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1621  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ Football Transfers Speculation, Odds and Predictions on: November 13, 2023, 03:52:41 PM
If Mbappe's move to Real Madrid fails, what makes you think Haaland will be Real Madrid's next target? Simply by looking, it is clear that Haaland will not be leaving Manchester City anytime soon. This is only his second season with the club, and he has been performing fantastically well, much to the delight of his teammates, coach, fans, and team management.

There hasn't even been a rumour about Haaland leaving this club, and I doubt it will happen even if Real Madrid expresses interest in him today. With his present form and the team he is playing for, he is capable of winning any trophy in Europe, as they are among the top teams in Europe after winning the treble last season. If Haaland will leave Manchester City, it will be later in his career, when he has spent more years with the club.
Well right now Mbappé is the mostly likely star player to move over to Realmadrid by next summer, based on the secret deal he had with them during this season's summer window, though Ancelotti has denied all claims linking the player to their team but there's a tendency that he would end up there next summer, however in a case where the deal collapse, Mbappé is not the only good finisher in Europe, Realmadrid could switch to Victor Osimhen or any other available option.

  As for the Haaland to Realmadrid news I don't believe in that cause it's a mere rumour spread by some journalists to get attention to themselves, the possibility of Haaland moving to Madrid is very slim and I don't think City is ready to lose their star player to their UCL rivals, moreover it's going to cost Realmadrid a lot of money, even double of what they paid for Jude Bellingham to get Haaland from Manchester City.
In fact, Real Madrid could get Haaland and Haaland could easily accept an offer from Real Madrid, but the question is that Kylian Mbappe also wants to come to Madrid, whereas Mbappe once rejected this offer so this is still a mystery as to who the player Madrid will bring in and it seems like Real Madrid is very careful in choosing striker players because I admit that Madrid is a big club with a very good historical record so they prefer to wait until there really are players who are ready to be contacted by Real Madrid but it seems that for now Haaland and Mbappe are the one's candidate players to be contracted by Real Madrid,
Ancelotti can now definitely confirm which players will be recruited next summer, but Ancelotti chooses to act normally and not reveal things like this for fear of drama like last time.
In the end one of them on the team is what matters most for Real Madrid this time is to have a good replacement for their player who has left the frontline of the team open for some time now,  both Mbappe and Haand will make a good replacement for that vacant position.

If Real Madrid is not able to make that signing,  it will lead them to more poor results more than what we have already seen from them since the 2021-2022 season ended when Benzema left the clubs after the season leaving the position open since that time
1622  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Have you ever been a gambling addict? on: November 13, 2023, 03:35:58 PM
I see a lot of people here talking about gambling responsibly. Yes, that is something very true, but have you ever been a gambling addict?

To be honest in the past I have spent a lot of money gambling. What I mean here is that I spent all my savings on gambling. Maybe the nominal amount is not that big but it makes me feel like a gambling addict. I spent 5 months of my savings on gambling. Currently I am aware and am in the stage of improving my own financial condition. Have you ever felt like a gambling addict? and how much did you lose in gambling?
Gambling addiction is not something to wish for at some point this is because the result is sometimes unbearable and unsatisfying results to some level,  and more also gambling addiction is better avoided and not to be any attempt to ever get addicted because quitting also is almost an impossible thing.

But then also,  we have to check the level of our gambling involvement because that week alone,  I have gambled more than I can afford to lose and it caused me a lot of pain since this week is not my lucky week,  but that can not make me call myself a gambling addicts
1623  Economy / Gambling / Re: QuitGamble.com - Free Help for Problem Gamblers on: November 13, 2023, 03:24:08 PM

Well, yeah, and just to mention that this is not the only group that have come to together to want to help addicted gambler quit gambling, in fact, i think OP did make mention of this fact in the op, if we go over to Reddit, we will find thousands of this groups, many of them having hundreds of thousands of members, but yet, it's still like gambling addiction is increasing in our society on daily basis, which but proves one thing that, in the end of it all, if a gambling addict does not stand up and help him or herself quit, no group or body can or may be able to help such a person.

And coming back to this group though, the op said that everything on this quitgamble.com will be completely free, i am curious to know how or where they will be getting funding from? like we all know that even a charity organization needs funding.

Sorry if this question have been asked and answered before, i completely missed it, anyone can just point me back to the answer, please?
Yes, the ops did mention that the quit gambling service is free and that is something that we must applaud him for that if he has a working approach and tools to help stop gambling addictions,  just like a free online rehabs that help victims to recover from their addictions.

I have seen a similar group with members who are categorized according to the level of addiction /recovery point and level,  this is what has been on for some time and we have also seen and accessed its impact on the addictions be it those who are still on their rehab process or those who have successfully completed the rehabilitation process.
1624  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Why do you want to play on casinos without KYC requirements? on: November 13, 2023, 02:53:23 PM


Why would you want to avoid being identified, if you gamble legally and if you are not a criminal? Let's discuss the reasons why KYC are not advantageous for the gamblers and casinos.

Ps. I am playing Devil's Advocate... if you did not notice it.  Grin

I'm not against KYC I just don't want them asking for KYC huge winning and accusing the users of cheating when he's not cheating, there's been a lot of cases like that one casino that is very notorious for asking KYC for huge winning then accuse the players of cheating is 1xbit, they steal your information then they steal your, KYC is good to protect the platform from scammers and cheaters and launderers but not using it as a way to scam people, we have to stop playing on casinos that uses the KYC to abuse their users.
The only time a legitimate casino will ask you for KYC is when you want to withdraw any amount above $5000, so I think that amount is already a huge amount and you will be asked for KYC just like it is stated in the terms and conditions of the site,  and it should not be a new thing for the player when he is asked for KYC at some point in the cause of playing.

And another reason could be due to suspicious activities from that account at some point in time,  and if as a gambler,  you supply the right information,  the KYC should go through,  anything outside that will be a be it uneasy delay should be a direct attack on the gamblers right,  because I don't see any reason why a reputable casino will not approve the KYC of it client if supply the right information and documentsts.
1625  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What's your view on abortion? on: November 13, 2023, 02:43:31 PM
As much as I want to take sides on this one, I'm looking at the midst of it. While there's so much poverty feeding and growing up a child can be tough. A couple, if they don't have a means of doing that then at least practice safe sex. If they can't take the responsibility of giving a good life for the child/ren that they're going to have then at least put that protection on and enjoy. But in some cases, it's true that it's life, a form, that soon will walk on Earth just as we do. Given the fact that the baby is already there, we'd say give the kid a chance to live and let things work on their own while you work hard to provide for them. So, it's case to case basis and hard to pinpoint or direct someone when I'm not even a woman and I don't even know how they feel when they're about to make the choice of their lifetime, either to pity themselves, what they are carrying and or a regret forever.
Exactly,  to me I don't see the reason why a couple will not be able to practice safe sex in their marriage and have to have for abortion at some point this is pour negligence of responsibility,  and the only time abortion should be allowed is when the futus is unhealthy and can't survive,  only then should legal abortion be allowed,  because as a family both partners need to agree that they want to have children before they start coming and when the pregnancy will arrive it should be at the expectations of both parties.

Anything outside that is a total violation of the child's right to live,  and any unmarried person who becomes pregnant must be forced to take responsibility, for the child,  so abortion should become a highly jailable offence
1626  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: do anyone have done this? with gambling platforms on: November 13, 2023, 02:33:03 PM

It's a heavy irony: KYC policies, casinos and sites like Binance say they're safe, but theres still a doubt, isnt there? Its hard to find the right balance between user safety and going too far.

KYC is meant to stop theft, but its not a magic bullet. Even in the most "real" places, scams get through. The real worry is about the part where it says casinos might misuse data or Binance freezing funds "for investigation." In the digital world, our info is both safe and vulnerable at the same time. What's the problem here? We're torn between wanting to be safe and being afraid that our information will be misused. Do not trust anyone or anything just because they have a name, even if they are qualified. Always be aware and question everything.
Not as if KYC will end the era of bad actors,  if it can,  it should have ended corruption such as terrorism financing through the traditional banks that have not been tracking all the while,  talk more of an online platform which deals with most decentralized assets.

What I think of KYC is that KYC is just a means to get users' information documents for verifications,  the highest it can deal with is the limits in underage gambling and other offences,  KYC pauses more risk to the gambler most especially in the incidents of identity theft.
1627  Economy / Gambling / Re: ⚽️ SPORTBETTING ADVICE ⚽️ on: November 13, 2023, 01:32:24 PM
Every day I keep learning new lessons and this have made me realize that in sport bet there is no better chance than making the first lucky attempt because if you allow greed to have it influence in your decisions,  this may have a severe negative effect on you as a person and more so,  you may still want to make up for several things,  which may,  but then we have to depend on luck because not sport result it predictable.

So best take the one at hand and walk away if that bet becomes your sure bet you never can tell,  so to lesson your risk,  you have to take the chances you gat.
Last update 12th OCT 2023
Updated number 2 & 3.


This is my best tips and if you wanna start gamble on sport betting. I am no a professional gambler, but I am good enough to not lose money on sport betting and that's good enough for me.  Smiley



1628  Economy / Gambling / Re: what are the best crypto casinos! on: November 13, 2023, 01:17:24 PM
But if I discover that luck is not always on my side in some casinos,  I will choose to walk away and remain with eh casino that I am already used to
Many gamblers do the same thing although they know that switching to another casino will not change their luck.
You are either lucky or not. The casino you play at or the game you play has nothing to do with your luck. Of course I'm talking about reputable casino which do not manipulate games results.
Regarding registering on casinos because of the bonuses they offer, my advice is to always read the bonuses terms first before making a deposit to claim them.
Yes gambling depends on luck so no casino can guarantee anyone winning. So everyone should use a reputable casino site because if he uses a new site there is a possibility that the site is a scam and that site will not give him a different facility to win.  So one should always use a trusted site as at least the deposit fund will be safe until he gambles and loses. On the other hand, if someone wins big money in gambling due to either their skill or luck, they can withdraw quickly without any problem from there
I agree with you when someone avoids a trusted casino site for a high quality bonus or other offer and uses an unknown casino site that is not well known and has no good reputation in the gambling industry then he is at great risk because there his nothing that can happen.  But if he uses a trusted casino site that has a great reputation in the gambling industry then he can be sure that at least that site will not cheat him.  In this case, although gambling is very risky, its risk will be slightly reduced compared to other sites
Yes because that is the most common mistake that many gamblers have made that has resulted in them losing their money at some point and for sure bonus is one way that shoddy casinos have used to attract and trap potential victims,  just like the Ponzi scheme that promises unrealistic promise,  this is very common and used mostly on newbies.

So for sure,  I never run after bonuses and most time I don't use bonuses for anything especially those bonuses that comes with condition,  like wagering conditions.
1629  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Champions League 2023/24 Season on: November 13, 2023, 10:32:56 AM
At the moment,  is becoming clear that Manchester City will still take the trophy in that season and the reason being that,  the club have been on a run up in all measure matches since the last 9games and that to a large extent is going to tell have the club performance is going to be in the next few matches to come,  this is what we have to look out for in whatever discussion we have and at whatever time.

Even though there have been a few pockets of decline in performance in the last few days,  it still seems that Manchester still maintains the most formidable team and also can deliver at each of their matches.

Manchester City may be your favorite club but they are not exactly invisible this season like they were before. This is the champions league we are talking about, it’s not a farmers league. I think it is still early to call Manchester City favorites to win the trophy because there are other top teams like Real Madrid and Bayern Munich who also record one hundred percent success rate in the champions league.
This will not be business as usual for Manchester City in this season,  although Manchester City has done extremely well in the last few seasons and that is something that we have to commend them for,  because os not easy for a club to sustain and maintained an steady winning across all leagues for multiple seasons just like Manchester city did in the last two seasons.

But this time,  things have changed,  and Manchester City may be going in for a long period of head-tight confrontation with some of the other stronger teams who may have suffered set back in the last few seasons to warrant Manchester City's success in those past seasons,  but at this point, those clubs have recovered and there are really good and ready to take Manchester city head on and possibly dropping them out of the award in this season in all things being equal for those clubs.

Manchester City won the Champions League title in the last season and obviously, that's a good reason to say they are the favorite team for the tournament even during this the season but the fact about Manchester City and Pep Guardiola is they lost some power. Manchester City sold some players and they couldn't spend money and buy better players like other teams did during the summer and that's why I think other teams like Bayern Munich will have more chance of this.

Manchester City is no doubt the champion and at the same time the title holder so for that,  their still have the better chances of finishing the season in a strong fit,  more also we have to take into account their  inabality to make a right replacement for the those players that left the club during the last transfer market.

Manchester City should have made adequate plans to have a suitable replacement before letting their talented players off the huck from the club at least they should have learned from other clubs' experiences who have taken similar steps and failed in the past.
1630  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Why do you want to play on casinos without KYC requirements? on: November 13, 2023, 08:48:12 AM
1. In one word it's all about privacy.  None want to share their personal detail online.
2. People who come to play from a country where gambling is highly prohibited. So they of course don't want to show their personal details to someone that can create a serious problem for him.
3. The benefits you added to your list, people want to bypass all of them without doing KYC Smiley
I agree with you on the need for privacy in the gambling industry or any online platform that allow us to use cryptocurrencies which,  whose main aim is to give it user privacy and freedom in their online activities,  this is what makes up for whatever becomes of the frame up of the mind to either hand out their personal details and documents on some of the online site that there has less trust on.

But then also we have to look at KYC and what are its possibilities to our contemporary online life ranging from centralized exchanges and other financial services providers that cryptocurrencies users may not be able to do without,  but need to comply with regulations,  this makes KYC in some cases an unavoidable evil that we need to face.
1631  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Most you have ever lost in one session? on: November 13, 2023, 08:36:04 AM
mine was $200,000 on Stake.com 2 weeks ago
Was this a flex?  Cheesy


Yes this is a big flex mate and I don't believe that that member truly lost such an exorbitant amount on stake just 2 weeks ago,  this should probably be a make-up story and figure because that figure is too high,  $200,000 in a go as a lost is such a huge amount for anyone but I know is not impossible but in this case I can see a clear impossibility in the event unless if the member decide to share some more evidence to support this claims.
To be honest, I also don't really believe it if there is no really accurate evidence that OP says $200,000 is a really big amount of money in my local money, spending $200,000 on gambling if you are not a really rich person it will definitely make you was frustrated that
I even losing around $300 made me regret it for the rest of my life and I will never repeat such excessive gambling activities again. Maybe this amount doesn't mean much to someone who can afford it, but for me it is something that is very suffocating.
as you said, there is a lot of impossibility when someone spends so much money in just 1 session, is he really risking such a large amount so that it just runs out, even people who are addicted to gambling don't seem to spend their money in 1 session (IMO).
Well, I will not blame the guy that much, the reason being that the thread title alone gave room for that to happen since there is nowhere in the ops that he mentioned that comment should be supported with some level of evidence,  so due to that loophole a lot of members may give an exaggerated amount as their total loses for the time in speculation,  so that guy may have been motivated to have given such figure as his total loses but in reality that amount did not exist.

Although the main aim of the thread is already achieved which is to make us make some statement on how much have been the highest lose this season,  this will help us to compare our risks to that of other and at the same time five us lessons in how to minimize the loses.
1632  Local / Off-topic (Naija) / Re: [Weekly Akawo] Naija Friends on: November 13, 2023, 01:12:15 AM
Thank you all guys, I have received the payment from members, just one payment pending due to the current memopool congestion.

But we are 100% going well and we are in the last week of this round,  thanks guys once again let's keep it up.

Updated 100% of payments received from all members!
1633  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Champions League 2023/24 Season on: November 12, 2023, 11:55:59 PM
At the moment,  is becoming clear that Manchester City will still take the trophy in that season and the reason being that,  the club have been on a run up in all measure matches since the last 9games and that to a large extent is going to tell have the club performance is going to be in the next few matches to come,  this is what we have to look out for in whatever discussion we have and at whatever time.

Even though there have been a few pockets of decline in performance in the last few days,  it still seems that Manchester still maintains the most formidable team and also can deliver at each of their matches.

Manchester City may be your favorite club but they are not exactly invisible this season like they were before. This is the champions league we are talking about, it’s not a farmers league. I think it is still early to call Manchester City favorites to win the trophy because there are other top teams like Real Madrid and Bayern Munich who also record one hundred percent success rate in the champions league.
This will not be business as usual for Manchester City in this season,  although Manchester City has done extremely well in the last few seasons and that is something that we have to commend them for,  because os not easy for a club to sustain and maintained an steady winning across all leagues for multiple seasons just like Manchester city did in the last two seasons.

But this time,  things have changed,  and Manchester City may be going in for a long period of head-tight confrontation with some of the other stronger teams who may have suffered set back in the last few seasons to warrant Manchester City's success in those past seasons,  but at this point, those clubs have recovered and there are really good and ready to take Manchester city head on and possibly dropping them out of the award in this season in all things being equal for those clubs.
1634  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Never say your recovery seed or private key out loud! on: November 12, 2023, 11:46:59 PM
Lastly, whenever you work on your recovery seed, put your mobile phones in another room, put a tape over your webcams as an added security measures and never do anything with your Bitcoin in a public space like McDonald's or Chicken Republic that is full of listening devices. Don't be carried away.

Maybe at last, bitcoin is going to be the teacher of many who don't know how to handle things privately learn from their lessons, it's not funny that some people were just being do careless in handling things, even to the extent of thise things that are sensitive for them to hide, instead they go about exposing them in the public, things like this will teach so many people a lesson and henceforth they wouldn't go about mishandling relevant things of such which should be guided by all means from any third party influence for privacy and security measures.
Yes bitcoin have thought me alot about privacy and how to handle it in the most secured manner and no doubt about the fact that it will have though so many of her the same thing since privacy and security is one of the key features of Bitcoin,  since bitcoin gives us the chance to hold our assets in the most secrecy manner and without third-party interference,  reason why many of the bitcoin holders will not even want to expose their private keys to any third party.

And this makes to to work out modalities to protect their keys from intruder,  and most especially when there have funds in those wallet,  they won't risk such vital aspect of the wallet security which exposes their funds.
1635  Economy / Gambling / Re: what are the best crypto casinos! on: November 12, 2023, 11:37:15 PM
But if I discover that luck is not always on my side in some casinos,  I will choose to walk away and remain with eh casino that I am already used to
Many gamblers do the same thing although they know that switching to another casino will not change their luck.
You are either lucky or not. The casino you play at or the game you play has nothing to do with your luck. Of course I'm talking about reputable casino which do not manipulate games results.
Regarding registering on casinos because of the bonuses they offer, my advice is to always read the bonuses terms first before making a deposit to claim them.
What may be the best for me,  maybe the worst for the other person,  and what makes up for the individual differences and experiences on the said casino and what condition makes you to remain on the casino?

But on a general note,  if I may answer a straightforward way,  then I will say Stake still remains the best cryptocurrency casino to me,  and the reason is that,  since I started using Stake I have never run into any problems in the casino before and also like some casino that limits their customer whenever they're making big wins,  I have not seen stake doing that to their customer before and that is something that I place so much value on at some point and that why stake have remained my favourite all the time.
1636  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Time to invest AI coins? on: November 12, 2023, 11:28:54 PM
Ico, ieo, defi, meme, nft and so many altcoin trend came,  created hype and then end. I notice, when a new trend start, then trend Related new altcoins are getting lots of investor and become profitable! And seeing such success ratio, scammers also launch their token and destroy the trend and hype with scam. Now Ai coins are in trend. FET, AGIX and OCEAN are suppose to be good for investment. What do you Think? Time to invest in AI coins or you avoid it?
For now,  meme coins seem to be the hype of the moment and for that,  I would rather invest in meme coins instead of risking on AI coins,  in fact I have never paid any close attention to AI or whatever development that is associated with it as long as altcoin development is concerns,  because I like most of the teams won't want to do a good job in their token development since their will be after the hype and without any clear plans for the future and how the intend to sustain the continues existence in the market.

So if ever I want to gamble around with my money and I have to choose between the two,  I will rather go for meme coins and not AI-based projects.
1637  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: sites with bonuses without deposit on: November 12, 2023, 11:17:28 PM
Yes because without a deposit how can you activate the bonus and what level it goes to help the gamblers achieve some free wagering,  but then also we have to be sure of what will be sustainable so no casino can offer what they don't have,  reason being that casinos also out for business and revenue generation is one of the main focus and in other to remain at that,  the casino must attain an inflow of cash instead an outflow that can uncontrolled outflow that may not be sustainable.

So for such no casino will offer such a welcome bonus that doesn't require you as the gambler to make a deposit.
There are numerous casino in the system, everyone of them have their market pattern they will utilized towards customers, and this can happen only when the opposition have failed to upgrade his team. We do what we do because we think it's appropriate but unknowingly to us, we're only making either a mistake or good decision when gambling. Deposit are made compulsory for the purpose to enable bonuses in the system. Most betting sites, that's the exact techniques they used to entrapped and persuades customers to make significant deposits, that's basically how to have customers in the system.
Me I won't trust any casino bonuse systems that doesn't require me to make my own level of input in terms of deposits to claim the bonuses,  this is because I am already aware of the fact that if you have to get a legitimate casino will th fair bonuses then you should be ready to make some form of deposits and also be ready to meet they wagering requirements reasons being that,  bonuses are not free money is the gambler receive it a advance credits,  and to pay back,  you have to work to do that,,  it's systematic approach that the casino employ to keep their clients hucked to them at all point.

So for sure,  I will not dear to gamble on a casino that does not have demand to enter their bonuse race because noting goes for nothing casino have to make money to pay their bills.
1638  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Do you use bitcoin when gambling? on: November 12, 2023, 11:09:24 PM
Yes because for me,  I get my weekly payment in Bitcoin and for that,  I have no other choice but to gamble using Bitcoin,  I don't have any problem with that and in fact, this has helped me a lot and at some point,  even if I want to deposit into my casino account,  I don't use another currency unless bitcoin and for sure this have helped me a lot,  because with Bitcoin,  my total winning will automatically become an asset,  and because if Bitcoin value,  is easy for me to earn more in rewards since it bet will come in says and with a dollar value.

So my staked will also float with the market and that gives me two added advantages and sometimes even much more than the winning itself most especially when I take a long break after a good game and a winning at the same time.

So to me and many others,  bitcoin remains the most suitable currency for gambling and its advantages outweigh its disadvantages.
1639  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Most you have ever lost in one session? on: November 12, 2023, 11:00:32 PM
mine was $200,000 on Stake.com 2 weeks ago
Was this a flex?  Cheesy


Yes this is a big flex mate and I don't believe that that member truly lost such an exorbitant amount on stake just 2 weeks ago,  this should probably be a make-up story and figure because that figure is too high,  $200,000 in a go as a lost is such a huge amount for anyone but I know is not impossible but in this case I can see a clear impossibility in the event unless if the member decide to share some more evidence to support this claims.
1640  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2023/2024 on: November 12, 2023, 10:42:22 PM
Let hope that Chelsea will consistent in the recent improvement and thos season have been filled with unexpected performance for some of the clubs that have suffered in the last couple of seasons back,  e.g Chelsea and Liverpool both did an incredible job in this weekend where the clubs made multiple goals in their match today's.

This once again confirms the unpredictability nature of football,  so for sure we should expect some form of exciting time ahead in this season for both clubs
I was really surprised with the way Chelsea played today. People didn’t believe that Chelsea would be able to draw Manchester City. Let's be honest, before the match started, I also believed that Manchester City would be the winner of the match, even if they wouldn't be able to score many goals. I know the match will be tough, but I was surprised to see Chelsea score four goals in the match. They didn’t allow Manchester City to go away with three points, they rather shared the points, and each team went away with one point each. I was really impressed by the way Chelsea played today, let’s just hope they are getting back to form already.
Not only you but many others including Chelsea's fans never believed that their club would record such success in the game tonight,  but they did and that is a be add up to the club and not only them but also Liverpool was able to win against Brentford also with a 3 goals which is another remarkable record for a club that is in the same category with Chelsea.

But what makes Chelsea's own case unique and more celebrated is the fact that Chelsea has suffered a lot of setbacks in the past and that affected the club's performance in the premier leagues in the last seasons,  much more than what Liverpool ever experienced,  but in this season Chelsea have begun to show some positive level of advancement and that is as a result of many home works from both the players and they coach in determination to changing the faith of the club in this season and beyond.
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