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June 17, 2015, 08:20:37 PM
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It's unarticulated because it's not half as bad as you claim it to be
It's far worse than I claim it be. It's unarticulated because of generations of assholes humiliating, assaulting, or even murdering anyone who attempts to articulate it.



All that's left of that horrific legacy is the shaming and grandstanding on display in this thread by people with a dying worldview, people like you.

it appears as if feminists are going to end up even here in Bitcointalk soon
Wrong again. Feminists are already here, you're conversing with one right now.

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June 17, 2015, 08:27:04 PM
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I have seen the same statement many times before, but have yet to actually see a specific, real world example.
Please provide me with an example.
You have the internet available at your fingertips, the greatest compendium of knowledge ever assembled, accessible with convenience unimaginable to every generation that came before. Use it.

http://simplikation.com/why-sealioning-is-bad/
Why don't you tell me? I dont need to look at a bunch of whiny liberals on the internet, you will tell me on here, or maybe you can't because there are no real examples

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June 17, 2015, 08:47:48 PM
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Who was the first social justice warrior?



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June 17, 2015, 08:48:16 PM
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Who was the first social justice warrior?
Socrates.

I have seen the same statement many times before, but have yet to actually see a specific, real world example.
Please provide me with an example.
You have the internet available at your fingertips, the greatest compendium of knowledge ever assembled, accessible with convenience unimaginable to every generation that came before. Use it.

http://simplikation.com/why-sealioning-is-bad/
Why don't you tell me? I dont need to look at a bunch of whiny liberals on the internet, you will tell me on here, or maybe you can't because there are no real examples
"Ssealioning" - the act of jumping into a discussion with demands for evidence and answers to questions.

But why is it an awful thing to do? Why do people react so negatively to a request for evidence? Surely a reasoned, rational person would acquiesce to such a statement!

Well, no. And here's why.

Sunk Time
The biggest reason why people hate sealioning is because responding to it is a complete waste of time.

It's an insidious trap. Responding to questions asked reasonably is, of course, a natural thing for people to do. I like to do it myself; educating others is generally pretty entertaining, especially if they are receptive to learning. Dismissing those questions can appear condescending or rude, especially if you actually are condescending or rude.

Of course, these questions are not asked because the person genuinely wants to know. If they did, they would do their own digging based on your statements, and only ask for obscure or difficult-to-discover information. This is the "debate principle"; when you go to a debate, you educate yourself on the topics at hand, and only request evidence when a claim is either quite outlandish or unflinchingly obscure.

No, these questions are asked to make you waste your time. It works, too; I've responded to sealions before, answering all their questions and claims for evidence, only to be greeted by even more willful ignorance. It's a way to force you into responding to questions phrased neutrally but asked in bad faith.

Asking in Bad Faith
So what does asking in bad faith mean?

When you ask a question in bad faith, you are essentially looking for a way to demean, degrade, or otherwise destroy your target. A good example of an obviously bad faith question is the perennial favorite "When did you stop beating your wife?" as it instantly casts doubt upon the person asked the question.

However, it's easy to ask a question in bad faith using reasoned, good faith practices. Neutral phrasing does not always guarantee a question is asked in good faith. This is extremely obvious in documented sealioning; the target responds, only for the questioner to immediately grill them for more information, misinterpret the answer, or dismiss it entirely.

The purpose of sealioning never to actually learn or become more informed. The purpose is to interrogate. Much like actual interrogators, sealioners bombard the target with question after question, digging and digging until the target either says something stupid or is so pissed off that they react in the extreme.

Load The Question Cannons
All of this, of course, relies on asking a lot of questions, often with little-to-no downtime between volleys.

When the target is continually asked questions - especially the same question under a different phrasing, which is very common when sealioning - it's rattling. They have to fight the natural instinct to respond in good faith to neutrally-phrased questions, as answering them will only bring more. It's a forced violation of the empathy that a compassionate person feels towards others, as it pushes them into noticing that their questioners are not particularly interested in the questions themselves.

Compound this with being sealioned but multiple people, as is common on Twitter, and you've got a recipe for a very frustrating and fruitless timeline. If you respond, you are bombarded with even more questions by people who aren't asking to actually be convinced. If you do not respond, you are insulted as somebody who doesn't wish to participate in reasoned discourse, despite the clear and simple fact that such a discourse is not reasonable; it merely has the appearance of rationality.

Lose/Lose
Being sealioned is a lose/lose situation, unfortunately. Much like Global Thermonuclear War, the only winning move is not to play. In this case, block or dismiss sealioners and go about your normal business, letting them vent their frustrations out where you can't see them. It's much healthier for your psyche.

It's unfortunate that we must be suspicious of purportedly honest and neutral questions. Asking questions and being open is key to establishing dialogue and understanding one another. When you are the target of a sealion brigade, though, the purpose is to get you to waste your time responding to every little complaint, and falsely-amiable questions are the easiest way to get you to waste it.

So don't. Spend it doing more constructive activities, like making a game, talking to others genuinely interested in dialogue, or any form of self-care. You owe nothing - especially not answers - to a mob whose intent is to harass you.

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June 17, 2015, 08:51:22 PM
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Well if anyone here doubted the existence of SJW's then Beliathon basically helped prove the OP's point, the ironic thing is they're pretty sexist because they always paint women as helpless victims and opressed and also constantly attack men ( A lot of them are Misandrists pretending to care about equality ) and will often throw bullshit accusations at them.

I can understand where the term came from, but really these people are from an extremely ridiculous strand of feminism that basically treats all men, particularly white men as the enemy, they have no peaceful objective in mind and simply want to establish a matriarchy.

I still think regardless they should be called either Matriarchs or Misandrists, they're an aboslute insult to classical femnism and leftists everywhere.

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June 17, 2015, 08:55:05 PM
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Social justice warriors are like the hammers of socialism beating society into its warped worldview. This why socialism/marxism/communism/other social justice groups tend to practice similar tactics of obfuscation and conditioning. Dividing people by race, gender, sexual orientation, religion, class, etc is the favorite goal of the Marxist.

If you read Karl Marx's work, he very clearly describes a fracturing process that Marxism creates on society by creating infinite divisions and causing these groups to fight amongst themselves rather than go after their actual oppressors. This is the perfect environment for totalitarianism to thrive. History has shown socialism almost always ends in horrible failure as the targeted economy collapses, the fabric of society is systematically divided, and the people fight each other for the scraps that are left.
When it inevitably it doesn't work out, they just claim it wasn't "pure socialism" and dismiss all responsibility for the part socialism played in the failure.

Socialism is a little bit like santa clause. Everyone thinks it sounds great, but it is mostly believed by gullible children with very little knowledge of the world. Most adults realize santa clause can never be real, and adjust their behavior accordingly, while others scream about how racist/sexist/homophobic you are for not leaving out cookies and milk. You can stomp your feet and meddle with society all you want, it wont make santa real. If you think socialism is great, try talking to some one who lived in the USSR or the former Soviet blocks, see how utopian they think it really is.
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June 17, 2015, 08:59:23 PM
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Comparing the actions of your group
What group? What actions? That sounds like an unfair generalization if I ever heard one.

and ideology to Socrates is more insulting to me than anything you've said so far you arrogant fuck.
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ad-hominem

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June 17, 2015, 09:01:45 PM
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Comparing the actions of your group and ideology to Socrates is more insulting to me than anything you've said so far you arrogant fuck.


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June 17, 2015, 09:07:19 PM
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Still no answer to my question from beliathon. I have asked many times, its a pretty clear question, and if you are so knowledgeable about this topic than it should not take more than a couple seconds to reply and think about.
If it is this hard, maybe you should rethink your "movement"

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June 17, 2015, 09:08:20 PM
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Did I not use the right words? Tongue

Affiliation? Hyper-reactionary movement? Batshit crazy people?
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June 17, 2015, 09:09:19 PM
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Still no answer to my question from beliathon.
http://simplikation.com/why-sealioning-is-bad/

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June 17, 2015, 09:11:55 PM
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I have replied to yours, why not reply to mine now? You have pasted the same article 5 times and yes I have read it, but still do not have an answer.

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June 17, 2015, 09:12:25 PM
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Here is a simple chart demonstrating the cycle of socialism, and why it always ends in bondage.
http://commonsensegovernment.com/the-tytler-cycle-revisited/

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June 17, 2015, 09:12:59 PM
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I have replied to yours, why not reply to mine now? You have pasted the same article 5 times and yes I have read it, but still do not have an answer.

I'll answer for him "I don't have to read it because I KNOW I'm right! You fucking misgonystic racist asshole!" Cheesy
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June 17, 2015, 09:13:42 PM
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You have pasted the same article 5 times and yes I have read it, but still do not have an answer.
Either you didn't read it or you failed to comprehend it. In either case I must conclude that you are at best an idiot, at worst a liar.

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June 17, 2015, 09:17:02 PM
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You have pasted the same article 5 times and yes I have read it, but still do not have an answer.
Either you didn't read it or you failed to comprehend it. In either case I must conclude that you are at best an idiot, at worst a liar.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ad-hominem
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June 17, 2015, 09:21:01 PM
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You have pasted the same article 5 times and yes I have read it, but still do not have an answer.
Either you didn't read it or you failed to comprehend it. In either case I must conclude that you are at best an idiot, at worst a liar.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ad-hominem
It's only a logical fallacy if there is no observation involved, if said stupidity (or character flaw) is a baseless assumption rather than observed reality.

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June 17, 2015, 09:21:11 PM
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I have replied to yours, why not reply to mine now? You have pasted the same article 5 times and yes I have read it, but still do not have an answer.

I'll answer for him "I don't have to read it because I KNOW I'm right! You fucking misgonystic racist asshole!" Cheesy


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June 17, 2015, 09:21:40 PM
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You have pasted the same article 5 times and yes I have read it, but still do not have an answer.
Either you didn't read it or you failed to comprehend it. In either case I must conclude that you are at best an idiot, at worst a liar.

You are being stubborn by not answering my god damn question.
What "white privileged" is being experienced today? I certainty haven't been treated different than my minority friends by anyone!

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June 17, 2015, 09:22:46 PM
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What "white privileged" is being experienced today? I certainty haven't been treated different than my minority friends by anyone!
How would you know this? Were you there for every moment of their lives? This is an absurd claim.

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