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301  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 11, 2019, 03:30:02 AM
Buffett buys massively at above 500K in a few years, lol.

I'd sell to Buffet.

One.

In person.

Rub it in his face.

If his interested in Some Bcash for a few bucks you let him pay for those or you just give them out of generousity ? With the 500K real BTC’s

No. Buffet gets to pay a premium for his ignorant trash-talk.
The old crock buys apple at all time high, he obviously has lost it when it comes to tech.
Trying to use the same line of reasoning to buy tech stocks that he used when buying Coca Cola? Because a strong brand can keep goods that cost more than $1 alive forever. Just like BlackBerry.
302  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 11, 2019, 02:55:24 AM
Fair enough. Can't find any pictures of rocks climbing girls though so I'll pass with severe disappointment in Google. I thought the future was now, but I guess I was mistaken.

I did not know rock climbing girls in shorts or bikinis was a thing, either, but pics of such seem to be all over the interwebs..

Even when they might be harder to find, these days, there are pics.


I wasn't talking about girls climbing rocks.
303  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 11, 2019, 02:45:40 AM
With all that talk about abstinence in here I do have to say it feels wonderful to open a good craft beer and observe these green dildos rising up!



don't forget your XhomerX original Roll Eyes

How did I ever survive without it??

EDIT: it doesn't seem to be working, it still shows my old one

it will pop up takes a bit of time Smiley

Can't wait to join the cult!
When will head hat priest xhomerx create our digital church that will find itself in the books of history?
304  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 11, 2019, 01:53:54 AM
Good afternoon everyone especially to my WO brothers/sisters. Thanks to those holder who are still hodling their coin even at this price,


What do you mean "even at this price"? Roll Eyes
305  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 10, 2019, 02:33:50 PM
Either, you are shit stirring me or you genuinely cannot see where the analogy leads you...

I leave you with this quote from Einstein,

"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result"

(and yes, I know there is. no evidence that Einstein wrote or spoke the statement above)
The analogy doesn't make sense, regardless of how many times your insane mind chooses to repeat it. Data can be visualized with highways but it's by no means bound by the same rules as human traffic. If you fail to see this I can't help you.




I have zero faith in cryopreservation.

I have zero faith in "uploading consciousness".


So, if you upload your consciousness...  is it really 'you' at that point? Or is it just an exact copy of you, and you are actually dead ?   I've actually been pondering this recently, and I can't get past the continuity of consciousness during the upload process, to believe the end result would still be me.

Deep thoughts...




Go play SOMA (or watch a playthrough). Very interesting story which makes you feel this dilemma first hand.

I agree with you that without continuity it isn't you.
What about anesthesia?


Added SOMA to my bucket list.

Anesthesia is like sleep, I don't consider going to sleep the same as dying. What differs it mainly from a mind upload is that your brain processing is continuous and it's not possible for several "instances" of "you" to exist simultaneously and grow apart.

I mean if I copy your brain and place it in a new host body do you expect to wake up in the other body? What if the original body (with your original brain) is revived as well? You would be 2 separate individuals with no direct brain connection.

I think the only way to preserve continuity is through the "ship of theseus" (see: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship_of_Theseus) by slowly swapping out parts. So I believe in rejuvenation and transhumanism.

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And really play or watch SOMA. It's awesome.
That's what you say, but how do you really know that the you that wakes up after being tranquilized is the same as the you that went to the doctor? I generally have a hard time finding a distinction between environment and body/mind. On a fundamental level they all seem the same.


For all practical intents and purposes however:

Slowly swapping out parts doesn't cut it for me, since I can't know if there isn't one "tiny spec of me" in the brain that once replaced kills me off without making any trace to external observers. The only way I'd be convinced would be if I could freely swap between digital and physical body, while also having the option to simultaneously perceive both.


What do you mean play or watch by the way? Is there a movie? Which would you recommend?
306  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 10, 2019, 02:06:29 PM
I have zero faith in cryopreservation.

I have zero faith in "uploading consciousness".


So, if you upload your consciousness...  is it really 'you' at that point? Or is it just an exact copy of you, and you are actually dead ?   I've actually been pondering this recently, and I can't get past the continuity of consciousness during the upload process, to believe the end result would still be me.

Deep thoughts...




Go play SOMA (or watch a playthrough). Very interesting story which makes you feel this dilemma first hand.

I agree with you that without continuity it isn't you.
What about anesthesia?


Added SOMA to my bucket list.
307  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 10, 2019, 02:04:09 PM
I used to dislike PDP back in the day when he was just yelling around playing random games. But he seems to actually be a chill dude and fellow whisky lover. Nice of him to offer $5m to content creators, didn't see that coming.


I have zero faith in cryopreservation.

I have zero faith in "uploading consciousness".


So, if you upload your consciousness...  is it really 'you' at that point? Or is it just an exact copy of you, and you are actually dead ?   I've actually been pondering this recently, and I can't get past the continuity of consciousness during the upload process, to believe the end result would still be me.

Deep thoughts...



Someone care to throw this guy a merit for me please? Don't see many newbies participating in non-moonlambo discussions around BTCT.
308  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 10, 2019, 01:56:55 PM
I'm holding out for uploading my consciousness within the next 40 years - should I last that long.

if that could be done, and aside from some interesting philosophical questions (is it "you" or just a very good copy), that might be interesting.. for a few thousand years i suppose.

as long as you (or the copy, whatever) can elect and is able to end its existence at some point. who wants an eternity of boredom?

also, we would need a very good weed simulator that can be uploaded as well.
There is no limit to novelty. So if you ever get bored you can always just hibernate or erase memory before coming back for more. Existence could then be like the ups and downs of the corn. I doubt that death is anything other than that, just in a more saddle way.

And the weed simulator at such a stage of development would make weed seem like catnip.


The "you" question can also be asked right now in nearly the same manner. Is the "you" from one second ago the same as the you experiencing reality in the present? From every moment to the next your body changes completely. As such, it is not inherently different from the rest of your environment. It might appear as if your environment is changing, especially if you move. But so does your body. So what exactly is "you"?

The prospect of uploading consciousness just makes this conundrum so apparent that one can no longer miss it.

Although I personally wouldn't pull the plug on "uploading consciousness" until there is a way for me to simultaneously and willingly experience both the real and virtual me as well as turning one or the other off at will.
309  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 10, 2019, 01:44:36 PM
Thanks a lot for the response. Suppose one was eyeing some 100sqm of space, would ~$2.5m be sufficient plus additional expenses for vanity furniture and inventory?

If you count the floors down inside the spar as living space as well as the deck on top then you get close to 100 sqm with just our $150k seastead. But we certainly do not plan on keeping them that small. We just want to keep the costs down. But we have big plans for business and mansion setups with underwater bedrooms that look out into the water.  With the restaurant we are doing a 10m diameter underwater room. That one room is close to 80 sqm.

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How hard would it be for someone to mess with you if you pull up the ladder? I had not considered that even entering could be prohibitive for someone already in your waters.
Unless they brought their own means of getting onto the seastead it will take them a long time to get up and likely risk destroying their boat in the process. Right now we have to moor our boat, lower the dinghy, take the dinghy to the ladder and climb up. We could literally watch any "pirates" for about 10 minutes as they prepare for their grand caper. For those that don't care to fight, just lock yourself inside the spar and wait for them to leave.

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Are you running any aquaponics for veggies, herbs and fish?
My gf keeps trying to grow sea grapes (seaweed) but the fish keep eating it. Or it dies before we get it into the water. Haven't gotten around to growing anything yet since we have plenty of food from the grocery store.


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I'm pretty lazy when it comes to leaving my quarters, so the general idea would be having enough "property" around to keep me entertained within my living space hence the perhaps odd questions.


Also, as many others already noted, the SeaBnB idea is fantastic, especially with the underwater restaurant. I'll certainly come visit one day.

I think the key to the seastead that people miss is the awesome opportunity for SCUBA divers. I am working on growing coral on the outside of my spar which will also protect the steel from rusting. There are an insane amount of fish already swimming around down there. With coral there will be more. There is a lot of SCUBA tourism in the area. We will likely be a new destination for them.

The restaurant should be pretty big. It will bring people out to see the seastead for themselves.

That's pretty much what I wanted to hear. Will seriously consider this for my settlement once I take care of some other things first.

Can't wait to visit the restaurant for starters. Do you have any timeline for it?

And probably my last question about seasteading in general. How likely is it that your boat would get rekt and what do you do in such a situation?
310  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 10, 2019, 01:18:50 PM
Have you considered donating your and Rick's body to cryopreservation?

No interest in it at all. Don't have any faith in the science behind it.

I'm holding out for uploading my consciousness within the next 40 years - should I last that long.
That's what I'm betting on myself, as well as life extension/rejuvenation. Keeping an open mind about the freezing thing though, but still got a long ass time before I need to worry about it for real. Given the low cost the option at least seems interesting though, even if it's a dud. Dead me won't care either way.
311  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 10, 2019, 01:06:45 PM
Dry breaks for both liquor and herb are quite nice from time to time indeed.

The Herb is a gift from Jah that helps me feel more in tune with life and relaxed. It inspires me to do creative things, and being more calm, reasonable, and introspective, while enduring the human condition, on a daily basis.

Alcohol, on the other hand, just shuts me down, and destroys any ability to work at anything resembling peak-efficiency.

The Herb has been a part of my life for longer than I care to admit. I've considered donating my body to science upon my passing, as a case study for chronic herb use, but Rick has some reservations.

I would rather eliminate all other vices from my life, than part with The Herb.

The Herb is life.

EDIT: Looks like a play for $5,300 is in the making.
I've been partaking in the herb for the majority of my life, mostly daily and starting off my day with it. I take occasional breaks ranging from a few days over a few weeks all the way to 1-2 months though. The breaks on the herb bring heavy lucid dreams though and they also reignite my drive.
Whenever I get too lazy I just stop smoking for a while and go full hyperactive assburger again. Lasts well beyond the break as well, otherwise I probably wouldn't bother. The breaks also amplify the effects once you recommence, which is quite nice.

Have you considered donating your and Rick's body to cryopreservation? If it doesn't work who cares, dead anyways. If it does, wee. The plans cost virtually nothing these days, if not right now then certainly when Bitcoin goes parabolic again (<1 BTC per person at that point).


1BTC for 1KG bar. That's my price and my limit (max amount of gold I would hodl/bury). I think it is ok for giggles no matter what.

No way I would ever be buying more than a 1 KG bar just for "historical" reasons. Fuck that 400oz bar.

We are "only" around 10x away from that moment. I have seen Bitcoin do crazier things than that.
I suppose canning one BTC for a kg of gold wouldn't hurt. Also, holy fuck platinum is cheap. I always thought it cost significantly more than gold but it's actually cheaper right now. I honestly don't see metal prices lasting much longer though. Couple of decades at best.
312  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 10, 2019, 12:24:49 PM
SIDEWAYS we go!



watching a bit forward in time...

Gyrsur posting 10 of those gold bars equals 12.5-20ish  BTC Smiley

That's the precise moment I am waiting for to buy a 1KG bar for around 1 BTC.
If it wasn't so easy to steal I'd get myself one at that point for shits and giggles and use it as furniture.
313  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 10, 2019, 12:11:36 PM

Since you're already active in that area, would you mind answering a few questions regarding seasteading for me? The responses can be however brief since this won't be immediately relevant for quite a number of years to me, but I'd like to sketch out some future options regardless.


Is it plausible to create a small seasteading property on which you could have some sort of outdoor space, or at least indoor garden or small park?

Small is easy. We're selling our DIY seasteads for $45k. This includes just a spar and a 7 meter wide steel plate that you can then customize as you wish.

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Perhaps an inner courtyard type setup with or without a roof that may or may not be opened and closed?

When thinking of seasteading start thinking in terms of boats instead of vast lands. The more open/empty space, the more the price.

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Is it possible to get a per square meter cost estimate (excluding inventory)?

Excluding everything, that barebones DIY will cost you about $108/sqft or $1169/sqm. You may consider that your "land" price. On top of that we build a fully self reliant home with solar electricity and fresh water (which brings the price up considerably).

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How do you go about acquiring "sea" (land/property) for something like this? Surely you can't just set up whatever arbitrarily?

We set up whatever, arbitrarily.

As long as it's over 12nm out we can put our seasteads there. But that comes with big waves which requires engineering to keep you above the waves.

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Is this possible in areas where you don't have to worry about pirates or rely on guns? (I don't have a problem with guns, but I'd prefer it being an option as opposed to a necessity if that makes sense.)
While we do not plan on building off of the coast of Somalia where there are pirates...
A pirate is defined as theft on the sea. If you're trying to find a place in the world where there are no thieves...good luck! Being a long boat ride where everyone can see you coming for miles is probably discouraging to most thieves. Also, us pulling up the ladder is likely better than a gun.

At least we're not robbed at least 30% of our salaries every paycheck living on the ocean.


Thanks a lot for the response. Suppose one was eyeing some 100sqm of space, would ~$2.5m be sufficient plus additional expenses for vanity furniture and inventory?

How hard would it be for someone to mess with you if you pull up the ladder? I had not considered that even entering could be prohibitive for someone already in your waters.

Are you running any aquaponics for veggies, herbs and fish?


I'm pretty lazy when it comes to leaving my quarters, so the general idea would be having enough "property" around to keep me entertained within my living space hence the perhaps odd questions.


Also, as many others already noted, the SeaBnB idea is fantastic, especially with the underwater restaurant. I'll certainly come visit one day.


Fucking IRS.

Got our final numbers from the accountant, and this is the first time, in a long time, that my is bill way higher than Ricks, owing to setting up my early retirement fund by selling off the BTC I did during the dying gasps of the bulls being devoured by the bears in late 2017/early 2018.

Rick suggested he would contribute $x towards my obligations, in exchange for $y Bitcorns. Think I'm going to take him up on the offer to preserve part of my cash stash, and cover my Q1 estimated taxes instead with the leftover liquidity, and put the rest back into a fund, somewhere.

At least this way, Bitcorn stays in the family, and would help towards his retirement plans if we have a couple more months of green dildos.

Also, today marks two weeks of being officially dry. I'm genuinely beginning to enjoy the clarity. feelsgoodman.

Dry breaks for both liquor and herb are quite nice from time to time indeed. It's pretty strange how you don't even really notice how much your mental space differs until you do take a break.
314  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 10, 2019, 10:54:31 AM
Did you get lost somehow and originally come from another timeline? Please share details.
Sleepy. 3500ish.
You can PM me the details if you're worried about the NSA. I'm also down for PGP.
315  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 10, 2019, 10:39:03 AM
I'm setting up my own BTCPay server for payments from people buying seasteads.

It's actually not too difficult if you go the LunaNode route (An ISP has integrated all of the packages for you with an easy to use configuration page).

So that took me a few hours this morning (Originally I was setting everything up on my computer but decided, screw it...I'll take the easy route).

On the other side...accepting dollars is a pain in the ass. To do this we had to incorporate. This involved finding a country that won't tax us to death for not doing anything in their country. We had to meet in person and show proof to the lawyers. Pay them thousands of dollars (my LunaNode cost $20). Air fare, hotel, etc.

Now we will be setting up our Singapore bank account which will likely require another flight and hotels. Then the huge hassle of accepting credit cards or PayPal (for the earnest money downpayment) which we get to pay them for the convenience.

At some point, in the likely not too distant future, we will probably just say screw it...if you want a seastead you convert to bitcoins and join the sane people who use a sane money.

As a special tribute to the dollar, we're doing our Initial Seastead Offering (ISeaO) on April 15th.

Protest the income tax by putting your 1% downpayment on buying a seastead.

https://ocean.builders/april-15th-initial-seastead-offering/
Since you're already active in that area, would you mind answering a few questions regarding seasteading for me? The responses can be however brief since this won't be immediately relevant for quite a number of years to me, but I'd like to sketch out some future options regardless.


Is it plausible to create a small seasteading property on which you could have some sort of outdoor space, or at least indoor garden or small park?

Perhaps an inner courtyard type setup with or without a roof that may or may not be opened and closed?

Is it possible to get a per square meter cost estimate (excluding inventory)?

How do you go about acquiring "sea" (land/property) for something like this? Surely you can't just set up whatever arbitrarily?

Is this possible in areas where you don't have to worry about pirates or rely on guns? (I don't have a problem with guns, but I'd prefer it being an option as opposed to a necessity if that makes sense.)


Meantime it looks like we're snug in the 5200-5300 range. Not a bad improvement from the 2800-3000 range a few weeks ago.

Progress. But does it mean BC is worth more, or fiat is simply worth less?
Did you get lost somehow and originally come from another timeline? Please share details.
316  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 10, 2019, 10:18:48 AM


I find it quite surprising that you would not know the significance of 21.

21 = 1/1 millionth of a bitcoin.  

And, a BTC accumulation goal of some peeps.
A bit arbitrary so passed my attention, but I guess it makes sense.

Completely arbitrary and doesn't make any sense.

Just by taking into account all the lost, burnt and destroyed BTC you can reduce this number by at least 20%
You can reduce the maximum of potentially circulating BTC, but not the maximum of potentially existing BTC.
317  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 10, 2019, 09:33:45 AM


I find it quite surprising that you would not know the significance of 21.

21 = 1/1 millionth of a bitcoin.  

And, a BTC accumulation goal of some peeps.
A bit arbitrary so passed my attention, but I guess it makes sense.
318  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 10, 2019, 09:26:12 AM
Trouble in the henhouse. A new way to multiply very large numbers together has been discovered

https://www.sciencealert.com/mathematicians-just-discovered-an-astonishing-new-way-to-multiply-numbers-together
As long as they can't unmultiply them (factor the product)...
Could potentially be used for data compression though, e.g. by just saving the factors and then computing the product on the go. Not sure how much, if anything, it would save though.

Thanks for the post, haven't heard about this in my usual circles yet.


It’s Wednesday my man.
The third day in a seven day week? 21?

We don’t talk about big blocks or BCH on Wednesdays.  For reasons. Instead we post pictures of ladies rock climbing.
Fair enough. Can't find any pictures of rocks climbing girls though so I'll pass with severe disappointment in Google. I thought the future was now, but I guess I was mistaken.
319  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 10, 2019, 09:03:55 AM
I am only 4.5BTC away from 10btc. It'll take a while if bitcoin keeps rising like this. 5 was my first target and I accomplished it a few weeks ago. 10 is next. 21 is after that. I'll probably cash out to lambo (by lambo i mean whatever i like) before I reach 21 but who knows.

Tone Vays says sub $3k, even sub 2k is still possible. I might get 4-5 coins instantly if that happens.
What's the deal with 21? Confirminati illumed?


It’s Wednesday my man.
The third day in a seven day week? 21?
320  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 10, 2019, 08:42:54 AM
I’m 2.1BTC away from a round number that I set myself as my total HODL stash. I might be able to reach it if we stay in this range until maybe Xmas.

If not then whatever, I have enough. Just a bit of OCD wanting to reach a certain figure.

I'm sig campaigning my way towards the magic 21,000 BTC figure. See you in 12,500 AD or so.
With some trading this would've actually been feasible at some point in time. Pretty crazy to think about.
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