can use another.

Plus prepaid cards.

Anyone who travels a lot, if you don't constantly inform your bank where you will be on what days...will get their accounts frozen
1178  Economy / Services / Re: Invest and make money -[ MUST READ] on: February 26, 2014, 02:19:23 PM
OK so that looked alright.

There was a long delay between it being .64 and you claiming to have sold out at .64 though. It's .58 already
1179  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Bitstamp BLOCKs withdrawals to verified users on: February 26, 2014, 02:16:16 PM

He's right though and depending how much money you had on the exchange, you might have committed a financial crime by lying about your identity. Using a fake name and withdrawing/depositing money under it, IS money laundering, and what you have done, a crime.
 

Either way, you've essentially forfeited your money in the near-term.

I withdrew it to accounts with no name on.

So I bought/sold btc in a fake name, and deposited them to accounts with no name.

In what country is using a fake name to sell bitcoins illegal?

What law was broken by registering on a slovenian site with a fake name?
1180  Economy / Services / Re: Invest and make money -[ MUST READ] on: February 26, 2014, 02:05:41 PM
Yes, although .65 isn't 20% it's slightly under but I saw it hit .66

it's now .63
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