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2601  Economy / Economics / Re: What is the best way to make money with bitcoin in 2017? on: October 10, 2017, 09:05:10 AM
Well, i think joining signature and social campaigns is the best way to gain money with bitcoin. With that it is easy to access and is easy to do. You just need to think of good responses to posts.

Yeah, joining for some signature campaign is really good thing to do but you really need to have higher rank to get better payout. For some low member it is still not worth to do as I can say because the payout is too low. But you can build some trust too when you are being low, you can start it from scratch and trying to earn green trust from DT member. There are tons of job out there that will gain you some coin. With some trust, it is easier to manage things well on here
2602  Economy / Economics / Re: Which one is good, trading or investing? on: October 10, 2017, 05:21:38 AM
For me trading is way more better than investing cause its possible to earn more money if you traded . Consider this, let's say bitcoins price was $10 and let's also say that the price keeps fluctuating and the price hit $12 then went back  to $10 then up again to $12 . Now if you traded you would have bought at $10 and sold at $12 twice so you get 4% profit you can get this much if you had just invested.

First, you can't predict the future outcome so you can't never know the price are going to be fluctuated for how long. Second, if you want to know this better you should have more knowledge gathering to make sure you do not follow the panic seller. Third, if you want to do trading you really need more time because if you take only play for low time you wont get good profit though or may be you can be negative. Trading is good when you have time to earn it but if you do not have enough time you should consider it for investment
2603  Economy / Economics / Re: Do you think billionaires invest in BTC? on: October 10, 2017, 12:12:14 AM
Well yes ofcourse, billionaire invest a lot from bitcoin.. Through their own profit. Billionaires always find the way for making a lot of money so that they are become rich. Some on the listed billionaires are counting day by days, not just one but there's more billionaire and hopefully one of a time iam the one counted for them. For the sake of the economy of us.
I don’t think that billionaire needs to invest in bit coin because the billionaires have its own factories from which they are earning very huge profit. So why they will just store there working capital in bitcoin. Because instead of earning from bitcoin if they invest in some new project like establishing new factory they can maximize their profit in multiplier method. Yes if the bitcoin become as commercial currency like us dollar etc. Then they can convert their businesses to trade in bit coin along with other local currency

I can't agree on this because this is unbelievable for me too. This is what my friend telling me, last year his boss buy around 70 bitcoin and this year he is selling all of his coin. May be you dont believe me, but my friend's boss is owner of one big company which paid my friend with quite good salary and give so many bonuses for them. If I not mistaken, last time I calculate his boss profit and he can even buy 1 condominium with his profit
2604  Economy / Economics / Re: Where can i invest my money? on: October 09, 2017, 03:58:43 PM
2Mil its too big amount of money. If I have 2M the half will investment in mining bitcoins and the half of the amount will buy bitcoin and hold I after in many years and sell if the price is double or triple your money.
Mining is also good but it's not easy. Probably the best way to invest that money is by buy bitcoin directly and divide it in some hardware wallet with full sync, because this is the most secure wallet. Wait until a few months or years,  then he will get big profit from it. Creating bitcoin-related business is also good but it's not only need capital but also need knowledge and great team.

Nowadays mining is not that profitable as before, because the electricity cost is higher than your income in a month, unless you can get free eletricity may be this is still worth to do. Last time you can mine it because there is not so much blocked to solve so it is still fast enough but now I think itis better to invest on gambling investment or buying some coin if you have spare money. Or may be you can invest on ICO too
2605  Economy / Economics / Re: Does the Price of Bitcoin Matter? on: October 09, 2017, 12:36:06 PM
Of course it does specially for us who use it and depends on it,
The price of bitcoin is really important for us who are depending to much in bitcoin,
The one's who quit's their job and stayed at home and only earning through bitcoin.

I really depends on bitcoin but of course this is not become my main incomr although it pays much bigger from my current job but at least this is really helping my situation right now. So I think its pricr is really matter here for anyone who ate in bitcoin world. But to think that all of them quite their job and focus on this will really bad since the price is really fluctuative every time
2606  Economy / Gambling / Re: SafeDICE.com ★ Bitcoin Dice ★ Monero ★ 0.5% Edge ★ Fast Cashout ★ Since 2014 on: October 09, 2017, 09:00:14 AM
Everyone I caught 0.55 btc in safedice for nearly a month now but safedice did not reply to my mail even though I sent a lot of mail from different mail but they are still silent. Is it scam that does not expect people to help me?


They got so many things to handle here, so I suggest you to be patient because everyone got their part later. I know when he is gonna fix this but last time  I never have any problem with their deposit and withdraw before

But if it is withdraw problem, may be they take some extra precaution for their hot wallet but for delaying on deposit, I do not think it is really blockchain problem here. They should really fix that thing
2607  Economy / Gambling / Re: BTC4BET.com – Luckybet game - New bitcoin bet game! – Random number >> Get free on: October 09, 2017, 05:19:45 AM
Is this bet is for real? I saw someone already win $33k just from betting $45. How does the bet really work here? Is it just as same as lottery which pick that we choose or there is a way to get this profit? It is really huge bankroll you got there just for this kind of game. Anyone got review for this site?
2608  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Best strategy on Freebitco.in and Bitsler on: October 09, 2017, 12:12:09 AM
Take your whole balance and bet all on payout 2X
Results: win - balance is doubled. Lose - balance is lost. 

Take half balance and make two bets on 2X.
Results: 2 wins - double balance. 1 win/1 lose - You will be exactly where you started and you can repeat bets. 2 loses - balance lost.

Divide your balance in thousands small bets and gamble for 6 hours - if you win all of them you will double your balance which is impossible because dice is game with negative expected value and after 6 hours of doing small bets you can't rely on luck anymore and you will lose more times than you will win.

What do you think?

You forgot another point is house edge so you can't make exactly double if you bet 100%. You will get little less than what you bet.

  • If you bet for 6 hours then each time you need to pay the house edge and you will lose more money even if you get the exact same amount of wins and loses but you will lose money because of house edge. In this game, no strategy will work in the long run for sure.
I said payout 2X, if you play on payout 2X and win you will win 2X, not little less.
  • If you play on payout 2X and get the same amount of wins and loses, how will you lose money? You will have the same amount as you had when you begin to bet.
House edge means you won't have the same amount of wins and loses, it means you will have more loses than wins over time.
I don't know which part of payout 2X you don't understand  Huh

This is too risk as I can say because you will lose it or win it, just as simplr as flip your coin. So where is the strategy that said you can really win by doubling your balance? I do not really think that this strategy really work, sometimes you will face long red too before you can get some profit and sometime too you can win it on the first bet, this is pretty common thing
2609  Economy / Gambling / Re: 🔶 YOLOdice.com 🔶 FAST play/invest, up to 30% RAKEBACK, JACKPOT, tipbot, faucet on: October 08, 2017, 11:15:39 PM
Bitcoin Gold? Distributed to investors or should we pull out before the airdrop?

What is this bitcoin gold about? Another fork? I saw you post this exactly the same on other threads too. Is this what you really needed to promote your site? If you want to promote it well, just make sure you do it well or you will end up being banned or red trust
2610  Economy / Gambling / Re: BitSoldier.win - OPEN BETA - new game on: October 08, 2017, 04:37:31 PM
I waited for OP update but it seems that he does not even care about what we said here. Is this only some tested project for others to play so winning or losing does not matter to him. At least OP should give his best to make their site better although it is just platform for people to fight here. Why all PvP games end up like this?
2611  Economy / Gambling / Re: BTCKINGS - bitcoin only poker site on: October 08, 2017, 03:14:08 PM
What is the bonus point? And where can I get it? To exchange it 1:1 as coin, this is pretty good amount though hard I can say. Is this the same as I talked before? Need to wagered like huge amount just to get pretty small bonus? If this is for real, I can give some suggest if you can lowered your wagered just to get pretty high bonus point so people will really attracted to this
2612  Economy / Gambling / Re: ★ JackpotRacer Casino ★ House of Games ★coming back soon!!!!!!!!! on: October 08, 2017, 01:55:17 PM
Cant wait to say "welcome back" Smiley
I heard you will have pvp game, could you give us a bit clue about it? Will it be something unique that I cant find it on other bitcoin casinos?
By the way, does it mean that you are going to have your own bankroll when you come back? Honestly, I really miss the dust lottery game. Hope you will have it again, or at least offers us a game where we can bet small amount but we can win huge.  Grin Grin

hey panjul

thx for the kind words

I cant tell to much but what I can say ( only if dev will deliver) we start with one PVP and then will add the Lottery with our Bank Roll but with low bets but with high Jackpot as the BTC price is high

we then will add 2 new game variants which are very attractive and not seen yet.

anyway we need a start and get the fun back  Smiley


Although the current price is really high,may be you can stary with small jackpot. If I not mistaken last time 10 satoshi could win around 0.8 btc then you should consider it as low as possible so players and banker will still have their attraction right here. May be around 0.2 or 0.1 btc will do. But I want to see your racer back, not playing that kind of game for too long
2613  Economy / Gambling / Re: ✅ DuckDice.io 🎲 MAX 2K Faucet 🎲 120%Deposit Bonus 🎲 1%Edge 🎲 Fair 🎲 Chat 🎲 on: October 08, 2017, 01:12:34 PM
After soo many scam accusations on duckdice, I still se people depositing money on their website. Well I don't know much about the scam but the people who have given him negative trust are the most trusted people in this forum. So I would probably stay away from duckdice

The reason why people still deposit their BTC is because Bitcointalk isn't the only bitcoin forum. There is Bitcoin.com forum, Bitcoin Reddit and there is the organic google traffic.

People also don't always speak english so they don't understand when a site is having issues. To play dice you don't need perfect english, since its mostly numbers.

The people who gave negative trust didn't really put their attention into the case.
And since people are still using DuckDice it means that there is nothing shady, dice is a simple game, you deposit, you win, you withdraw. DuckDice issue was with Bonuses (and we have refunded users deposit at full amount) not the core features of dice itself.

What you should do instead is contact the people who gave you bad feedback and try to get the issues resolved.

Because you are losing alot of business due to those negative red trusts from those users.



That just won't work. Even I got red trust about my opinion about that and I had nothing to do with it. The default trust users just don't give a fuck about others. They just get a hard boner giving red trust.

Yes I got the site confused with another site.

But I remember the scam accusation against Duckdice back in the Summer when they didn't want to refund that guy who won the 9BTC on the bonus. The way the entire situation was handled with the bonus and the BTC refund was very unprofessional.

I am not blaming the site because I in the past also got screwed over with the "bonus deposits" that many sites offer. It was my fault because like many, I never read the terms properly or understood them.

Hell even on non-bitcoin gambling sites I was screwed. I remember I made a deposit to a Forex Binary Options site, it asked do I want a "free 100% deposit bonus" and later I realized that it was impossible to withdraw any funds, even deposit (non bonus) funds until the rollover passed, which was very difficult.

Again are you going to count back again for their passed? I believe what they doing is the right thing because they give back their fund back and of course not without the winning because he played using his bonus not played using his real money yet. And they really do it professionaly as I can say, only people that do not understand the situation here that can say thing like unprofessional
2614  Economy / Gambling / Re: Someone just converted 0.05 BTC to 0.75 BTC on chain-bet.com on: October 08, 2017, 12:01:13 PM
Dam it that's crazy guys!! Does it really happening out there and why I'm not hat lucky enough to make the money which is that big. How is it possible to wedger that kinda money just from the 0.05 btc to 0.75 btc. Can anyone really tell if there is insider stuff involved in this kind of gambling. I mean come on why there are not many cases like this and only few of them pops in saying that they have made couple of thousands. May be I'm too afraid to put big money on gambling sites that's why I don't earn much from it. You invest big you get back bigger like that it is!!

Its not really that crazy.

On most dice sites you can usually make more than 0.75btc as long as your win % is low and your odds are lower but your reward are higher. For example, bet 0.01BTC on 1% and if you win you get 0.99 btc.

However what are the chances that you will win 1BTC by risking $40 each and every roll.

Not for everybody.

If you want to compare it to dice game then you should consider slot games which their jackpot is much bigger and we can earn it by betting on small amount not as much as this one. And that must be crazy too. I believe there are quite some people which already get this huge amount just from betting on slot games. The point here is to convert 0.05 to 0.75 is not that easy, more over if that is 0.05 basebet, although it just 25x but winning is still winning
Slot machines have a very less probability of winning. All gambling games are not based on luck. Some need your sound mind. To make 0.75 from 0.05 is a pretty big deal and the person should be appreciated for doing that.
 

If it is not based on your luck to play so what do you expect to get some profit with? Because as far as I know there is only luck and skills that matter on gambling games, there is no other thing that can affect gambling result. Actually 15x odds is pretty easy to get but on this game, there is luck needed to make sure your guess is right and hit that 15x
2615  Economy / Gambling / Re: Investing in btc casinos on: October 08, 2017, 09:50:05 AM
Howdo i invest? Is through ico or there are platform specifically design for this.

Betking.io is the only one I know of that did an ICO (there is another that has put its ICO on hold but it looks a little bit scammy to me). All the others I know of, you sign up an account at the site and just make a deposit and invest after checking out the reputation and terms and conditions of course.


There is a lot of site that you can invest your money on, for example like betking, bitvest, safedice cryptogames. There is got profit on their site recently but for an ICO, nowadays I do not see any of them is really worthed except betking. But they already done for their ICO right now and there is no more to invest again
2616  Economy / Gambling / Re: Are there any whales left out there? on: October 07, 2017, 01:10:55 PM
Are there any players that wager more than 10-20 bitcoin a day? I want to chat. I wagered over 165 Bitcoin last week on CoinPro.fit alone.

Nice advertisement you've got there but I doubt it a whale will expose himself through a forum like this. What's the sense of gambling with bitcoin if he's going to let others know that he's a whale and been gambling with 10-20 bitcoins daily. Although there can be some people that can just troll around here and say that they do gamble with it by just using simple plain words without any proof.

Thing that you said here is true here but the point here OP is trying to persuade us to play on their site. This is some  kind of promotion that I can see with a little add up of whale playing on their site but why he keep on saying about this whale? First thing, they are losing their big whale because of usual dice site. Second thing is they need more players here, so if newbie eat their bait then the promotion succeed
2617  Economy / Gambling / Re: BitTreasure.io - Bitcoin & Ethereum Bet Game [ Official Thread ] on: October 07, 2017, 10:12:31 AM
Hey OP,

I like it. BitTreasure is more dynamic than mines and bitkong. I just have question about proof of solvency.
According to OP, users can bet "from 0.000001 ~ 1 BTC and from 0.000001 to 10 ETH." and can win "up to 400x on the easy game and 100000x Your bet on the Hard Game." Could you sign a message from a wallet with 1x100000BTC or 10x100000ETH??

I do not think that any admin of gambling site will reveal their bankroll to players since it is not really ethic, more over if you ask them to reveal their address, this will never happens because it is too much risk to reveal everything. But what they can do is to give exactly range like you said about how much we can win. So you just need to calculate their bankroll plus some house edge then you can estimated how much bankroll they have
2618  Economy / Gambling / Re: looks like bitkong site is secretly mining on users machine - (Browsermining) !! on: October 07, 2017, 08:40:11 AM
Just checked my browser mining capacity and what I can mine is just 2 cents worth of monero per day, lets multiply this by 1000 users at a time which will be like $20 per day considering site will have 1000 users+ online at any given time.

I don't think this is worth for bitkong because they are earning way higher than this little amount per day just from their games. I think site is using so high amount of CPU because they have really heavy graphics in their site.

Whats for they use other people to mine?mean while they can get easy money just from opening gambling site. This is does not add up, more over if their people online not even up to 100. I think they never do this, just higher usage of cpu does not mean they have mine from your computer or laptop. This is because of their merely high graphic here or may be some of their design really cost a lot of usage
2619  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Have you ever won a prize in Freebitco.in Lottery? If yes, how much? on: October 07, 2017, 06:24:29 AM

I get tickets from them all week, but the odds are pretty low. Maybe one day

To win a lottery you should be very lucky then only you can win money from any lotteries because a number of lotteries more than winners will be very few so it is not so easy to win a lottery. But if you win then it will be a big amount. I also try this site lottery every week mostly got from faucet money still waiting for my turn to win Wink

If you only count just from faucet, I do not think that it will possible for you to win some cash even the snallest prize. The chance here if you want to get the prize is really low. You should at least make some deposit to increase your tickets number or may be you can gambling it, who knows what you got better outcome compare to the price itself
2620  Economy / Gambling / Re: 1 BTC Raffle - www.stakeabit.com on: October 07, 2017, 12:04:19 AM
I saw that there is around 3550 grid there, but there only 1% being sold. And the price is much more cheaper too. And it said that if all being sold the total will be 1.065 btc and you give us the 1 btc payout. I do really matter with it since you opened the platform for us. But hoe about if there is not being sold all of the grid? How are you going to pay us? How are we going to know if you are not scam us? I assume that you are not holding any bankroll here which is you need people to buy your grid so you can pay us

Yes, the grid has changed size and there have been a few updates based on feedback. You are absolutely correct the 1BTC prize relies on the grid filling up. However I have just added "MileStakes" these will allow players to win prizes much earlier on in the game and wont require the grid to be full.

And now you changing it again to 0.0015 per grid which is 999 grid for max now. Why do you need to keep on changing? So how about if last time  I bought with a lower price? Does it be not fair for anyonr for buy it today? Like last time I bought 10 grid with 0.0035 but today the grid is changing to 0.0015 which mean I only got around 2 grid with the same coin
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