[ANN][ICO] «Envion» Most Profitable Self-Expanding Crypto Infrastructure

[daxp]

Is there any possibility for refund for people who paid with credit card???

You are too late to use this option to take refund it is more than 6 months has passed since this ICO was finished. But this is confirmed this is failed project when attractive whitepaper and only marketing made this possible to steal huge money from people.

this project is as dead as it can be, i wish I could say it wasn't but we have to face the facts. The founders screwed up too hard and now its broken beyond repair. Sad though, with mining costs going through the roof this project had a ton of potential

"confirmed this is failed project" - please share a few confirmations with us.
"project is as dead as it can be" - please share some facts.

I don't understand what you are doing @Thadeous? Do you try to defend Envion project? Why?

Is obvious that Envion is a scam. There are already court cases ongoing and FINMA started an investigation. If there will be no suspicions that this is a scam then there will be no courts involved and everybody will receive their tokens. Bounty is not paid, price crashed, token delisted from the biggest exchange, full of scammers ( founders, CEO). There is nothing left to defend.

Are you defending them or I get you wrong? Please explain.

It's simple: I hate when people spread false statements without proofs.
Personally I think that Envion is a perspective project and hope that founders will win the final battle and be able to continue developing Envion.

I wanted to hear your opinion about Envion too because I see your comments and you are an Envion supporter.

Do you still believe the Founders? Will you that they run this company further? Are they trustworthy?

They lied to us, changed the contract illegally, sold tokens which were in fasting period closed and there are many more accusations against them.

Founders avoid any comments before FINMA investigation is over and it's obvious why they do.
As for me, I realize that investigation may take months, but I'm still sure that founders team will fight for the project till the very end.

Concerning tokens sold, here is what Laurent says:

"There was a policy not to sell for the founding team tokens.
That policy changed in order to save the company. Those tokens had to be sold when Envion's debts caused an existential crisis. This was done according to consultations with Envion's legal team and in compliance with financial regulations."

If founders began to sell their tokens before the appointed time is true that this project is a scam. This is the deception of investors

[beeelzebub]

This Project is showing the meaningless hype last year.

A company so problematic, can reach 100m $ and in return stupid law suits.

[2012]

This Project is showing the meaningless hype last year.

A company so problematic, can reach 100m $ and in return stupid law suits.

It happening because of early phase of this new era that's why we see people could get succeed to make fool the people easily with fancy whitepaper and attractive looking website and some experienced people. But in future this will get matured and only legit project will survive.

[Thadeous]

prob a shill.

But its worse then you think apperantly the Founders can see the future because those changes to the contract that enabled them to sell their tokens where made long before the problems started.

Probably a dumper or "true investor". 

[sluppy]

Is there any possibility for refund for people who paid with credit card???

You are too late to use this option to take refund it is more than 6 months has passed since this ICO was finished. But this is confirmed this is failed project when attractive whitepaper and only marketing made this possible to steal huge money from people.

this project is as dead as it can be, i wish I could say it wasn't but we have to face the facts. The founders screwed up too hard and now its broken beyond repair. Sad though, with mining costs going through the roof this project had a ton of potential

"confirmed this is failed project" - please share a few confirmations with us.
"project is as dead as it can be" - please share some facts.

I don't understand what you are doing @Thadeous? Do you try to defend Envion project? Why?

Is obvious that Envion is a scam. There are already court cases ongoing and FINMA started an investigation. If there will be no suspicions that this is a scam then there will be no courts involved and everybody will receive their tokens. Bounty is not paid, price crashed, token delisted from the biggest exchange, full of scammers ( founders, CEO). There is nothing left to defend.

Are you defending them or I get you wrong? Please explain.

It's simple: I hate when people spread false statements without proofs.
Personally I think that Envion is a perspective project and hope that founders will win the final battle and be able to continue developing Envion.

I wanted to hear your opinion about Envion too because I see your comments and you are an Envion supporter.

Do you still believe the Founders? Will you that they run this company further? Are they trustworthy?

They lied to us, changed the contract illegally, sold tokens which were in fasting period closed and there are many more accusations against them.

Founders avoid any comments before FINMA investigation is over and it's obvious why they do.
As for me, I realize that investigation may take months, but I'm still sure that founders team will fight for the project till the very end.

Concerning tokens sold, here is what Laurent says:

"There was a policy not to sell for the founding team tokens.
That policy changed in order to save the company. Those tokens had to be sold when Envion's debts caused an existential crisis. This was done according to consultations with Envion's legal team and in compliance with financial regulations."

If founders began to sell their tokens before the appointed time is true that this project is a scam. This is the deception of investors

There is no IF it has been admitted by Laurent in the Founders channel with a whole lot of spin about Why that "had" to be done while keeping the investors in the dark.. they are Scum and should all go to jail MW and all the Founders.

[sluppy]

prob a shill.

But its worse then you think apperantly the Founders can see the future because those changes to the contract that enabled them to sell their tokens where made long before the problems started.

Probably a dumper or "true investor". 

Ye dont bother to Fact check anything just keep on dancing to Laurents tune you are on the founders payroll for sure or just completely clueless but im pretty sure its the first one.

[oapieNL]

Finally, after 73 years of trust in these Germans, all Jews were robbed of their valuables.Envion headquaters is in Berlin, you can see that they still have the traits of the Nazis  Now that they can steal almost nothing from the Jews, they steal from the crypro investors.

[eprocent]

This Project is showing the meaningless hype last year.

A company so problematic, can reach 100m $ and in return stupid law suits.

It happening because of early phase of this new era that's why we see people could get succeed to make fool the people easily with fancy whitepaper and attractive looking website and some experienced people. But in future this will get matured and only legit project will survive.

That is also my impression that I have formed over the past 2 years about the scams that exist in the world of crypto projects. Anything to steal your image, many utopias and few professionals capable of implementing a successful project even if they could have billions. Good luck.

[miningguru]

This Project is showing the meaningless hype last year.

A company so problematic, can reach 100m $ and in return stupid law suits.

It happening because of early phase of this new era that's why we see people could get succeed to make fool the people easily with fancy whitepaper and attractive looking website and some experienced people. But in future this will get matured and only legit project will survive.

That is also my impression that I have formed over the past 2 years about the scams that exist in the world of crypto projects. Anything to steal your image, many utopias and few professionals capable of implementing a successful project even if they could have billions. Good luck.

Sometimes it is impossible to guess how the project will scam the innocent investors, some investors still, don't know how to find the best project. How can people steal the investor money without any knowledge about the block chain? Very bad.

[boopy265420]

If they were not having internal disputes among founders then they altogether were playing with investors. None of the party was sincere and transparent from start and neither now they are. Damage to this project is too big to be cured. After all trust is everything once it has gone nothing left probably that's why they don't want own anymore this project. These are hard facts and may people started to realize it.

[sluppy]

If they were not having internal disputes among founders then they altogether were playing with investors. None of the party was sincere and transparent from start and neither now they are. Damage to this project is too big to be cured. After all trust is everything once it has gone nothing left probably that's why they don't want own anymore this project. These are hard facts and may people started to realize it.

There is a difference between not being transparent and just blatant LIES they have proven again and again that it was a mistake to trust them with our money.


If i tell you that everything is running and fine while i sell my "locked" tokens on the open market , that has nothing to do with beeing transparent thats a crime.

[dr.cheema]

This Project is showing the meaningless hype last year.

A company so problematic, can reach 100m $ and in return stupid law suits.

It happening because of early phase of this new era that's why we see people could get succeed to make fool the people easily with fancy whitepaper and attractive looking website and some experienced people. But in future this will get matured and only legit project will survive.

That is also my impression that I have formed over the past 2 years about the scams that exist in the world of crypto projects. Anything to steal your image, many utopias and few professionals capable of implementing a successful project even if they could have billions. Good luck.

Sometimes it is impossible to guess how the project will scam the innocent investors, some investors still, don't know how to find the best project. How can people steal the investor money without any knowledge about the block chain? Very bad.

Yeah we can't judge the new ico's that they will scam us after ICO or not!  
We just see that how much they have collected funds so far but now we know that where we have to invest and where we shouldn't..  👍

[redlamp79]

If I buy Aeternity tokens on an exchange, I would then withdraw them to my eth-address right? In which case I would need to also buy enough ether for the gas price?

[mehar_gee]

If I buy Aeternity tokens on an exchange, I would then withdraw them to my eth-address right? In which case I would need to also buy enough ether for the gas price?

if you want to send tokens from exchange to on you ether address you don't need to buy eth
but if you want to send token from your eth address to an exchange
or to another address then you need eth for pay the gas price

[o48o]

If I buy Aeternity tokens on an exchange, I would then withdraw them to my eth-address right? In which case I would need to also buy enough ether for the gas price?

if you want to send tokens from exchange to on you ether address you don't need to buy eth
but if you want to send token from your eth address to an exchange
or to another address then you need eth for pay the gas price

If aeternity is a ecr20 token then yes, but this is not the thread for Aeternity tokens anyway. So i am not sure why you are talking about it.

[eprocent]

This Project is showing the meaningless hype last year.

A company so problematic, can reach 100m $ and in return stupid law suits.

It happening because of early phase of this new era that's why we see people could get succeed to make fool the people easily with fancy whitepaper and attractive looking website and some experienced people. But in future this will get matured and only legit project will survive.

That is also my impression that I have formed over the past 2 years about the scams that exist in the world of crypto projects. Anything to steal your image, many utopias and few professionals capable of implementing a successful project even if they could have billions. Good luck.

Sometimes it is impossible to guess how the project will scam the innocent investors, some investors still, don't know how to find the best project. How can people steal the investor money without any knowledge about the block chain? Very bad.

Rather than investing in any project, I prefer to choose carefully not only the idea but also the team's professionalism, transparency and product or service before ICO sales. Good luck.

[Thadeous]

Concerning why HitBTC delisted Envion (EVN).
See Terms of Service:

9. NO OFFER OF SECURITIES

9.1. HitBTC endeavors all possible measures to be sure that crypto assets that are available via the Technology Platform cannot be classified as "security" by SEC and/or other competent national authorities. Moreover, HitBTC represents that it never intended or desired to make tokens and/or coins that can be classified as "security" available via Technology Platform.
9.2. The responsibility for the fact that the instrument cannot be treated as “security” lies with the owner of token and/or coin. If there is any risk or speculations that token and/or coin can be treated as “security”, the Technology Platform reserves the right to prohibit and discontinue any transactions on our Technology Platform with such tokens and/or coins at its sole discretion.
9.3. We follow the best practices to decide whether crypto asset is security or not. However, We give no warranty and/or investment, financial, legal or any other professional advice, that any crypto asset available via our Technology Platform is not a security.

https://hitbtc.com/terms-of-use

[o48o]

Concerning why HitBTC delisted Envion (EVN).
See Terms of Service:

9. NO OFFER OF SECURITIES

9.1. HitBTC endeavors all possible measures to be sure that crypto assets that are available via the Technology Platform cannot be classified as "security" by SEC and/or other competent national authorities. Moreover, HitBTC represents that it never intended or desired to make tokens and/or coins that can be classified as "security" available via Technology Platform.
9.2. The responsibility for the fact that the instrument cannot be treated as “security” lies with the owner of token and/or coin. If there is any risk or speculations that token and/or coin can be treated as “security”, the Technology Platform reserves the right to prohibit and discontinue any transactions on our Technology Platform with such tokens and/or coins at its sole discretion.
9.3. We follow the best practices to decide whether crypto asset is security or not. However, We give no warranty and/or investment, financial, legal or any other professional advice, that any crypto asset available via our Technology Platform is not a security.

https://hitbtc.com/terms-of-use

Funny because Envion were very clear from the start and admitted it would be a security token. Maybe HitBTC just didn't want to do enough digging. Like reading the whitepaper or something like that.

[Luvr1000]

I read an article that this project turned out to be a fraud, I do not know if this is true, if someone knows something, please contact me and confirm this information, it will clear up a lot for me

[eprocent]

I read an article that this project turned out to be a fraud, I do not know if this is true, if someone knows something, please contact me and confirm this information, it will clear up a lot for me

If you have some time to read more about the situation of Envion here in this pages you will have more information. They are in the some problems in justice about fraudulent emissions of tokens. Good luck