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1461  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: ETC (Classic Ethereum) presented their Declaration of Independence on: August 11, 2016, 03:34:51 PM
What a crock of shit. The declaration of independence of an ETC criminal coin brought into life behind the smokescreen of immutibility purely so that the DAO attacker can cash out on his villanious plunder. And you fools are falling for it hook, line, and stinker.

You should be banned from this forum if you continue to interfere in every ETC/ETH thread. All you can do is to write the same yada yada. Maybe the multi millionaires like Barry Silbert, Chandler Guo and (arguably) Charlie Lee cares about the DAO attacker/s?! YOU HAVE NO BRAIN! Pure and simple...
1462  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Does someone have info on the FIBRE megapump? on: August 11, 2016, 03:05:40 PM
Yeah, dead like Fedora (TIPS). I have accumulated like 3 billion coins, half of which I sold @ 2-3 litoshi and look what happened 5 months ago....
1463  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: ETC (Classic Ethereum) presented their Declaration of Independence on: August 11, 2016, 03:03:26 PM
He still has (if I remember correctly) about 3.6 million ETC and he can cash them out no matter what the ETC devs do (except a hard fork, which is against their beliefs). How can he sell them, without exposing his identity is another story.
1464  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / ETC (Classic Ethereum) presented their Declaration of Independence on: August 11, 2016, 02:08:46 PM
It was announced less than an hour ago and I still didn't read it, but we can discuss it later. Link: https://ethereumclassic.github.io/assets/ETC_Declaration_of_Independence.pdf

EDIT: Well, I've read it and it sounds about right. I am not ETC, nor ETH supporter, but I must say that I like (in case they are doing it for the sake of decentralisation and they are sincere) what the people who stood behind ETC did.

Quote
Let it be known to the entire world that on July 20th, 2016, at block 1,920,000, we as a community of sovereign
individuals stood united by a common vision to continue the original Ethereum blockchain that is truly free from censorship, fraud or third party interference. In realizing that the blockchain represents absolute truth, we stand by it, supporting its immutability and its future. We do not make this declaration lightly, nor without forethought to the consequences of our actions.
 
Looking Back

It should be stated with great gratitude that we acknowledge the creation of the Ethereum blockchain platform by the Ethereum Foundation and its founding developers. It certainly can be said without objection, that without their hard work and dedication that we as a community would not be where we are today.

From its inception, the Ethereum blockchain was presented as a decentralized platform for “applications that run exactly as programmed without any chance of fraud, censorship, or third-party interference”1. It provided a place for the free association of ideas and applications from across the globe without fear of discrimination while also providing pseudonymity. In this decentralized platform, many of us saw great promise.

List of Grievances

It is however, with deep regret, that we as a community have had to spontaneously organize2 to defend the Ethereum blockchain platform from its founding members and organization due to a long train of abuses, specifically by the leadership of the Ethereum Foundation. These grievances are as follows.
 
● For rushing the creation of a “soft fork,” which was comprised of a minor change in the Ethereum blockchain code for the sole purpose of creating a blacklist and censoring transactions that normally would have been allowed.

● For neglecting the full implications of the “soft fork” by the Ethereum blockchain as a warning that they were violating the principles and values coded therein.3

● For creating an unrepresentative voting mechanism called the “carbon vote”, which they initially stated was “unofficial”4 only to contradict these statements a day before determining to hard fork.5

● For rushing the creation of a “hard fork,” which was comprised of an irregular state change  in the Ethereum blockchain code that violated the properties of immutability, fungibility, and the sanctity of the ledger.

● For willfully deciding to not include replay protection in the “hard fork”, an action which has unnecessarily cost exchanges and thousands of users the rightful ownership of their Ether tokens.6

1  https://ethereum.org/
2  https://www.reddit.com/r/EthereumClassic/comments/4u4o61/call_for_action_what_can_i_do_to_help_ethereum/
3  https://blog.ethereum.org/2016/06/28/security-alert-dos-vulnerability-in-the-soft-fork/
4  https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/4s0rz6/a_vote_that_nobody_knows_about_is_not_a_vote/d55nye3
5  https://blog.ethereum.org/2016/07/15/to-fork-or-not-to-fork/
6  https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CopwJVHXEAABEKd.jpg


Respecting the Values Essential for Blockchains

One might ask what harm can be done from changing the code of the Ethereum blockchain and bailing out7 “The DAO” token holders, which is not an unreasonable question. Many of us have an innate sense of right and wrong, so at first glance rescuing "The DAO" felt right. However, it violated two key aspects of what gives peer-to-peer cash8 and smart contract-based systems value: fungibility and immutability.

Immutability means the blockchain is inviolable. That only valid transactions agreed upon via a cryptographic protocol determined by mathematics are accepted by the network. Without this, the validity of all transactions could come into question, since if the blockchain is mutable, any transaction could be modified. Not only does this leave transactions open to fraud, but it might spell disaster for any distributed application running atop the platform.

Fungibility is the feature of money where one unit equals another unit. For instance, a Euro equals another Euro just as a Bitcoin equals another Bitcoin. Unfortunately, an ETH no longer equals another ETH. The alleged attacker’s ETH was no longer as good as your ETH and was worthy of censorship, deemed necessary by a so-called majority.

Ultimately, these breeches in fungibility and immutability were made possible by the subjective morality judgements of those who felt a burning desire to bring the alleged attacker to justice. However, in doing so they compromised a core pillar of Ethereum just to do what they felt was in the interests of the “greater good”. In a global community where each individual has their own laws, customs, and beliefs, who is to say what is right and wrong?

Deeply alarmed that these core tenets were disregarded by many of the Foundation’s developers, and a sizable portion of Ethereum participants, we, as a community, have organized and formed a code of principles to follow for the Ethereum Classic chain.

The Ethereum Classic Code of Principles

We believe in a decentralized, censorship-resistant, permission-less blockchain. We believe in the original vision of Ethereum as a world computer that cannot be shut down, running irreversible smart contracts. We believe in a strong separation of concerns, where system forks of the codebase are only possible when fixing protocol level vulnerabilities, bugs, or providing functionality upgrades. We believe in the original intent of building and maintaining a censorship-resistant, trustless and immutable development platform.

Herein are written the declared values by which participants within the Ethereum Classic community agree. We encourage that these principles not be changed via edict by any individual or faction claiming to wield power, authority or credibility to do so.

7 https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/bailout
8 https://bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf


We, as a community agree that:

● The purpose of Ethereum Classic is to provide a decentralized platform that runs decentralized applications which execute exactly as programmed without any possibility of downtime, censorship, fraud or third party interference.

● Code is law; there shall be no changes to the Ethereum Classic code that violate the properties of immutability, fungibility, or sanctity of the ledger; transactions or ledger history cannot for any reason be reversed or modified.

● Forks and/or changes to the underlying protocol shall only be permitted for updating or upgrading the technology on which Ethereum Classic operates.

● Internal project development can be funded by anyone, whether via a trusted third party of their choice or directly, using the currency of their choice on a per project basis and following a transparent, open and decentralized crowdfunding protocol.

● Any individual or group of individuals may propose improvements, enhancements, or upgrades to existing or proposed Ethereum Classic assets.

● Any individual or group of individuals may use the Ethereum Classic decentralized platform to build decentralized applications, hold crowdsales, create autonomous organisations/corporations, or for any other purpose they deem suitable.


Looking Forward

For the many reasons listed above, we have chosen to rename the original blockchain “Ethereum Classic” with the ticker symbol “ETC”, so that the community and all other participants can identify the original, unforked, and immutable blockchain platform.

Our most sincere gratitude goes to those developers within and outside the Foundation who opposed interfering with the Ethereum blockchain ledger and enabled the Ethereum Classic chain to survive and live on. We know there are many of you and we welcome you at anytime to join our decentralized community.

We will continue the vision of decentralized governance for the Ethereum Classic blockchain and maintain our opposition to any centralized leadership takeover, especially by the Ethereum Foundation as well as the developers who have repeatedly stated that they would no longer develop the Ethereum Classic chain.

We likewise will openly resist the “tyranny of the majority,” and will not allow the values of the system to be compromised. As a united community, we will continue to organize for the defense and advancement, as required, for the continuation and assurance of this grand experiment. The Ethereum Classic platform, its code and technology, are now open to the world as Open Source software.9 It is now freely available for all who wish to improve and build upon it: a truly free and trustless world computer that we together as a community have proven and will continue to prove is anti-fragile.10

- The Ethereum Classic Community

9  https://github.com/ethereumproject
10 Antifragile: Things That Gain from Disorder by Nassim Nicholas Taleb
1465  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: ShogDite / Let it ride ICO Scam on: August 11, 2016, 01:39:35 PM
F*ck, currently I can't pay even $10 for our block explorer (don't want to take even a penny from other members of the team), yet such obvious scams are gathering 100s of BTC. A lot of guys are contributing for free, but such scammers are making things harder and harder.
1466  Economy / Games and rounds / Re: 1000 BTC Giveaway Update Thread [rekcahxfb] [Signed Message] on: August 11, 2016, 01:31:35 PM
Don't tell me that you actually believed it will happen? Cheesy Come on, that's like $600k. I posted for the fun, because who knows - I might end up with 0.01 BTC for free, but 1k...
1467  Economy / Games and rounds / Re: 1000 BTC Giveaway Update Thread [rekcahxfb] [Signed Message] on: August 11, 2016, 12:52:36 PM
Congratulations to 1NYT1f6Mbty6iZiHPQtM5fDSmSKk6e2HKN who has been 'randomly' selected to win 1000 BTC!

https://blockchain.info/tx/af467a1dac5c0f80f606d51596f3f5bff361533a96345bd21754cada15487c2e

Yeah, right... Is this address taken from Reddit?
1468  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Ethereum Classic Is A Scam on: August 11, 2016, 09:37:02 AM
@Minecache

NEVER change !

I love your posts LOL "criminal coin" ?  Cheesy

If ETC is a scam than what the fuck is ETH ?

Original ICO SCAM .

He will never understand that question. We currently have 2 sides:
1. The one is who gathered hundreds of millions via crowdsale, failed and decided to hard fork in order to reverse what happened. No matter if people invested having other expectations and bought at higher prices.
2. And the second one who decided to support the "abandoned" chain for the sake of decentralisation, no matter if the DAO attacker/s has/have the ability to dump the market. These are the "true criminals" and deserve to spend some time in San Quentin!!!
1469  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: PAYCOIN XPY Future | Development | Foundation | Roadmap | Community on: August 11, 2016, 08:54:53 AM
How you didn't know that? Smiley As far as I remember there was no PayCoin thread on btctalk, but there was a coin with the same name which launched long before Garza's scam: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=268941.0
1470  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Ethereum Classic Is A Scam on: August 11, 2016, 07:42:54 AM
I BELIEVE ETC IS THE CRIMINALS CHOICE OF COIN AND CHAIN, THUS A SCAM.

Gud to have cleared that one up for you.

Simple question demanding a simple answer: If ETC is a scam, what was the DAO then?


But this thread is about the ETC criminal coin, not the DAO. But since you're after a quick simple answer:

DAO <> ETC

Yeah, lets forget the hundreds of millions invested in the DAO. You are really something and as of now I will not bother reading any of your threads or "opinions". Smiley I will later (or tomorrow) create new thread with facts about ETH, the DAO and ETC.
1471  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Ethereum Classic Is A Scam on: August 11, 2016, 06:46:49 AM
I BELIEVE ETC IS THE CRIMINALS CHOICE OF COIN AND CHAIN, THUS A SCAM.

Gud to have cleared that one up for you.

Simple question demanding a simple answer: If ETC is a scam, what was the DAO then?

1472  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Does someone have info on the FIBRE megapump? on: August 11, 2016, 06:01:41 AM
Can't you see that their blockchain is not operational? It's easy to notice that. Someone also mentioned something about a 51% attack. All the tradings on Fibre were with coins on the exchanges and probably someone tried to create some speculation and earn some extra BTC.
1473  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Ethereum Classic Is A Scam on: August 11, 2016, 05:56:32 AM
David Seaman tweeted several times after my question, but he didn't responded. Also, that happened: https://twitter.com/barryslibert
Someone is now impersonating Barry Silbert. Typical troll behaviour. If ETC is a scam, then I'm not sure what to say about the ETH fork and the TheDAO. People invested $150-200mm, but all the EF had to say was "TheDAO was our biggest project and... it failed". 
1474  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Someone offering 12.5 BTC to tweet about Steem! on: August 10, 2016, 07:20:33 PM
I think it's good to try your luck, not too difficult to do this.

Of course it's good. You only need to forget some principles and start promoting a ponzi scheme for a "chance to win" 12.5 BTC.

And he fuck his reputation on the social networks. Good!

I changed my mind and decided to downvote it and post that it is a scam. Too many n00bs will screw up their social network reputations.

Actually, I was about to call you a hypocrite for upvoting this, but I don't like (and it is not my job) to judge people.
1475  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Someone offering 12.5 BTC to tweet about Steem! on: August 10, 2016, 06:41:29 PM
I think it's good to try your luck, not too difficult to do this.

Of course it's good. You only need to forget some principles and start promoting a ponzi scheme for a "chance to win" 12.5 BTC.
1476  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Someone offering 12.5 BTC to tweet about Steem! on: August 10, 2016, 06:09:28 PM
Let's see how much he will make with that post. Grin
1477  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Ethereum Classic Is A Scam on: August 10, 2016, 04:39:56 PM
This is my personal question to him. At least I am trying to create discussions, while you are continuing with your pointless threads and lack of own opinion. Let see what happens next:

1478  Economy / Games and rounds / Re: 1000 BTC Giveaway Update Thread [rekcahxfb] [Signed Message] on: August 10, 2016, 04:16:08 PM
Don't believe that this would happen, but what the hell...

14Mxd4ymk48gKXRnJhziTTBv2xUMCTbn71

P.S. Noticed the old (locked) thread just today.
1479  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Please help us to choose a new FailCommunity's logo. on: August 10, 2016, 12:16:52 PM
go with the guy slipping + the funky FAIL (backwards f)
(place the wording between his upheld hands)

Why don't you try to give an example of this? Smiley
1480  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Swiscoin joke on: August 10, 2016, 11:49:30 AM
Swiscoin not joke.  Serious coin very it be go to Moon.  Plant flag.  Claim moon for Swis.  You jealous cuz you no have Swiscon.  Has 2.5 billions coin and you has zero.  You laugh now.  Swis laugh later.  Cuz on moon with flag.

Market capital such wow!  $100 billions of dollars.


We've been there so you can't surprise me. Cheesy

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