And all these labels...that kills me. There is no "us" and "them", or "left", "right", or "center". Libertarians aren't the only people who hold the bitcoin ideology up. I'm certainly no libertarian, or democrat, or republican, or socialist. I'm a guy who wants to better the future of our country, of bitcoin, and of the lives of each person in our country. I won't treat "us" any different from "them".
That's something a socialist would say. So by saying what I've said you think I'm demonstrating any of the following: 1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods 2a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b: a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state 3: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done I'm not saying everything should be government controlled, nor am I saying that there will be no "private property". And currently, it looks as though (by the 3rd definition) we're already in a socialist state by the fact that the harder you work, the less you get paid. Look at welfare recipients who take advantage of the system. More kids + No Work = More $$$... And all these labels...that kills me. There is no "us" and "them", or "left", "right", or "center". Libertarians aren't the only people who hold the bitcoin ideology up. I'm certainly no libertarian, or democrat, or republican, or socialist. I'm a guy who wants to better the future of our country, of bitcoin, and of the lives of each person in our country. I won't treat "us" any different from "them".
That's something a socialist would say. So by saying what I've said you think I'm demonstrating any of the following: 1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods 2a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b: a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state 3: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done I'm not saying everything should be government controlled, nor am I saying that there will be no "private property". And currently, it looks as though (by the 3rd definition) we're already in a socialist state by the fact that the harder you work, the less you get paid. Look at welfare recipients who take advantage of the system. More kids + No Work = More $$$... uh well okay... I just don't get it. Why you don't want to spread bitcoins through a more established party? You know it has taken decades for the libertarian party to get to where it is. Politics is slow. Just sayian.
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And all these labels...that kills me. There is no "us" and "them", or "left", "right", or "center". Libertarians aren't the only people who hold the bitcoin ideology up. I'm certainly no libertarian, or democrat, or republican, or socialist. I'm a guy who wants to better the future of our country, of bitcoin, and of the lives of each person in our country. I won't treat "us" any different from "them".
That's something a socialist would say.
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Libertarians already support bitcoins. I really think this is pointless.
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Pride is what keeps people from a relationship with God. It makes people think things like, "There is no God. I don't need God. I have the power in me. I am fine without God" and so on.
INTELLIGENCE is what keeps people from a relationship with a fairy tale. Tell me bitchick, are you too proud to believe in the hundreds of other gods that people believe in?I believe there are thousands of "gods" who are lower in the hierarchy. We call them angels.
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I lent ~.4 btc to hydroponica on btcjam and he didn't pay back
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A little kid gets sea monkey eggs and puts them in a waterbowl. The sea monkeys grow and then become an advance civilization. A sea monkey asks a sea monkey scientists question on how their world works. The sea monkey asks. Sea monkey scientist what is this world made of? The monkey scientist answers, its made out of water (H20) The sea monkey then asks. Sea monkey scientist, what is our food made of? The sea monkey scientist answer, its made out yeast. The sea monkey then asks. Sea monkey scientist where did we come from. The sea monkey scientist then says. This bowl.
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waaa businesses that get government subsidies won't be able to function Why are businesses getting government subsidies? waaa wallstreet will stop buying government bonds GOOD waaa this will drop the confidence in the US dollar Like helicopter Bernanke isn't doing that already waaa what about muh gubmit job Your job is none essential and getting the axe. Time to default on this bitch.
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No thanks, I'd rather vote libertarian.
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I have one thing to say to the tea party members holding the country hostage. Woooo, do it faggot, default on that bitch. Wallstreet and big daddy gubmit are about to get a spanking.
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Bitcoins becoming a regular currency is more important than drugs. So I voted positive.
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There should be no more markets. The XPM market is scraping the bottom of the barrel.
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I don't know about you guys, but I don't want to live in a world where other people can hire hitmen to kill other people. People who think in those terms are despicable and deserve to stay in prison where they won't pose a threat to civilized people. There are many ways to deal and resolve conflicts that don't involve violence.
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You spelled "champion of murder" wrong. HTH.
To protect truly innocent people he made a threat. Fuck you! To protect his revenue stream, you mean. This is just another drug baron scumbag trying to protect his illegal business. May he rot in jail. Learning who the statist are in this community.. People who are in it for the money dont live in an apartment with roommates. I have been to jail I wouldnt wish it on my worst enemy. This is a bitcoin foundation member and thinks DPR should rot in prison. I guess we know what your motivation is and it aint freedom. I would venture to say you are the greedy one who is only thinking of themselves. No friend of mine. He only lived in an apartment because he wanted to stay below the radar and couldn't launder all his money.
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Hey we can't allow people to kill each other. That's were I draw the line. You kill someone you go to jail/go to the chair. Simple as that.
One could make the argument that objectively the system that SR had in place likely prevented more murders than it caused. But yes he is, if proven in a fair trial (however likely that may be) beyond a shadow of a doubt, a murder and does not deserve freedom. lives are not numbers. If you kill one person you're as bad as the person who kills a thousand.
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The fact that some idiot thinks I'm "authoritarian" for merely being unsurprised at Ulbricht's true nature just shows how deluded some people really were. You didn't have to be a genius to see that he might be dangerous. You're an "authoritarian asshole" because you turned an unproven allegation into an indiscriminate political smear against an entire philosophical discipline, including some of the top thinkers in the world today and some of the highest profile and staunchest Bitcoin supporters. You didn't condemn contracted murder, you used contracted murder as an excuse to condemned people who disagree with you politically. By the way - I'm amazed at how many people are surprised that a drug dealer with extreme anarcho-capitalist tendencies turned out to be not a swell guy! Imagine that!
Some of the top thinkers in the world today are drug dealers? I'm sure you've got a cite for that He never said that. He said some of the top thinkers are part of the philosophical discipline (ancapism/libertarianism). Stop twisting words. It seem like the guy was more interested in $$$ than any sort of phony ideal. Also libertarians are not anarchists or any of its variations. Libertarians have a legitimate political party that promotes small government in a time when we could use one.
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I had the same initial reaction as almost everyone else here to the hitman claims - and personally now I've thought about it, I would never get a hitman for reasons explained later.
But instead of just condemning him for it, you should at least try to see where he was coming from. If many thousands of silk road users were revealed, I guarantee there would have been at least a few deaths and many lives ruined.
For a start, any users in Singapore or Malaysia or many other East Asian countries could have been looking at the death penalty.
Then there are those with addictions to benzodiazapenes and barbituates, and possibly some other drugs, where sudden forced cold turkey will kill them. You will be reading about some of them shortly.
Then there are the many addicts to other substances who are going to accidentally OD in the near future. To be fair this is going to be less likely than normal simply because silk road (by and large) was just so damn good - more likely is the addicts will not get enough and be, er, warm turkey (is that right?)
Then of course the many many many more addicts who will just have to go cold turkey. If you were buying drugs to sustain an addiction from silk road you were almost certainly a functioning addict, something that the anti drug groups try to pretend doesn't exist. To be a functioning addict you need a reliable supply. Lose that and many of these addicts are going to lose jobs and family. There will be suicides, not to mention suicides from withdrawal, including PWS.
All those are predictable consequences of stopping major drug suppliers, and are one reason the war on drugs is simply evil. But releasing the names of users would be far far worse - especially in places like america where they drug test employees. Anyone on that list would get that at a very minimum. More likely, just fired. And that's ignoring the police investigations, where tbh at least in America they will pay lip service to respecting your rights. Albania, not so much.
Combine all that and unless you always believe killing is wrong, no matter what, there is a perfectly reasonable argument for cold blooded murder.
Even so, I wouldn't order a hitman myself and for three major reasons - the users brought this on themselves by taking the risk of signing up for silk road. This, I think, would severely shift the balance of responsiblity away from me such that I wasn't forced to make a deal with the devil. Secondly, I would have no idea where to hire a hitman and am skeptical "real" ones even exist. Thirdly, the above analysis assumes the two options are murder or nothing. In reality there were plenty of other options that could be taken and he should have tried one of them.
P.S. @ the person who thinks it's appalling to think murder is an acceptable form of justice. Of course it's appalling. But you know who's supposed to enforce justice? The government. Do you think that I can take some guy to small claims court if he sells me oregano for $200/oz? It is precisely this, being forced to take justice into your own hands, which causes the worst practical side effects of the war on drugs.
Hey the use of drugs is debatable. I mean people will always find a way to get them. Might as well get them from a source that is not violentOtherwise it defeats the purpose. No murder is not justified. It would have cost him cheaper in the end to make a deal with the guy and write it off as a cost. Instead of murdering someone.
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wow.. he's against hitmen? What a hypocrite piece of shit..
Indeed. That's assuming the government's story is on the up and up, an assumption that can no longer be made from the outset. No I was agreeing with calling those that are against using the hitman a hypocrite. I would if someone blackmailed me and I thought I would get away with it. You guys would not? Seriously The blackmail was about nothing more than MONEY. Once you hire a hitman, it's about someone's LIFE, and is considered a whole new level. It's hard not to sympathize with a man with 3 kids, do you think they deserve to see their daddy murdered just because he tried to blackmail someone? That is not DPR's responsibility but that blackmailing scumbag's. Hey we can't allow people to kill each other. That's were I draw the line. You kill someone you go to jail/go to the chair. Simple as that.
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It was only a matter of time before the FBI found out that bitcoins blockchain can be traced. This may be good news since there is nothing holding bitcoins back from becoming mainstream anymore. Meanwhile anoncoin and/or megacoin will take over the underground.
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I follow US politics as much as I can, and the republican/tea party/libertarian crowd are just too hilarious, for me it's almost unbelievable how such stupid people got into a power position, but like John Kerry said, in America you have the right to be stupid. But they're the ones that want to balance the budget. And John Kerry was the douschebag who had the nerve to declare war on syria on the president's/congress behalf.
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