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you got trolled.
even ASICs separate PSU from the hashing/computing unit.
now there are two major failing points for that card, PSU part and the GPU part. PSU part breaks, GPU part will be useless (breaks the concept of "modular" tech)
look how thick it is, not even thick enough to cool 400w, not as thick as any PSU out there that could deliver 900w (plus GPU)
it is not safe to change thermal paste/pads, you have high voltage caps in there LOL
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The medium power cards will only work for people with really cheap electricity,mostly in Europe the price of energy is on a constant increase because of the war in Ukraine which has hyper inflated the prices.It would be difficult for such cards to offer good returns for miners who will buy them.The difficulty of Eth is not decreasing it is staying constant in the best case despite the price of Ethereum falling so I don't see any valid point to buy those cards unless you have really cheap electricity.
Even at a 7¢ power rate and video cards available at half of MSRP, it will take 3+ years to reach payback if no other GPU coin saves the day. We would be stuck earning $0.40-0.50/day of profit on a $450 video card (including system parts). That is a 20-40% return per year, which isn't bad and is probably better than ASIC mining, but is nowhere near the 100-300% return we have seen over the past 5 years. The trend seems to be PoS coins getting the highest valuations these days. I expect PoW GPU coins to stagnate in market cap ranking, which means profit will stagnate. RVN/FLUX/etc. will probably keep throwing off ASICs, not that ASIC companies will even want to make them in a bear market. Would I be happy with a 20-40% return? Yes, because there's the chance that a PoW coin can become big again and I could get a 200-500% return; just like I did in 2019-2021 with a GTX 1060 rig. No other investment is as good for me. peak bear market should be at least 5-6 years ROI (3 years is still doable, RMA is 3 years), miners will see no point in owning these pieces of "trash money printers" LOL at 5-6 years your card is not RMA-able and you haven't ROI'd yet..LMAO! --->peak bear market, peak pain. then after a few monthly "green candles" it is back to 3 year ROI and then 1 year ROI..then retards panic buys the shit out of GPUs again hehe. here is my take. you would not want to have "no GPU farm" when the next.. 1. big thing 2. pump and dump 3. bull run ...happens. |
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the VRAMs are still gddr6x, GPU mining is mostly VRAM mining.
if they claim it is 50% improvement, maybe for the core, but for mining 15-20% improvement is not so enticing. 20% is a huge leap for the same VRAM tech..maybe it is 10% or less (refresh) hehe.
on the other hand models with 4nm means cooler core, core and VRAMs are on the same board..these might mine cooler, other than that, it might not be worth it.
Memory wise will be the same, dont think we will have any improvements on memory nm reduction, core wise will have a huge reduction in power consumption. I don't have high hopes for 4xxx 1080ti gddr5x 2080ti gddr6 3xxx lower tier gddr6 3xxx higher tier gddr6x now.. 4xxx gddr6x for higher tier.. AMD HBM2 should take the cake. |
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Second is that there are new gen video cards being released soon so people are waiting for those.
Miners who are waiting for next-gen cards will be disappointed. But you're right about the newer cards being very useful to gamers because of the high TFLOPs. So if gamers currently are 60% of the buyers of the market and they're waiting, that would drive prices down. "waiting" is one of the most stupid thing you'll hear about mining. (happened with the 3090s and 3080's before the bull run LOL...waiting for the market to go bull and then paid almost double MSRP  , if you can't mine in a non bull market then there is a huge chance you won't last long here) ROI'd cards is still better than the latest and greatest/biggest and baddest that "will be" released...fast forward to the future--that great card is released then buy it, and you still have the ROI'd cards you bought in the past.(or in worse scenario the cards are still about to get ROI'd, but it is on its way.) if you can make money now, do it now. it is that simple. worry about selling/upgrading when heat and space is maxed out, if you are "maxed out" already then you are in the "optimizing stage" of mining, things change a bit..but profit and ROI first above all else. |
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the VRAMs are still gddr6x, GPU mining is mostly VRAM mining. if they claim it is 50% improvement, maybe for the core, but for mining 15-20% improvement is not so enticing. 20% is a huge leap for the same VRAM tech..maybe it is 10% or less (refresh) hehe. on the other hand models with 4nm means cooler core, core and VRAMs are on the same board..these might mine cooler, other than that, it might not be worth it. |
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People are not buying because they know the 4xxx or next amd gpus will use 50% or more less watts, so the current generation of gpus in the market will keep going down in price because of that and many other factors like little profit at moment is not worth and Intel is soon entering the gpu market too, even though the mafia are still trying to keep the prices up, so idiots can overpay for the mafia gpus, do not be a sheep, do not buy gpus now.
if 4xxx is just 3xxx refresh(like 2xxx to 1xxx)..it will be hilarious. |
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-snip-
My mining area is heat capped.
I have 20 empty 30amp/240 circuits ready to use but room is too fucking hot.
We may add a 60000 btu chiller. have to decide this week.
hehe..try to go vent in-vent out hunting first. 60000 btu is 30-40 amps at 220v, venting with industrial fans would only take 6-8 amps at most. |
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Just use a trash bin, once it's in the trash bin you won't accidentally use it.
You can empty the trash bin if you like but it isn't a mistake not to.
Here is the reality part: You troubleshoot, replaced the riser(not the usb cable), but you placed the riser beside the rig because it might be the cable or other stuff(thinking the riser is might not be the problem) then you go out the mining area, look at the pool data or remote view, everything is fine and you don't come back to the mining area...you'll forget that you have a defective riser there, trust me you'll forget that you have a defective riser there and will try to use it again, only to be troubled by that defective part in the future. The key is, if you know something is defective 100% sure, don't be lazy throw that shit right away. |
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not throwing defective parts right away...by not doing this, you will waste your time and effort in the near future LOL
Your point is kinda confusing to me, I won't advice people to get rid of parts because they can be useful in future if thats what you saying then im sorry, I was able to change hear sinks twice because I have them laying around, I was able to change a busted capacitor on my card because I have gpu spare part. like riser cards and usb cables, you will pick it up and plug it and then remove it again (during troubleshoot)..this makes sense if you have a lot of gear, managing a few is very different in managing a lot of gear. exceptions are: you have same model of gpu from the farm that is defective, do not throw that away since you can get parts that are "compatible" to the ones that are still running. |
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how about heat?
what if it is fine during winter and spring..then it starts getting errors during summer.
so you don't over clock during hot months and you overclock during cool months.
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I've not used or bought any RTX 3090ti but since this graphic card is more powerful than RTX 3090 I'm just curious how the cooling system is, have Nvidia learned a lesson from RTX 3090 and RTX 3080 heat issues? Is 3090ti cooling improved?.
The same problems can be with overheating of memory during mining. I advise you to find good reviews on specific models and make a purchase decision. A non-reference cooling system is made by video card manufacturers, not by Nvidia. this. "specific models" suprim x 3080ti, 3090 and 3090ti are almost the same in size 3080ti: 336 x 140 x 61 mm (400w) 3090: 336 x 140 x 61 mm (420W) 3090ti: 338 x 140 x 71 mm (480w) same coolers for both 3090 and 3080ti minor difference to 3090ti. so 3080ti's on suprim x are very cool. 3090 are cool enough, then plus 1cm for 3090ti to be cool enough. people are just buying the cheapest model and run them..if you live in a cold climate then yes, you have that option. but then again there are such issues to the types(brands that don't perform compared to other brand ex. hynix, samsung, micron) of memory used in cheaper models (this is not always the case, there are times you can still get away with cheaper models). 80-90% of the time you get what you pay for. |
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3090 and 3080s will give you lots of headaches starting from heat issues and low hash rates down the line, if you aren't ready to spend money on extra cooling, copper pad mods, higher-end thermal paste then stay away from these cards, I know it makes sense to have limited cards with higher hashrates but not with 3090s.
in mining you are always ready spend money on anything because you are earning and those extra expenses are still covered by profit. if you can't spend extra or not earning enough, then re analyze your mining venture. |
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Yes, temperatures, especially of memory chips, are indeed a problem, which, however, is solved with the help of undervolting or using immersion baths, but there is still an ever-increasing energy consumption, which after the release of 4090 at which TDP is expected to be more than 600W.
Yep I read about this 4090 using 600Watt online, I'm guessing and thinking how this GPU will perform in cooling, a powerful GPU that uses 600watt can't be cool using a thermal pad and paste, I hope Nvidia knows what they are doing this time around, we dont want to experience RTX 3080s and 3090s all over again. I think this is the maximum power consumption, but the real power will be about 300-400 watts. At 600 watts, a more modern cooling system is tedious. Although AMD had a dual-chip AMD Radeon HD 7990 graphics card that consumed about 500 watts, but the miners used it with the correct settings and downvolting, so its consumption was about 350 watts. There is an article and I believe also a test to be found about the powerconsumption on IgorsLab https://www.igorslab.de/en/where-the-600-watt-of-nvidia-geforce-rtx-4090-actually-comes-from-an-estimate-of-gpu-and-components/Makes interesting reading. It is interesting reading there that 40xx is gddr6x, worst case scenario is 40xx series is that it is a refresh like the 20xx to the 10xx series. If 40xx are refresh, then buying 3090s or 3090ti's now is a better choice because by the time the 40xx are released you might be closer to ROI or you already ROI'd. |
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Expectation?
Hehehe, 3090 at the peak costs here more than 3000 USD, so it's unreal for most of us here to buy a card at that price I bought some cards but not a single 3090 because as I said, when it was availabe, it costs more than I expect Here we receive the cards after US and Europe, and the first batches are always more expensive, so impossible to get one at decent prices, and the scalpers got a lot of cards too resell Another thing to know, the RMA of almost all brands are really bad, we don't have local warranty for Zotac, EVGA, Sapphire, Powercolor and Palit for example, the store where we buy have to give some warranty, but we can't open the card to modify. The only brand that I know that accept thermal replacement is Galax, but if they judge the card is bad due to your service, they can refuse your RMA. A rig with 5x 3090s with 575Mhs and a EVGA Supernova 2000w is a dream to have there was a window of opportunity to buy before the chip scarcity and the bull run, nvidia release may not be exactly the same day/s around the world but they were released globally. if a card mines for months up to a year (store warranty period), the chance of it being defective are very low, so modifications (warranty being void) is worth the risk...aaaand here comes your "mining conditions/environment" if you can't/or don't know how to cool your gears well enough... then i call them amateurs. in mining you have to know the "tools of the trade". |
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Expectation?
You have to buy at 1400$ before it got to 2000$ and above.
You have to buy before the bull run.
You have to know your brands and specific models.
You have to know how to dissasemble and replace thermal pads.
You have to know to tweak.
You have to know your electricity cost.
You have to know (insert others things that are out of topic but essential as miners)
Resell?
If you ROI'd your 3090's several times over, sell them now at 1000$ each and still be happy LOL
Again..amateurs.
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price? heat? efficiency? amateurs..(you all can handle those issues if you know what you are doing) 3090's ROI'd many times already from the date of my recommendation.. you all complain because crypto prices now in relation to mining is not that great (but great if you know..you know)  |
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With just 10 pieces of 3090s you are already at 1GH on the Ethash algorithm, why aren't people doing this instead of having so many GPUs around, taking so much space and having to use more risers and more motherboard, why are people not going this way?.
it is called density, i'm one of the miners here who likes density. actually when i recommended 3090s for density before the bull run and during its release, there were miners here who are against it. now my next recommendation is preparing for gddr7, and try to maximize density again. |
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i dunno, i know for sure i got a cold or colds..didn't monitor didn't count..didn't even have pcr or whatever covid test out there.
nothing got me sick that is severe enough to bother me LOL
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the fan or maybe the fuse that might be blown due to a power surge..but if you replace the fuse, test it on low value gear first.
you wouldn't know if there are components that degraded during the failure, they will later fail after the PSU is (if) fixed...what will the next PSU failure brings with it? a couple of GPUs? LOL. throw that ticking time bomb away LOL
today the value of GPUs and power supply are very very far almost up to 10x the worth of a PSU, if you plug 3 GPUs that's 30x the worth of the PSU..you wouldn't dare! LOL
even brand new top of the line PSU should be tested on low value gear first, i had an experience with ax1500i that fucker killed a motherboard and a RAM straight from the box, good thing that board and ram was brand new too, so they are RMA'd with the PSU.
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3090ti released half year before 40xx release date. Remember when 2080ti'ers got 3070'd ??..well it is nice to own one but don't go full blast on those 3090ti's In crypto "timing" is a huge factor.. 3090's x3 the 1080ti's and ROI'd..and that is a very good thing. 3090ti x3 the 1080ti too, imagine if the 4090 x4 or x5 the 1080ti. 1080ti~2080ti~3070 3090 vs 3090ti is like 1080ti vs 2080ti ...what if the 4070 will be more energy efficient version of 3090/3090ti in 6 months. 40xx series will come with gddr7, that's the signal...always follow vram memory upgrades the 3090ti is 7 or 8 % better then the 3090. and it is priced just about the same. I have 17 or 18 3090 cards and 2 3090ti cards. the 3090ti are better. the 1080ti and the 2080ti had a large price jump. like 700 to 1100 usd and hash was only 50 to 55 so the 3090ti is decent enough. of course if we go pos in July all cards go in the shitter. Since mining ⛏ with gpus will take a huge hit. 50 to 55 hash will be like the "7% or 8% better" like you said. it all comes down to price..if it is just about the same, why not?...price will dictate, there are different price variables around the world..to some area 400$-500$ will be the price difference between 3090 and 3090ti too. |
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