and more hype I think there is nothing to add to this words. Best description of the team. thank you for free PR and busting energy to our project. So u came back to do some cleaning And now you are here to dump on the "Haters" the people that actually have been telling you about your flawed buisness from the start. That post from the other Legendairy you deleted was 100% right and u dont have anything to refute or deny what he said so u delete it and then start talking "big" again i cant believe people trusted you with their money you where obvious from the start. I knew you would do it 2 but I neglected to make a backup I hope the Op did and will just keep reposting the truth. |
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I got banned from Discord: can you explain why??
You where probably asking questions they cant or don't want to answer  |
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IRM telegram disabled why is that , questions u don't wanna answer ?
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thanks that showed what I thought it did 1 usd per 1 token so why are there almost 2 tokens per usd invested ? maybe some bonuses and bountys but double is really a lot. |
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Can someone post a link to the Whitepaper that works ? when I click on the one from icerockmining.io I get
"404. That’s an error.
The requested URL was not found on this server. That’s all we know."
I wanted to see why coinmarketcap sais there are
Circulating Supply
15,694,272 ROCK2
I thought tokens where sold @ 1 per usd so i want check the whitepaper to see why that is because if i calculate profit from 8.500.000 tokens or 15,694,272 thats kind of a big difference.
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Concerning why HitBTC delisted Envion (EVN). See Terms of Service: 9. NO OFFER OF SECURITIES 9.1. HitBTC endeavors all possible measures to be sure that crypto assets that are available via the Technology Platform cannot be classified as "security" by SEC and/or other competent national authorities. Moreover, HitBTC represents that it never intended or desired to make tokens and/or coins that can be classified as "security" available via Technology Platform. 9.2. The responsibility for the fact that the instrument cannot be treated as “security” lies with the owner of token and/or coin. If there is any risk or speculations that token and/or coin can be treated as “security”, the Technology Platform reserves the right to prohibit and discontinue any transactions on our Technology Platform with such tokens and/or coins at its sole discretion. 9.3. We follow the best practices to decide whether crypto asset is security or not. However, We give no warranty and/or investment, financial, legal or any other professional advice, that any crypto asset available via our Technology Platform is not a security. https://hitbtc.com/terms-of-useFunny because Envion were very clear from the start and admitted it would be a security token. Maybe HitBTC just didn't want to do enough digging. Like reading the whitepaper or something like that. Also "funny" that it happened right when Finma investigation started looks more like Finma contacted Hitbtc and they responded to be in compliance. |
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If they were not having internal disputes among founders then they altogether were playing with investors. None of the party was sincere and transparent from start and neither now they are. Damage to this project is too big to be cured. After all trust is everything once it has gone nothing left probably that's why they don't want own anymore this project. These are hard facts and may people started to realize it.
There is a difference between not being transparent and just blatant LIES they have proven again and again that it was a mistake to trust them with our money. If i tell you that everything is running and fine while i sell my "locked" tokens on the open market , that has nothing to do with beeing transparent thats a crime. |
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Assuming that Penta is not an alt of yours Sluppy  his math is still not correct or based on any factual numbers. As for Dias not answering, well yes, as I said where you quoted me, it is dissapointing to see him not replying to any questions, and there is obviously a reason or reason(s) for that. Let me explore some possibilities and see if you agree with any. 1. (Worse case scenario) - What you said is true and they have over valued the ROI for investors on the website and will not admit that publicly and are trying to think of a way of mitigating this problem. This I do not believe to be the case but of course I am not that naïve to say with 100% certainly that is is not. 2. They are being silent while they set up equipment and slowly buying back tokens themselves at lower than ICO prices therefore will have to pay out less to seperate holders and also allow those who equte silence to FUD to sell for a lower price therefore ensuring they can pay those that do continue to hold as per the website calculator. 3. They have mentioned Cindex as their dashboard, the Cindex ICO only started a day or so ago, maybe they are waiting on that, for what reason I do not know, but just throwing it out there. 4. With the calculations posted by some here those who have posted said calculations have not taken into account that they have a lot of money left over from ICO which can also be used to pay investors/holders while they obtain and set up more mining rigs. Either way, whatever IRM's intentions or tactics are, the silent treatment is not good and investors have a right of reply, but I do not personally think they are scammers, their names and faces are all over the place and I believe they are going to deliver, that is why I invested. I will have egg on my face if they do not but I am happy to have an omlette for a face if I am wrong, but it would make no sense for them to harm what they have created. The ICO finished a while back now and if they were going to run off they could have/would have done so by now. So personally I am still invested and even bought some more @ its ATL recently so although there is that niggling "WTF is going on" feeling, I am going to trust my instincts and stay solid with IRM. But with that said, Dias, enough is enough man, if you guys are quietly buying back tokens (I sincerly hope you are) then please at least provide us with an update regarding 1st payments and as mentioned above, the amount of payments per ROCK2 held. Thanks. 1 Not worsecase u don't remember those posts just look back in the thread. they where making projections with Miners that paid out 30+ usd a day while those did not exist at that time nor do they now they where called out on this by several people including myself they responded with comments like " 3. Do not look at the daily price of BTC, look at the annual trend. In summer the BTS will be much more than 13,500 💰 Hello Dias, how did you came to this prediction? " Summer is almost over. 2 that would be extremely dishonest and that's pretty much the same as stealing from your investors what u just said. 3 I don't know what that is nor do I care to look into it but that's no reason to not respond to your investors questions. 4 You know what you just described right its called a Ponzi scheme where u pay investors back with their own money. *and no investor should want to have this happen. |
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Pre-Sale with anonymous team?  . Are you kidding me? Is there a normal sale too? I agree that there are lot of stupid investors out there but at least try make an effort. good evening Do you want to accuse me of something? or do you want to teach me something? I want to remind you that anonymity is one of the advantages of a blockchain, or have you forgotten about it? We will publish our faces when we are ready anonymous team is fine as long as they are not robbing money from the users. and if they are really authentic, why not? i think this is hard question in crypto,many legit project's that already passed and going well started without showing their faces...i think that is a matter of time) But none of those asked any money for it, (well maybe scammers did). It was pure mining back then, often with pre-mines too as a way to cash out. I do not set the task to change your mind, just leave my opinion There were a lot of successful and honest teams that created successful products anonymously, there were many public teams that succeeded too. But there were a lot of anonymous teams who made the scam, but also it is worth remembering that many public ICO have made a scam too I do not think that anonymity or publicity is a fundamental factor in crypto-currencies These days when you are asking for money Upfront like u are when u sell masternodes before you really have a working platform product IMO you have to show your faces at least the tech guys so we can have an idea if you are even capable to deliver what u say. |
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prob a shill.
But its worse then you think apperantly the Founders can see the future because those changes to the contract that enabled them to sell their tokens where made long before the problems started.
Probably a dumper or "true investor". Ye dont bother to Fact check anything just keep on dancing to Laurents tune you are on the founders payroll for sure or just completely clueless but im pretty sure its the first one. |
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Is there any possibility for refund for people who paid with credit card???
You are too late to use this option to take refund it is more than 6 months has passed since this ICO was finished. But this is confirmed this is failed project when attractive whitepaper and only marketing made this possible to steal huge money from people. this project is as dead as it can be, i wish I could say it wasn't but we have to face the facts. The founders screwed up too hard and now its broken beyond repair. Sad though, with mining costs going through the roof this project had a ton of potential
"confirmed this is failed project" - please share a few confirmations with us. "project is as dead as it can be" - please share some facts. I don't understand what you are doing @Thadeous? Do you try to defend Envion project? Why? Is obvious that Envion is a scam. There are already court cases ongoing and FINMA started an investigation. If there will be no suspicions that this is a scam then there will be no courts involved and everybody will receive their tokens. Bounty is not paid, price crashed, token delisted from the biggest exchange, full of scammers ( founders, CEO). There is nothing left to defend. Are you defending them or I get you wrong? Please explain. It's simple: I hate when people spread false statements without proofs. Personally I think that Envion is a perspective project and hope that founders will win the final battle and be able to continue developing Envion. I wanted to hear your opinion about Envion too because I see your comments and you are an Envion supporter. Do you still believe the Founders? Will you that they run this company further? Are they trustworthy? They lied to us, changed the contract illegally, sold tokens which were in fasting period closed and there are many more accusations against them. Founders avoid any comments before FINMA investigation is over and it's obvious why they do. As for me, I realize that investigation may take months, but I'm still sure that founders team will fight for the project till the very end. Concerning tokens sold, here is what Laurent says: "There was a policy not to sell for the founding team tokens. That policy changed in order to save the company. Those tokens had to be sold when Envion's debts caused an existential crisis. This was done according to consultations with Envion's legal team and in compliance with financial regulations." If founders began to sell their tokens before the appointed time is true that this project is a scam. This is the deception of investors There is no IF it has been admitted by Laurent in the Founders channel with a whole lot of spin about Why that "had" to be done while keeping the investors in the dark.. they are Scum and should all go to jail MW and all the Founders. |
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Is there any possibility for refund for people who paid with credit card???
You are too late to use this option to take refund it is more than 6 months has passed since this ICO was finished. But this is confirmed this is failed project when attractive whitepaper and only marketing made this possible to steal huge money from people. this project is as dead as it can be, i wish I could say it wasn't but we have to face the facts. The founders screwed up too hard and now its broken beyond repair. Sad though, with mining costs going through the roof this project had a ton of potential
"confirmed this is failed project" - please share a few confirmations with us. "project is as dead as it can be" - please share some facts. I don't understand what you are doing @Thadeous? Do you try to defend Envion project? Why? Is obvious that Envion is a scam. There are already court cases ongoing and FINMA started an investigation. If there will be no suspicions that this is a scam then there will be no courts involved and everybody will receive their tokens. Bounty is not paid, price crashed, token delisted from the biggest exchange, full of scammers ( founders, CEO). There is nothing left to defend. Are you defending them or I get you wrong? Please explain. It's simple: I hate when people spread false statements without proofs. Personally I think that Envion is a perspective project and hope that founders will win the final battle and be able to continue developing Envion. I wanted to hear your opinion about Envion too because I see your comments and you are an Envion supporter. Do you still believe the Founders? Will you that they run this company further? Are they trustworthy? They lied to us, changed the contract illegally, sold tokens which were in fasting period closed and there are many more accusations against them. Founders avoid any comments before FINMA investigation is over and it's obvious why they do. As for me, I realize that investigation may take months, but I'm still sure that founders team will fight for the project till the very end. Concerning tokens sold, here is what Laurent says: "There was a policy not to sell for the founding team tokens. That policy changed in order to save the company. Those tokens had to be sold when Envion's debts caused an existential crisis. This was done according to consultations with Envion's legal team and in compliance with financial regulations." From what I understand this is the explanation provided after community finds all about CEO problems and founders sold their tokens which should be closed for a half year. If this explanation is true why they lie to us for so long? When we asked about dumped tokens they told us that they don't know who is selling. People provided back then in Telegram group addresses and tx from transactions which shows exactly that these tokens are from founders and sold illegally before fasting period end. They banned this guy and deleted all posts. Now they are coming with new explanations each day. Where were they in the first 5 months? Why they lied so long? I just can't believe that you trust them further. Tell me why? prob a shill. But its worse then you think apperantly the Founders can see the future because those changes to the contract that enabled them to sell their tokens where made long before the problems started. |
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Hi Dias, thanks for getting back to me with those replies, appreciated.
Just to clarify the point above about payments and the calculator on the website, would it be correct to assume then that those calculations on the website are the bare minimum of payouts per tokens held or can that drop below the calculated price?
I understand that when payouts are made if you HODL you stand to profit more, but my question was more so directed at the minimum payouts and the calculator on the site, so in summary what is on the site calculator is guaranteed (for the 3 years), regardless of BTC/ETH prices?
Thanks.
Hi again Dias, can you please address the above question in detail, just be straight up man and let us know where we stand. What you say here in relation to the payouts will forever have an impact on the current and future pricing of ROCK2 so please just lay it out on the table and give a straight up answer. Thanks. Dias I can see you have been online, but have left my question ignored. Can you please answer? I am looking to purchase more ROCK2 but that is subject to your reply..... Thanks. It is disappointing to say the least that Dias seems to have abandoned this chat. I understand that they would be busy getting the miners installed, but you should always find time to reply to your investors on whatever mediums they are on, and more so on here than anywhere else. I highly rated IRM because of their transparency and constant fluent communications, but that has now all but disappeared from view. There are some significantly important questions with relate to payout amounts and are they guaranteed as per the ICO? Yes or No please Dias. Thanks. He's still reading , he is just waiting for the xxx% bitcoin increase they calculated into their roi projections. Name: dias.kurmanov Posts: 709 Activity: 350 Merit: 102 Position: Full Member Date Registered: July 09, 2017, 07:01:40 AM Last Active: August 23, 2018, 12:53:09 PM he has seen the questions he just does not want to answer them because den_penta is posting math that doesn't use the bitcoin moon rocket method. |
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they just posted on telegram , "❗️LISTING NEWS❗️ Our exchange starts to implement BITS token to their system the next week - just as it is a big exchange, it can take about maximum 3 weeks for them to finish it. So there is a small amount of time to wait, just support and check if you are ready to trade and go to the moon GREAT NEWS FROM BITCOINUS " apperantly "Green lit" "payed for" exchanges are extremely slow these days But I understand it will take exchanges a long time to implement coins with this new experimental ERC20 tech that no one ever used before |
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The more days more ICO projects with exchange themes appear on the market, all bring innovation, vision and mission and uniqueness. Looking at the AXNET Project whitepaper, ICO ended September 1 but still has not achieved softcap, it must be more aggressive in promoting. With the remaining ico, sales can increase. Success for AXNET
Maybe because they value their company @ 233 million usd ? that's why people aren't jumping up and down to get onboard. They way overpriced it it should be closer to 23,3 million also their team gets for free the tokens that are being sold in the ico (the same amount) that 10% is worth 23 million sure they cant dump it all right away but as an investor that's way to steep for me those few people will have the same amount as everyone that invests for now that's crazy. check website https://ax.net/ Softcap $ 3,000,000 Hardcap $ 20,000,000 ! https://imgur.com/a/fV2aq7jfor 10% of the total coins and by the looks of the structure those 10% coins wont be spread out over the investors u pay Percoin instead of deviding the 10% over the investors. so investors If the softcap is reached may end up with as little as 1.5% of the total coins when the team will get 10%. When i checked a while back when it went on sale it was 466 usd (1eth) for 500 tokens. without counting bonuses. anyway ill stop commenting on your project , I cant invest in @ this price in this structure. |
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The more days more ICO projects with exchange themes appear on the market, all bring innovation, vision and mission and uniqueness. Looking at the AXNET Project whitepaper, ICO ended September 1 but still has not achieved softcap, it must be more aggressive in promoting. With the remaining ico, sales can increase. Success for AXNET
Maybe because they value their company @ 233 million usd ? that's why people aren't jumping up and down to get onboard. They way overpriced it it should be closer to 23,3 million also their team gets for free the tokens that are being sold in the ico (the same amount) that 10% is worth 23 million sure they cant dump it all right away but as an investor that's way to steep for me those few people will have the same amount as everyone that invests for now that's crazy. |
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Soooo,,, I see all this talk on here about getting income, can someone tell me why the Telegram channel doesn't exist anymore and I see on their Twitter page a comment that say, GOT THEM 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Are they talking about the mining machines?
Can someone fill me in on what's going on, are we actually going to get to recover any of our investment or when are they going to start paying us?
Their Telegram channel works just fine , the Got them refers to the miners they ordered and have now received probably. |
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maybe the person who stole amount of Nano from bitgrail can't dump on us anymore . he is broke now . sould out  Yeah indeed.. I've read something too about 1 account that was selling like real huge amounts of Nano and that this was keeping the price low.. So maybe this indeed is over now? At least one of those accounts that had over a million when it started to sell seems to be empty now , I checked on it a while back u can find the address a few pages back I don't have it handy atm. |
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Allow me to answer question number 4 for u HELL NO , that "calculator" doesn't account for the difficulty increase and its calculating from a price when BTC was more then 10k a piece.
Given that you are pretty much against this project in general, I think I will wait to hear from Dias on all of the questions that I put forth, thanks. He had time to Delete my post but not to answer your questions that should tell u all u need to know. |
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That is blatant lie, but what else can we expect from shill?
look, If to use the reactive shit-thrower before the ico launch then you can ruin even the most promising and honest project and scare off potential investors! about neo-finance I can just say that I like their innovative idea with a loan service on crypto-currencies bail, no more That happens for a reason let me explain why this shit shower happens.. Because you are trying to Steal hard earned money/crypto from people that are either gullable or new to crypto and if u keep doing that over and over and over those people getting scammed wont be back and they will tell their friends how they got scammed in Crypto. That Hurts Everyone thats not trying to scam people as well ,it takes money out of Our collective pockets and the money you scammers take out of crypto will not be invested in other promising crypto projects that will just dissapear in fiat into your pockets. Thats the reason this "shit shower" is happening because people are sick and tired of scumbags like yourself crippling the buisness we are in. We are not trying to blackmail anyone we are trying to stop you and ur buddies from scamming our fellow cryptonians.( sais We but I cant speak for the others but that's what I am doing  |
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