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361  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: NEW Giveaway for "MasterCoins" - the new protocol layer built on bitcoin on: October 30, 2013, 03:48:14 PM
I'd like to publicly thank LuckyBit for doing this. He's doing a great job running this giveaway out of his own pocket (he'll be reimbursed, plus a measly 10%). I know from personal experience that running this thread takes a lot of time, mostly because of how painful it is to send MSC right now.

Thanks LuckyBit!
362  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Mastercoin2 – Can Mastercoin1 even work long-term? on: October 29, 2013, 04:31:19 PM
Wow. This is by far the most measured and logical discussion of MasterCoin I have ever seen. I think dillpicklechips did a fantastic job of making the case for forks being possible. Most critics tend to pepper their criticisms liberally with insults, which makes it hard to take them seriously. That was a very well-thought-out post.

I agree completely with Ron's analysis above. I believe he is correct that bitcoin's network effect is mostly coming from mindshare, and I believe the analogy extends nicely to MasterCoin. History will tell if we are right or wrong, but I believe that a more "fair" MasterCoin would have to come at the expense of development momentum. This is capitalism, folks - an inherently unfair system (on purpose).

Perhaps I should have done a longer fund-raiser, but it was long enough to raise the money we needed, and I was certainly not quiet about it. People who decided to trust a complete stranger with nothing more than a whitepaper and a bag of promises were taking a massive risk, and I think they are all pretty happy right now.

Now, we have a whitepaper, some websites which track MSC transfers, and a bag of promises, so I think it's safe to say we are still pretty early in this game Smiley
363  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Coolest thing currently being done with Bitcoin? on: October 29, 2013, 03:58:09 PM
I think the MasterCoin protocol is super awesome. It it works then bitcoin becomes more robust and demand goes up. Mastercoin is revolutionary and takes away more financial controls from the old system and decentralizes them for the people.

I'll second Mastercoin. As has been said elsewhere, it's definitely not just another altcoin. Moreover, development of the protocol is progressing rapidly, thanks to the simplicity of its design. (Full disclosure: I own some Mastercoin.)

Wow - thanks! You can't imagine how nice it is to have other people excited about this. I've been excited about it for a couple years, but I worked in solitude until very recently.
364  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: MasterCoin: New Protocol Layer Starting From “The Exodus Address” on: October 28, 2013, 11:59:23 PM
In order to avoid any accusations of giving people insider information on my plans for my own MSC, I'm posting this email between myself and David Johnston (WARNING: the following quote is heavily speculative! I'm NOT offering anyone investment advice - I just don't want to give unfair access to one person about my tentative plans)

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On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 2:12 PM, David Johnston wrote:
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    J.R.

    The Mastercoin project is making awesome progress. Its everything I was hoping the project could be.

    I'm just curious. Now that you have $4,000,000 in MSC value (just in the first 60 days), how is the convincing of the wife coming along?

    Any light on the horizon of her being convinced its something you should spend more of your working hours on?

    Thanks for all your work so far and great even handed leadership of the effort.

    Talk with you soon.

    Best Regards,

    David A. Johnston

Yeah, she knows that we now have a lot more of that crazy theoretical money Smiley

I really feel that the MSC price has a long way to go, and regardless of the price I doubt I will sell any at all before the new tax year starts, as I'd rather not have to deal with the tax implications any sooner than necessary. I'm more optimistic about future MSC values than even the wildest speculations I have seen (mostly based on my belief that the escrow funds will lock up most of the MSC float someday), but if we see another 10x of growth, I'd be able to quit my job after selling about 1% of my MSC, which would be pretty hard to resist.

I don't know how soon any of that might happen, but for now I'm not doing anything hasty . . .

Thanks!
365  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: MasterCoin: New Protocol Layer Starting From “The Exodus Address” on: October 28, 2013, 11:07:55 PM
I'm happy to report that the first distributed Mastercoin to Bitcoin transaction using the Mastercoin protocol has been done.

I sold 10 test Mastercoin to myself for the sum of 0.0001 Bitcoins. Let me explain how this works.


I added recent distributed transactions to the order book page on mastercoin-explorer.

I achieved all this using the mastercoin-explorer website and Bitcoind, if anybody knows how to deal with the Bitcoin-qt/d console and wants to try this let me know.

As always this is just my implementation of the rules set out by the official spec, this won't be set in stone until the other developers come up with their own implementations and they come to the same conclusion as my libraries. This is quite a difficult Mastercoin message so I expect things to change around a little before everything is final.

We are getting closer  Cheesy 


This post needs to be copied onto Reddit and then tweeted.

Reddit part: http://www.reddit.com/r/mastercoin/comments/1pf8o5/the_first_distributed_mastercoin_to_bitcoin/

We don't have an official twitter account, but anybody who wants to tweet it should feel free Smiley
366  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: MasterCoin: New Protocol Layer Starting From “The Exodus Address” on: October 28, 2013, 08:13:43 PM
Anybody interested in helping our chinese friends buy MSC and/or get involved in other ways?

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Hi David, J.R, Ron, Sam and Lee:

The MasterCoin has been very hot topic recently in China.

Please allow me introduce Mr. really Lee to you guys.

Really has translated the Mastercoin's white paper into Chinese version, he is running a Mastercoin community via QQ group with 65 members now. (Chines skype)

He told me that there are some Chinese are willing to purchase the Mastercoins, but they have no idea how to buy from second market, and they do not know
how to involve in the project development.....

IMHO: That will be great if you guys invite some Chinese into your group/foundation, help promote and protect Mastercoin project in China.

Anything I could be in assistance, please let me.

Any comments?

Cheers,

Bo

My response:

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Hi Lee!

I've posted a copy of this email in our project thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=265488.msg3429668#msg3429668

We're happy to support our Chinese friends getting involved with MasterCoin, although we don't have any websites or services in Chinese yet. That might be a good starting point for someone who wants to get involved, especially if they speak enough English to work with our developers making English sites. Note that someone who creates such a site will probably be eligible for some payment from our coding contest (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=292628.240). The potential Chinese buyers may want to pool their money and choose an English-speaking representative to make the purchase on their behalf on the ad-hoc exchange MaxMint is running (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=287145.0), then distribute the coins purchased to the people who contributed. Otherwise, they can use the distributed exchange when that is ready.

Thanks!

-J.R.
367  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: MasterCoin: New Protocol Layer Starting From “The Exodus Address” on: October 28, 2013, 06:10:53 PM
No, there will never be more mastercoins. You can't change that, even by forking. You can create other currencies by forking, but not mastercoins.

Well, I guess I'm imagining a scenario where the vast majority of people switch to a fork and continue calling it "MasterCoin" and recognize the old ones. If only one holdout didn't switch to the new fork, they'd have a tough time enforcing that semantic differentiation Smiley

My plan, as you well know, has always been to never have any more MSC, but if everybody else in the world decides differently, I can't really stop them.
368  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Marketplace (Altcoins) / Re: 300 BTC Coding Contest: Distributed Exchange (MasterCoin Developer Thread) on: October 28, 2013, 05:00:51 PM
Sorry I wasn't clear about the contest start date. I consider the new contest to be adjacent to the old one. Any work which supports the goals of this contest counts toward the contest. For instance, we need multi-sig issues ironed out for creating the distributed exchange, so that work definitely counts towards the contest.

Thanks guys.
369  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: MasterCoin: New Protocol Layer Starting From “The Exodus Address” on: October 28, 2013, 04:34:47 PM
There will never be more MasterCoins, unless the MasterCoin protocol gets hard-forked. Potentially anybody could do such a hard fork, and if it happened, people would have to decide if they wanted to stay or to join the new fork.

So far the price of BTC has risen faster than we can spend it, so we actually have a lot more money now than when we started, even though we've spent quite a bit. Of course, that could always change if BTC crashes, as it has been known to do. Because of that possibility, I'm a tightwad on a lot of things. Just ask the board - we're currently discussing whether we should hire a very prestigious PR firm who is offering us a discount and offering to take payment in BTC/MSC because they are hugely into what we are doing. However, it's still a LOT of money, and I'm looking at cheaper alternatives before we commit.
370  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Marketplace (Altcoins) / Re: MasterCoin Buyer/Seller Thread on: October 26, 2013, 12:16:30 AM
Why would you need to use the copy?  The alt-coins would be cheaper to acquire to use for the same effect.

You don't build Mastercoin2, you simply fork Mastercoin1 and there you go.  There is no advantage from network effect, everything can be cloned, and you have useless tokens.

Yeah! Just like what happened to bitcoin!

Oh wait . . .
371  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: MasterCoin: New Protocol Layer Starting From “The Exodus Address” on: October 25, 2013, 11:13:46 PM
I had an interesting conversation this week with Vitalik from the Bitcoin Magazine, and he suggested this cool feature:

Spending Limit

This feature would limit the rate at which a particular address can send mastercoins.

Here is how I would specify the feature: We would add two new operations SETUP_LIMITED_ACCOUNT and SET_LIMIT.

SETUP_LIMITED_ACCOUNT(priv_key_x, pub_key_y)

This operation would designate address Y as the "limiting address" of address X.
This means the owner of address Y can control the spending limits of address X.

SET_LIMIT(priv_key_y, pub_key_x, currency_ID, limit, time_period)

After a SET_LIMIT operation is transmitted (by the owner of address Y), only if there was a prior matching SETUP_LIMITED_ACCOUNT with Y's public key, then from now on outgoing transactions from address X in the specified currency are limited - for any window of blocks with length time_period, if any send operation would cause the sum of all send operations from address X within this window to cross limit, this send operation would be invalid.

The reason to use two different addresses is that we want to prevent an attacker that gained the private key of X to cheat the system by changing the send limit. You would use a more secure address Y to specify a send limit on address X (just like the Saving Account feature uses a Guardian Address (Y)).


The above is just my initial specification, we can beautify and formalize this a bit more.
I think it's a useful easy to implement feature and would love to see it in an upcoming version of the whitepaper.

Ron and I discussed this a bit earlier today. I think it's really a great idea and would mesh nicely with the savings wallet. Possibly they should be implemented together.

So many changes queueing up for the spec! Sorry guys.

I heard a rumor that somebody might be converting it to markdown for me, so we can put it in github Smiley
372  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: MasterCoin: New Protocol Layer Starting From “The Exodus Address” on: October 25, 2013, 08:04:06 PM
Are you out of your mind?!!! WTF?  Did you blame your mother . . .

(abusive flame deleted)

HammerFist's flame made me laugh, but I still deleted it. If I ever need someone to write a flame for me, I'm coming to you, man.

Let's try to keep it civil, folks.
373  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: NEW Giveaway for "MasterCoins" - the new protocol layer built on bitcoin on: October 25, 2013, 07:02:24 PM
Things I have done/am doing to promote Mastercoin:

  • Sent up a tweet about Mastercoin:  https://twitter.com/TravisPatron
  • Currently working on writing an article about the potential impacts of Mastercoin, will update when finished
  • Currently developing 'Minimum one website showing BTC/MSC price charts derived from these messages', JR I will update when I've made necessary progress

My Mt.Gox address is 1F9qoTaTr4WrT4uvmKpZuM7QYxhjVrtT8x.

Feel free to send over whatever you feel is deserved.

Don't use a Mt Gox account for this!!! They hold the private keys to your address, which means you can't set up a send from a specific address. If someone sends MSC there, Mt Gox will own them, not you!
374  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: MasterCoin: New Protocol Layer Starting From “The Exodus Address” on: October 25, 2013, 06:40:38 PM
Thanks, Dacoinminster and Tachikoma, for your responses.

Tachikoma, I've not known about the possibility of signing a raw transaction at Coinbase. I'll definitely try that one on Olaf, and report back.

Dacoinminster, I'm no expert and so I'll be the first to admit to being mistaken about what one shouldn't do with Mastercoin. However I did read the majority of this thread before 31 August to try to understand what I was doing, but, as it turns out, I ended up with the wrong idea.

I was clear that an Mt.Gox wallet wouldn't offer "full control" over my addresses and therefore wouldn't work. However a Blockchain wallet would work, even though it's a web wallet. Unfortunately I found no clear description of what "full control" constitutes, and so I made the mistake of assuming that because Coinbase supports address creation and retains a list of addresses used, that this was a sufficient level of control. This conclusion was based on the fact that Mt.Gox addresses associated with my account are not retained for me to access, whereas Coinbase addresses are.

So yes, I was mistaken. But I think that there was a significant lack of clarity about what would and wouldn't work. A simple list of wallets that wouldn't work would've sufficed. I spent several hours trawling this thread for clarity, but ended up being misled.


However this happened, I agree that it is very sad. I hope it wasn't a lot of money.
375  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: ProtoShares Bounty - 30 BTC Start Mining BitShares in November! on: October 25, 2013, 06:03:30 PM
It would be great to work together but we both have obligations to our respective investors.  Perhapse we can join forces once a winner is found. 

That would be awesome. Although I'm not convinced that there isn't room for both projects to succeed.
376  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: MasterCoin: New Protocol Layer Starting From “The Exodus Address” on: October 25, 2013, 05:20:43 PM
You will have to get access to your private key in order for any of the other methods to work for you.


Ok, from Coinbase's perspective, they'd have to implement these transaction classes for users, because they don't give users private keys.

I'll relay this to Olaf from Coinbase, who's been sympathetic, though unfortunately unable to get me out of this mess.

I think we should start a thread to address this issue. It would warn people about it, and help others who, like me, are victims of the decision to only support sendmany transactions - which was not made known until after the window period to initially buy Mastercoins came to an end.

To have supported this project and subsequently found that the Mastercoins I bought are locked ad infinitum is a horrible thing. Something should be done about it.

I'd just like to add that the problem here is NOT the sendmany requirement, but the requirement that you be able to send FROM a particular address, which coinbase doesn't give you. Even if coinbase added sendmany support, you would still be stuck.

People who invested from Android wallets (which don't support sendmany) have reason to be annoyed, but they can still get their MSC by exporting their private keys.

I've tried to make this requirement (to not use web wallets which don't give you access to private keys) clear any chance I get. I'm truly sorry that you invested without reading a bit more about MasterCoin's specific requirements.
377  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Marketplace (Altcoins) / Re: MasterCoin Buyer/Seller Thread on: October 25, 2013, 05:12:25 PM
Sorry for not making this a moderated thread. I tend to have a high bar for deleting posts on my other threads (typically they have to be really abusive), but he finally crossed the ignore threshold for me too.
378  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: ProtoShares Bounty - 30 BTC Start Mining BitShares in November! on: October 25, 2013, 04:08:14 PM
. . . At least you are going about this whole thing more honestly than Dacoinminister with his demands of money up front in exchange for a 100% pre-mined non-functional alt-coin.

Yeah, can you believe how many people fell for my scam? They're all weeping now, cursing themselves for ever trusting a scammer like me, just like you predicted.

Best of luck to you bytemaster. I'll be watching. Isn't this stuff fun? Scary too. The world is going to look very different in a few years.
379  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Marketplace (Altcoins) / Re: 300 BTC Coding Contest: Distributed Exchange (MasterCoin Developer Thread) on: October 25, 2013, 03:23:43 PM
Most of those no-change sends were me doing the giveaway thread. I was feeling a little paranoid and wasn't quite sure that I knew all the edge cases for change addresses, so I just used exact-change transactions to be safe. Smiley
380  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Marketplace (Altcoins) / Re: MasterCoin Buyer/Seller Thread on: October 25, 2013, 03:08:54 PM
I'm genuinely amused at whoever posted that sell order on my behalf. That was pretty funny Smiley

(Yeah, it wasn't me. Just a prank by someone.)

I've pulled WAY too many pranks in my life to complain.

I recently got a PM from somebody asking how to get an order on the book when they can't PM in the forum. Can one of you guys post something in the order book about how to contact you for people who aren't on the forum? Maybe a slightly obfuscated email address (so that spam bots don't collect it)?
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