First of all, this isn't America's obsession. Libertarians are a vocal minority on the internet. They come from Christian conservative Republican parents and they're trying to rebel by using this weak platform of "social liberalism, economic conservativism", this platform totally ignores the reality that economics (distribution of resources) IS the most social issue of all!
Said the socialist. Socialism is well known for its excellent sustainable economic models  My new world is only in the early fetal stages of life, its birth is still some years away, rest assured though, it will be born from the corpse of capitalism. |
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Why America's obsession with libertarianism?!
First of all, this isn't America's obsession. Libertarians are a vocal minority on the internet. They come from Christian conservative Republican parents and they're trying to rebel by using this weak platform of "social liberalism, economic conservativism", this platform totally ignores the reality that economics (distribution of resources) IS the most social issue of all!  There's also a powerful strain of Randian insanity at play. |
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Science is simple: You need only follow the evidence wherever it may lead, and in time all the secrets of the universe will unfold before you.
But compassion, noblest of all wisdoms, is another quest altogether. All too often compassion is the path of greatest resistance. All too often compassion demands great and terrible sacrifice. So it should come as no surprise that we are few who dare to walk this path earnestly and without fear. Nevertheless, history has shown us again and again that time is on our side.
It was my love of reason that brought me to anarchism, but it was my compassion was my love of reason that brought me to anarchism, but it was my compassion - burning inside my heart like a fire that never runs out of fuel - that made me a socialist. And so I shall remain until the day I die.
I think its stupid just to think of just the one ideology you become to extreme in your thinking by picking 1 of the 3 ideology so if you ask me i am all 3 a socialist a capitalist and a communist Well said. There's a real fundamentalism about economic matters in the usa. Check out this interview, very enlightening. https://youtu.be/Fn6UJ2QcR7I"Political tags - such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist, fascist, liberal, conservative, and so forth - are never basic criteria. The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire." Robert A. Heinlein |
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Science is simple: You need only follow the evidence wherever it may lead, and in time all the secrets of the universe will unfold before you.
But compassion, noblest of all wisdoms, is another quest altogether. All too often compassion is the path of greatest resistance. All too often compassion demands unthinkable sacrifice.
So it should come as no surprise that we are few who dare to walk this path earnestly and without fear. Nevertheless, history has shown us again and again that time is on our side.
It was my love of reason that brought me to anarchism, but it was my compassion was my love of reason that brought me to anarchism, but it was my compassion - burning inside my heart like a fire that never runs out of fuel - that made me a socialist. And so I shall remain until the day I die.
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And yet, you wrote it to me, not The Joint.
Forgive me. Please understand it can be difficult for a whale to discern one small goldfish from another. I'm sorry. Are we supposed to take you seriously? You've been shown to be a hypocrite over and over and in an attempt to show your intellect being higher than others I wasn't aware that it was merely an attempt. It seems that one of us is suffering from a bad case of the Dunning-Kruger effect. I'll leave it to the readers to deduce which of us that is. |
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And yet, you wrote it to me, not The Joint.
Forgive me. Please understand it can be difficult for a whale to discern one small goldfish from another. |
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"My child?" Wow, how pretentious can you get? You said you're a "psych major." What are you? Late teens? Early 20's? Bold, bold statements for a student to say...
>> Equally as pretentious as the man in the church referred to as "father" who is not your father?
I can't speak on Beliathon's behalf, but it looks to me like a joke, that has been taken very seriously Correct. It wasn't a statement about age, it was a half-joke highlighting the apparent intellectual gap between The Joint and I. You know, the intellectual gap between the average human IQ and a chimpanzee is smaller than the intellectual gap between the average person and a genius IQ. So when I call you a "child" rather than a Great Ape or some other similarly likely-offensive reference to your primateness, I'm actually being quite generous. Even as a young child I would have run logical circles around most of these adults. We're practically not even the same species. |
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You supposedly have so much love for transgenders and those who are teased, and yet your message to them is to kill themselves. https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawmanI never advocated comitting suicide to avoid ANY suffering - a certain amount of pain is an inevitable part of human existence. Suicide shouldn't be impulsively done. It ought to be considered carefully, holistically in the context of one's personal experience of suffering so far, weighing the probability (and quantity) of more suffering to come. I am generally opposed to non-terminally-ill young people (let's say under ~20) committing suicide. I would discourage it in any suicidal youth, simply because life so often gets better. That said, I still hold that it is the inalienable right of every individual to make that choice for themselves, regardless of age or intellect. Shame.  |
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You seem to urge people into committing suicide as a way to get out of life escape potential suffering. Fixed that for you. |
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Christians aren't supposed to believe in reincarnation. I don't. My child, I'm afraid you haven't been paying attention to Teacher. Once again: Belief is not a choice. It's a compulsion beyond the realm of choice, based on observation/evidence; in science argument and consensus.
Desirability is not a requisite of the truth. I do not choose what I believe because I perceive it as the more attraction option. I'm compelled to believe what I think is true, whether I like it or not!
The truth does not require your approval. It simply is. I don't know of any religions that states that suicide is a good thing. It's murder (of oneself), and so it's a sin for Christians. Religion is how the power elite controlled the peasants for many generations before the Nation State took over that role. Fear is a prison for your mind. This tragic fear of divine retribution would likely prevent you from committing the self-mercy of suicide even if you were enduring days or week of torture. Not months, though, and certainly not years. Pain is an inexhaustible resource, just like pleasure. Under those circumstances, sooner or later your superstition would break, unable to bear the weight of such suffering. Eventually you'd come to your senses and end it. Deep down you know this to be true. |
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Unless atheists are afraid there is an afterlife they don't know about....
There is nothing to fear in death either way. If you assert that there's another life after this one, to remain logically consistent you must also accept the assertion that there is a third life after the next one, and a fourth life after that one, and so on ad infinatum. An afterlife is utterly meaningless without an after-afterlife. So for the sake of argument let's accept the wild premise that there is another life after this one. If that life is mostly pleasurable, great, you stick around and enjoy it. Should that life prove to be more painful than pleasurable, you can simply use suicide to skip it and move on to the next life in the chain. So as I've said before, there's nothing to fear in death - only suffering is worth fearing. We're in control, always, thanks to our ever-present ability to "opt out" of any life we don't like via suicide. |
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But, I have already asked myself what if God didn't exist, and the answer came back that God does exist. I feel bad for those who have not felt the power that the Holy Spirit gives. This one speaks honestly. His anecdote is totally congruent with the findings of the sciences (neurology & psychology) related to religious thought. The believer IS god. Your relationship with god is in reality a profound dynamic relationship with the self. Your ego. This is why god can seem so very REAL to you, because he IS real, God IS you! GOD = EGO Christianity is based on a false-dichotomy: Belief is not a choice. It's a compulsion beyond the realm of choice, based on observation/evidence; in science argument and consensus.
Desirability is not a requisite of the truth. I do not choose what I believe because I perceive it as the more attraction option. I'm compelled to believe what I think is true, whether I like it or not!The truth does not require your approval. It simply is. |
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Upbump for interesting thread.
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OP your title is an oxymoron. If you earned them, ipso facto they were not free. A trade occured.
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Science doesn't know for a fact that the human mind isn't something that operates partially outside the human brain. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. With regard to this current subject, what exactly are you saying? I'm saying the idea that human mind can operate outside the human brain is an extraordinarily wild claim, and therefore requires extraordinarily solid evidence to support its belief.  |
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Completely relevant. Why? Provided that they don't have some mental deterioration, their minds will have had 10,000 years to understand the simple sciences that show that God exists. These are (again) combined cause and effect, universe complexity, with entropy penetrating everything.
 Look at me, I'm BADecker, stringing a few big words together without any coherent meaning makes me a scientist! Yippee! |
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Science doesn't know for a fact that the human mind isn't something that operates partially outside the human brain. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. |
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Are you autistic?
Nope, I fall within the median standard deviation on the autistic spectrum. That's one of the first decent questions you've asked me, though! Not at all a bad guess. |
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If somebody makes it to age 1,000, we might say we are on to something. However, as soon as someone dies, we have to admit that we haven't quite conquered death, even if it is at 10,000 years.
That's true, but you're missing the point entirely. When people are living to be age 10,000 and illness is a term only for the history books, how relevant do you think religion will be to folks like that? |
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