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61  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Mining Ergo and Ravencoin for 2024 on: January 08, 2023, 10:36:46 AM
Which coin would you rather hold for 2024? Between Ergo, Flux and Ravencoin or all three? Which one do you think it has the potential to increase more in value at that time?
I do still remember mining before eth came out, and 2015 bear market mining with cgminer and almost every day pop up altcoin mineable, but only last couple days and turn out not profitable, even some new algos become hot coin only few weeks and die, its hard times but its fun, this forum fill up with exciting guys, now todays like ghost town, i wont be sire with raven, ergo, flux many these fill up by fpga and flooded gpu miner from eth.

ghost town needs scavengers. if you know you know hehehe
62  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Fennec is Now GPU Mineable - Updates, Roadmap, Specs, and Revisions on: January 08, 2023, 10:35:52 AM
how about PUMPanomics? hehe
63  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: What are your plans for the coming year? on: January 08, 2023, 10:32:02 AM
There are regions in Russia with a price of 0.01-0.02 USD/EUR/kW, such as the Irkutsk region. In large-scale production, electricity prices are cheaper due to large consumption. Prices for citizens are regulated by the regulations of the energy commission in each region. And the price does not depend on the consumption of 100 kilowatts or 15,000 kilowatts. The problem of many villages in Russia is that there are very old transformers and if the miners turn on their mining farm, then the voltage in the electrical network drops. Residents are complaining, power engineers are starting to look for miners. Smiley

But in these cases, have the authorities shut down the miners? Are there fines or worse things going on?

What is the possibility that a benefactor miner wants to improve the locality's network? It's possible?
In regions with cheap electricity, villages are usually built to rent out to miners.
If the power engineers come with the police, they can confiscate the equipment. Then, through the court, the power engineers can force the miner to pay at the commercial rate.
If you are talking about replacing transformers and electrical wires in the whole village, then it is very expensive. This will require coordination with energy organizations, fire departments, and will take a lot of time, but you will still have certain consumption limits. It is not profitable.

LOL, residents complaining is the source of the problem.

it is the voltage drop where lights flicker and dims and motors run weird since the ideal running voltage is too low.

miners should redistribute miners according to distribution transformers, if voltage start to drop to 200-205v in transformer A for homes number 1-10 then proceed to transformer B for homes 11-20 for expansion, or let the power company install a transformer if you can but that will probably get their attention to the mining operation.
64  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: new ltc/doge scrypt hashblade on: December 26, 2022, 07:07:18 AM
150w? what is it a light bulb? LOL.

the reason usb type ASICs were loooong gone because in the end the more power you consume the more hashrate you produce (assuming the silicon tech comparison is the same or just one generation away.)
65  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Got a bunch of old HDD from Burst mining days… need them destroyed. on: December 13, 2022, 01:41:13 PM
open the lid and pour acid.

wear protective equipment, maybe leave the acid there? put the lid back on.

some of my rigs are on 80gb HDD and now 500gb are worthless LOL
66  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: So much for PoS from PoW for ETH on: December 13, 2022, 12:51:52 AM
Worst case scenario if the water is warm just 30 degrees max performance, your electric heater will not use 3000w of heating power, just 1000w because at low settings the water is already 40 degrees. That's 2000w savings.

It really can make it easier to reduce water heater consumption. But even so, water will hardly come out of close to the miners at 40 degrees, unless the tubes pass really close to the chips.



Following our conversation about plants, I found this news very interesting. Where in the Netherlands a tulip producer in partnership with a bitcoin miner, the greenhouses are heated:
https://www.euronews.com/green/2022/12/12/a-bitcoin-miner-and-tulip-grower-team-up-to-reduce-costs

Wow and the news is just December 12, very fresh.

I guess my water heater theories will remain theories without application/experimentation and computation. Letting it pass directly at chips is so much trouble, cost, and hassle, it was never an option.

At best, savings for bath heater, you still want to install electric heater either way because if you temporarily lost internet then you freeze in the shower LOL, things happen.
67  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: So much for PoS from PoW for ETH on: December 12, 2022, 04:00:42 PM
60 degrees?, do you use that hot water alone or mix it with cold? 50 degrees is already hot, for me around 40 degrees is ideal, around body temp.

Anyway, a typical shower heater is around 6000w, maybe miners that pulls at least double like12000w can deliver that heat, it is not efficient(heating-wise) but heat is just a by product, a farm with at least 70-100 cards might do it. Remember the solar solution are just tubes, and it can get as hot as a roof top in a mining room, sometimes it is even hotter than roof tops, also mining rooms deliver near constant heat unlike roof tops.

Size do matter as a storage, that's what water boiler tanks used to do, store hot water before the electric shower heater became the new standard.

Yes, 60 degrees in the tank or at the water heater outlet. Because then the water will run through some more tubes that will cool the water. When you get to the shower, the water should be around 40 degrees.

I am not questioning the power of the miners, capable of heating water, what I am saying is that in order to heat the water effectively, the water had to pass very close to the chips. That's where the heat is. If they pass 20 or 30 centimeters away, they will only catch the air emitted by the miner, who will walk at around 40 degrees. Which will be insufficient to heat water effectively.

Bigger tubes then let the water rotate through the piping that would reduce the temp(60-40), then those pipes will eventually heat up and then they won't absorb much of the heat before bathing, those pipes should be plastic(not a very good conductor of heat) but still the pipes beside the miners are metal.

Worst case scenario if the water is warm just 30 degrees max performance, your electric heater will not use 3000w of heating power, just 1000w because at low settings the water is already 40 degrees. That's 2000w savings.
68  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: So much for PoS from PoW for ETH on: December 12, 2022, 03:39:15 AM
Change parameters, 2 or 3 inch pipe and reduce flow rate. This will make more storage(pipe size), and the flow rate will make the water more hot, reduce the pipe at the exit to maybe 1/4 inch and use a smaller pump.

Maybe when the mining racks are placed besides the tubes then it will make the pipes hotter.

Now, you said it will generate lower heat than most heater, maybe not hot enough to kill plants if you go with the grow lights/indoor garden application.

Heating water is one thing, heating the environment is another.

It is not the size of the tubes or their length that will make the difference. It may help to raise the temperature a bit, but you need to receive more than 60 degrees of temperature to get hot water for a bath. Unless it's all next to each other. Even so, the cold water entering the plumbing would not heat up enough to be useful in a bath.

I don't know if you know, but for example, the evacuated tube solar collectors, used to heat water using the energy of the sun, need to work almost close to 100 degrees, to be able to heat the water that passes through the pipe so that it stays with a few 60 degrees.


Already heating the environment is all easier. Tropic plants live in temperatures around 30~40 degrees, this is the normal temperature generated by miners. You just have to wait to heat the space to that temperature, which it will naturally maintain.

60 degrees?, do you use that hot water alone or mix it with cold? 50 degrees is already hot, for me around 40 degrees is ideal, around body temp.

Anyway, a typical shower heater is around 6000w, maybe miners that pulls at least double like12000w can deliver that heat, it is not efficient(heating-wise) but heat is just a by product, a farm with at least 70-100 cards might do it. Remember the solar solution are just tubes, and it can get as hot as a roof top in a mining room, sometimes it is even hotter than roof tops, also mining rooms deliver near constant heat unlike roof tops.

Size do matter as a storage, that's what water boiler tanks used to do, store hot water before the electric shower heater became the new standard.
69  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: So much for PoS from PoW for ETH on: December 11, 2022, 01:22:17 PM
You both lack imagination LOL,

Pick a wall

Take a 1inch lead pipe make, a "U" where you reach the otherside of the wall and the return to the other side, then a "U" again...left-right-right-left.. Until the top to bottom of the wall is filled with lead pipe.(or any metal pipe, copper if you can).

Then make a loop with water like a car radiator but here the radiator absorbs heat from the room, more like a huge heatsink.

If you touch a cement wall of a mining room it is uncomfortably warm, that is what those metal pipes are going to absorb, law of thermodynamics will make the heat transfer more from the environment to the pipe because the pipe is colder and the water inside transports heat to the other side of the wall where the heat is needed, or we can also say the colder room transfers cold thru the metal pipes to the hotter room.

But do you think that the heat generated will be enough to heat water? If the water is still, yes, but if it is flowing, no.
Don't forget that the miners' 60 degrees temperature is next to the chips and not in the surrounding air. Each miner should release about 30~40 degrees into the air. Therefore, unless the tubes pass next to the chips, the generated air will hardly be enough to significantly heat water. Water can be warm, but not hot for a good bath.


EDIT:
Actually a car radiator has the same method, but the water pipes pass right next to the engine, which is working at more than 80 degrees.


EDIT 2:
Take, for example, the water heater for the bath. It has to be heated to 40~50 degrees, so that when you get to the shower, you have the ideal temperature for a good shower. And we are talking about direct flame in the tube. If the air in the room is at that temperature, it hardly heats water.

Change parameters, 2 or 3 inch pipe and reduce flow rate. This will make more storage(pipe size), and the flow rate will make the water more hot, reduce the pipe at the exit to maybe 1/4 inch and use a smaller pump.

Maybe when the mining racks are placed besides the tubes then it will make the pipes hotter.

Now, you said it will generate lower heat than most heater, maybe not hot enough to kill plants if you go with the grow lights/indoor garden application.

70  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: So much for PoS from PoW for ETH on: December 11, 2022, 10:24:28 AM
In fact, there are already a lot of these solutions and I saw the first working projects more than 5 years ago. I think it's easy to find on the internet. The amount of heat generated depends on the amount of mining equipment, but this project requires additional costs, which is not always beneficial.

That's right, I think the cost of installing this type of solution is too expensive for the benefit. If it is to heat the water in a swimming pool, it can be used, but I think it would be too expensive for the efficiency generated. I find it more efficient to use this heat to heat the environment/house than to heat water.

You both lack imagination LOL,

Pick a wall

Take a 1inch lead pipe make, a "U" where you reach the otherside of the wall and the return to the other side, then a "U" again...left-right-right-left.. Until the top to bottom of the wall is filled with lead pipe.(or any metal pipe, copper if you can).

Then make a loop with water like a car radiator but here the radiator absorbs heat from the room, more like a huge heatsink.

If you touch a cement wall of a mining room it is uncomfortably warm, that is what those metal pipes are going to absorb, law of thermodynamics will make the heat transfer more from the environment to the pipe because the pipe is colder and the water inside transports heat to the other side of the wall where the heat is needed, or we can also say the colder room transfers cold thru the metal pipes to the hotter room.
71  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: So much for PoS from PoW for ETH on: December 10, 2022, 04:10:25 AM
When I was in school a classmate's parents ran a flower shop and he, being a computer geek, convinced them to sell PCs as well.
But plants like high humidity, computers don't. It's good to try to use the heat from mining in a useful way but mining in a hothouse
is not a good idea. The issue with growing in winter is the lack of sunlight so grow lights are needed and they also produce heat.

Any equipment that generates heat (electric) does not like humidity. It is true that there are equipment that are prepared for this type of scenario, obviously.
In this type of case, which we are talking about here, the mining equipment would have to be in a separate room from the plants, but with the generated heat directed towards the plant room. But I agree that the idea will not be the most efficient for effective plant production.

But I remember a few years ago, having read a news story about a mining farm that consumed energy clandestinely, which was discovered by the police, because the police thought that the facilities were used for the production of drugs, due to the heat generated and consumed energy.

If you search the internet, there are business in tropical countries where they grew in containers non tropical plants with AC, AC removes humidity and can dry plants but they did it. Now the inverted version of this is "heating".

I bet humidity can be introduced, there are humidifier appliances BTW, misting can also increase humidity, and yes you grew them at a separate room where the heat eminates from the mining room.

They grew them in the heart of the city, customers are restaurants.

The business was feasible because the logistics of transporting those plants from far away cost more, besides the quality and freshness of plants grown in a very close location is the selling point.
72  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: So much for PoS from PoW for ETH on: December 08, 2022, 07:17:03 PM
It depends on how long summer is in your country. If you have 4 months of summer, then in the remaining 8 months, growing food will be very difficult, trumpeting time and good skills.  You can buy a house in the village and take care of your own garden when the profit from mining is enough to live on, but now everything has changed.

Grow lights changes the game, maybe the heat from miners can reduce temp in a certain area to reach an ideal growing temp.

Coins mined has value, not getting sick has value too, most people are just taking health for granted.

I am mining at home now in winter and I must say I am only running half of the rig because that is more than enough to mine ETHW which has a really low difficulty right now and by doing so I have not at all turned on the air conditioner except maybe 30 minutes maximum in the morning and 30 minutes as maximum in the evening,that is a huge savings on the bill which an air conditioner like the one I have consumes at the beginning 3000 watt and then when the inverter pulls in like 800-900 watt compared to my half mining rig at 350 watt as a maximum consumption,so I got basically some free heating by doing so.

If your temp becomes an ideal growing temp to some plant that is expensive there because you are in a cold climate or because the plant is grown in hotter season, maybe it is feasible to become a gpu farmer and an exotic/off season plant farmer at the same time, with a niche market for hotels and expensive restaurants.

You won't worry anymore with bear markets if you can pull that off LOL
73  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: So much for PoS from PoW for ETH on: December 08, 2022, 04:22:19 AM
It depends on how long summer is in your country. If you have 4 months of summer, then in the remaining 8 months, growing food will be very difficult, trumpeting time and good skills.  You can buy a house in the village and take care of your own garden when the profit from mining is enough to live on, but now everything has changed.

Grow lights changes the game, maybe the heat from miners can reduce temp in a certain area to reach an ideal growing temp.

Coins mined has value, not getting sick has value too, most people are just taking health for granted.
74  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: So much for PoS from PoW for ETH on: December 04, 2022, 11:11:19 AM
What's up with health issues here? I bet it is more with crappy things you put in your bodies than pollution.

Drink distilled water, megahome brand can do it cheaper. Sprouting with grow lights (you have the electrical capability since you are miners).

There is HEPA filters for air filtration, you can also convert AC or anything that intake and expels air with a filter sheet that is not HEPA level but is good enough.

If you spend 1000$ more on healthy food every month vs saving 1000$ every month...do the math for hospitalization, you'll end up better and live better eating delicious and healthy foods.

If low on $$$, then you can convert those $$$ to time and energy to grow your sprouts and have a garden. You can spend less on supplements and food by having a garden.

....aaaaaaand all this investment talk here will be erased with a good 10x or better a 100x or a 1000x LOL  Grin
75  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: So much for PoS from PoW for ETH on: December 01, 2022, 12:08:04 AM
It is not safe to invest in financial assets in all countries. And inflation in the US is 7%, according to the news. Even now, mining gives 10-30% annual profit, and investments in cryptocurrency now can give 300-1000% profit in a few years.

Investing in country assets is always safe, especially countries like the US. Now, if you say that it has less profitability in the short/medium term, yes it can happen.
But, taking into account how the FED has increased interest rates, this type of investment is currently very profitable, at least in the short term.

LOL there's a reason why you, him and me are years and years into crypto  Grin.
76  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Evga 3080Ti XC3 Red Light Problem on: November 26, 2022, 05:36:55 PM
Maybe the 1 sec of LED1 of other graphics card is POST (power on self test).

You used a tooth brush, are you sure the hard part of the brush didn't hit a component like a resistor and removed it from its solder?
77  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Evga 3080Ti XC3 Red Light Problem on: November 26, 2022, 01:58:48 AM
Do you have a modular psu? Check each wire connection, not just the whole socket.
78  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Anyone mining on RTX4090 already on: November 16, 2022, 12:42:27 PM
To all crypto miners who still believe in gpu mining is there anyone using RTX4090 already for mining? What hashrate are you getting off the graphic card and which coin is the most friendly for mining on the RTX4090, also I need information on watt consumption and heat, this is urgent, I will drop more information later.
Is this information not enough for you?
https://whattomine.com/gpus/79-nvidia-geforce-rtx-4090?cost=0.1&cost_currency=USD
Maybe you can get a little better power consumption, but this video card has the same problems as the RTX 3090. And then you will have the dilemma: making expensive cooling or opening warranty seals and changing thermal pads with thermal paste.

you know my 3090ti cards have cool memory numbers I have 4 from evga all of them have ram in the 76-86c range with 300- 305 watts

https://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=24G-P5-4983-KR

look at the two 3090ti in open air rig below

I understand that you have chosen good video cards with a good cooling system, but not everyone is so lucky.
My colleagues have problems with these graphics cards and have been forced to deal with overheating issues. I have a lot of cheap open cases and don't want to spend money on closed cases or extra ventilation.

that card has a massive cooler(uses a lot of metal), the card is still new but if the thermal pads can't last long, it has to be changed with quality thermal pads.

there are cards that have low quality coolers even with good thermal pads, the temps are a bit good enough but not excellent.

cards with better coolers are a bit more expensive, but sometimes it is worth it.
79  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: New fiasco Nvidia GeForce RTX 4090 on: November 15, 2022, 09:59:13 AM
NVIDIA has problems with video card sales and their marketers don't know what to do to increase video card sales.

NVIDIA RTX 4080 12GB now to be called RTX 4070 Ti
As expected, NVIDIA is changing the name of the ‘unlaunched’ GPU.
https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4070-ti-to-replace-canceled-rtx-4080-12gb-sku-launch-in-janaury

Of course they are going to have problems,Ethereum going to PoS killed their sales and will continue to do so until we have another coin which will substitute the Ethereum and be as good as Ethereum in mining rewards in order for them to recover their sales.That LHR bullshit that they came up with so to say that we are pleasing the gamers was just done to shut some of the gamers up but they knew very well that their main market and earnings which were huge by the way in 2021 is exactly because of mining. I don't feel sorry for them the slightest.

I feel sorry for Mr. V.B. he has a long list of enemies by now.

I don't feel sorry for him either,I am waiting not that patiently to see his so famous ETH that has got to green energy PoS fail miserably like many of us have predicted here.Meanwhile as I wait I have got nothing better to do than mine some ETHW and hope for the best for the upcoming crypto bull run,many don't expect it anytime soon but I think it will surprise us all how soon it will be here.

I like that some bull runs deep in your belief.

the POS shitstorms with centralized exchange scam[scam token/scam trading sauce/scam tokens/scam hack] and SEC/governments attacks might bring life and change tide for the old good decentralized mining for the next bull run.
80  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: List of Newest Coins That can be Mined with GPU on: November 09, 2022, 02:23:49 AM
Yeah there is no short cut to this. You basically want to instamine a bunch of coins since the difficulty will be low and then by shear luck if it ever hits an exchange you can make decent profit off it. Sure it’s possible but you gotta check the threads everyday and stay aware of any scam projects and 90% of the projects now are all ICOs which are unmineavle, you gotta buy those tokens.

Back in 2014 everyday there was some new coin which was mineable and a couple days later it appeared on the largest exchange and you could sell it then. Those days are long gone unfortunately since ETH went live with erc20 token.

LBRY is in trouble, there is a mining issue in canada, if governments go after ICO's and POS, then we might have a 2013-2014 comeback hehe

Small scale and anon miners are the most resilient.
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