Do you mean conservatards?
He quickly changed it lest the lack of spelling accuracy hurts his fragile sense of security  .  Real talk: only two traits are necessary to oppose capitalism. First and foremost one must possess compassion (for all), the greatest and noblest of all the wisdoms. Second, a certain level of acuity is required. That is to say, one must see the world clearly and accurately, with judgement unclouded by myth, superstition, pseudoscience, or unchecked privilege (raw untempered ego). The most dangerous ignorance is the hubristic sort wherein one is certain one knows. Because they're admirable, it's easy to fool oneself into believing one possesses these two traits. Use this handy test to check yourself: Any person with the aforementioned two qualities is compelled by their compassion to be oppose capitalism.Furthermore, any articulate such person can muster a powerful and moving attack against capitalism simply by drawing our attention to everyday life, for the misery this system creates is all around us. In fact we are immersed in this misery like fish in water, such that it seems normal* and so becomes largely invisible to us. *it is the new normal that 60% of Americans are on at least one prescription drug. The psycho/political situation is similar now to what it was generations ago when the abolitionists began the fight to end slavery. The main difference between then and now is that since then we've legitimized and industrialized the production, distribution, and consumption of mass quantities of drugs. Pharmaceuticals are naturally capitalism's favored misery-coping method because it's easy to make a fortune selling pills when you can leverage an entire field of science - psychology - to suit your business agenda. The insurance, pharma, and law industries have spent the past several decades perfecting the art of corrupting softer science* into utterly profit-driven pseudoscience. *Several degrees of separation from pure mathematics; In any case much too weak to defend itself from an attack vector so potent as corporate greed. Yours in compassion and solidarity, World Citizen Beliathon, proud social justice warrior |
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So Bellathon, what are you doing to enact change for these causes you are so passionate for I'm afraid that's classified, citizen. Now return to your government assigned cube-housing immediately or pay the fine for violating curfew.  Big Gubermint is coming for you, conservatards. Really, insulting someone, pre-judging its intention, not knowing its true motivation behind a simple question will not bring more soldiers under your bivouac...
>> I'm sure you'll learn a lot today, unless you're an intellectual coward piece of shit who refuses to expose himself to any information that contradicts his pre-established biases. There was no insult, merely a potential insult conditional upon the Lethn's decisions about intellectual honesty and scientific integrity. On this matter I hold him and everyone else to the same standard I hold myself. |
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You know you've fucking up when even hardcore communists are fed up of you...
Using the opinions of random internet strangers as a metric for truth ("am I fucking up?") - smells like quality science to me broheem.  If I didn't know better, I'd say you're not actually interested in getting to the truth of this matter at all, because on some level you realize you are absolutely 100% full of shit. Just another ignorant privileged white man oblivious to the suffering of the rest of the world. And so you shall remain, until you find the intellectual courage to throw yourself at my feet and beg me to teach you the error of your privileged ways. But of course, that's all hypothetical, I know better after all. You've come honestly to this joining of minds to seek truth and wisdom together, have you not? Careful, the easiest person to fool is yourself. |
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If bitcoin has taught you nothing else, it should be that it matters not who an idea comes from, only that the idea itself is true and worthy. Nothing is wrong with using other people's arguments, especially if they have said something more articulately and/or concisely than you would.
Only in factory schools is collaboration slandered as cheating. This isn't a school, and many people here clearly aren't learning much.
Regarding SJW: Capitalism is the defining issue of our generation, it is our slavery, it's only natural that it will provoke great controversy. Where you fall on this issue will largely define how you're remembered by the rest of humanity for eternity.
Is Satoshi a social justice warrior? I would say no except for the text he embedded in the genesis block about bank bailouts second round. Seems there may have been a political agenda from the beginning, given this technology is such a powerful tool for seizing power from government/banks/other tyrannical entities that enforce monopolies with threat of violence. |
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If bitcoin has taught you nothing else, it should be that it matters not who an idea comes from, only that the idea itself is true and worthy. Nothing is wrong with using other people's arguments, especially if they have said something more articulately and/or concisely than you would.
Only in factory schools is collaboration slandered as cheating. This isn't a school, and many people here clearly aren't learning much.
Regarding SJW: Capitalism is the defining issue of our generation, it is our slavery, it's only natural that it will provoke great controversy. Where you fall on this issue will largely define how you're remembered by the rest of humanity for eternity.
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That was a nice copy and paste of some one elese's argument. The truth cares nothing for the misguided notion that ideas can be owned, borrowed, or stolen. Your capitalist thought habits only hamper you in your search for truth. Information always seeks to be free, just as water seeks to reach sea level. BTW, you do realize that even if he WAS "sealioning", that is not a logical fallacy I never claimed sealioning was a logical fallacy, only linked a logical argument explaining clear why I wouldn't respond to sealioning (because doing so is fruitless). |
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Incorrect, I engaged the criticism by refuting it with evidence on display in this very thread. He claimed to have read the article about sealioning, while continuing to sealion in that same post. Ergo, stupidity or lying or both.
So in short, he is sealionining because, he is sealioning? Do you even realize you are making your argument based on a premise you are already assuming? https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/begging-the-questionIt wasn't an assumption, his sealioning was both obvious and indisputable as the information he was requesting I provide is readily (and abundantly) available at his fingertips. "The biggest reason why people hate sealioning is because responding to it is a complete waste of time. It's an insidious trap. Responding to questions asked reasonably is, of course, a natural thing for people to do. I like to do it myself; educating others is generally pretty entertaining, especially if they are receptive to learning. Dismissing those questions can appear condescending or rude, especially if you actually are condescending or rude. Of course, these questions are not asked because the person genuinely wants to know. If they did, they would do their own digging based on your statements, and only ask for obscure or difficult-to-discover information. This is the "debate principle"; when you go to a debate, you educate yourself on the topics at hand, and only request evidence when a claim is either quite outlandish or unflinchingly obscure. No, these questions are asked to make you waste your time. It works, too; I've responded to sealions before, answering all their questions and claims for evidence, only to be greeted by even more willful ignorance. It's a way to force you into responding to questions phrased neutrally but asked in bad faith." |
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You have pasted the same article 5 times and yes I have read it, but still do not have an answer. Either you didn't read it or you failed to comprehend it. In either case I must conclude that you are at best an idiot, at worst a liar. It's only a logical fallacy if there is no observation involved, if said stupidity (or character flaw) is a baseless assumption rather than observed reality. A personal attack is still a personal attack no matter how you justify it. You aren't arguing a point you are arguing a person. Also there is this... https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/tu-quoqueIncorrect, I engaged the criticism by refuting it with evidence on display in this very thread. He claimed to have read the article about sealioning, while continuing to sealion in that same post. Ergo, stupidity or lying or both. |
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What "white privileged" is being experienced today? I certainty haven't been treated different than my minority friends by anyone! How would you know this? Were you there for every moment of their lives? This is an absurd claim. |
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You have pasted the same article 5 times and yes I have read it, but still do not have an answer. Either you didn't read it or you failed to comprehend it. In either case I must conclude that you are at best an idiot, at worst a liar. It's only a logical fallacy if there is no observation involved, if said stupidity (or character flaw) is a baseless assumption rather than observed reality. |
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You have pasted the same article 5 times and yes I have read it, but still do not have an answer. Either you didn't read it or you failed to comprehend it. In either case I must conclude that you are at best an idiot, at worst a liar.  |
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Comparing the actions of your group What group? What actions? That sounds like an unfair generalization if I ever heard one. and ideology to Socrates is more insulting to me than anything you've said so far you arrogant fuck. https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ad-hominem+  |
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I'm not comparing them, I'm only pointing out that the rest of society doesn't alter itself to suit your personal convenience. We weren't talking about "personal convenience", we were talking about freedom. If you just want to lump them into the same category... well, never mind. Well, you're the one conflating the two. |
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Who was the first social justice warrior? Socrates. I have seen the same statement many times before, but have yet to actually see a specific, real world example.
Please provide me with an example. You have the internet available at your fingertips, the greatest compendium of knowledge ever assembled, accessible with convenience unimaginable to every generation that came before. Use it. http://simplikation.com/why-sealioning-is-bad/Why don't you tell me? I dont need to look at a bunch of whiny liberals on the internet, you will tell me on here, or maybe you can't because there are no real examples "Ssealioning" - the act of jumping into a discussion with demands for evidence and answers to questions. But why is it an awful thing to do? Why do people react so negatively to a request for evidence? Surely a reasoned, rational person would acquiesce to such a statement! Well, no. And here's why. Sunk Time The biggest reason why people hate sealioning is because responding to it is a complete waste of time. It's an insidious trap. Responding to questions asked reasonably is, of course, a natural thing for people to do. I like to do it myself; educating others is generally pretty entertaining, especially if they are receptive to learning. Dismissing those questions can appear condescending or rude, especially if you actually are condescending or rude. Of course, these questions are not asked because the person genuinely wants to know. If they did, they would do their own digging based on your statements, and only ask for obscure or difficult-to-discover information. This is the "debate principle"; when you go to a debate, you educate yourself on the topics at hand, and only request evidence when a claim is either quite outlandish or unflinchingly obscure. No, these questions are asked to make you waste your time. It works, too; I've responded to sealions before, answering all their questions and claims for evidence, only to be greeted by even more willful ignorance. It's a way to force you into responding to questions phrased neutrally but asked in bad faith. Asking in Bad Faith So what does asking in bad faith mean? When you ask a question in bad faith, you are essentially looking for a way to demean, degrade, or otherwise destroy your target. A good example of an obviously bad faith question is the perennial favorite "When did you stop beating your wife?" as it instantly casts doubt upon the person asked the question. However, it's easy to ask a question in bad faith using reasoned, good faith practices. Neutral phrasing does not always guarantee a question is asked in good faith. This is extremely obvious in documented sealioning; the target responds, only for the questioner to immediately grill them for more information, misinterpret the answer, or dismiss it entirely. The purpose of sealioning never to actually learn or become more informed. The purpose is to interrogate. Much like actual interrogators, sealioners bombard the target with question after question, digging and digging until the target either says something stupid or is so pissed off that they react in the extreme. Load The Question Cannons All of this, of course, relies on asking a lot of questions, often with little-to-no downtime between volleys. When the target is continually asked questions - especially the same question under a different phrasing, which is very common when sealioning - it's rattling. They have to fight the natural instinct to respond in good faith to neutrally-phrased questions, as answering them will only bring more. It's a forced violation of the empathy that a compassionate person feels towards others, as it pushes them into noticing that their questioners are not particularly interested in the questions themselves. Compound this with being sealioned but multiple people, as is common on Twitter, and you've got a recipe for a very frustrating and fruitless timeline. If you respond, you are bombarded with even more questions by people who aren't asking to actually be convinced. If you do not respond, you are insulted as somebody who doesn't wish to participate in reasoned discourse, despite the clear and simple fact that such a discourse is not reasonable; it merely has the appearance of rationality. Lose/Lose Being sealioned is a lose/lose situation, unfortunately. Much like Global Thermonuclear War, the only winning move is not to play. In this case, block or dismiss sealioners and go about your normal business, letting them vent their frustrations out where you can't see them. It's much healthier for your psyche. It's unfortunate that we must be suspicious of purportedly honest and neutral questions. Asking questions and being open is key to establishing dialogue and understanding one another. When you are the target of a sealion brigade, though, the purpose is to get you to waste your time responding to every little complaint, and falsely-amiable questions are the easiest way to get you to waste it. So don't. Spend it doing more constructive activities, like making a game, talking to others genuinely interested in dialogue, or any form of self-care. You owe nothing - especially not answers - to a mob whose intent is to harass you. |
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It's unarticulated because it's not half as bad as you claim it to be It's far worse than I claim it be. It's unarticulated because of generations of assholes humiliating, assaulting, or even murdering anyone who attempts to articulate it.  All that's left of that horrific legacy is the shaming and grandstanding on display in this thread by people with a dying worldview, people like you. it appears as if feminists are going to end up even here in Bitcointalk soon Wrong again. Feminists are already here, you're conversing with one right now. |
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I have seen the same statement many times before, but have yet to actually see a specific, real world example.
Please provide me with an example. You have the internet available at your fingertips, the greatest compendium of knowledge ever assembled, accessible with convenience unimaginable to every generation that came before. Use it. http://simplikation.com/why-sealioning-is-bad/ |
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What will I achieve specifically because of my race? Please enlighten me. Wrong question. The right question is, "What wouldn't I have achieved if I hadn't been born white?" >>Premise Four: Civilization is based on a clearly defined and widely accepted yet often unarticulated hierarchy. Violence done by those higher on the hierarchy to those lower is nearly always invisible, that is, unnoticed. When it is noticed, it is fully rationalized. Violence done by those lower on the hierarchy to those higher is unthinkable, and when it does occur is regarded with shock, horror, and the fetishization of the victims. P.S. I too am a white american male, who only came to understand privilege (my own, and that which I lack) after a great deal of personal suffering. |
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One word, you are pathetic beliathon.
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ad-hominemI am white myself and have not received any "special privilege" just because of my race. Thank you for that kind demonstration. It's not about what you get, it's about what non-white people don't get. (...) Of course, many people are not aware of why they treat certain people certain ways, or may choose to ignore the realities of privilege.
Furthermore, for those receiving the privilege, it is difficult to be aware of this special treatment since in most cases they have been receiving privilege throughout their lives. For those outside the privileged group(s), the distinction may be more obvious. Or, it may not be noticeable until the facts are presented, since many people don’t stop to analyze and question their treatment. |
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