And another day passed since the pending maintenance date 20 febr is going and still not payed a single bit since 12-12-2014
According to the statement "modifications" are performed. So with a big bit of luck Totscha would've lost the bet had he bet until next Sunday  |
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At least Totscha will get paid today  The day isn't done yet I'll dare you say such a thing. I believe S to be a man of his word and that Totscha will be paid accordingly. He's just saying that Chris can still pay. That was exactly my point |
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At least Totscha will get paid today The day isn't done yet |
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Why do you ask question you know answer to? Nothing changed, just another BS of Chris.
Shall we just stick to the facts? That makes the discussion more readable Your stance is clear and has been noted |
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And it's back up again. Is anyone running checks on what is different?
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IWhy do all you "www..secondstrade..com - 190% return Binary option" people sound exactly the same...  ? Oh btw the maintenance started Second one I'm noticing already today. |
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Not for sale. I do not believe it is coming back but taking the long shot bet in case it does. Not worth the pittance anyone would pay for the account.
If you're not even considering selling (didn't make an offer yet  ) you still have a little bit of hope I have no hope but I still would not sell. Well maybe 1% hope kinda of like winning the lottery.  1% doesn't cut it with the lottery: http://lottery.merseyworld.com/Info/Chances.html  |
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Not for sale. I do not believe it is coming back but taking the long shot bet in case it does. Not worth the pittance anyone would pay for the account.
If you're not even considering selling (didn't make an offer yet ) you still have a little bit of hope |
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Interval LTC DRK
2015/02/13 - 2015/02/19 0.01701578 LTC / 1 ASIC Share 0.05518143 DRK / 1 ASIC share
2015/02/06 - 2015/02/12 0.01677300 LTC / 1 ASIC Share 0.05581110 DRK / 1 ASIC share For backup purposes  Wow that was definatly worth the wait .. what a wonderfull feature lets hope that Next week he will add some colours ,Next week Get ready to Seee .. Some new Colours maybe even some pictures (Not of the mining operations) of Cute bunnys playing around. Cant wait to see what kind of useless crap will be added next keep up the good work Chris we`re all behind u *with clubs, torches and pitchforks. Yes. I am so happy I can see the money I am not going to be paid. Very helpful. How much qasics do you have? I might be willing to make an offer. Don't be so pessimist always look on the bright side of life. After waiting over two months my hope is gone. Being realistic. |
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Share payments
Interval LTC DRK
2015/02/13 - 2015/02/19 0.01701578 LTC / 1 ASIC Share 0.05518143 DRK / 1 ASIC share
2015/02/06 - 2015/02/12 0.01677300 LTC / 1 ASIC Share 0.05581110 DRK / 1 ASIC share For backup purposes |
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yes
Server under short maintenance. ETA Feb 20.
Get ready for another disappointment I would be surprised if at least the site wouldn't come back within a day |
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I assume that the maintenance will be done around midnight tonight, so we'll see.
"A short server maintenance" Nothing will happen. Can't say I really expect live balances, but we'll see |
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I assume that the maintenance will be done around midnight tonight, so we'll see.
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Then again, 2,4 BTC every week, that's a lot of money for "staying out of trouble".
Not if you estimate how much BTC he robbed from us I find it also disturbing that you still have/had doubts about his illegitimacy. What he is paying out now is literally dust. Dollars to doughnuts he is a first class scammer and a ponzi-operator Yeah, knowing this I'm with you on the "not so nice type of businessmen stance" Haven't looked into the whole thing since I had 12 hour days of work and had just ROI'ed a week before with both accounts. So had no incentive to go through thousands of pages of (mostly) ranting. |
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Thank you so much for educating Chris on the nuances of the law. We will now get regular progress updates. FOR-EV-ER.
You're calling a basic knowledge of law, that probably every single law student in their first year gets, educating? Updating forever has again it's limits, legally spoken. One can't keep a stance that, let's say, four months with unnoticable progress would still be reasonable. But that's what one has to argue, why the case with it's specifics is or is not reasonable. Being slow with getting a problem fixed is in itself not something that's always going to be "fraud" or whatever article of law you want to move it towards. |
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I also get payouts from PBMining - but how you can't say that is a scam is beyond me. We are receiving 1% (if that) of the amount we should be receiving, based on the hashrate purchased. The owner has ceased all contact with the public and it seems pretty clear it was a ponzi. I think the only reason we're getting the tiny payouts we're getting is because it's a legal loophole, and he knows he has to pay something. I think the same thing will happen with LTCGear as well but only after a good number of people threaten some kind of action.
I only knew about the "problem" and the lower payouts, not about stopping all communication. That gives a slightly different view Then again, 2,4 BTC every week, that's a lot of money for "staying out of trouble". |
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Balances are there, apparently behind the scenes. Whether that was true or a lie we'll probably find out pretty soon.
Dream on! We'll find out eventually, there is -currently- no proof for either of the two scenario's This is what frustrates me. You are right that there is no "proof" of either scenario. But if you're waiting for proof that it is a scam then you will most likely be waiting forever. Unless Chris comes out and says "I confirm it's a scam" you will probably never know for certain. So many people seem to be waiting for this "proof" to come before they take any further action, but in all likelihood it will never come. Taking action is something you'll do once reasonable options have run out. My knowledge is of civil law in a few European countries, one of them specifically, and a judge in jurisdictions where I'm active as a legal professional will not even look at a case like this since there is no definitive proof that he stopped paying. He's working on restoring from what is claimed to be a hack and therefrom resulting loss of "coins". Although he's missed a set of deadlines, he isn't MIA so to say, he keeps updating the customers and up until now there has been regular progress. Not as much as we'd like but foul play isn't a certainty. I won't say I'm the least bit happy with how things are progressing, I'd rather have the payment yesterday than tomorrow, but at this point, he seems to be making some sort of progress. So unless there is proof he's moving all of the mining results through a mixer for example (which would lead to a possible conclusion he might be hiding the benefits from mining) or he shut down a known location he's residing (office/home) he has to be considered working on a solution from a legal point of view. Then again, I'm still skeptical, but haven't ruled out the option we'll be seeing a payout somewhere this month. What I don't like is responses that claim it -IS- a ponzi and that everyone who hasn't lost hope is a nitwit or moron. Since that's an unjustified judgment on the person instead of on the patience someone is willing to have in a situation. Chances are slim that a scammer comes out and confirms it's a scam, on the other hand, as long as he's seemingly actively working on the website and there is progress within a reasonable timeframe I won't leave the point of view that we might be getting good news soon. To make a comparison, I'm still getting a payout from PBMining every Sunday. Why on earth would they payout 2.4 BTC weekly ( https://blockchain.info/tx-index/99501f9f9adbde1532314511ee9acd23df77477a8129bd9bb2321e068478a19e) if they could just as easily stop with that! I haven't looked into detail into everything that happened since they "lowered" payouts but I am having a hard time calling that a fullblown scam |
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Balances are there, apparently behind the scenes. Whether that was true or a lie we'll probably find out pretty soon.
Dream on! We'll find out eventually, there is -currently- no proof for either of the two scenario's |
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People should wait a few months...for a possible collection notice.
This looks like a loan fraud to me.
Without trying to uncover the grand scheme behind it, people involved in the travel business have options to book flights, hotels and packages for extremely low prices. I've seen offers for as low as 15% of retail value. He could very well be doing such a thing here. Reselling those offers. Another option is that as for example star alliance has a corporate FFP where companies fill in their ticket numbers of their employee's after which they can book new flights. If one would have a company where lots of flights have been made but not much more, this would be a good way to get them paid out. If I were a travel company I'd have an account on all those services and put all the sales in one of those I'm not so sure e.g. Miles&More and similar programs TOS allows such re-sales. I don't think a company wish to tarnish its image for a few bucks (or BTC). Miles&More is the traveler themselves, I was aiming for the https://www.partnerplusbenefit.com/ program for example. AF/KLM has one with BlueBiz, I expect others to have one too. |
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People should wait a few months...for a possible collection notice.
This looks like a loan fraud to me.
Without trying to uncover the grand scheme behind it, people involved in the travel business have options to book flights, hotels and packages for extremely low prices. I've seen offers for as low as 15% of retail value. He could very well be doing such a thing here. Reselling those offers. Another option is that as for example star alliance has a corporate FFP where companies fill in their ticket numbers of their employee's after which they can book new flights. If one would have a company where lots of flights have been made but not much more, this would be a good way to get them paid out. If I were a travel company I'd have an account on all those services and put all the sales in one of those |
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