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281  Other / Off-topic / Re: Lose vs Loose on: December 15, 2013, 12:53:03 PM

now that I know how many people are bothered by something as simple as your vs. you're I'm going to do it all the time.

This one bugs me. Not only do they have different meanings, they have different pronunciations. Your is one sylable, like yore, and you're is two syllables, rhymes with sewer. But the most annoying part of your-you're is that many times the sentence will have a valid but completely different meaning when the wrong word is used.

I can't argue with that. Your right. rofl

Your retarded  Grin.

What about his retarded smile? I think you forgot to complete your sentence!

It is my right to be offended at idiots.
282  Other / Off-topic / Re: Lose vs Loose on: December 14, 2013, 08:22:10 PM

now that I know how many people are bothered by something as simple as your vs. you're I'm going to do it all the time.

This one bugs me. Not only do they have different meanings, they have different pronunciations. Your is one sylable, like yore, and you're is two syllables, rhymes with sewer. But the most annoying part of your-you're is that many times the sentence will have a valid but completely different meaning when the wrong word is used.
283  Other / Off-topic / Re: Lose vs Loose on: December 14, 2013, 12:59:23 PM
Should of instead of should have grinds my gears personally.

Obviously, saying something perfectly on topic and in another language grinds your gears too!

The point I was making is one of degrees. You have to do a little translating when you read a post written by a non native English speaker. Suffer through the bad grammar because you don't know why that person writes the way they do. Everyone has something to add regardless of your desire to receive the info and it doesn't need to be in perfect form.

You could just throw up a copy/pasted google translate of the non-english post along with the original. That way people will know what you are saying, and we are much more lenient when we know you are a non-native speaker.

'Should of' is something native speakers say because they are too lazy to learn the language they speak and do not think about the words they use. The contraction "should've" ends with a sound like "of", and so the ignorant just write it that way.
284  Economy / Securities / Re: [IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - LMB Holdings on: December 13, 2013, 09:50:57 PM
I know the guys @Neo&Bee - no worries on my side...

Good to know. I still have a boatload of shares. I just adjusted my % invested in shares vs. just holding bitcoin. There are only 3 solid investments in bitcoin securities (IMO), and one of them is de-listing, the other has awful communication but still promises, and the third, Neo & Bee, is starting to mess around.

Now I am curious what you consider a solid investment besides N+B? What criterion do you apply to make your list? While I have invested in N+B, I am not sure they qualify as a "solid investment" yet, they are still in the start-up phase and have not yet paid any dividend or moved above the IPO price.
285  Other / Off-topic / Re: Lose vs Loose on: December 13, 2013, 07:19:23 PM
Now, I want you all to remember that...................................................

.....the misuse of the prepostion, especially the ending of a sentence with a preopostion is something up with which I will not put!

The above sentence is technically grammatically correct but awkward as Hell.

What is one to do?

My $.02.

Wink

Should be:  Now, I want you all to remember that the misuse of the preposition, especially the ending of a sentence with a preposition, is something I will not put up with!

(I fixed the spelling and added a comma, and fixed the ending. You can end a sentence with 'put up with' since it is acting as a verb phrase and not a preposition.)

Yeah, I do the occasional typo and sometimes overlook them. The comma was a good catch though.

I think you missed the point of the post however........................................

I was sort of poking fun at the whole thing..............................


Yeah, I understand you were trying to be funny, but it would work better if your sentence was actually structurally correct. "... is something up with which I will not put" is not just awkward, it is wrong because it separates and reorders the pieces of the idiomatic phrase "put up with" so far as to completely disconnect them.
286  Other / Off-topic / Re: Lose vs Loose on: December 13, 2013, 06:25:01 PM
Now, I want you all to remember that...................................................

.....the misuse of the prepostion, especially the ending of a sentence with a preopostion is something up with which I will not put!

The above sentence is technically grammatically correct but awkward as Hell.

What is one to do?

My $.02.

Wink

Should be:  Now, I want you all to remember that the misuse of the preposition, especially the ending of a sentence with a preposition, is something I will not put up with!

(I fixed the spelling and added a comma, and fixed the ending. You can end a sentence with 'put up with' since it is acting as a verb phrase and not a preposition.)
287  Other / Off-topic / Re: Lose vs Loose on: December 13, 2013, 06:17:30 PM

Fixed sp. (sorry, all this talk of grammar made me do it)

Those letters are next to each other, so no wonder I could make an error. Now fixed...


This is an example of how there are two ways of making spelling mistakes, mistakes that come from just not knowing the correct spelling, and mistakes that come from hitting the wrong key. I often hit keys in the wrong order. So I will hvae sentecnes wiht wrods liek htis.
288  Other / Off-topic / Re: Lose vs Loose on: December 13, 2013, 05:59:52 PM

"Capable at doing" gives me 325,000 results in Google... Can Google be actually wrong to such a degree? Really, I don't feel that I musused misused the word and preposition here (I wrote intuitively).


Fixed sp. (sorry, all this talk of grammar made me do it)

But a Google search for "capable of doing" gives 103,000,000 hits. And if you look at the links for "capable at doing", they are not very reliable sources, mostly the middle of blog posts. So this seems to be a common mistake, perhaps common enough that it is no longer a mistake and is acceptable now?
289  Other / Off-topic / Re: Lose vs Loose on: December 13, 2013, 05:32:47 PM
On the third part, I agree it should be "capable of learning".

As to me, being "capable of learning" means having the qualities or abilities needed to do something (i.e. learning a language in principle), whereas being "capable at learning" means being skilled at doing something, i.e. "doing it the right way". So when I say that I am capable of learning a foreign language, I mean that I can learn it to a certain degree. But when I say that I am capable at learning a foreign language, it means that I can master it perfectly...

I don't think you can say "capable at doing something". You can say "capable of doing something", or "good at doing something". You might also say you are "capable in a topic or field".

So these are acceptable renderings of the original sentence:
neither do I find myself specifically capable of learning foreign languages (If you view 'learning foreign languages' as an action)
neither do I find myself specifically capable in learning foreign languages (If you view 'learning foreign languages' as a field of study)
neither do I find myself specifically proficient at learning foreign languages
290  Other / Off-topic / Re: Lose vs Loose on: December 13, 2013, 03:58:41 PM
Now you have no other option left but do just that, as what you've stated means there are some. This is an Off-topic section of the forum, so you have the right to unleash yourself (and I would not mind)...

Not exactly grammatical errors, but allow me to try...  Grin

How would you know if English is your native language (is it?)? - I kind of take this to mean that you're asking him if he is sure that English is his native language. So, maybe a comma in there might help: "How would you know, if English is your native language?" though it may be more clear the other way around: "if English is your native language, how would you know?".

I don't think it difficult (English grammar at least) - I'm not sure you can omit the implicit "is" in there: "I don't think it is difficult (English grammar at least)"

neither do I find myself specifically capable at learning foreign languages - I don't know if "specifically" is the best word to use in this context; you're sort of specifying something indeed, but it kind of sounds weird to me. Also, did you mean "incapable" instead of "capable"? And "of" instead of "at"? That way, I think you're saying that you don't find yourself capable of learning foreign languages. "neither do I find myself specifically incapable of learning foreign languages"

Anyway, that's all I got. I hope someone else can help out (and probably point out my own mistakes).  Roll Eyes

The first one would be clearer if he specified what 'know' linked to, rather than leaving it open ended which causes confusion because it looks like it links to 'English is your native language' rather than 'English is hard to learn'. So a more clear way of writing it would be "How would you know English is hard to learn if English is your native language (is it)?" Or, as suggested, you could add the comma to separate the two clauses.

"I don't think it difficult" - looks fine to me. That is not the phrase structure I use, but that does not make it wrong. I find your objection unfounded.

On the third part, I agree it should be "capable of learning".
291  Economy / Economics / Re: Can Bitcoin replace the dollar? on: December 12, 2013, 08:55:54 PM
I'm gonna say no because the Dollar has uses Bitcoin can't accomplish.  Such as fast transaction from person to person in an instant, not however long the blockchain takes.  But over long distances Bitcoin steals the show IMO.

This is not an inherent property of dollar, it is made possible by a payment system. Actual processing of payments can take up to a month (if we are talking about MasterCard or Visa), if I'm not mistaken. I think this can be done for Bitcoin as well if such a need would arise (it will if Bitcoin persists). If you transfer funds from one wallet to another in Coinbase, the transaction is instant too (even from one account to another)...


I think he is referring to handing somebody some cash.

The bitcoin equivalent is using physical bitcoins, or for small amounts you can just do the transaction with 0 confirms which is pretty much instant.
292  Economy / Economics / Re: Why Bitcoin will collapse in price. on: December 12, 2013, 02:42:59 PM
Is it you Anonymint?

No. porc and I argued recently on the anonymity point.


That does not prove you are different people. I have had arguments with my sock puppet before. Usually he agrees with me, but there was one time he was just being difficult and argumentative while playing the devil's advocate.

bitcoin is a shining thing.
Let's try to understand  why people like shining objects. I think is radically a form of comunication: jewels like wampum shells, are worn so you can see it from far. If you have a commodity which is visible from far an so is possible to desire it for somebody who looks, you'are just advertising for it. Maybe your advertising works becaus you are a powerful, violent king, but maybe advertising needs no testimonial. If you adveritse for a commlodity, this commodity gets  medium of exchange value. Bitcoin is an internet based viral advertising campaign for a commodity, so it's a very shining, visible from far object. That's why (given the two other proprieties of rareness and indestructibility ) it's a good store of value.

I wouldn't actually call bitcoin is a shining thing. On the contrary, it allows you to hide your money and your identity (though your mileage may vary) from some prying eyes and ears...

"Money loves silence, and big money loves deathly silence"

You can use bitcoin to hide all or some of your money, but it is also quite easy to show off how much you have using bitcoins, just point to an address with a large balance and sign something using the private key for that address.
293  Other / Off-topic / Re: Lose vs Loose on: December 11, 2013, 02:54:31 PM
I admit I make this mistake all the time. It is very simple to understand, and it goes back to the way the words are pronounced. The difference in pronunciation is only the ending, the 's' sound vs the 'z' sound. Both words start with the 'loo' sound, so it makes sens to try to spell it 'looze', obviously that looks wrong so you change the z to an s, and you end up with 'loose' instead of 'lose', which looks like it should be pronounced like 'those' or 'hose', just don't pronounce it like 'dose' because that has the wrong vowel AND the wrong consonant.

The underlying problem is the loose correlation between spelling and pronunciation which causes words to lose their logical spelling.


Now will somebody explain why pint does not rhyme with tint, lint, mint, squint and hint, or have the same vowel sound as pin, in, spin, tin, win, bin or sin?
294  Economy / Economics / Re: What can I do with a bitcoin? on: December 11, 2013, 02:20:57 PM
Porc, you are an idiot and a troll. The point of money is that it is nothing by itself but that it can be passed on to the next person. Bitcoin is closer to the perfect money than anything we have ever used before.

We keep refuting your statements but you keep saying the same stupid stuff over and over again. We get it, you don't like bitcoin. Now go away.

I guess this is the view of a typical bitcoiner.

Well money must be a store of value. How can BTC be a predictable store of value, when its a technology that can be outcompeted by other technologies and when BTCs value itself is based on an artificial agreement, that might collapse. Today you might accept my BTC for something, but who knows about tomorrow (again tullips where also once thought after and then crashed back down to earth, which in BTC case might be 0).

I will leave now, as I have expressed my viewpoint. I dont want to ruin the party. Have fun.

I guess this is the view of a typical gold hoarder.

Well, money must be a store of value. How can gold be a predictable store of value, when it's a technology that can be outcompeted by other technologies and when gold's value itself is based on an artificial agreement, that might collapse. Today you might accept my gold for something, but who knows about tomorrow (historically, in times of strife gold is pretty useless).

I will leave now, as I have expressed my viewpoint.
295  Economy / Economics / Re: Can Bitcoin replace the dollar? on: December 11, 2013, 02:13:05 PM

No its not circular reasoning. Remember: Intrinsic value is one of the essential properties of money, that allows it to fulfill its functions. Without intrinsic value, gold could not fulfill its monetary role.

And here we have the crux of the issue. You keep saying this, but empirically it has been shown to be false. Therefore we reject your arguments. Money does not require an intrinsic value. Bitcoin, and also Ripple, and even all the credit based fiat currencies of the world used today, show that this is just not true. Money is an idea, it can exist without a physical object helping the simple minded understand it.
296  Economy / Economics / Re: What can I do with a bitcoin? on: December 10, 2013, 09:30:42 PM
Porc, you are an idiot and a troll. The point of money is that it is nothing by itself but that it can be passed on to the next person. Bitcoin is closer to the perfect money than anything we have ever used before.

We keep refuting your statements but you keep saying the same stupid stuff over and over again. We get it, you don't like bitcoin. Now go away.
297  Economy / Securities / Re: Investing options on: December 10, 2013, 08:33:15 PM
Or you could invest in bitbet, it is not quite the same as the others but it could still be a good investment.
298  Economy / Economics / Re: What can I do with a bitcoin? on: December 10, 2013, 08:08:37 PM
What can I do with a dollar? Why would anybody trade anything for my dollar? If I hold onto a dollar, it will steadily go down in value, why would anybody want one of those? Since nobody wants my dollar, surely it is worthless?
299  Economy / Economics / Re: Can Bitcoin replace the dollar? on: December 10, 2013, 03:42:57 PM
porc is the most long-winded troll I have ever seen.

Bitcoins will never completely replace all the other forms of money, but they don't have to. 1) Bitcoins are great for some things, not as great for others. I see bitcoins taking over the role of gold and USD as a reserve currency. 2) Bitcoins are also great for making international payments and online payments.

3) People keep saying that taxes somehow make everybody accept fiat dollars, that is silly. You could do all your business in bitcoins and the at the end of the year just trade the little bit you need into fiat to pay taxes. If bitcoin catches on, the government could even add a way to pay taxes using bitcoins; the government IT people are notoriously incompetent, but making a bitcoin payment processor can't be much harder than the system they currently use to collect tax payments electronically. The US government already holds hundreds of thousands of bitcoins, they might decide they like them.

4) While the price of bitcoins is currently so volatile that pricing things using them is hard, that will change over time. Already there are a handful of people who earn income in bitcoins, and they say it really changes the way you view prices. As more people switch to the mindset of pricing things in bitcoins, and as large contracts are made in bitcoins, and as the financial sector finally build strong mechanisms for options and futures on the bitcoin price, the price will stabilize and bitcoins will become more readily usable for pricing in contracts.

1) For what things are Bitcoin great? 1 a:What can I do with a Bitcoin?

1 b:How can something of value (gold) be replaced by something of no value (bitcoin)?

2) To what extend are they great to make international payments? If I pay with nothing (bitcoin) for something (goods), how is that a great payment method?

3) Straw man. Government forces us to use dollars, they make any other media of exchange use either unpractical or if turns out to be practical despite their laws (Liberty Gold), they make it illegal. Its not about only paying taxes in it. Its that they enforce the media of exchange monopoly of the dollar. They force us to accept dollars for payment fo debts as well.

4) Why should the price of something that has no inherent value whatsoever stabilize? After all I cant find a fair market value, as it has no value to begin with.

5: Simple Questions. Instead of answering especially question 1) you call me a troll.

Don't worry, we can keep feeding the troll indefinitely. I think we have already explained this to you, but we can keep trying until you understand.

1 a: You can send a bitcoin to anybody in the world. You can use a bitcoin transaction as a timestamp. You can use bitcoins as a random number generator. Most importantly, you can trade a bitcoin for something with the value of a bitcoin. You do not seem to understand how they have value, but look around and you will see there are people who want bitcoins. They have value because people want them. As long as there are still people who want to get bitcoins the bitcoins will still have value.

1 b: Bitcoins will never replace the function of gold as a great conductor, or as a component of jewelry. But they can take the function gold has as a store of wealth. The price of gold reflects the value assigned to it as people want it, not to have it but so that they can trade it for something else later. But if you hold physical gold you have to store it somewhere, and it is heavy and hard to transfer, and it is hard to verify it is real. Instead people will realize that they can hold bitcoins instead, someday when they want something useful they will trade their bitcoins to somebody else and get something useful in return. And bitcoins can be stored on a slip of paper, or in the electronic cloud, or in your head, or scratched on a sheet of gold and buried in a stone box, even in multiple places at once. Bitcoins are easy to transfer when you want to sell them, and they are easy to verify they are real.

2: They are a great international payment because they ignore national boundaries and geographical distances. Clearly there are people who are willing to trade things for bitcoins, so your statements are bogus. Let's say you want me to do something. You do not even need to know where I am, just a bitcoin address. So you trade something of value (however you want to define that) to somebody for a bitcoin, you send that bitcoin to me, and I do the thing you want. See, wasn't that easy? And if I decide I do not want to hold this bit of nothing, I can find somebody near me to trade for something of real value. So overall, you ended up with a little less of whatever it is you value, I did the thing you want and end up with something I value. All with no regard to national boundaries.

3: Yeah, keep whacking that straw man you made. The government says you have to accept dollars, and you have to pay dollars for taxes. But that does not mean you cannot also accept bitcoins. If all your customers are holding bitcoins, would you refuse bitcoin payment? No, sellers are trying to get their customers money, and so they try to make it as easy as possible for people to give them money. Once bitcoin catches on, everybody will make sure they are set up to accept it.

4: The price will stabilize because otherwise the speculators make money doing nothing. As more and more money goes into bitcoin speculation, it will force the price into a narrow range. It will take more and more money to affect the price, and so price movements will be smaller. That is just the way markets work.

5: You are a troll because you keep asking the same questions and ignoring the answers you get. You are a troll because you ask questions not to get the answer, but to get other people worked up. That is pretty much the definition of trolling.
300  Economy / Economics / Re: Can Bitcoin replace the dollar? on: December 09, 2013, 06:28:05 PM
porc is the most long-winded troll I have ever seen.

Bitcoins will never completely replace all the other forms of money, but they don't have to. Bitcoins are great for some things, not as great for others. I see bitcoins taking over the role of gold and USD as a reserve currency. Bitcoins are also great for making international payments and online payments.

People keep saying that taxes somehow make everybody accept fiat dollars, that is silly. You could do all your business in bitcoins and the at the end of the year just trade the little bit you need into fiat to pay taxes. If bitcoin catches on, the government could even add a way to pay taxes using bitcoins; the government IT people are notoriously incompetent, but making a bitcoin payment processor can't be much harder than the system they currently use to collect tax payments electronically. The US government already holds hundreds of thousands of bitcoins, they might decide they like them.

While the price of bitcoins is currently so volatile that pricing things using them is hard, that will change over time. Already there are a handful of people who earn income in bitcoins, and they say it really changes the way you view prices. As more people switch to the mindset of pricing things in bitcoins, and as large contracts are made in bitcoins, and as the financial sector finally build strong mechanisms for options and futures on the bitcoin price, the price will stabilize and bitcoins will become more readily usable for pricing in contracts.
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