How long until another Bitcasino.io thread is created?
I don't see the purpose of this thread anyway seeing the other thread is alive and well aswell... Not only that, having two threads open goes against the rules for this thread. One thread per site. Sorry, I responded to your post by accident before then deleted that response  . But I believe the multiple posting rule is only for duplicates. Is this thread considered a duplicate support/advertising? That's debatable for sure. I'd say in function it is very much a duplicate. |
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Waflemaster stop acting like a spoiled brat, you didn't lose out on $900. If I get fired from a job I don't demand pay for future work I haven't done. It's Jeremypwr's campaign you are not entitled to a spot, its his choice.
I'm sorry you feel that way. If your boss told you you had 40 hours this week then all of a sudden said no, you're not working at all, would that make you upset? Pretty comparable situation all things considered. Then on top of that, said if you talk about your hours getting cut at all, your previous week pay will not be given. Yeah, starts to put things in perspective right?
July 24 or July 20? Or is it between July 21 & July 24?
Anyways, I've seen that and yes, I do believe that you're correct in that matter.
But, I've been following the campaign's thread since its start and to my knowledge, there was no price change (as whenever I saw the title post, it always showed $120/week only). What kind of pay increase are you talking about?
It was because he was only paying me for 18 posts and not 25. Then he thought I didn't meet the 25/week deadline and kicked me from the campaign based on that false assumption from his error. The pay increase I mentioned was the increase from 18 to 25 posts. |
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Definition of extortion: the practice of obtaining something through force or threats. This is what you are doing to this campaign manager, You are trying to force him to let you stay in the campaign, I'm sure some DT members tag you for doing it this way. Again, verifiable as wrong. I've already stated to the manager and others, it's out there for anybody to see LOL. I would never be interested in interacting with somebody like this in a business relationship. 
I noticed that you have been hammering on potential earnings but my question is, how can you hold him accountable for a job you have not done exactly. It does not work that and continuing pushing this matter will only make you sound like a but-hurt who cannot live without what he will earn from this campaign.
I am actually more surprised that both of you could not resolve this issue of simple mistake till it degenerate to this point and both of you are at fault just as @Yahoo have rightly said. Managers are human and they are prone to mistakes, when that happen, there is a way to approach it and get it resolve without any noise about it. The two of you have just unleashed to the whole community how much ego you took in yourself over the welfare of another. #My opinion.
Thanks for commenting about these things. It was pretty surprising after we agreed to go back to the normal relationship before the big mistake he made that he then was threatening me, I agree. The thing about profit potential is huge in the business world, and I am residing within that world. That's $840 that would have been made if this campaign manager wasn't so bad and threatening randomly. Imagine if he just upheld his agreement to correct everything and it returned to normal. Pretty mind bending he would then threaten me after I upheld it. If I was reliant on the money I likely would have made a bigger deal out of it, but thanks for assuming I need it to live off of  |
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You can either just report a post or the private message and add further details, but this isn't something staff would get involved with. Open up a scam accusation if you really wish to proceed with this but it isn't a Meta issue.
Thanks! I understand you don't moderate scams, but you do moderate illegal activity. Which is what criminal extortion is. Not only that, it was criminal extortion to censor me, so I imagine the btc community would be pretty upset at censorship like that. I went ahead and did that for a post which clearly is breaking some major rules, and even laws. Withholding and threatening to withhold payment he already agreed to send unless I keep silent about his bad acting. Classic extortion, and should not be allowed under any circumstance. Unreal if this is allowed to continue and he can do it to other people. 97% accuracy across over a hundred reports, let's hope this doesn't fall into the 3% because he has friends in high places. |
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That's pretty interesting that a designer hasn't contacted you about making a quick website for you. There are pretty easy ways for people to clone websites even, I see it here in the marketplace all the time of people selling website scripts or whatever. Usually for ponzi scans though |
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lol really you guys are blowing it out of proportions @Waffle - Why can't you just take the payment and leave him alone? He hires you in the campaign, is ready to pay you money, how is that extortion? As a campaign manager, he doesn't owe you an explanation for getting kicked out of the campaign. My Campaigns with Sportsbet have paid out thousands of dollars to participants in the past few months ALONE.
Maybe sportsbet.io should also pay "thousands of dollars" to the players whose withdrawals are stuck since ages. Lol I like your little mention at how bad sportsbet.io is with withdrawal scamming. That aside, I really don't think somebody scamming another person and lying about an agreement made is blowing anything out of proportion. All my claims are from discussion which have evidence, so the fact that there exists detailed documentation almost certainly counters whatever claim of "blowing things out of proportion" can be made. The claims are made because they exist. As for extortion, IDK, what is threatening to not pay somebody unless they do something? What is threatening to hurt somebody financially or physically if they don't do what you want when you want? Extortion? Definition of extortion: the practice of obtaining something through force or threats. |
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You believe that him agreeing to put me back in the campaign and then not doing so, resulting in a $840 loss is not a scam? Interesting, I wonder what you think about user deposits and withdrawing then, since that is also bound by agreements.
As an Campaign Manager, jeremypwr can add you and remove you million times if he wants to. It's been said multiple times: I can remove you from the Campaign at any time, for whatever reason You cannot count potential gain as guaranteed income, as that potential needs to become reality. For example, if you go to work they pay you for the month you've just worked. Not for the upcoming month. It's pretty standard. This case on our side is closed and the payment for your work will be made during today.  PS. Please remove our logo and your signature that has been made by us. Another work that we have paid for.  Regards, Karl Bitcasino.ioAs stated previously, he agreed to return everything to normal like it was before his big error and being a bad campaign manager. But he didn't. And I see now you don't care about agreements made in writing or anything like that, and that's ok (not ok). You employ an extortionist who threatens to withhold payment that was already agreed to be paid for services rendered. Wonder what your website is like with that attitude! Just withholding money as you see fit? As for the signature and things, I modified the work according to fair use. That's even assuming these logos are trademarked, which I'm almost certain they are not. So their use is free (although I did modify them to my own). If you don't believe in artistic expression that's ok. Feel free to send any relevant paperwork to me. |
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I don't get why you push yourself into the campaign when all is over for you the bounty manager decides to cut you participation. He decides to terminate you from it, its not like you have the contract to finish the entire duration of the campaign while you can bash his management and you getting paid for doing it. That's not going to happen. Would it be fair to the bounty manager you bitching around while you get paid by his campaign?
Give yourself a break @WaffleMaster.
Oh yeah, I totally agree. After his behavior and incompetence I sent this pm, in the picture below. Basically I could no longer be a part of the campaign regardless if they wanted a do-over. Because of all the threats, withholding payment unfairly, being petty and calling me names, taunting me and all the other stuff. So now it's just about raising awareness around this terrible manager, his misconduct, threats and all that. Maybe people will think twice and not allow him to do this to anybody else. Technically I'm pretty sure that agreement would hold up in the court of law, it is a written agreement to return to normal, but we're not in court and we're not going there  As much as I can see in the previous images of yours, you also threatened him with your own blackmail. Both of you made misconducts now it can't be resolved. Its best to just part ways accept that because you're not going to the court all for this. But if you are going to continue to hold grudge and raise awareness which is sick, you'll end up wasting your time. Believe me, we've seen enough drama in our lives. Its not entertaining. It made you sleepless already. You honestly think that me allowing him time, a person who kicked me out and is giving me reduced pay, is blackmail because I granted him the courtesy to have time to think about and deal with his errors? Or should I have just opened a scam accusation immediately without even giving him a chance? People have jobs, I'm not sure what time zone they are in or what their schedule is, so giving them time is not blackmail. Insane logic here, that me giving time and understanding to somebody to correct an issue is blackmail. |
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You are trolling, I consider what you are doing as trolling because they are not obligated to do anything other than enrolling people in their campaign, Count their posts and finally pay them. Did you receive your payment for your posts made last week or not? If you did then you are out as of now, The rest of the story is related to morality while you can't hold them accountable for going back on their words. Drop it and stop making things worse than this. I can hold them accountable, anybody can hold them accountable. It's a community. I'm not making things worse, or rather explain how am I? I'm trying to prevent people from having a lot of profit potential stripped from them because of a shitty manager who lies and cheats their users, then agrees to make it right, then also cheats them on that! Not to mention the threats and petty immature name calling. What about that makes things worse for the community? |
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Sorry for the interruption here guys, not bumping this thread but I need to make myself understand a few things here. I'll be putting everything one by one:
This one's for jeremypwr:
- Someone told me that there's no restriction on the number of posts a person can make on the forum in a day (not at least if the posts are of good quality). I've seen many members making more than 30 posts daily (I won't be disclosing names here) and their posts were helpful to the community which is why even moderators didn't delete them. What I don't understand here is: The rule of your campaign says that "Maximum of 8 posts/day will be counted towards total post count", so how it makes someone restricted to making posts more than 8 a day? They can post as much as they want and you can only count 8 of them per day according to the rule, right? So, where did the need arises for you to ask the user WaffleMaster to delete their posts? You might have paid them for the total posts considering 8 posts/day and not their ^12 posts^ for that day. You might have removed them for kinda post- bursting if they committed it. Nowhere under the rules section can I find anything like that written that a user is RESTRICTED to making 8 posts ONLY per day. Mind explaining me where am I wrong here?
This one's for WaffleMaster:
- You've been playing all well before I saw you claiming the services of Bet oh sorry, Bitcasino [FTFY] and Sportsbet scam. You started everything with the manager and your fight was for the money you wanted for your work and jeremypwr was the manager to deal with it. Now tell me, what made you think that the mentioned websites and/or their employees are scam? Didn't you ask the question to the manager that I asked here currently? And when it was clearly written by the manager over the campaign's OP that "I can remove you from the Campaign at any time, for whatever reason", why couldn't you just take it and move on? What's all this drama for? He said he was ready to pay you, then why?
Hi, thanks for the questions. People can post as much as they want, but only 8 will be counted towards the 25. He was asking, no telling me and under threat of no payment, to delete my posts detailing the events that have transpired of his error and scamming me and the threats etc. because it hurts his reputation (obviously) and the companies who involve themselves with him. If you look through my post count from between July 24 and July 21 3 AM EST you will see no more than 8 posts a day. Anyways, as stated previously, yes a campaign manager can boot anybody they want. It's good for the forum and the campaign to have only high quality. What's not ok is when they realize there is an error, make a written confirmation that things will be returning to normal before the error (pay increased and back on campaign), and then don't follow their own written agreement, that's where the scam really happens. And it cost me a lot of profit potential. It's likely illegal (like we care at all about that, I don't) and would be enforced by a court. You can't boot somebody in error, say you'll make things normal again, then refuse to honor that. And it's all in writing to boot (very important in courts). Anyways, enough with that old argument. If you read the company's threads, they actually have a lot of issues that they say are resolved but actually aren't. Thanks for your interest, hope you have a good one |
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I think you're the one that's really not getting it. Here's the offer which he said "Yes, amends" to. "everything made right" "continue as normal" very clear words that mean everything goes back to the way it should.
Exactly, and the way it should be - you're getting your payment for one week, nothing more. In the rules it was stated that manager can remove you from the campaign for whatever reason and threatening to give scam accusation for one small mistake which he was about to fix seems like a good reason. I think if you behaved more politely there could've been a chance for you to stay, but not sure here, maybe manager just didn't like your posts quality, it's seriously up to him. Do you know what "return to normal" means? It means going back to how it was before the error happened...which is pretty self explanatory and something he agreed to. But... it didn't happen even after we scrubbed the confrontation from being seen by anybody else. I don't think you're correct about staying if I said something differently. I was very reasonable through the whole thing, willing to put it past us. Gave him benefit of the doubt and the time to look over things in case he couldn't be on the forum immediately. But he had other ideas. Like in these photos. Do you think that's ok to threaten people? Withhold payment you said you'd pay? Continually say he shouldn't pay me for services I already completed?    |
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I don't get why you push yourself into the campaign when all is over for you the bounty manager decides to cut you participation. He decides to terminate you from it, its not like you have the contract to finish the entire duration of the campaign while you can bash his management and you getting paid for doing it. That's not going to happen. Would it be fair to the bounty manager you bitching around while you get paid by his campaign?
Give yourself a break @WaffleMaster.
Oh yeah, I totally agree. After his behavior and incompetence I sent this pm, in the picture below. Basically I could no longer be a part of the campaign regardless if they wanted a do-over. Because of all the threats, withholding payment unfairly, being petty and calling me names, taunting me and all the other stuff. So now it's just about raising awareness around this terrible manager, his misconduct, threats and all that. Maybe people will think twice and not allow him to do this to anybody else. Technically I'm pretty sure that agreement would hold up in the court of law, it is a written agreement to return to normal, but we're not in court and we're not going there |
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And also scamming and lying and going back on an agreement worth $840 is nothing to you?
I'm confused. Where is the part where he scammed you? You were only entitled a $120 work for a week and as far as I can see you have only done 1 week of "work". He agreed to pay you that and yet you ramble here with your butthurt because you can't get what you want. He's the one managing the campaign and he has the rights to deny anyone. As for that $840 you keep mentioning, it's not like it will go in his pocket. He will use it to pay that someone else who he hired as a replacement. Just take the money shut up and move on with your life. This argument of yours will go nowhere. Ahhh, newly made troll accounts coming out now. That's how you know when you start winning the moral high ground Kidding, but really it is quite telling. So, besides these points already being mentioned and completely thought through and penetrated logically with empirical evidence, I guess I'll entertain this. Only briefly. Agreeing to make everything fixed and return it to normal would have included me back in the campaign among the payment being for 25 posts instead of 18. I deleted my stuff as per the agreement, and then the campaign manager didn't follow through. IE they lied. IE they scammed me by not holding up their end of the deal, which they literally agreed to. (I suppose I must keep posting these pictures just so people can get some context). Just so happens this was worth $840 in profit potential, which I would have easily claimed if the campaign manager had not been so bad at managing and acting in bad faith. I'm sure you've seen the other photos. Notice how I use the term "shorting me payment" because I understand managers have the right to kick people out as they choose, it is what everybody agrees to in the rules. However, when a separate agreement is made to negate that and correct errors, that is something else entirely that sits on top of those previous agreements. Make sense?  Yes, a campaign manager can choose to remove people. He did that to me in error. That's fine, I pointed the error out and asked him to fix everything and bring it back to normal. He said he would fix everything and It would be normal. He didn't, that's a scam. And it's worth $840 in future campaign earnings. But you don't care, it didn't happen to you. So we should probably just drop it and let it happen to somebody else too? No. |
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Interesting you excluded the photo of him extorting me after he agreed to pay what he was then threatening to withhold. Also, what is interesting is your viewpoint that I'm not being scammed 7 weeks of campaign payment because he agreed to "make everything right" from his error which would certainly include reinstating me in the campaign. That's $840 in potential earnings scammed because here he is in pictures agreeing to what I stated.
Not only that, for some reason he thinks or is twisting me giving him 24 hours to correct the mistake of scamming me 7 posts before opening a scam accusation for those 7 posts, is me actually blackmailing him. Which I think is pretty evidently false. But what to know what IS blackmailing and extortion?
I excluded the photo simply because I don't want people to go through half of the page to read what they could've read earlier, I responded to the whole situation. Fair enough You're really not getting it, manager never agreed to have you for 7 more weeks, "amends" meant those 120$ for one week. And "you have 24 hours to respond" that's not the way you treat a campaign manager, that actually is a blackmail and who are you to lay down conditions?
I think you're the one that's really not getting it. Here's the offer which he said "Yes, amends" to. "everything made right" "continue as normal" very clear words that mean everything goes back to the way it should. You honestly think that me allowing him time, a person who kicked me out in error and is giving me reduced pay in error, is blackmail because I granted him the courtesy to have time to think about and deal with his errors? Or should I have just opened a scam accusation immediately without even giving him a chance? Insane logic here, that me giving time and understanding to somebody to correct an issue is blackmail. Absolutely batshit. |
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You're blacmailing him by forcing or insisting to let you stay on his campaign. I agree with him, YOU'RE A TOTAL MORON. You can't understand a simple logic. Let me input it into your brain by making the letters bold: HE IS THE MANAGER AND HE HAD THE RIGHT TO KICK YOU OUT FROM HIS CAMPAIGN WITHOUT ANY EXPLANATION!What am I doing by forcing or insisting he allow me back into the campaign? I said I wouldn't even be involved after all this, check my pm logs I have in my scam accusation. ALSO, HE LITERALLY AGREED IN WRITING TO LET ME BACK IN, fixing his error. Any manager has a right to kick somebody out. When they admit it was a mistake and say they will make everything right, but then don't, that's a scam. And this scam was worth $840. But I guess you don't care because it doesn't happen to you and you just choose to ignore all the evidence, pictures, pms. revealing the fraud, dishonesty, extortion, immaturity, bad managing and rule breaking of an individual is not blackmail. The 2nd pm is after he was continuously threatening to withhold agreed to funds, as in the pictures above. |
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You are saying that you have decided not to let him/her into any of your campaigns? Why are you arguing then? You pay them for their posts and say you are out, There is nothing more to this. I know you don't believe that. There's a lot more to it, as you can see. This campaign is heavily damaged now because of the words and actions of the manager who made a lot of mistakes and broke many rules. I think you are missing the point here, You participated, posted and received the payment, Now you're out. Whether the manager agreed to enroll you back or not, That's the manager's decision. You are not owed anything by anyone. One of the rules of every campaign is that the manager has the right to deny or accept anyone they want, You have been denied and they have already paid for your posts made last week. They kicked me out in error and reduced my payment unfairly, and in error. They then accepted and stated they would fix everything and things would return to normal. These images mean nothing to you? And also scamming and lying and going back on an agreement worth $840 is nothing to you? They agreed to all of that AFTER the first terms and conditions, which means it overrules it. Your logic doesn't hold up at all. You don't care whether or not they agreed to something in writing? Which THEY DID agree to. These honestly feel like alts LOL because every logical counterpoint I make, which is held up by evidence, doesn't seem to phase you people with random opinions based on flimsy arguments. You keen on talking about payment? Talk about these payment interactions then. |
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I was owed back into the campaign according to the agreement, which he just admitted was valid. So now what do you say? It's not scamming to put in writing that you'll make everything right, we'll delete it all and forget about it and not follow through with his end? Which lead me to exposing him? And Pharmacist, as you say he has the right to kick me out, yes he did, until he agreed to put me back in, which is in writing and you seem to acknowledge. Scammed $860 in potential because he is butthurt that he didn't follow through and I felt the need to expose all this bullshit he's pulling BECAUSE OF HIS MISTAKE.
No, he did not owe something from you. He is the campaign manager and you are a participant, you can not force him to let you stay if he wanted to kick you out, it is his prerogative. In fact, you are the one who's blackmailing him. Move on bro, look for another campaign. You already paid for your work, so, it's done. How am I blackmailing him? How did I ever blackmail him? I gave him a days worth to figure out the situation and what he wants to do before opening a scam accusation against him for not paying me .0042 BTC more than he says he owed me (his mistake, really a bad campaign manager for all of this, but that especially). That's really fair allowing him time. He might have had work or be sleeping, or wanted to fix it (surprise, he just lied about wanting to make everything right). Yes, a campaign manager can choose to remove people. He did that to me in error. That's fine, I pointed the error out and asked him to fix everything. He said he would fix everything. He didn't, that's a scam. And it's worth $840 in future campaign earnings. But you don't care, it didn't happen to you. So we should probably just drop it and let it happen to somebody else too? No. Also, he does owe me something if HE AGREES TO IT IN WRITING. (last picture) You talk about payment, what do you think about this payment talk in the pictures? Want to just ignore it? |
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You are saying that you have decided not to let him/her into any of your campaigns? Why are you arguing then? You pay them for their posts and say you are out, There is nothing more to this. I know you don't believe that. There's a lot more to it, as you can see. This campaign is heavily damaged now because of the words and actions of the manager who made a lot of mistakes and broke many rules. |
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