Has anyone see the netflix documentary called "Game changers" ?

Yes, one could  arguably say that the documentary is bias toward a plant food diet.
But it still ask some very good questions about health and performance of our body.

We only have one body and keeping it healthy is important.

I can tell you that the same way we had adds about cigarettes in the 50s being healthy and good (and now unhelathy and banned in public place).
We will have the same change of  opinion about (some) of the animal products (probably not all animal products).

What is your opinion ?
Are all animal free for hunting ?

Should we hunt grizzly bear in alaska ? what about polar bear ? and Alpacas ?
What about elephants, Lion ? panthere ? those are animals, and like wild pigs, or ducks, they don't "belong" to anyone.

Should we only hunt with bow and arrow (like our ancestors) or with a sniper ?
I live in NZ  (but i am french).
Here (nz) people are shooting with a sniper gun (like legit, they shoot animal - Deer- on a hill at 300 - 400m). Sometimes even at night with infrared lenses. But, hey it is "sport".

Back  home(France), people mainly go to forest, and use a 2 cartridge shotgun, if you are further away than 20m you will miss, and the animal can hide in bushes or behind trees and stuff.

Is one type of hunting better than the other ?


I'll put again what I previously wrote :





Also one more point,
Let's imagine you buy a plot of land in  some random forest.
Technically you can fence it off, and go on a rampage and kill all the rabbits and deer and other animals on it.
Animal lives have no value for the council/government/people.

However, if you want to cut every single tree, and make a huge concrete pad in lieu of the forest, then the government will tell you that the trees can't be cut, that you have to protect the environment, that it will become an eye-sore ...

Sorry for resurecting this topic.

I was casually checking on this project ( I am NZ based).

I just realized the project is #44 on coinmarket cap, I'm like WTF !!

Then i looked at the charts. And during the last week of September the daily volume was between $80 (yes $80!!) and $2,000 per day. And the total market cap about $14,000,000.

Then one week later, the daily volume is  $150,000 to $1,000,000 and the market cap jumped to $85,000,000.


Basically the price of a token was 1.6cents on the 29th of September and jumped to 10cents on the 4th of october.


I couldn't find any special news about it.
It looks like they are quite big in japan. But nothing special. 

Out of the 1,2 billions token, 500 millions are being staked (red flag to me).


Food for thoughts

Tezos qui se prend un petit +40% tranquil aujourd'hui.

Je pense que c'est a propos de cette nouvelle :

Coinbase authorise le staking de tezos pour tout le monde :
https://www.coinbase.com/staking


Aussi, on peut maintenant gagner des Tezos en repondant a des quizz sur coinbase EARN 

En general je suis calme, mais bon.
J'ai meme ecris au Juge. 

selon les documentns du 25 octobre, la prochaine etape c;est de passer devant le juge le 3 et 4 fevrier 2020 pour que le juge tranche sur certaines question.
Ensuite seulement la procedure peut commencer.  Ca fera 1 ans sans rien foutre.
Les avocats vont tous charger $500 a $900 / heure (j'ai regarder leur tarifs approx)

Je suis sure que la liquidation va couter plus de 1 millions juste en frais d'avocats.


Au moment du Hack j'avais  environs 3 ou 4 milles euros.

J'allais dire que  Michael est un scammer !!
j'allais dire qu'il a creer sont compte aujoud'hui probablement apres avoir vu le message de Hraf, mais non il a cree son compte 20 minutes avant le message de Hraf.

Mais bon, le gars il debarque de nul part, il fait un poste a propos de local etherum et ensuite il vient aider  Hraf.
Je ne crois pas une seconde que c'est un bon samaritain.

I don't say that they are right or wrong to try to force other people.

But, don't we have some people trying to forbid  the Chinese to eat dogs (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lychee_and_Dog_Meat_Festival)

or the Dane (Denmark) to kill Dolphins (https://www.news18.com/news/buzz/annual-ritual-sees-hundreds-of-whales-slaughtered-in-denmark-pictures-spark-outrage-2170285.html)

Or the Japaneese to hunt Whales for "fake" research purpose.

Or poacher to kill elephants and Rhino for Ivory.

Why are we trying to restrain them in doing what they like to do / have been doing for many generation.

Is our moral ground higher than theirs ?


Who decide which animal is worth protecting ? worth eating ?
We shouldn't kill and eat elephants, but chickens are free for all ?


The Veganism questions is not just a black or white question.
there are many shade of grey.

Dans mon cas,
Je suis a MOINS 60%  de valeur en USDT entre Mai et Novembre.

C'etait trop beau pour etre vrais !

@Halab 
Penses tu que tu pourrais editer le tout premier post de ce  Thread ( tout en gardant une copie archive) et ajouter ces deux liens :

Lien officiel cryptopia du forum : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1669443.0

Lien vers une liste des article online relatif au  cryptopia hack : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5097916.0

Ce qui permettra a tout le monde de trouver l'info facilement.

Le OP ne s'est pas connecte depuis Mai 2018

You are welcome :

J'ai fais mon detective et j'ecris a tous les avocats ( 7 personnes au total, bossant pour 5 cabinets d'avocat differents).
Je mettrais ici une copie de mon message (sans leur coordonnees) une fois que j'ai bien tout relu.

Si ca part en eau de boudin pour, je doxe leur emails et telephones portables (accessible a quiconque fouille les documents et va sur les site web de leur employeurs).  J'ai fais des archives (archive.is) des pages web si ils decident d'enlever leur coordonnes.

haha t'inquiete


Ce n'est pas encore defini.
Le liquidateur ne sait pas (et donc demande au juge) si :
La valeur due est celle des coins a la date de la mise en liquidation (je ne sais pas si c'est le debut de la liquidation - fevrier/mars ou quand tout est fini).
Ou alors le maximum de : "au dessus" (valeur a la liquidation) ou alors, les $5000 nzd des conditions et terms de cryptopia.
Mais bon les $5000 de cryptopia, n'est pas vraiment valable, car techniquement les fonds sont dans un trust, mais bon, pour faire un trust il faut faire des signature et passer devant un avocat, donc au mieux il y a 1 trust pour tout le monde, mais c'est pas clair.
Pas sure que cryptopia est fait les choses en bonne et due forme.

Si tu peux, lis les paragraphes 26 a 31
https://www.grantthornton.co.nz/globalassets/1.-member-firms/new-zealand/pdfs/cryptopia/4.-affidavit-of-dir.pdf
J'aurais bien fait copier coller, mais c'est un scan et non un PDF




Tout depend de la qualite juridique des coins.
Si property et dans un trust unique, alors ils te rendent tes coins.  (si te coins n'ont pas ete vole, si ils ont ete voles, ils t'ajoutent a la liste des crediteurs)
Si property et dans un trust mutualise, alors ils te rendent la valeur en $ en fonction du prix qu'ils vendent et la valeur manquante (10% --- 20 Mill / 217 Mill) s'ajoute aux autre crediteurs.
Si non property et donc coins de cryptopia, alors ils te rendent la valeur en $ en fonction du prix qu'ils vendent (apres que tous les autre "secured" crediteur aient ete paye).




Honnetement, le changement de leur Terms and Conditions, si accepte par le Juge nous sauve la vie, Ca veut dire que le gouvernement ne peu pas prendre nos crypto pour payer les "secured creditors" en autre les impots = 5 millions + le liquidateur + avocats (surement 1 millions)






finalement, rien ne va se passer avant Fevrier 2020, je vient de lire ca dans un document du tribunal :

Oh Bro ..... i am sadden to hear this.
(check mutual feedback if you don't remember me).
I will buy you one at 1BTC +1 BCH  with the following proposal :

I am now in NZ, so if you want you get a holiday and come to see me.
I might even have a proposal for you (but need to check with my wife).
I'll pay for 50% of tickets, then you could have our house, for 2 weeks while we go overseas at chrismas (if it is of interest for you).
Only con, you may have to take care of the dog some of the time (i'll get a dog walker for the days you head off exploring the countryside), I live in the south island, plenty of cool stuff to do, i can even source a car.
But i am not paying a premium for the coin.

What do you think ? (my offer is conditional to the wife saying yes).

Bon je viens de me farcir 40 pages de documents de court.

Voici des infos croustillantes :


Il y a 921 milles compte clients.




Crypto possede 15 comptes (principalement des compte "withdrawl fees").


Il y a 29 clients qui sont en Republic Democratic of North Korea !!!!


Ensuite LA question que tout le monde se pose :
Que sont les crypto en NZ.

Cryptopia a change ses condition et terms le 7 aout 2018.

Ils ont ecrit que les fonds des utilisateurs sont stocke dans un "trust"

Et ca ca change tout !!!!
la question a 1 million c;est est ce que les crediteurs et couts de la liquidations vont etre payes par les coins des utilisateurs ou les fonds propre de cryptopia.
Et comment ceux qui ont perdu leurs coins vont les recuperer.


la il y a plusieurs car de figure.
Deja le liquidateur demande l'avis de la cours de justice pour savoir si les coins peuvent etre dans des trust.
Les coins ne sont pas vraiement defini en NZ, hors ne peuvent etre dans des "Trust" que des "properties"

Donc deja si les coins ne sont pas des properties on l'a dans le cul.

Ensuite, si ce sont des properties, alors elle sont dans un trust.
Mais est-ce 1 trust mutulaise pour tout le monde ou alors 1 trust par personne.

Explication sur ce qu'est un trust :
Un trust est une entite independante qui beneficie les trustees.
Le trust est independant de cryptopia, cryptopia peut couler, les trust lui est independant.

Exemple plus terre a terre, il est courant en NZ de faire un trust personel ou tu emt tout ton argent et ta maison.
Tu peux beneficier du trust (retirer de l'argent, habiter dans la maison gratuitement ...), mais techniquement cela ne t'appartient pas.
Donc vu que cela ne t'appartient pas, en case de divorse la femme ou l'epoux ne peux pas demander la moitiee.



Copie et colle d'un des documents :

C'est un des points clefs, est ce que nos coins sont nos coins, ou alors est ce que nos coins appartiennent a cryptopia et nous sommes des crediteur non securises.



La Justice NZ a nommee deux avocats "QC"  (Queen Counsel) c'est la creme de la creme, l'un pour representer les clients (nous) dans le cas ou les coins sont dans un trust, et un autre QC pour reprsenter tous les crediteurs (y compris nous, si les coins ne sont pas des property, donc le trust ne fonctionne pas, et que  nos coins appartiennent donc a cryptopia). 


encore quelques screenshot :



Bon la ca pose la question de Savoir si les coins sont des "property" et si oui ou non il y a un trust.

---

Donc si ce ne sont pas des "property" et / ou si il n'y a pas de trust, le liquidateur demande a la cours de justice de savoir si il doit retourner la somme due en equivalent nzd $ (ou alors en crypto-coin).

---

Si la reponse a la question B est oui (ce qui implique que A est oui aussi car il ne peut pas y avoir de trust sans que ce soit une "property").  Donc il y a un trust, quels sont les regles du trust, cree le 7 aout 2018, est ce que c'est 1 trust par personne, ou un trust pour tout le monde.
Cela implique, que si 1 trust par personne, les coins non affectes doivent etre rendu en integralite, et les couts sont a la charge de cryptopia (ils ont 400 BTC !). Ceux qui ont des fonds affectues, s'ajoutent a la liste des gens en attente de payement (unsecured creditor.... impots, les gars des serveurs, le loyer ..).

Si 1 trust pour tout le monde, alors notre trust (entite separee de cryptopia) on a collectivement perdu 20 millions (sur les $217 milions) et que on va recuperer nos holding en $ equivelent.
Et que les 20 millons perdus s'ajoutent a la liste des unsecured creditor. Cryptopia nous doit 20 milions.


Voila j'espere que c'est un peu plus clair pour tout le monde.

Questions to all non vegan out there :

1) would you eat the following :
Dog ?
Cat ?
Rat ?
snake ?
polar bear ?
penguin ?
Kangaroo ?
worms ?
Parrot ?
Pigeon ?
Monkeys ?
other Human ?

(for all the above, the assumption is that they have been bred for the solepurpose of being eaten, hence, all the animals are diseases free, and the meat is suitable for human consumption).


2) would you drink :
cow's milk ?
Goat milk ?
Camel's milk ?
Dog milk ?
Rat's milk ?
monkey's milk ?
horse milk ?
Human milk ?

(same as above, for each of those animal, the baby has been taken away and killed, the milking animal is being used for your sole purpose. None of these animal have diseases, and the milk is safe to drink).


=> Did you answer yes to all the points in question 1, what about question 2, only yes ?



PS : I am not vegan, however, I only have animal products once a week and in small quantities.

Hey Frank1
This is a very good question.

There are two type of vegans :
The Plant based one, they are "in" for the benefits to the health of their body. Probably too for the reduction of pollution and the better carbon footprint.
The "animals lives matter" ones, those guys are in claiming that every single animal life matter. Which isn't wrong, and make sense but the human species has always relied on animals to survive / evolve (silk, wool, leather, farm animal). Where those get a little bit hypocritical sometime is that they would buy an iphone or nike shoes made by a 10 year old children paid 2$ / day. Children are animals too.


Anyway, now that i have laid this very basic explanation of the two type of vegan (according to my views, happy to discuss the veracity). what would happen to all the animals ?


Chicken ?
Hen lay eggs everyday, but not all eggs are fertilized by a rooster.
Not all eggs survive, rodents eat eggs, then small chicks are being eaten by fox and other predators.
And finally, the reason we have millions and milions of hens/chicken is due to heavy farming.

If you look into the wild, you don't see that many chicken roaming wild. I guess at first human will have to play god and reduce the number of chicken by not replacing the ones being eaten by none vegan (no one believe that the world will just wake up vegan, it will take years, chicken can live up to 10 years, surely we have 10 years of chicken resources for the people that want an extension of time before becoming vegan).
Then all of a sudden, no need for chicken, plenty of space for chicken to roam free. Why not releasing the chicken in the field, they are very good at eating parasite within crops, they also fertilize crops with their manure. Farmers would save on chemicals and...


Dog and Cats, I don't think that vegans are against nutting cats and dogs.


Cows ?  same as with the chickens, (except releasing them in crops haha). Without the need to artificially inseminate them,  there would less cows, and they wouldn't be in the city centers. They would be in the wild. doing cow stuff.
Off course there would be some example of cow on the road causing accidents and stuff, but no solution is perfect.
Look at India, cows are goddess there. They do what they want, but you can't really say that they are over populated.
And when a cow is too old, she dies, and a predator will eat it. (could be an eagle / a cougar ... same fate as dead antelope in africa).


Sheep, vegans are probably not against cutting the wool of wild sheep to prevent them of over heating.
Vegans may even agree that sheep could be "farmed" if they had like 500 m2 of green pasture per animal, no killing of their offspring, no artificial insemination and wool trimming once a year.  Basically sheep almost roaming free on large body of land, and being left alone except for the yearly wool collection. No harm there.
Plenty of countries in the world that have excess of green pasture.

Regarding the pest, well it is a hard one.
Maybe that we have a separate way to deal with them.
Maybe we continue to use pest control, maybe a memorandum will say that for the greater good, pest must be controlled.
After all, we jail human because they do bad things to the environment or other human.
It could be the same for pest.

What do you think ?



Cows only have milk if they have a calf, once the calf is big enough to eat grass, the mother cow stops making milk.
In the modern farming industry, cow are artificially inseminated so they have babies (calves) every year and produce milk all the time.
Once they calf is born, he is being sent to a shredder (alive) and sent to trash. 
This wouldn't happen in a world where cows are free.
 

You are right on a few of your points.
Having a license doesn't make driving safe.
As a matter of fact I got my motorcycle license yesterday (Yayy !)
And I don't feel safe yet, and i would't call me a safe driver.
Honestly if a kid jumps out of nowhere while on the bike, i don't know if I can avoid a crash.

Furthermore, i believe that people should be reassessed every 10 years to ensure their driving skills are good enough.


Government puts signs where he believe there is a danger, and or, speed must be adjusted.
But at the end of the day, everybody is responsible to drive safely to the road condition, to the conditions of their vehicle and to their abilities.

The government doesn't put a "danger" sign at each cliff, each body of water ... 


I like what you say about "Harmed people and damaged property is the thing that matters".
It made me though about it.
You statement sounds right, but is not correct.
"harming" someone is not just about physical harming, it could be about psychological, emotional, not annoying others ....


Do you think, I could  play the trumpets, very loudly, outside your house, between 1am and 5am everynight.
I am just enjoying my property on a public right of way. And you are not "harmed", are you ?


My point is that, if a self taught driver, is on the road, and doesn't comply to the general rules of driving (be on the right, stop at lights). Then other drivers might be in emotional distress / scared having to "avoid" that car while they come around the corner. Or if they are on the wrong way of the highway.
What if because they have to avoid that driver they injure themselves (crash). Then whose fault is it ? someone  suddenly got harmed.


My conclusion is that licensing people globally raise the driving skills (teaching) of people and reduce accidents.
Licensing doesn't mean that everybody will drive safely.
I would love to find some backed data that says that in countries where a driving license is mandatory, the flow of car is better, accidents are less and safety is higher. This is just my guess, but surely someone has done a proper comparison between countries.


Out of curiosity, do you know if there is a "law" that forces people to dress (ie, not be naked) to be on the public right of way ? if so, why aren't we paid to dress ?
Who is harmed if i want to waled naked on the public right f way?
Isn't it the same logic as your driving license ?

90% de tous les POW coins sont des copier/coller de BTC.
On en fait pas un fromage.

100% de toutes les voitures sont des copier coller de la machine de leonard de vinci et / la model T de ford.
Idem

Je suis dans le meme cas que Saint-Loup, xrp = caca /// XLM = miammiam

La technologie XRP/Stellar est bonne. C'est juste la gouvernance, et les choix strategique de XRP que je n'aime pas.

Bon alors,
Le airdrop est annule (fait chier !!!)

Stellar foundation a annonce le burn de 55 milliards de XLM (50% de tous les token detenus par la fondation).

Le prix grimpe de presque 20%

Je trouve ca con de supprimer le airdrop.

il n'avaient qu'a burner 53 miliards et garder les 2 milliard du airdrop comme prevu.

J'ai reussi a fair que 7 de mes amis et proches se creent un compte Keybase et s'inscrivent au airdrop.

Ca aurait ete tellement bon pour l'adoption de stellar et autres cryptos.

Lien :

Such a refreshing topic that I read from the first post to the last one.


Where I disagree with you  BD is that someone freedom stops where someone else's starts.

And in society is generally accepted that rules are needed and that they must be respected.

Back to your example :
A : "I have the right to travel on the public right of way with my property"
B: "cars are properties"
A+B = C " I can drive freely on any public right of way"
I will add the point D : "we were allowed to walk anywhere before the constitution and the government, so I shall retain this right"


Now instead of a Car let's use a Flame thrower, a TNT vest and a fully loaded assault weapon (military one, not just a "gun")...  all 3 together at the same time, on the same person.
All of them are "properties"  hence because A, B and C (above), I should be able to walk on any public right of way, in any US states carrying them, without any issues.  And because my ancestor, the cavemen use to carry spears (or any type of weapons available at that time) then I shall retain my right to do carry any weapons that is now available (Tnt vest, flame thrower and automatic weapons...).


Basic logic says that if one counter example exists, then the argument is wrong.
Question to DB :
In the great US of A, can you freely walk on any public right of way carrying ANY property (including the one stated above + deadly vaporized gas + nuclear waste) without any conditions (license, authorization, specific containment .... ?).
If your answer is yes, then you can drive without a license.
If you answer is not, then why do you fight the fact you need a license ? 




Also, let's say you answered "yes" and don't require a licence.

What is the goal of a driving licence :
To proves that you know how to drive and that you implicitly agree to respect the driving code.
Without one, how do you know how to drive ? Self taught ?
If you don't have a license and you refuse to follow the rule of the driving code, why would you drive on the right of the road ? why not in the middle ? what about the left side ? 
Why respecting the traffic lights?  Because you are a free man, in a free country, using his property on a public right of way, who said that a red light could make you stop your property ?
should the red light pay you to stop your property ? Technically the right light is making you work, the red light is your boss. No ?


Come on DB