they are obligated to give full btc refunds because it was specifically stated in the ToS and also confirmed in an email to support staff.
in nearly every US state, the remedy for a violation of a contractual duty to deliver a fungible good is the market value of that good at breach, and unless the parties agree and execute otherwise, that remedy is in legal tender. If HF_CL fails at calming down the community newly created accounts of people knowing the law better than our lawyers arrive to the rescue.
Posted from asd, ref#NN3YE2pVR8l1X4iz
Hi cedivad! It turns out that Clobered09 and I did know better than your crummy, impotent, and now long-gone lawyer. Don't try to argue with me about legal stuff, because you will lose no matter how much money you waste on attorney fees.  I'd like to thank you, gmaxwell, Phinneaus, and everyone else who loudly and publicly eschewed the opportunity to cash 105% refund checks in the lulzy, but futile, hope a judge would order HF to give you all 600% windfalls (plus court costs). You guys really set a great example and provided some stellar advice! Every remaining penny of those refused refund checks is now eligible to help pay for my order's unfulfilled MPP. Isn't that super?  |
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HashFast Technologies is happy to announce our agreement with Bitcoin ASIC Hosting's large hosting clients to convert their order into chips rather than systems. This allows us to deliver their product immediately and provides much higher hashing capacity than originally purchased. This frees up our order chain and will help us service the rest of our customers much sooner.
In addition, long-time Bitcointalk.org forum member Dalkore with BitcoinASICHosting.com has recently provided outside input on improving our external communications. This is to address outstanding community issues and provide outside testing and support documentation for the new Yoli Board using our Golden Nonce Chip (TM).
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People still buy Avalon Gen2 and will buy Gen3 chip based products I wish they wouldn't but they do. Same for for HF Chips. I wish fabricators didn't use chips from disreputable businesses but you know what there are plenty of examples of this and some better designs do come out the woodwork.
Point is where do draw a line?
I wish the team at Black Miner all the best but there is a lot of baggage with HF I hope you can weather that.
No one is blacklisting those who used Avalon Gen2 or will use Gen 3 chips or those who used BFL chips to make chilies etc. of even the disputed A1 Chips coming out of Innosillicon. I don't see the value in going after Black Miner unless there is a direct link to HF as subsidiary or something like that.
Bicknellski, You have been begging HashFast for free chips via PM and email since our GN1 was announced. I get it, you appoint yourself head of some collective and then want free stuff on behalf of the collective. Very clever. You didn't get any free stuff, so now you are angry at us for not helping you achieve your collectivist goals. If you want Golden Nonce ASICs, buy a developer kit like everyone else. |
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If this operation can't mine it is as good as dead.
I think ditching the Clownterra trash and selling 700+ GH/s HashFast boards is a good, perhaps even great, alternative. I will never buy CT stuff again (cuz Ravi wont let me) but I would never buy your crap ever. I would buy BFL and send Pirate BTC before sending you BTC. You are a new low in this world full of scammers. Fine, next time order from Black Arrow, AMT, or Bitmine.ch. I heard they will ship to customers Soon TM (perhaps even In Two Weeks).  |
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Gays always be gays.
What an asshole.
They should paint your trust score in pink.
-7266
Right. Because homophobia is so cool.  IKR? People like E2M are who Leah McGrath Goodman was talking about when she said “I have learned this about the fanatical Bitcoiners: they will see this all in a different light once they reach puberty.” |
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It's not the case. As you can see in the above pictures they already received the chips. The only ones that are getting screwed are regular customers. Big company customers get all the goodies.
Sure they received the chips. How many? 16? 32? 64? They will take pre-order now for 2048 or more chips. Good luck in getting them on time from HashFast, counting their history. HashFast has a great record for taping-out the chip and getting wafers. It was the substrate and board that slowed us down. Black Miner already has chips; your FUD is irrelevant. |
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Oh boy, where do I preorder?!
Seriously, I have an interest in the different ASICs available but I guess I can feel good about crossing HashFast off of my list.
You may order a Golden Nonce ASIC board from HashFast, BlackMiner, PepperMining, or Cognitive. Plus at least one other vendor, to be announced...  The cool kids are all starting to use HashFast chips, because they're the fastest! |
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If this operation can't mine it is as good as dead.
I think ditching the Clownterra trash and selling 700+ GH/s HashFast boards is a good, perhaps even great, alternative. |
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I'm amused at CL giving me advices on my taxes.
Posted from Bitcointa.lk - #2o2jeYEKF6Yl0rde
Likewise, we're amused at DC & Co. giving us advice on our ToS!  Wich version? Seriously, you´re the most unprofessional company i´ve ever seen in my life. In EU you would be prosecuted a long time ago. Yawn, wake up me when InterPol arrests Swiss person Giorgio M of Bitmine.ch for the crime of being late with an ASIC. Oh wait, an ASIC being late is perfectly normal, predictable, and legal...  |
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shame the hashfast slime is spreading to honest builders
call up friedcat or someone else not the scum of the mining world
Friedcat, bless his heart, doesn't have an ASIC that does ~750GH/s per chip. I notice you didn't complain when the chili used BFL chips. If you could limit your HashFast Derangement Syndrome to the proper hate/rage threads, that'd be great... |
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I'm amused at CL giving me advices on my taxes.
Posted from Bitcointa.lk - #2o2jeYEKF6Yl0rde
Likewise, we're amused at DC & Co. giving us advice on our ToS! |
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Congratulations to Black Miner for shipping systems with HashFast's Golden Nonce ASIC - the fastest Bitcoin mining chip in the world! It's funny to see the HashFast Derangement Clowns here. Good old cedivad and solarsilver, what would we do without their special kind of crazy? Notice how they don't bother AMT, Blackarrow, Bitmine, or other companies who took preorder money and have shipped little to nothing. Their selective outrage is only for us! Dear Hashfast_CL, you take special place in my selective outrage. For 6 weeks now you are sitting on pre-orders and you are not shipping out anything of what was paid in September 2013. Please cough up the excuse of the day, just for the amusement of the punters and see if you can any more preorders of your vapourware? Why not take your Scam Accusation to the appropriate subforum and leave Black Miner out of it? You didn't order from Black Miner, so why bother them? Bringing your off-topic rage into their thread is kind of...deranged.  |
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Has your lawyer mentioned how much tax you would have to pay on such a windfall? Actually nothing because in some countries there is no Capital Gains tax Now, how about just refunding as Hashfast in the first place and let us worry about any taxes? Italy is not "some country" and has 20%+ capital gains tax. Plus possibly more for windfalls like the one cedivad is anticipating. |
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Congratulations to Black Miner for shipping systems with HashFast's Golden Nonce ASIC - the fastest Bitcoin mining chip in the world! It's funny to see the HashFast Derangement Clowns here. Good old cedivad and solarsilver, what would we do without their special kind of crazy? Notice how they don't bother AMT, Blackarrow, Bitmine, or other companies who took preorder money and have shipped little to nothing. Their selective outrage is only for us! |
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Why are you always ignoring the Q regarding shipping ETA
I don't work in the shipping or customer service dept. If you have any questions about the hardware or mining, I will be happy to answer them! lol, then close your acc and stop wasting our time Please stay on topic or leave the thread. |
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Why are you always ignoring the Q regarding shipping ETA
I don't work in the shipping or customer service dept. If you have any questions about the hardware or mining, I will be happy to answer them! |
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HashFast has been selling chips for weeks, it's right on the webpage and very easy to find: You are right. I should have said "i had no idea that HF was actually selling chips". Only because you list something on your website it doesn't mean that you are actually selling it. You are selling the ASIC and the IP for the board, and yet your previous customers are getting nothing at all. I'm quite sure that they would have been happy to have the ASIC and the IP of the board as well instead of void promises as usual. Repost #5:Not many customers took advantage of the full refund provision, but some did, and they have been paid (except for those windfall-seekers who returned the check and now tell lies about how HashFast sent them nothing). I received nothing, good luck with proving the opposite. Anyway... The question is still why the hell your customers didn't received their machines if you claim to have build them? Are they "windfall-seekers" customers that are lying about not having received the hardware, since that you sent it? The same way you didn't send me a refund check? Posted from Bitcointa.lk - #tUanwDjEb5Punsr8Nice try cedivad. We all know that when you say HashFast hasn't sent you a " refund" what you really mean is HashFast hasn't sent you a windfall. OTOH, some of our reasonable customers cashed their refund checks a long time ago. Has your lawyer mentioned how much tax you would have to pay on such a windfall? |
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You opened my eyes. I had no idea HF was selling chips...
With gateway behind the website...
Posted from Bitcointa.lk - #ujuidtuy6GAAFym6
HashFast has been selling chips for weeks, it's right on the webpage and very easy to find: http://hashfast.com/shop/chipsales/I think it's awesome gateway and his pals at peppermining are using HashFast's chip and can't wait to see if they come up with something even faster than the ~750GH/s EVO. In the race to the world's first 1TH/sec board, it's HashFast's reference design vs. MrTeal's Habanero! *pops more corn* |
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Repost #3:Not many customers took advantage of the full refund provision, but some did, and they have been paid (except for those windfall-seekers who returned the check and now tell lies about how HashFast sent them nothing). I received nothing, good luck with proving the opposite. Anyway... The question is still why the hell your customers didn't received their machines if you claim to have build them? Are they "windfall-seekers" customers that are lying about not having received the hardware, since that you sent it? The same way you didn't send me a refund check? Posted from Bitcointa.lk - #8pXCtuB5MzxL9rD0 Hi cedivad, The windfall-seekers are the very few people demanding a ~600% return on ~$100 BTC they spent a long time ago, to buy risky ASIC pre-orders. The vast majority of HashFast customers are far more reasonable, and have every right to be antsy and impatient w/r/t shipment of their equipment. Because there are so many moving parts in our supply chain, making a firm promise for a delivery date isn't going to happen (we've starred in that movie before, and it got terrible reviews). All I can do at this point is assure everyone we are not a fly-by-night operation and are doing our very best to deliver ASAP. That's not good enough for the haters suffering from HashFast Derangement Syndrome, but nothing ever is.  |
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MPP is coming SoonTM.
First see, then believe You have not shipped Upgrade kits or Sierra's too, so why would we believe you? Sit tight and be patient. Great things come to those who wait! Are you seriously going taunt us and laugh in our face? The MPP should have shipped out the 1st of Feb. The Upgrade kits should have shipped in December. As should the Sierras. And the BBJets were also 2 months late the only thing to come to those who wait is an increase in diffulty HashFast is working as hard as possible to build and deliver upgrade kits and MPP as fast as possible. Our engineers and production staff work around the clock. The idea we're resting on our laurels, or mining with customer equipment, or whatever the latest baseless FUD rumor (tropical island/hammock/mai tai) the forum dreams up, is ridiculous. The HashFast Derangement Syndrome, where the haters spew endless negativity no matter what we do, is getting old. |
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