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1361  Other / Off-topic / Re: Flat Earth on: November 16, 2019, 10:03:14 PM
We really need to keep this thread going... just to show how ridiculous the FE idea is.

Cool

How can a retired Polish astronaut/cosmonaut have gone to space and say the Earth is flat? If the Earth is flat there is no space, so he can't have gone there, and if he didn't go to space he's not an astronaut/cosmonaut.
1362  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 16, 2019, 09:54:42 PM
Sorry to distract ya'll from an apparent dick measuring contest...

What's your take on perpetual trusts?
Here is Guardian's:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/nov/14/the-great-american-tax-haven-why-the-super-rich-love-south-dakota-trust-laws

I think that this would be relevant to bitcoin later on.
There are lots of "golden nuggets" in this article.
The main conclusion is that we might be changing the society by allowing perpetual trusts (details in the article).


This golden nugget is relevant to some US bitcoiners right now. How many will be moving to South Dakota before cashing out to avoid capital gains tax?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/nov/14/the-great-american-tax-haven-why-the-super-rich-love-south-dakota-trust-laws

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South Dakota has no income tax, no inheritance tax and no capital gains tax

The perpetual trusts thing seems a massive deal, and probably will be relevant to Bitcoin later on.

Well, hold your horses, there are still federal taxes, including capital gains tax. It's not written very clearly.
The only no cap gains tax for US citizens is the Puerto-Rico deal, but it is only until 2035 and only on cap gains AFTER you domesticated/moved your assets there.
Plus, you HAVE to reside there 183 days/year.


That explains why nobody has already suggested South Dakota.

I read about the pros and cons of the Puerto-Rico deal here. Like you say, it's complicated.

https://cointelegraph.com/news/are-tax-moves-to-puerto-rico-worth-it-for-crypto-holders
1363  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 16, 2019, 09:04:47 PM
Sorry to distract ya'll from an apparent dick measuring contest...

What's your take on perpetual trusts?
Here is Guardian's:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/nov/14/the-great-american-tax-haven-why-the-super-rich-love-south-dakota-trust-laws

I think that this would be relevant to bitcoin later on.
There are lots of "golden nuggets" in this article.
The main conclusion is that we might be changing the society by allowing perpetual trusts (details in the article).


This golden nugget is relevant to some US bitcoiners right now. How many will be moving to South Dakota before cashing out to avoid capital gains tax?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/nov/14/the-great-american-tax-haven-why-the-super-rich-love-south-dakota-trust-laws

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South Dakota has no income tax, no inheritance tax and no capital gains tax

Both jbreher and infofront were discussing Puerto Rico regarding that.

I researched Puerto Rico quite thoroughly a while ago. I think it ended up being 0% capital gains taxes all the way around.

The problem is, you still pay full capital gains taxes on anything you've purchased up to the point of becoming a resident. It's only the capital gains taxes you accrue after becoming a resident that are tax free.

Takes half-year+1day to establish residency. Not too onerous, for someone sitting on a pile of cap gains. Not by half.

The perpetual trusts thing seems a massive deal, and probably will be relevant to Bitcoin later on.
1364  Other / Off-topic / Re: Free energy is real on: November 16, 2019, 07:18:05 PM

 Stick to music dude; you suck at physics.

Seems he didn't learn the termo dynamics laws while he was schooling. Cheesy

For OP "The first law of thermodynamics, also known as Law of Conservation of Energy, states that energy can neither be created nor destroyed; energy can only be transferred or changed from one form to another."

He challenges you to find an error in his math.

1365  Other / Off-topic / Re: Flat Earth on: November 16, 2019, 07:09:08 PM
^^^ The globe is fake news, that's when.


NASA IS A PROPAGANDA AGENCY!!!


Retired Polish Astronaut Says Earth is Flat !!!! -- https://youtu.be/oVa1fRgTiAw

If he's Polish he's called a cosmonaut, not an astronaut.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miros%C5%82aw_Hermaszewski

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Mirosław Hermaszewski (born 15 September 1941) is a retired Polish Air Force officer and cosmonaut. He became the first (and to this day remains the only) Polish national in space...
1366  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 16, 2019, 05:57:51 PM
This was a cool thread I found while browsing satoshi posts... don't know where else to put it, so I'm putting it here for now.

Who's the Spanish jerk draining the Faucet?

I just shut down freebitcoins.appspot.com; it looks like somebody in Spain is being a jerk and getting a new IP address, bitcoin address, and solving the captcha.  Over and over and over again:

(...code bit snipped out...)

Those IP addresses all map to Telefonica de Espana.  If it was you:  give them back, please: 15VjRaDX9zpbA8LVnbrCAFzrVzN7ixHNsC

Now that 5 bitcoins is worth a fair bit, I'm thinking I need more cheating countermeasures.  I can think of four things to try:

(...technical bit snipped out...)

If you get rate limited, you'll get a message that asks you to try again tomorrow.

BitcoinFX: thanks again for the donation to the faucet; I'm going to drain the Faucet below 500 coins temporarily, and will refill it with your donation after the new cheating countermeasures are in place.

Wonder if our dirty Spaniard was much of a HODLer....

Wobber also drained the faucet, but only as a demonstration to warn Gavin with. He paid back the 50 BTC.


gavinandersen

I've been able to drawn 50 BTC in minutes using Tor. Please add some address filter too, so the same address can't be used twice. I'll also provide a Tor blacklist if you'd like.
PS: I've paid back those BTCs.

1367  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 16, 2019, 01:39:04 AM
^ Talking about Gox.... any news on when they will distribute the coins/fiat? I would like to put that fiat to good use buying some more corn before the halving comes. Any chance?

Also it would be terrible if they keep delaying the distribution and decide to give out the coins at a much higher price. The sooner the better for everyone.

Maybe another two years.


https://www.coindesk.com/coinlabs-mt-gox-claim-may-hold-up-payouts-for-another-2-years

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The head of the largest organized creditor group representing the former users of failed bitcoin exchange Mt. Gox is stepping down amid what he described as a protracted legal quagmire that could take years to resolve completely.

Andy Pag, the founder and coordinator of Mt. Gox Legal, told CoinDesk in an exclusive interview this week that he now believes ongoing legal issues – in particular, a single massive claim by startup incubator and former Mt. Gox partner Coinlab – may hold up the crypto exchange’s civil rehabilitation process for up to two more years.


This thread seems to be the best to get updates from.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=179586.6900
1368  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 15, 2019, 02:31:07 AM
But the mesh chairs aren't going to be as comfortable as finding a well-designed memory foam chair (if they even exist).

Says the person who -- in the very same sentence -- admits he's never sat in one.

<whatevs>

I'm sitting comfortably in the chair you derided, while you're whinging about your chair's lumbar support pain. Observers can draw their own conclusions.

Are you sure it's safe? I threw some memory foam away after reading about the dodgy chemicals in it.

Are you sure you haven't lost the plot? It appears you are asking me? I'm not the one touting memory foam. For reference:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.msg53059453#msg53059453

Sorry, I misconstrued your post. I wasn't familiar with classy chairs like the $500+ Carl Tatz eChair, or the $1000+ Aeron.

I thought you were referring to something like the Sanwa Direct Fluffy Floor Chair Memory Foam Urethane & Mesh.



This is the type of chair I'm familiar with.



Either that or the Fluffy Floor Chair.
1369  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 14, 2019, 11:01:33 AM
But the mesh chairs aren't going to be as comfortable as finding a well-designed memory foam chair (if they even exist).

Says the person who -- in the very same sentence -- admits he's never sat in one.

<whatevs>

I'm sitting comfortably in the chair you derided, while you're whinging about your chair's lumbar support pain. Observers can draw their own conclusions.

Are you sure it's safe? I threw some memory foam away after reading about the dodgy chemicals in it.

https://hullopillow.com/that-memory-foam-smell/

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... there are various reports and studies which indicate that memory foam may be somewhat toxic. Reports include carcinogenic chemicals and formaldehyde gas. To manufacture memory foam, chemicals are added to polyurethane to make it more dense and viscous at the same time. Additional chemicals are required to make the polyurethane flame retardant. One of these, Pentabde (of the polybrominated diphenyl ether (PBDE) family), was used until 2004. Pentabde is now known to be toxic to the liver, thyroid, and nervous system.(1) A study in 2000 specifically found mattress emissions to be toxic to the lungs of labratory mice.(2)
1370  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 14, 2019, 01:47:50 AM


1371  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 14, 2019, 01:08:59 AM
1372  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 13, 2019, 09:37:43 PM

No bumpersticker picture, I just got the login screen.
1373  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 31, 2019, 06:01:09 PM
Remember the guy who ''lost'' 4 BTC after using the LN?

It was a major lie.

Must have been a shitcoiner.

I'll bet on that those fake news were funded by the Vermin. (You know who) I still don't trust LN blindfolded but i also know it wasn't meant to be used with big money like 4 btc. You literally need to he retarded to risk so much money on that tech.

Fu vermin.

There's always people making stupid mistakes. This block's miner earned 12.5 BTC and simultaneously spent 12.5 BTC on fees.

https://www.blockchain.com/btc/block-height/501726
1374  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 22, 2019, 04:56:44 PM
Sept-Oct-Nov season in

2019
2018
2017



In 2017, Bitcoin went up

In 2018, Bitcoin went down

Now the multi million dollar question: Where does bitcoin goes in the last quarter 2019 ?

Anybody who says they know is lying. Nobody knows.
1375  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 21, 2019, 10:58:48 PM


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Next major upgrade I'm waiting for is the new Mac Pro.

Likewise. As soon as Pro Tools is qualified on macOS 10.15, I be pulling the trigger. (I'm assuming that will be after the new Mac Pro is shipping).

Do you have to pay for the equivalent of windows kb updates in macOS? I've never used it, but I read somewhere you get charged for updates.
1376  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 16, 2019, 03:47:02 PM

Of course, late 2015 showed that the $300 dumper had been wrong, but we still don't know who that was,...



Maybe it was the VELIKA BRITANIJA BITCOIN SUB-FUND.

Hmm.. bearwhale does not show up in the financial list demanded by EU for any tx exceeding €30k in areas where there "is a greater probability of occurrence of money laundering or terrorist financing"*

http://www.uppd.gov.si/si/delovna_podrocja/vsebinska_podrocja/objave_38_clen_zppdft/podatki_o_transakcijah_38_clen_zppdft/ -- Where you find the newest lists.
http://www.uppd.gov.si/fileadmin/uppd.gov.si/pageuploads/NAKAZILA/Arhiv/nakazila_06012014.xls - The most up to date list

* Google translate http://www.uppd.gov.si/si/delovna_podrocja/vsebinska_podrocja/objave_38_clen_zppdft/

edit: Actually I think I might have a good candidate for who bearwhale is even though the dates dont add up:

5496   10.12.2013   BITSTAMP LIMITED   5 JUPITER HOUSE CALLEVA PARK, ALDER, BERKSHIRE, VELIKA BRITANIJA      BITCOIN SUB-FUND   BERMUDA, HM DX HAMILTON, BERMUDI   999 099   840
5495   10.12.2013   BITSTAMP LIMITED   5 JUPITER HOUSE CALLEVA PARK, ALDER, BERKSHIRE, VELIKA BRITANIJA      BITCOIN SUB-FUND   BERMUDA, HM DX HAMILTON, BERMUDI   999 099   840
5494   10.12.2013   BITSTAMP LIMITED   5 JUPITER HOUSE CALLEVA PARK, ALDER, BERKSHIRE, VELIKA BRITANIJA      BITCOIN SUB-FUND   BERMUDA, HM DX HAMILTON, BERMUDI   999 099   840
5493   10.12.2013   BITSTAMP LIMITED   5 JUPITER HOUSE CALLEVA PARK, ALDER, BERKSHIRE, VELIKA BRITANIJA      BITCOIN SUB-FUND   BERMUDA, HM DX HAMILTON, BERMUDI   999 099   840
5492   10.12.2013   BITSTAMP LIMITED   5 JUPITER HOUSE CALLEVA PARK, ALDER, BERKSHIRE, VELIKA BRITANIJA      BITCOIN SUB-FUND.   BERMUDA, HM DX HAMILTON, BERMUDI   999 099   840
5491   10.12.2013   BITSTAMP LIMITED   5 JUPITER HOUSE CALLEVA PARK, ALDER, BERKSHIRE, VELIKA BRITANIJA      BITCOIN SUB-FUND   BERMUDA, HM DX HAMILTON, BERMUDI   999 099   840
5490   10.12.2013   BITSTAMP LIMITED   5 JUPITER HOUSE CALLEVA PARK, ALDER, BERKSHIRE, VELIKA BRITANIJA      BITCOIN SUB-FUND   BERMUDA, HM DX HAMILTON, BERMUDI   49 888   840
5489   10.12.2013   BITSTAMP LIMITED   5 JUPITER HOUSE CALLEVA PARK, ALDER, BERKSHIRE, VELIKA BRITANIJA      BITCOIN SUB-FUND   BERMUDA, HM DX HAMILTON, BERMUDI   999 099   840

5449   04.12.2013   BITSTAMP LIMITED   5 JUPITER HOUSE CALLEVA PARK, ALDER, BERKSHIRE, VELIKA BRITANIJA      BITCOIN SUB-FUND EMERGING   BERMUDA, HM DX HAMILTON, MALTA   999 099

5397   02.12.2013   BITSTAMP LIMITED   5 JUPITER HOUSE CALLEVA PARK, ALDER, BERKSHIRE, VELIKA BRITANIJA      BITCOIN SUB-FUND   BERMUDA, HM DX HAMILTON, MALTA   999 099
5396   02.12.2013   BITSTAMP LIMITED   5 JUPITER HOUSE CALLEVA PARK, ALDER, BERKSHIRE, VELIKA BRITANIJA      BITCOIN SUB-FUND   BERMUDA, HM DX HAMILTON, MALTA   999 099
5395   02.12.2013   BITSTAMP LIMITED   5 JUPITER HOUSE CALLEVA PARK, ALDER, BERKSHIRE, VELIKA BRITANIJA      BITCOIN SUB-FUND   BERMUDA, HM DX HAMILTON, MALTA   604 937
5394   02.12.2013   BITSTAMP LIMITED   5 JUPITER HOUSE CALLEVA PARK, ALDER, BERKSHIRE, VELIKA BRITANIJA      BITCOIN SUB-FUND   BERMUDA, HM DX HAMILTON, MALTA   999 099

26.11.2013   BITSTAMP LIMITED   5 JUPITER HOUSE CALLEVA PARK, ALDER, BERKSHIRE, VELIKA BRITANIJA      BITCOIN SUB-FUND   BERMUDA, HM DX HAMILTON, BERMUDI   999 099
25.11.2013   BITSTAMP LIMITED   5 JUPITER HOUSE CALLEVA PARK, ALDER, BERKSHIRE, VELIKA BRITANIJA      BITCOIN SUB-FUND   BERMUDA, HM DX HAMILTON, BERMUDI   999 099

So only in december those guys cashed out ~€11,6 million euro - and if we add late november we are at €13,6 million - about $16million dollars.

Think its pretty obvious who has been in complete control of the price of bitcoin over at stamp Wink Both the pumps and dumps are lead by those guys - http://bitcoinfund.eu/

Nice timing getting out before stamp collapsed.

edit: Jon Matonis wrote an article about bitcoinfund for forbes http://www.forbes.com/sites/jonmatonis/2013/03/08/first-bitcoin-hedge-fund-launches-from-malta/ - For those that don't know, he was the former executive director of bitcoin foundation.
1377  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 16, 2019, 02:47:27 PM
New Plan: Dumping 50 BTC next time we cross $10k USD. Rick approved. He's nervous as well.

Fuck this action.

this is exactly what whales try to force the dump money to do even now at the 8k mark.

don't be the victim be the actor. refuse to be the victim always because it's not good for mentality health to get in this secondary position.

EDIT: sorry, mixed up decline and refuse  (not my mothertongue) Roll Eyes

Back in October 2014 a whale put up a 30000 Bitcoins sell wall at $300 on bitstamp. People were furiously dumping just below it, but it got eaten and a day later the price was far above $300.

Hodl, don't be the victim.

https://www.cnbc.com/2014/10/09/bitcoins-bearwhale-and-the-future-of-a-cryptocurrency.html

Here's what that wall did to the price (for a short time).



Here's the bear whale emerging.



And you can read the drama starting at this page.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.177100
1378  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 16, 2019, 12:00:51 AM

Yeah, WTF has that wall of text got to do with Atlantis?
1379  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 15, 2019, 11:26:08 PM
<snip>the oldest democracy of the world<snip>
Athens, Greece?

Atlantis?
1380  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 15, 2019, 10:10:56 PM
Genesis $0, High $32, Low $2
Halving $12, High $1163, Low $152
Halving $658, High $19892, Low $3129
#Bitcoin #Facts

via Imgflip Meme Generator

https://twitter.com/chartsbtc/status/1184124972999987202?s=21

Halving 2020 Price - $
High - $
Low - $

Fill in the blanks!

Halving 2020 Price - $ 9,652
High - $245,825
Low - $7,110



That low from there..... would feel like a assf*** from a 50 inch monster c*ck

50 inch wide?
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