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441  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How can we prevent similar tragedies in the future? on: September 20, 2014, 05:27:50 AM
Since they're still on line, accepting money, something needs to be done.

Start filling out this Securities and Exchange Commission complaint form now.

Doesn't matter if they're not in the US, if you are and they sold to you.

Select the "Ponzi scheme" option (the first option; the SEC gets these a lot).

If you lost money, check the Yes box for "Are you having or have you had difficulty in getting access to your funds or securities?".

Check the "Yes" box for "Is the alleged conduct ongoing?".

Keep going; there are options to attach documents.

The SEC brings the hammer down on Ponzi schemes all the time. Their most recent enforcement action for a Ponzi was on September 17th. Doesn't matter if it's in Bitcoins; the SEC won on that issue in court last year on another Bitcoin Ponzi. Doesn't matter that they have "private domain registration" and are being hosted by a "cloud service"; the SEC can find them.

It's worth reporting this even if the parties are not in the US. Someday, they just might pass through US Customs, and they'll be in the database.
442  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: What is your idea about fractional reserve practice at bitcoin exchanges? on: September 20, 2014, 05:03:31 AM
They don't need customer funds to earn money, they just need to create their own virtual funds

A simple example: I'm an exchange and I create an account with 1 million bitcoins, then I dump those coins to drive the price down from $500 range to $50 range, then I buy back all of those coins and drive the price back to $500 range. This account still have 1 million bitcoins but also have 1 million x $100 = $100 million dollars (Suppose the average profit is $100 during the sell-off). This is a very profitable business, I don't see the reason why exchanges don't want to do it?

From exchange's perspective, the only risk is: When they sell the coins, there might be large buyers absorbed all their coins thus force them to buy back at a higher price. But exchanges see all the clients' data, as soon as they see the large amount of customer deposit is arriving, they could always abort the operation before those fiat money are credited to the customer's account. They could even delay the deposit process to make more room for themselves
This is known as "speculating with customer funds". It's a form of theft. The US SEC routinely has people prosecuted for this.
443  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: Remember the old saying about the Gold rush? on: September 19, 2014, 06:43:55 PM
Only the tools sellers make money while all the miners are competing and killing each other.

The Big Four, the most powerful men in California after the Gold Rush, and how they got started:
 -Leland Stanford - general store, wholesale
- Collis Potter Huntington - dry goods
- Mark Hopkins - wholesale groceries
- Charles Crocker - hardware

Then they got together and set up the Southern Pacific Railroad. None of them made their money mining gold.
444  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Did Mt.Gox ask for Provisional Administration or did the Court order it? on: September 18, 2014, 05:56:04 PM
The fog cover over details of the case or what really happened to shutter Mt. Gox is virtually complete, and has remained that way for more than 6 months.
That's what bothers me. Where are the Tokyo police in this?

It took a while for it to come out, but Karpeles' business, Tibanne, is still in operation.  Tibanne employed all the employees, rented the office space, and owned all the equipment. Mt. Gox was just a shell.
445  Economy / Speculation / Re: BTC prices at $410 !!! Warning signals up ahead ?? on: September 18, 2014, 05:44:42 PM
Bitcoincharts may be broken. According to them, Bitfinex hasn't made a trade since September 9th.

Remember, Bitcoincharts is run by Mark Karpeles.
446  Economy / Speculation / Re: BTC prices at $410 !!! Warning signals up ahead ?? on: September 18, 2014, 05:40:01 PM
Take a look at BTCE.  There's one big buy order for about 600BTC at $400, and then nothing for a long, long way down. Trading is so thin there that market manipulation is easy.
447  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How can we prevent similar tragedies in the future? on: September 18, 2014, 05:28:39 PM
"Returns of up to 130% in just 24 hours." Of course it was a Ponzi scheme. What did you think was going to happen?
448  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Robocoin rocks on: September 17, 2014, 10:37:13 PM
Less 15% spread and 5% fee.
449  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin craze dying down? on: September 17, 2014, 08:52:12 PM
Its what i like to call the Dell Dump. What is the Dell Dump? The Dell Dump is is the name I gave the situation where all companies involved in accepting bitcoin dump their coins for fiat.
Most of the companies that accept  Bitcoins immediately convert them to fiat. Usually through Coinbase, because Coinbase is now integrated with several popular shopping cart programs. Coinbase then dumps them on some exchange.

That's just fine. Bitcoin is doing what it was originally supposed to do - support retail transactions. It's a medium of exchange. No problem there.

As an investment, Bitcoin generates no revenue, so it's inherently a poor investment. All gains from holding Bitcoin come at the expense of some loser somewhere. It's a zero-sum game.
450  Economy / Speculation / Re: Is this the reason the bitcoin price is not exploding right now? on: September 17, 2014, 03:29:11 AM
The miners are not "burning" electricity. They are using the electricity to perform mathematical calculations that prevent people from spending the same money twice. This is not unlike how banks power their computer systems to keep track of account holders' balances
Each full Bitcoin node keeps track of enough data to detect spending the same money twice. At the current transaction volume, that's a background job on a PC. That's all the compute power needed for accounting. All those racks of ASIC machines are doing no accounting whatsoever. Attached to an ASIC farm is some modest PC doing the block chain work.
451  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Bitstamp's first annual statements on: September 16, 2014, 07:49:05 PM
They need an audit. They're not entitled to the "small company exemption" with assets of US$64 million. Here's the "Companies Act" section to which they refer. They may be able to claim that they were a small company in 2012, and get a year after becoming a large company in 2013 to comply. For 2014, they need a full audit.

Also, an annual statement normally contains both a statement of operations and a balance sheet. They just have a balance sheet, and one with too little information. All their liabilities, including customer deposits, are consolidated into one number.

This is worthless.
452  Economy / Speculation / Re: Is this the reason the bitcoin price is not exploding right now? on: September 16, 2014, 06:53:45 PM
No.

The amount of money being spent on mining will be roughly equal to the selling price of new Bitcoins produced. The Bitcoin price drives the level of mining activity, not the other way round. Difficulty has little impact on Bitcoin price. In the last six months, Bitcoin difficulty has gone to the moon as huge mining farms have been built. Bitcoin price has gone nowhere.
453  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: How can bitcoin be anything if all the exchanges SUCK? on: September 16, 2014, 07:25:01 AM
Use an ATM. They are quick and easy, and generally aren't going to rip you off.
The Robocoin at Hacker Dojo in Mountain View has a 15% bid/ask spread and a $5 fee.
454  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: As some of us enter Winter, here're some calculations on true cost of mining on: September 16, 2014, 04:01:32 AM
exelent calculations, so this means you have found a very good way to earn out of mining, which miners do you use ?
GPUs
Not even worth turning them on. Calculate your mean time to mine one block. Decades or worse, probably.
455  Economy / Goods / Re: Unheated/Untreated ruby 1.27 carats with GIA report on: September 16, 2014, 03:59:37 AM

Baguette cut Gems 5# ruby synthetic ruby on sale
US $0.00542 - 0.0058 / Piece
Supply Ability:    5,000,000 Piece/Pieces per Month
Jiang Yuan Gems, Wuzhou city,Guangxi.
456  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Reddit Blocked Our Pro-Bitcoin, Anti-Banking Site BanksWorstFear.com - entirely on: September 16, 2014, 03:43:51 AM
Let's bring things back into context. You were banned for paying people to post in your subreddit;-

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=765470.0

You're making out like you're some poor persecuted crypto warrior.
Right. Live by spam, die by spam.
457  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: White label Bitcoin exchanges on: September 16, 2014, 03:41:39 AM
This isn't a tube site or affiliate program you're building. White label anything should never be used when you're dealing with other peoples' money.
Theoretically since they are managing multi9ple exchanges, they should have more resources to spend on security/pen testing.
Doesn't protect against an inside job. Most Bitcoin losses have involved the people running the business.
458  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: bitcoin difficulty + btc price on: September 15, 2014, 07:49:59 PM
difficulty up --> time --> price up
No.

Look at the price and difficulty graphs for the last six months. Difficulty is going to the moon, price is going nowhere.

Difficulty should start to level off when price/performance of Bitcoin ASICs levels off. Probably in 2015.
459  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: How can bitcoin be anything if all the exchanges SUCK? on: September 15, 2014, 07:34:05 PM
Today banks can't do it, no legal frames in the USA, what I know, but it will be changed soon, I hope.
Any stockbroker could do it. None of them have chosen to do so.
460  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Coinbase Insured on: September 15, 2014, 07:07:34 AM
Google "Meridian Global Insurance Limited" Xapo's insurance company, see what turns up... http://help.xapo.com/questions/89743-Is-Xapo-insured-by-a-third-party-insurance-company
Right. They own their own insurance company, which insures them. It's based in Bermuda. Not good.

Some very big companies like AT&T and Boeing have their own captive insurers, but that's usually for tax reasons. They handle things like auto insurance for company cars, and maybe fire insurance. Captive insurers usually re-insure; they have a policy with another insurer with some multi-million dollar deductible in case something really bad happens. The little stuff they handle in-house.

Xapo, not so much.
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