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1781  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] BlackCoin (BC/BLK) | PoS | Multipool | Coinkite | WSJ | BlackHalo on: July 21, 2014, 08:01:46 AM
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All things being equal I have to agree with 7000years on the transparency issue. Yes I appreciate the stuff on github that is great. But if you would like continual marginal increase in both new investors and a steady growth rate we need to have consistent project announcements with some sort of ETA. Otherwise the project will look dead in the water.

If we want ETA we have to hire professional IT companies or exiting developers on another type agreements.
You will do XY job with stuff like that and we pay you 3000$ for that.
Then you need count cost of maintenance of such services...
Here 2 options.
1) We will pay per update.
2) We will pay in sercvice fee.

As community we need find services which we will USE not just have to show as FEATURE...
(to be fair who the fuck is using VeriSms Cheesy.. when they have 10+ online walets, Who is using XC mixin send when they have 250 on line wallets... )
Service have to be profitable people who are running it. 2nd rule here.

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Now on what in internet you are spending money ?
- Minnig shares in BC
- Speculation shares in BC ( you invest and someone for you is looking for shit coin invest
and pull off when get +100%, when you are tired looking for new crypto leave it people who know how to do it... )
- Mostly buy sell crypto
- Buy games.
- Virtual storage ( to download some stuff from Internet )
- Sometimes i buy preloaded credit cards
- Sometimes i was trying to use Virtual machines or minig.
- I need gateway to pay eg in android store and not gie my personal data that can be cool.

We need services with we will all be using !
Android app + android gateway to paying with BC in android store eg.

So mayby brain stom what we want to create. later we find people who will create it for real $ (we need ETA ,ETA = pay in $$ )
then USE service... all works then next.
We shouldn't creating BS services as... hmm encrypted measeages ( use IRC 20 encrypt algorythms avaible... )
We don't need encrypted mail ( that already exits )

We need find service which we will be using !!!!
EG:
http://www.gawminers.com/products/54-mh-s-the-war-machine-by-gaw-miners-asic-scrypt-miner-free-zencontroller-week-9/
Name it Black-group and gather people willing invest in BC ming for reson able price administrator of such service will get lets say 3% fee Cheesy...
He will use BC centric exchange to get BC for us... we won't force payouts so much to get best return.
1782  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] BlackCoin (BC/BLK) | PoS | Multipool | Coinkite | WSJ | BlackHalo on: July 20, 2014, 09:04:42 PM
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You all got some valid points.

Maybe it's too early, and there is still fear for all those crapcoins that might take investors away from serious coins like BC. I don't think it's possible, but you probably know better.

IMO, the fact that dickheads will create crapcoins and some other dickheads will invest their money on crap aiming for the quick profit should not bother you or anyone else. It's the same people doing it again and again. They are just chasing their own tails. They recycle their money and in the end they will realize that they have just wasted their time. Very few are going to make some profit. It's like betting. Nothing to worry about.

Don't forget one thing no matter how price looks like people are working around BC if they will work BC infrastructure will be to Big
to clone it in 2-3 days... it will take 1-2 YEARS and here is POINT.


BC or any other good coin to live need evolve it it will do it will grow over time and stuff around wont be copy paste in one day by one dev team.

BTC2.0 are BIG IPOs 2000-6000BTC - how it will go noone know IPO have own rules but big - of IPO is community wont take lead there like in BC
devs have money for full time developing but many folks like David Zimbeck are out this age... if you realize what he have done solo where people
in ethereum, bitshares are working on similar things for months you will get point that there is something beautiful in BC in such development.
I don't know where will BC go how it price will move over time anyway for me BC is 1st coin worth holding to be fair.

Holding is not enough i need invest Sad is hard to invest in hard times haha... is hard to invest when price goes down  but we need hold strong and wait for sun.
1783  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: FUTURE OF ALTCOIN - Graveyard Market - what needs to be done? on: July 20, 2014, 08:39:52 PM
Promote trading on good exchanges... where are only valuable coin with something unique active devs who improve "core protocools"
not magic features which can be buildo ANY coin from BTC to XXX.
I wait BC centric exchange DEVs promisses add only stron and innovative coins 0 shit clones.

That could be some solution IMO.

Sad is that GREED can not be stopped anyway...

LTC train and followers...
Doge train... and followers...
BC train and followers...
DRK train and followers...

to be fair most of those coins were made to get free BTC on markets from manipulations
i believe many of there are produce by same scam devs all the time !!!

Whole bittrex market is big LOTTO market those are not currencies those are lotto coupons
and believe me 90% of them is junk... or will be junk in month or two...
Whole crypto scene slowly is looking like BIG trash bin.

PS: CoinX devs grats for trashing crypto scene for alt creation service...

1784  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] BlackCoin (BC/BLK) | PoS | Multipool | Coinkite | WSJ | BlackHalo on: July 20, 2014, 08:11:44 PM
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Noone can steal something that is open and noone can claim he coded it. Sure they will all reuse it instantly. But that would only add value to the original devs and the coin they develop. That's how I see it. Again, I might be wrong here.

But that don't work that way : (...
you need to face fact that alts now are lotto game
whre you are looking for lucky coins and you want sell on pump.
Top 20 market cap coin clones BC online 10-250 wallets and 5m market cap...
http://bitinfocharts.com/comparison/nodes-doge-bc-xc-vrc.html  - just look and be honest whre are those transaparent
developments leads ?... no where : ( userbase is not increasing
look how Doge is collapsing price doesn't matter if people want use crypto or not
as you see people are avoiding using crypto that is main problem not development.
Idiots who cloning coins to get free BTC from scams are ruining whole ecosystem.

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When we were going out with cool ideas ( Halo,POS2.0 ) anyway noone was interested in such kind development
as you see in charts people invest there where is chance of max % gain at the end.
In reality true pressure up none can stop there is no manipulation i saw 100 BTC buy walls destroyed one after another in DRK...
In BC there is no interest at this lvl to many coins copied BC code i think there will be about 150+ today : )...


Why BC is diffrent than any copy BC clone... in real any coin can make wallet feature if it is good BTC folks will copy it in hour when needed...
The real diffrence btween coins is:
-protocol
-energy / resource efficient
-network security

Coins aka BTC2.0 in reality all those features can be build on BTC protocol just BTC folks need motivation to build it that is all.
Current 2.0 coins are just big IPOs who are making features upon exiting core protocols or rewriting core protocols and modifying it.
Any next gen coin can be replace by gen 1.0 with hard work of devs...
1785  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] BlackCoin (BC/BLK) | PoS | Multipool | Coinkite | WSJ | BlackHalo on: July 20, 2014, 11:13:38 AM
One thing at the end to be fair i prefer such development in shadow and improving coin over time than
loud annouces with game braking stuff...

1st example Cinni... encrypted messages bla bla features pump 25k and now 3k
because noone in REAL cares about coin so much, because ALL was focused around ONE guy
who developed wallet once he left all collapsed... IN BC is different no ETAs but many developers
working on own projects arround. Which coin will have bigger value in longer time ?
Smart investors will know. Those who are for quick $ won't have any interest in BC at all because no ETAs
no pumps.
1786  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] BlackCoin (BC/BLK) | PoS | Multipool | Coinkite | WSJ | BlackHalo on: July 20, 2014, 11:04:47 AM
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Well, that's what I'm talking about. Inside information. This is the problem when developing behind closed doors.
If this is not changed, the coin will never get away from the hands of those who manipulate the price. Also, the low price is suitable for their games.

But no one have game braking  "Inside information" after last "pump" fails with Blackhalo and POS2.0
nothing at the end manipulators didn't had their pump... price bounced +10% maybe just because one investor putted 450 BTC into
real buy wall.

You need understand that all are private projects you cannot force people share every information they have.


After you wake up and you will see how makers are HARD manipulated you will see there is not many TRUE investors
most people in mintpal invest in therm of week just look at those chart:
http://bitinfocharts.com/comparison/nodes-bc-xc-vrc.html

this shows ONLINE wallets how those stars are popular and how many people are using those coin in real
rest people "investors" just keep coin on exchange to sell on 1st pump ASAP.
Most people can't look for real facts for real informations.
( coin on exchanges are for sell not for hold long )

PS:I am sorry that we can not provide you any road map.
Manipulator are every where just look eg on XC and 150-250 online wallets is that real coin at 6m market cap : (.
I don't say that is XC VRC are bad coins but i want point that how prices are manipulated by few by news ETA road maps
no one cares about real work behind all and all want sell ASAP no one USE those worthless features.
No one is using XC VRC features... this is sad whole market cap arround 5m is just manipulation not
real price.

PPS: Overs 100+ coins copied BC code... Greed and "next BC train" ruined many people.
90% of them had beautiful road maps plans ext most of them failed while BC is moving forward
with people who works for something more than just profit.
1787  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][MIN] Minerals - POS. Fair Distribution. E-SPORTS BETTING TEST WENT LIVE! on: July 19, 2014, 11:51:21 PM
...People lose interest if development takes so long. 1 week in crypto time = 1 year in real life. At least with anon there would have been interest in the coin while the development happens until whenever it is finished....

All the cryptocoins with no plans and no purpose that have anon trades at high prices. ...

Now you need face with that development take a lot of TIME...
Anon - is already done ring transactions : ) and XMR, BNC... (no chance to beat them )
in US they ban anon currencies so think 2x if we realy want anon in Min.
I guess not we need people who will bet that is all...
1788  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] BlackCoin (BC/BLK) | PoS | Multipool | Coinkite | WSJ | BlackHalo on: July 19, 2014, 10:24:56 PM
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I disagree 100% with this mentality. It's entirely wrong. Not having a transparent development model (public and up to date roadmap with milestones, public bug tracker, public code commits, decent communication with the community of investors), apart from being a kind of mentality of 1980, makes it possible to play games with inside information, which IMO is exactly what is happening in case of BC. P&Ds happen because some traders exploit the surprise. If development was transparent, such surprises would be very limited and thus p&d action could be limited to minimum.

BC does not have fully transparent development and games are most obviously are being played behind the scenes. Nevertheless, it has a good dev team and it's a serious coin.


Here we go... so XC core code 1commit noone is working source code... or is closed source
https://github.com/atcsecure/X11COIN

Now BC (3330 commits - code updates... this are thousands of lines of code) :
https://github.com/rat4/blackcoin/commits/master

REAL CODE DEVELOPMENT is transparent.
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Side developers:
Rat4 - core developer he have OWN vision ( believe me he have own road for BC in head )
David Zimback he work on he own he delivers when he delivers it takes time but stuff is outstanding...
Black wave labs they work on their own too...
Maarx works on his own too..

Foundation... as i see mostly represents BC outside but also helps developers when need
it goes sometimes better sometimes bad... but they are trying to do it.
Articles coordination when needed works.

BC is place where something like that ROAD map doesn't exist BC is growing on their own none in real is true boss here.
Foundation as far i see is trying represent BC and helping developers (like David when some back up is needed like news ext...).
1789  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] BlackCoin (BC/BLK) | PoS | Multipool | Coinkite | WSJ | BlackHalo on: July 19, 2014, 09:49:33 PM
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Regarding the schedule: If you want to create pumps and dumps, that is a good thing. Fortunately all developers involved in BC want to prevent that from happening, that is why you will rarely see ETAs and the usual P&D action around such dates.
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No ETA just add stuff is great for people who want invest in real.
Better is to not have ETA butt deliver and bouild who are smart will buy good coin who are dump...

Will go on bitterx seek new starts they are rising every day 2-3 new... +100%:D every days -99% too anyway action is there.


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Once i learn to use adobe after effects i will make some good propaganda videos what was delivered Cheesy...
and what will be.

1790  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] BlackCoin (BC/BLK) | PoS | Multipool | Coinkite | WSJ | BlackHalo on: July 18, 2014, 01:43:23 PM
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Main problem is that most investors moved to XC long ago because reasons...

I would say it was more or less like that Jherek ( when BC multi pool hype was over ):
 
BC > WC > Cinni >XLB > VRC > XC... ( Voot, RDD, Cloak ) ( one of them will get new pump token for sure )

After some time those people who were putting here most BS on BC ended on twitter organizing PnD...
They were boiling when price didn't rise on news...
In reality most of those people were interested in short term profit.
You can understand that after storm is over.

Also you will understand that in reality BC is decentralized structure like hell no one rule here.
Foundation don’t  have any clear road map all we work around BC and trying back up projects.
Something is more effective something is less… developers like rat4,David,drunkonsouds they work on their own.
No straight time lines or dead lines they are helping each other when that is need.

Same goes to foundation they have done many good things they are working for free everybody are making mistakes…
But when price is not rising that is their fault… (at least most morons thinks like that )

I realized that price can’t go forever up no matter how you will try.
And people like to grab one feature coin to get +500% in week than wait for long term profit.

1791  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: NXT/NEM or Monero/Bytecoin? on: July 18, 2014, 12:16:17 PM
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there is 176094 wallet addresses holding between 10-100 doge coin..
and your NEM will distribute to what.. few thousands people. which last time i checked there is like ~1500 unique users in BTT. so already we can see there are people taking more then one stake.
and then what. where will the new influx of new people will come to NEM coin come from? What is it offering that is different? is it good enough to grow in numbers not just in $$volumes?
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Doge with wallets over 1$ is... 153,956 OK but now...  fail build of doge is in POW...
when reward will drop to 10000 hash-rate will drop to 8Ghs while LTC will have 300Ghs one big farm
can wipe Doge network in future... and ruin your economy, this is fail of Doge POW build...
Doge moving into POS then will be some solution, and you will be forced into that this is only matter of time.
Mark my worlds after few double sped attack POW party will be OVER.


Coins without inflation can't rise forever Doge won't rise too...
Doge in 1st day didn't have 1500 users so is hard to compare to NEM today let it be released and observe...
Look at Doge network how is collapsing over time here you have number wallets over time:
85 000 wallet to -> 15 000 today... still impressive but i talk about trend and you will understand that ( 153,956 number addresses means not too much)
Doge is not in real use. that is the point Doge network is not expanding.
PS: I am Doge fan too but chart is terrible but true.

1792  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Are PoS coins secure and reliable? on: July 18, 2014, 11:42:20 AM
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gen 2.0 PoS coins can and do more than legacy PoW coins, and use less energy too.

To be fair any of those feature can be done for POW coin too difference is that in POW
coin developers don't have so much motivation to hard work because miners can dump on them...
and devaluate their work while POS developers are building their kingdoms with vision in head.

POS coins usually like to make shock features which leads to PUMP but that feature in reality
can be ported between any other POW / POS coin on existing protocol.
DRK and anon is great example of feature race...

On blockchain you can make many magic tweaks also assent exchange p2p smart contracts ext...

gen 2.0 POS in real as "features" doesn't matter so much in that case
need fast protocol, low energy cost and low resource requirements and good security
those are challenges !
not pump features who no one in real use...
1793  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [CLOAK] Cloakcoin | No Premine | X13 | Decentralized Market and PoSA on: July 18, 2014, 10:40:40 AM
OneMarket = OneMarket

but: consider using a top level hierarchy filter eg Light, Dark. To change filter to Dark (or All) display a highly generic disclaimer / notice / eula that some content may offend / or be against the law in your jurisdiction and to enter at your own risk & responsibility bla bla etc etc.

What is difference between bitxbay and onemarket ? ( bitxbay is also open source and used on dark/light side of Internet )

http://coinbrief.net/bitxbay-bitcoin-decentralized-market/
1794  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Are PoS coins secure and reliable? on: July 18, 2014, 10:18:06 AM
Yes, a PoS system will use less energy, but that doesn't make it superior.

3g cell towers use less energy than 4g cell towers. Which kind of cell service do you prefer?

If 3g can do all the same 4g can do and even much more and use less energy, which would you prefer?

Pow coins just waste power for nothing whole job which they do have no real sense.
In POW higher power consumption doesn't mean that BTC is 1000x faster than it was 4years ago... but it consume 10000x more power
that energy is wasted !...

Now POW vs POW is more like
100W lamp vs 10W LED light and same amount of  LUX  in output


in POS tablet = big GPU/Asic farm in POW
where is future ? BOTH devices can do SAME job...
...in what direction world is going is obvious.

Here ? POW


Or: POS

1795  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] BlackCoin (BC/BLK) | PoS | Multipool | Coinkite | WSJ | BlackHalo on: July 18, 2014, 08:06:37 AM
Any incoming good news or events? I am a bagholder now Cry

Biggest having REAL impact on economy will be BC centralized exchange new sort of TRUE demand.
Black coin show in Chicago conference maybe some big  BTC people will invest into BC who knows
Or help us develop stuff.



As you see PnD squads are left BC after whole mess with twitter pumpers like
Wizz IconicExpert… (and any other early investors who just cashed out left )
 people who follow them they just pump and dump coins and jump to another.

While facts are good for us.
On IRC everyday is 220 -250 people… so we are live.
1  We are best stacking coins POS network…
http://bitinfocharts.com/comparison/nodes-bc.html
2 Good developers who works when coin is falling or rising.
3 Community who is with BC from day 1 and some new people are coming too.
But those who are joining are seeing BC potential they are not for PnD.

PS: i believe next PnD will be RDD or Voot if you think in short therm. play.
RDD look like that one who can dump VRC and is rollback free.
1796  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Are PoS coins secure and reliable? on: July 18, 2014, 07:43:45 AM
you can rely on hash limit, to take out big gpu farm and asic, new generation of coins should do hash limit, as a mandatory feature
All feature can be abused unfortunately...

VPNs, Proxiex, VirtualMashines... there won't be a perfect world in crypto.

... They cry scam to everything that doesn't let them mine and dump for a profit.
And naturally PoS coins don't let them mine and dump, hence they cry foul as soon as they see the word 'PoS' in a sentence.
+1
1797  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: NXT/NEM or Monero/Bytecoin? on: July 18, 2014, 07:26:10 AM
...while with POS the communities are slower. ...

LOL what did LTC in last year ?

What did NXT,BC... much more while miners are focus on mine price POS communities are building kingdoms and develop to expand.
That is mainly different.

POS coin are building developing much faster than any POW one ( except BTC )...
POS coin have MORE motivation to do it than miners...
1798  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: NXT/NEM or Monero/Bytecoin? on: July 18, 2014, 07:20:52 AM
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POW is preaty similar here in proportional distribution...Early movers WIN.
try now mine 10 000 BTC for pizza
your missing the point. POW coin as long as it miniable it keeps having one more group of people more then pos coins. the miners.
as far as earlyminers/insta mining that equivalent to = early investor or for Nxt case bad IPO distribution.

Yea but that laptop which mined 10 000 BTC in week before today can mine 0,00001day BTC...


While in POS to end eternity you mine eg 1% like with BC,PPC...you get proportional reward for whole life..
in BTC your reward is dropping.

In POW and POS early mover have advantage.

POS minig is fair for whole eternity always 1% early or later...
POW minig reward is dropping over time...

There is no perfect system.
1799  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: NXT/NEM or Monero/Bytecoin? on: July 18, 2014, 07:10:28 AM
You can mine NXT indirectly at http://hashrate.org if you're interested.

ironically they depend for POW coins to do this.

But how many people were minig Doge for LTC because of profitability ?
How many was minig LTC for getting BTC ?
many...
Both economies works similar here you took most profitable way...
you mine not for spending coin but mostly for selling bag for $$ next coming people.
1800  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: NXT/NEM or Monero/Bytecoin? on: July 18, 2014, 07:03:44 AM
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POS coin = only way to get them is by buying some one else bag. only one limited gateway to enter the network

POW coin = two ways. buying some one else bag or mining. two gateways to enter the network
....

POS coin can be mined indirectly too by any alt mining POOL like coinking ,blackcoinpool...


...
So POS? it has the green efficiency but it lacks fair distributions. and its closed looped. ...

Early POW miners allso have 10000+ BTC mined with simple laptops...
you forgot about pizza guy and 10 000BTC.

POW is preaty similar here in proportional distribution...Early movers WIN.
try now mine 10 000 BTC for pizza
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