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1041  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Help me pick the Litecoin logo! on: October 23, 2011, 08:06:13 PM
Oops, I accidently screwed up the poll and lost the previous vote counts. Here they are:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=47417.msg583693#msg583693    8 (17%)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=47417.msg583846#msg583846    9 (19.1%)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=47417.msg585107#msg585107    5 (10.6%)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=47417.msg585829#msg585829    6 (12.8%)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=47417.msg584696#msg584696    17 (36.2%)
Other    2 (4.3%)

I've locked the voting. Since kano's logo is winning by far and I liked BitcoinPorn's logo a bit more, I will start a new poll with just those 2. Whoever wins that poll will be the official Litecoin logo.

Will mine be included this time?  Grin

Guess not.  Cheesy

Sorry johnj, yours barely missed the cut. :p

The new poll is up: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=49563.0
1042  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Help me pick the Litecoin logo! (final round between 2 logos) on: October 23, 2011, 08:05:11 PM
I prefer BitcoinPorn's logo a bit more since it captures the "lite" feel for Litecoin, but I really like kano's logo also. Help me pick the official Litecoin logo! The winner will become the Litecoin logo. And the designer gets 300 LTC reward.
1043  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Help me pick the Litecoin logo! on: October 23, 2011, 08:01:57 PM
Oops, I accidently screwed up the poll and lost the previous vote counts. Here they are:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=47417.msg583693#msg583693    8 (17%)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=47417.msg583846#msg583846    9 (19.1%)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=47417.msg585107#msg585107    5 (10.6%)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=47417.msg585829#msg585829    6 (12.8%)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=47417.msg584696#msg584696    17 (36.2%)
Other    2 (4.3%)

I've locked the voting. Since kano's logo is winning by far and I liked BitcoinPorn's logo a bit more, I will start a new poll with just those 2. Whoever wins that poll will be the official Litecoin logo.
1044  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Litecoin - a lite version of Bitcoin. Launched! on: October 23, 2011, 07:50:56 PM
The website is a template, maybe took 45 min, the wiki is nearly devoid of any information and much of what actually is there, has been copy pasted from the btc wiki.  Both sites could be hosted in their current state for under $5 a month. (by the way, at the time of writing this the site is down, maybe he scammed his host too?)

The fact that he screwed over multiple good people on this forum is OK because he did you a personal favor?

Your OK with the fact that your users' computers could be compromised and only until it happens will you take action as opposed to taking preventative measures?  You realize people have more sensitive info than Litecoins on their computers right?  You should respect that more. Not very considerate to undermine the security of the general user base.

I understand you may have personal trust for him (perhaps unfounded), however letting him run the main litecoin site and wiki raises concern as to the level of respect you have for your users' security.

Note: What really shows you his character when he keeps peoples money after not delivering the purchased item, and expects others to shoulder his financial follies.

All the above is my opinion, nothing less, nothing more; this was written with the utmost concern of the community in mind and no disrespect was intended.

Because I don't have the time and resources to do everything myself, I will have to trust people to help me. Like I've said before, terrytibbs has spent more time and effort than anyone else other than myself into this project. Your 45 minute estimate is way off the mark. In my dealings with terrytibbs, I know that I can trust him with the web hosting. I can trust him with this more than any other person on this forum or on IRC. Or should I trust you instead? You can do the website in 45 minutes and only have to pay $5 for web hosting, so do you want to take over? What if you are actually Tom Williams from mybitcoin.com. How would I know? All I can go by is from my personal history with people.

And why do people trust me? I could easily put malware in the binaries I create. The only thing you can go by is my previous posts here on the forum. So if you trust me, I ask you to trust my judgement on who I choose to help me host the Litecoin websites. If you don't trust my judgement here, then you should probably not visit those websites and only read this forum.

This is the last thing I will say about this issue here. If you want to continue this discussion, please start a new thread.

1045  Other / Archival / Re: delete on: October 23, 2011, 07:11:14 PM
RS has always mentioned that he wants to have GPU and CPU on the same level, not to ban GPUs completly, it looks like that was reached... sure it also helped promoting SC. It's funny how everybody else jumped on the CPU-train after RS published the idea and published some altchains, which are not far from death now, except maybe LTC  Grin

FYI, ArtForz talked in IRC about a CPU-only chain before SC1 was taken down, and way before RS mentioned the CPU-only idea. So don't assume that ArtForz stole his idea.
1046  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: CH caught lying about SC 2.0 hashrates on: October 23, 2011, 07:09:23 PM
Whats the problem? The first hashrate had a bug, he tried to fix it, but introduced another bug. Now it hopefully is correct... But maybe you are right, this is a big conspiracy...

It may not be a conspiracy, but if he can introduce 2 bugs in something as simple as a hashrate measurement, who knows what kinds of security problems he's introduced? Add to the fact that this is closed source, you are just asking for trouble IMHO.
1047  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Help me pick the Litecoin logo! on: October 23, 2011, 06:34:27 PM
Well I will comment Smiley
I've already got 50 LTC from coblee for drawing that - so if I do win, coblee, please keep any extra LTC you were going to pay the winner.

This wasn't a pre-mine of any sort so since you are passing out LTC from your own pocket to everyone who drew one, 50 LTC for me is more than enough already.

However, I'm pretty sure the one you prefer is Bitcoinporn's so that may solve that anyway Smiley

You are correct, I do like BitcoinPorn's logo. But I like yours also. And since the crowd has spoken, I may be convinced.
1048  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Litecoin - a lite version of Bitcoin. Launched! on: October 23, 2011, 06:29:35 PM
You charged people money for something, gave them something else then claimed ignorance and washed your hands... frankly it was your business failure not theirs.  Your logic makes about as much sense as asking your supplier for refunds when buyer don't pay.  If your supplier was shady, that is your loss to take, not your honest paying customers...

Anyways, I luckily didn't get scammed by you, my concern is that you don't seem like a very good name to be managing the 2 domains of a new coin.

If you care about the litecoin community then you should disassociate your name from it, doesn't instill much trust having a scammer representing us.

I do not manage the Litecoin domain names. They are managed by coblee, and it was his decision to point them at my servers.

terrytibbs has done more for Litecoin than most people. He designed the webpage and set up the wiki and offered to host the webpages. The fact that he has a disagreement with his customers over a previous dealing has no effect on whether or not he can design a great webpage or host the webpage. Given the amount of time he's put into the project, I trust him.

And the worst he can do is basically put a malware binary as the link to the Litecoin client download. If there's any signs of that, I will definitely switch to a different host.

Note: It really shows you his character when terrytibbs continue to post with his original account. Most scammers will just create a new account and continue to scam others.
1049  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: How to calculate estimated block found time for scrypt currencies? on: October 23, 2011, 06:10:01 AM
So that's the reason these currencies have less than 1 diff?

Yes.
1050  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Litecoin - a lite version of Bitcoin. Launched! on: October 23, 2011, 06:07:36 AM
Litecoin logo poll is up!
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=49509.0
1051  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Help me pick the Litecoin logo! on: October 23, 2011, 06:03:59 AM
Help me pick the Litecoin logo. Listed are my top 5. You can see all the logo submissions here: http://litecoin.info/index.php?title=Logo_Designs
If you think I made a huge mistake and another logo not listed is better, please vote on the last option and tell me which one.

Note: This won't be totally democratic. I already have one in mind. It's one of those listed above. I won't say which. If there's an overwhelming favorite that's different than my choice, I will probably go with that one. So vote!


1052  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: How to calculate estimated block found time for scrypt currencies? on: October 23, 2011, 05:48:48 AM
For scrypt, it's the same way to calculate. You can use any online bitcoin mining calculators with Litecoin like this one: http://www.alloscomp.com/bitcoin/calculator.php
1053  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Status of Fairbrix on: October 23, 2011, 04:13:08 AM
Looks like there aren't too many people mining fairbrix anymore. From allchains.info Litecoin has 5.69 mhash whereas Fairbrix only has .08 mhash. That's like 1.5% of Litecoin's network. Since interest is so low and the price is really low also, I probably won't spend much time maintaining the fork. If someone wants to take over, I will be happy to transfer the github project over to them.
1054  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Litecoin - a lite version of Bitcoin. Launched! on: October 21, 2011, 06:14:54 PM
is there a list of pools for this chain?
 Smiley

http://litecoin.info/index.php?title=Category:Mining
1055  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Litecoin - a lite version of Bitcoin. Launched! on: October 21, 2011, 05:32:57 PM
Sent 50 LTC reward:
michaelmclees - f5c13f042d1166cfa116934e0311ae4afaf7ecd4e548dd181e87283579ee0138
ElectricMucus - 92336a1b924b484f23e5922fc5ae146088d5cca50cc3d76904a5bccb14b07e89
BitcoinPorn - 6c69dc8267204a7cdbfdca9f9764bc1ad378a0c0d7fcdade18ccaac05e873272
pbj sammich - b0c62ec369abb1bd4a0de8bd1a6302eda19981a13d9415fd346971e52d2a56f8
kano - d245becc42c1f4330693f8057bb4158e0089eb8c1b7a5a806a2509f3b5442ba4
Matoking - 4da59f45dee163e31eee58ed93b57b3a6e845f3f5f804124846637735a55ab06
dvdrewritable - de599722ad56c9dcb719ec9334def9e4b613bffa9beb1b8899cfe605e8c2feae
chieffery - 96f610806451fe4a2ea510ca3a3f625a6fc41a36c2032342eee980b505e81645
EskimoBob - 74ac2e7479e75f9f412803b1a31001bf16b5d1b255e76ac656aeca4161f41746

I guess my awesome coin design didn't make the cut.  Oh well.  You'll rue the day! *shakes fist*

Well, you didn't provide a litecoin address. Smiley
But if you really consider your logo an honest attempt, give me your litecoin address and I will give you a reward. I mean, from the looks of it, you did spend some time creating it. Smiley
1056  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Litecoin - a lite version of Bitcoin. Launched! on: October 21, 2011, 11:57:53 AM
Sent 50 LTC reward:
michaelmclees - f5c13f042d1166cfa116934e0311ae4afaf7ecd4e548dd181e87283579ee0138
ElectricMucus - 92336a1b924b484f23e5922fc5ae146088d5cca50cc3d76904a5bccb14b07e89
BitcoinPorn - 6c69dc8267204a7cdbfdca9f9764bc1ad378a0c0d7fcdade18ccaac05e873272
pbj sammich - b0c62ec369abb1bd4a0de8bd1a6302eda19981a13d9415fd346971e52d2a56f8
kano - d245becc42c1f4330693f8057bb4158e0089eb8c1b7a5a806a2509f3b5442ba4
Matoking - 4da59f45dee163e31eee58ed93b57b3a6e845f3f5f804124846637735a55ab06
dvdrewritable - de599722ad56c9dcb719ec9334def9e4b613bffa9beb1b8899cfe605e8c2feae
chieffery - 96f610806451fe4a2ea510ca3a3f625a6fc41a36c2032342eee980b505e81645
EskimoBob - 74ac2e7479e75f9f412803b1a31001bf16b5d1b255e76ac656aeca4161f41746
1057  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: SolidCoin 2 - GPU mining and the future on: October 21, 2011, 11:09:06 AM
I haven't inferred coblee, that would be 'implied', only others can infer from my written words. Smiley

Fine. English is not my first language. Are you really going to attack my English?

The algorithm is better because it brings equality to both CPU and GPU. Both are equally (close enough) efficient to mine SolidCoins, in essence we can take both GPU and CPU and neither loses the efficiency battle. If Bitcoin does collapse like many have predicted then some other p2p coin needs to take on the existing hardware infrastructure combined with making the "average joe" able to mine. That is where SolidCoin fits into the puzzle, offering the solution to all the existing mining problems and security issues of bitcoin.

Well, I don't believe Bitcoin will collapse. And Litecoin will do well alongside Bitcoin. SolidCoin being equally GPU-friendly doesn't really make it a better algorithm in my opinion.

It's fine that you believe in bitcoin technology, but I'm not really sure of the point of litecoin then, it's just an experiment to help Bitcoin? Doesn't really seem like something which will stick around a long time if that's the case. As an advanced and experienced programmmer I've looked at bitcoin technology and realized it needed a significant change if big business and average joe is to adopt a currency of this type. I raised these questions with some bitcoin developers initially prior to starting SolidCoin. Of course on a Bitcoin forum the people here will believe Bitcoin is good enough, so there isn't much I can say to those people who have that faith. It's my opinion it isn't good enough, with SolidCoin now secure from the threats that Bitcoin isn't we can go to businesses and finally sell them a solution they may now consider taking.

Any altchain that is tied to the Bitcoin technology is in essence saying "Bitcoin is the real thing, don't take any notice of me". I'm not really sure why we need Litecoin when Bitcoin already offers what it has for the most part. You can say you're offering CPU mining or faster transactions, which is fine, but when you're just as vulnerable to the same threats I can't really see the difference.

But you are just exchanging Bitcoin threats for new threats. I don't see how that's better. I guess time will tell.

I also don't really understand why these new chains are starting up with non developers leading them. One of the biggest reasons SolidCoin has achieved the success it has is because I'm working for free on it when normally I would be paid $150+/hour. People with my experience rarely work for free on projects, I'm doing it simply because I want a solution to this global banking bullshit we've all had to put up with for the last 100 years. I like the enthusiasm people like yourself put into projects but without the skills and experience I can't really see them going anywhere.

Hmm, let's see. $150+/hr means you earn >$312,000 a year. Damn, where can I find a job that pays me that much?! And please stop spreading FUD again when you don't know any better. I work for one of top 5 biggest tech companies as a software engineer for 10+ years making $180k a year. I don't know anyone that would call me a "non developer" or someone "without skills and experience." I'm also working on this for free, but you know you, on the other hand, are not working on this for free. If SolidCoin becomes big, you will make a lot of money since you pretty much have absolute control of SolidCoin. Even if you don't directly pilfer from the CPF, you can still make a lot of money taking advantage of your position.

You may be "an advanced and experience programmer", but you really fail big time at PR. Like I've said before, your arrogant attitude is going to be the downfall of your project.
One of the feature of Litecoin is that it has a lead developer that:
- is not arrogant and works with and listens to advice from the community.
- does not ban people on IRC/forum when they disagree with me. (don't believe me? come and chat at #litecoin. that's the only place we can chat since i'm banned on #solidcoin for asking too many hard questions about SC1.0)
- believes in open source where others can help me spot bugs since no one (including an advanced and experience programmer like yourself) writes bug-free code.

I believe there's something you can learn there.
1058  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Litecoin - a lite version of Bitcoin. Launched! on: October 21, 2011, 08:44:32 AM
I've put all the logos on the wiki: http://litecoin.info/index.php?title=Logo_Designs
Everyone, please add to the page as you see fit. Also, it would be nice if you scale down your images so the wiki page is not so cluttered.
1059  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: SolidCoin 2 - GPU mining and the future on: October 21, 2011, 07:55:01 AM
CoinHunter, in your posts, you've inferred implied that SolidCoin's hashing algorithm is better than Scrypt and that's why coins based on Scrypt will likely die off. Can you tell me in what ways your algorithm is better?

EDITED: because CoinHunter felt like he needed to attack my English.
1060  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: SolidCoin 2 - GPU mining and the future on: October 21, 2011, 07:51:43 AM
CoinHunter, no you did not upset me with your opinion. I just hope that in the future if you are going to make a bold claim like "Litecoin is dying", please support with some facts.

To be honest, I'm not as against SolidCoin as a lot of people here. You've put in a lot of work into SolidCoin. I might not agree with your decision to keep things closed source, to have the CPF, and to have trusted arbiter nodes to solve the 51% problem, but I give you credit for trying something different. If anything comes out of all these alt currencies, it's that we are trying stuff that Bitcoin cannot to see if there are ways to improve on Bitcoin. And I really can't be sure that a centralized closed source solution will absolutely not work. I mean, just look at Microsoft. Their closed source crappy OS owns >90% of the market. So who knows. Like you said, time will tell.

Yeah I'm aware you obviously have pools and people just running mining clients, however only having 170 users running your client software would be a concern for me if I was overseeing your project. People still need to run the client to send funds and do other tasks like that right?

Tenebrix had 280 before LTC came along and killed it, and you haven't reached those heights yet. But anyways, I'm not sure why you released a coin with so few changes over TBX especially when you've had time to do things. You are a programmer right?

Yeah, it's only been a week. Obviously, Litecoin doesn't have many services yet. So there's less reason for people to keep the client running. I'm sure that number will grow. So right now, it doesn't concern me because the overall network hashrate has kept on growing steadily as you can see from this graph: http://litecoin.kicks-ass.org/graphs/graphs.html
When we launched, it quickly reach 2.5 Mhash/s and last I checked, it was at 6.8 Mhash/s. There's obviously a lot of room to grow, but it seems very healthy to me.

There's a good reason why Litecoin was released with just a few changes from Bitcoin. Unlike you, I actually believe in technology and economics behind Bitcoin. So I didn't want to change it too much and introduce issues like what Solidcoin 1.0 ran into. And I kept the Scrypt hashing algorithm because I didn't see a need to change it for the sake of changing it. Plus, being miner compatible with Tenebrix is a good thing for early adoption. If in the future there's a need to move away from Scrypt, I will consider it.
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