so there's no excuse for that
OTOH it's not like the feed operators owe anyone jackshit. True. It looks like the "winkdex" might be the first feed-as-a-service, but I doubt MP would care. Anyway, options are gone. No other reliable leveraged BTC/USD instrument seems to exist. MP failed us? Could you trade X.EUR with leverage? |
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Could we update the thread title to remove the [IPVO]?
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Who do we contact to transfer shares in the case of a sale?
Edit: Has anybody sold any of the shares since BTCT went down? I am thinking of selling mine off, and I am not sure what to use as a starting price, 0.0001?
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A purely peer-to-peer version of electronic cash would allow online
payments to be sent directly from one party to another without going through a
financial institution. How is that a stupid comment? Is that a quote from the original Bitcoin Whitepaper? That is the very first thing I heard about bitcoin. It's stupid enough for me. I am not sure I understand ... are you saying this statement is stupid and or incorrect? |
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A purely peer-to-peer version of electronic cash would allow online
payments to be sent directly from one party to another without going through a
financial institution. How is that a stupid comment? Is that a quote from the original Bitcoin Whitepaper? |
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From http://trilema.com/2014/mpoe-february-2014-statement/We have a major problem with data feeds. On one hand, feed providers do not generally have either the ethical maturity to understand the responsibility curating their feeds entails. On the other hand, feed providers do not have the intellectual complexity or professional experience to be able to actually curate their feeds. So does Mr. MP, the "god" himself also not have the "intellectual complexity or professional experience to be able to actually curate" his own darn feed? To have meaningful data, the feeds must originate at the source of the data. They have to come from the bitcoin exchanges. You can make whatever aggregated bitcoin price you want, but if the input data is not reliable, then the output is meaningless. |
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I would be willing to bet asicminer pays more in dividends than mpex does this year.
Go set it up on BitBet. Where exactly has Satoshi Dice and Asicminer gone?
Satoshi Dice has delisted and thus has a market cap of 0. Asicminer is trading at about 2-300k BTC, which is nowhere near in range. Thus, gone, in the context we were discussing, which was MPEx' oppressively colossal 8-900k BTC weight. You are implying Satoshi Dice was/is somehow worthless? Although my knowledge is limited weren't the shares bought out at a premium not delisted. Your own post https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=465334.0 mentions the venture as a successful one. As far ASICminer vs MPEx the valuations seem in line if one believes that MPEx is the only trustworthy BTC Stock exchange vs ASICminer being one of many ASIC manufacturerers. Even if not most successful at least trustworthy up till now so why the dislike of them? There is a difference between "worthless" and "having no published market cap since it is not listed to trade anywhere". Since SatoshiDice is no longer publicly traded, it obviously cannot be one of the highest valued publicly traded companies anymore. Glad you agree that satoshi dice doesn't have a market cap of 0. Unless I misread you. +1 on the bet idea. What are the other terms? Although if jimmothy thinks mpex will collapse wouldn't he think bitbet would too? So betting on bitbet about bitbet collapsing seems ... BitBet and MPEx are separate, but if you know a better bitcoin betting platform then go ahead and set the bet up there. |
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Yawn.
You may take solace in the knowledge that among people actually doing finance of any kind, it is pretenders such as yourself and MP who are laughingstocks.
Link me. The silence is deafening. |
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I would be willing to bet asicminer pays more in dividends than mpex does this year.
Go set it up on BitBet. Where exactly has Satoshi Dice and Asicminer gone?
Satoshi Dice has delisted and thus has a market cap of 0. Asicminer is trading at about 2-300k BTC, which is nowhere near in range. Thus, gone, in the context we were discussing, which was MPEx' oppressively colossal 8-900k BTC weight. You are implying Satoshi Dice was/is somehow worthless? Although my knowledge is limited weren't the shares bought out at a premium not delisted. Your own post https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=465334.0 mentions the venture as a successful one. As far ASICminer vs MPEx the valuations seem in line if one believes that MPEx is the only trustworthy BTC Stock exchange vs ASICminer being one of many ASIC manufacturerers. Even if not most successful at least trustworthy up till now so why the dislike of them? There is a difference between "worthless" and "having no published market cap since it is not listed to trade anywhere". Since SatoshiDice is no longer publicly traded, it obviously cannot be one of the highest valued publicly traded companies anymore. |
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Please PM me for more info, only if your willing to sign a confidentiality agreement with your true identity.
Do not try to pick me for information, this is for serious parties only, and info about the project will come after (and only after) the agreement is signed, and legally binding.
I am not sure If I can take you serious if you don't know the difference between "your" and "you're". |
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Any updates?
Any word on listing on an exchange?
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So did mpex just remove the sole source of revenue other than registration fees?
For a second I thought this scam might last a few more months.
There is still the trading fee. Ah, so this million btc valued company will now be earning a staggering few hundred satoshis a year(assuming there is still anyone using it). So with options removed is mpex now a full blown ponzi? I guess it is still debatable while the futures market exists even though nobody uses it. I doubt it will be removed only because then mpex would literally fit the textbook definition of a ponzi scheme instead of hiding behind a disguise. Yes, if you go by just the amount of trading done right now, and a PE of 10 you would get a price of 0.0000086 (compare to the current price of about 0.00086, that is a difference of two orders of magnitude). But the system which MPEx has set up is secure and useful, so it is reasonable to expect the amount of trade to go up in the future. Edit: My calculation: 36010 (monthly volume) * 12 (months) * 0.002 (trading fee) * 10 (PE estimate) / 1 billion shares |
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So did mpex just remove the sole source of revenue other than registration fees?
For a second I thought this scam might last a few more months.
There is still the trading fee. |
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I don't know the dumbest comment about Bitcoin I've ever read. There were some great ones from naysayers in late 2011, and some of the "pirate@40 is legit because ..." comments cracked me up. Here's a star from yesterday though. Wait, you bash Bitcoin, but you have a bitcoin tip address in your signature.
So what does having a Bitcoin tip address in my signature have to with anything? I can have " I love Putin" Sign on my car, does that mean I love Putin? No, it could be sarcasm, someone else could of put it there and I haven't bothered to take it off, or better yet I realized Putin's flaws and decided to turn against him. There could be multitude of reasons as to why I have a bitcoin tip address in my signature. I used to have a "Republicans for Voldemort" bumper sticker on the back of my car, even though I am not a Republican ... |
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Out of curiosity, how do you reliably measure the amount of bitcoin exchange going on OTC?
Obviously you don't reliably measure it, you're stuck guessing. Otherwise you'd have exact %s. Depending on how well connected you are that guess is going to be more or less accurate (which is why the guesses of the unconnected are so way off the mark). OK, that is what I thought. I wonder how much of the volume reported at exchanges is real, and how much is just them trading with themselves to make themselves look more respectable? With all the shit that went down from MtGox, can we really trust the numbers they self-reported? |
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hell, i'm still in the denial phase 'what do you mean you sell bitcoins on an exchange???!!!'
decentralise. do it now.
+1+1+1+1+1 Actually the majority of Bitcoin trade has happened OTC since forever. In 2011, in 2012, in 2013. That a majority of Bitcoin's periphery (ie, people interested ideally but not invested significantly) don't know about this is neither surprising nor terribly relevant. Out of curiosity, how do you reliably measure the amount of bitcoin exchange going on OTC? you add it up on your fingers and toes and collate 'the majority', i presume, on account of it being 'obvious' or some other similar mathematical reasoning.  Sorry if it does not seem so obvious to everybody ... what I am asking is if there is a published amount of bitcoins traded OTC, and where is that data published? |
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hell, i'm still in the denial phase 'what do you mean you sell bitcoins on an exchange???!!!'
decentralise. do it now.
+1+1+1+1+1 Actually the majority of Bitcoin trade has happened OTC since forever. In 2011, in 2012, in 2013. That a majority of Bitcoin's periphery (ie, people interested ideally but not invested significantly) don't know about this is neither surprising nor terribly relevant. Out of curiosity, how do you reliably measure the amount of bitcoin exchange going on OTC? |
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Proving that God of the Bible exists wouldn't falsify the assumption of a positivistic Universe specifically because God's omnipotence would preclude any paradoxes that arise (e.g. an omnipotent, monotheistic god would be able to create simultaneous states such as a Universe that is both positivistic and non-positivistic).
And, the point I've been trying to make this entire thread is that the scientific method does just that -- it carries purely philosophical and unfalsifiable (at least empirically) assumptions. But yet, while its assumptions are philosophical and non-empirical, it cannot allow philosophical or other purely abstract ideas or proofs to be incorporated into any theory it produces. For example, a logical tautology or mathematical proof indicating that a positistic universe is impossible could not be used to explain a set of evidence and create a theory about it, even though it's a simple matter of deductive reasoning. Instead, science forces us to use only empirical evidence in building a theory, and only through replicable instances (but NOT logical or mathematical proofs) can these theories be strengthened.
Sure, because that's how the Universe works. But the path you're trying take isn't topic related, the Earth still is billions of years old, a global flood never happened and humans and dinosaurs never coexisted... Technically, Birds are classified in the clade of Dinosaurs. So dinosaurs and humans have coexisted for the entire history of humans. |
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And God said, "Let there be letters like E, I, G, G, N and R." (2 Gs because He is Who He Is)
And Man said, "But, don't put them in a certain order, Jehovah."
And another Man said, "You will rot in hell for using God's name in vane."
Then Man said, "But it's in the Bible."
Whereupon another men chimed in, "I will seek you out and kill you and your family for..."
And Man said, "Chill, dude! We weren't talking about those radical fuckers that live in caves."
Whereupon another group of men chimed it, "See those two towers over there? One day they'll fall."
Whereupon..., "Dude, that was an inside government job."
Whereupon..., "Can't we all just get along?"
Whereupon..., "Go fuck yourself, nigger!"
And the Devil said, "Nice place you got there, Jehovah Boy!"
And God said, "Go fuck yourself!"
Oh, look, the guy with the most posts on Bitcointalk came here to shit on the thread by adding a post which does not even relate to the topic. Suprise suprise! |
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It is (supposedly) most likely at XXX, since the client will use old coins/transactions when sending 5 BTC from XXX to YYY.
Is this true? Do older coins get used first prior to newly deposited ones? Why don't you go look in the source code and find out? Edit: I don't mean to sound rude, I am trying to look at the source code myself now. Anybody know where this logic is held? |
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