Bitcoin Forum
May 27, 2019, 08:39:36 AM *
News: Latest Bitcoin Core release: 0.18.0 [Torrent] (New!)
 
   Home   Help Search Login Register More  
Poll
Question: What year will we achieve a new ATH?
2019 - 49 (30.6%)
2020 - 63 (39.4%)
2021 - 34 (21.3%)
2022 - 8 (5%)
2023 - 1 (0.6%)
Never - 5 (3.1%)
Total Voters: 160

Pages: « 1 ... 23368 23369 23370 23371 23372 23373 23374 23375 23376 23377 23378 23379 23380 23381 23382 23383 23384 23385 23386 23387 23388 23389 23390 23391 23392 23393 23394 23395 23396 23397 23398 23399 23400 23401 23402 23403 23404 23405 23406 23407 23408 23409 23410 23411 23412 23413 23414 23415 23416 23417 [23418] 23419 23420 23421 23422 23423 23424 23425 23426 23427 23428 23429 23430 23431 23432 23433 23434 23435 23436 23437 23438 23439 23440 23441 23442 23443 23444 23445 23446 23447 23448 23449 23450 23451 23452 23453 23454 23455 23456 23457 23458 23459 23460 23461 23462 23463 23464 23465 23466 23467 23468 ... 23979 »
  Print  
Author Topic: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion  (Read 21182654 times)
This is a self-moderated topic. If you do not want to be moderated by the person who started this topic, create a new topic. (24 posts by 13 users deleted.)
fillippone
Sr. Member
****
Online Online

Activity: 350
Merit: 431


Self Made Sr. Member


View Profile
April 10, 2019, 08:30:53 AM

Introducing Cumulative Value Days Destroyed (CVDD) and Balanced Price. New experimental models using the early metric of Bitcoin Days Destroy. Check @kenoshaking's handle very shortly for Balanced Price, I'll dig into CVDD here.


via Imgflip Meme Generator


https://woobull.com/experiments-on-cumulative-destruction/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Seems intresting.... But gotta hit the HODLtomb, leave it here so i can find it easily tomorrow “or Maybe Some of you gonna give it short” Grin

Woobull always provide good analysis, with a fundamental “insight”. I think plotting AT stuff on those has more value than doing the same on price, where white noise and manipulation can easily trigger unwanted movements.
Studying those to put them into my next monthly analysis.
PLAY OVER 3000 GAMES
LIGHTNING FAST WITHDRAWALS
PLAY NOW
Advertised sites are not endorsed by the Bitcoin Forum. They may be unsafe, untrustworthy, or illegal in your jurisdiction. Advertise here.
1558946376
Hero Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1558946376

View Profile Personal Message (Offline)

Ignore
1558946376
Reply with quote  #2

1558946376
Report to moderator
1558946376
Hero Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1558946376

View Profile Personal Message (Offline)

Ignore
1558946376
Reply with quote  #2

1558946376
Report to moderator
bakasabo
Member
**
Offline Offline

Activity: 504
Merit: 51

Free Crypto in Stake.com Telegram t.me/StakeCasino


View Profile WWW
April 10, 2019, 08:34:18 AM

Found the reason why we had red market yesterday

BTCMILLIONAIRE
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 1204
Merit: 765



View Profile
April 10, 2019, 08:41:05 AM

Internet speeds are irrelevant, as they increase rapidly as data usage increases. The capacity is not even remotely near its maximum (last I checked 100~1000 GBit for consumers were possible but simply not sensible right now), even if you exclude all the satellites that are being launched over the coming years.

Data plans irrelevant as most countries don't have "data plans" for home use and offer unlimited bandwidth instead.

Storage is irrelevant as well. Even 4 TB SSDs only cost a few hundred bucks these days. By the time storage became an issue we'll have 50-100 TB hard drives for a couple hundred dollars.

RAM seems the only sensible bottleneck if your numbers are accurate. $6 per GB currently and I haven't seen RAM size increase as much as other hardware. But that seems to be mostly because of a lack of utility rather than technical implausibility.

I also fail to see how your highway analogy is supposed to hold. Highways are inherently limited by physical space. Hardware inherently works in a different way. If we had arbitrary amounts of space that we could build on economically we'd have no problem with building even a personal lane for every single human in the world. And with hardware we actually do. It takes sometime to develop and scale, but so far there's no end in sight to how much data we can get from any one point on earth to any other.


I have no idea about the implications on mining and centralization though.


As far as a "real game changer" is concerned. That's already Bitcoin. It solves one of humanity's biggest issues. Banks fucking around and screwing the entire population. For a new "real game changer" to appear we would first require a new "real problem".
And Bitcoin hasn't even been around long enough to really get rid of the issues that come with banking, privatized profits, socialized losses, as well as the fiat toilet paper printing press.

It'll probably take a few decades until we can really identify new serious problems and have people give enough of a shit about them for some to try and someone to actually succeed in solving them as well as people actually jumping ship.

yes totally agree with you on your last point....

The highway analogy was not about space to build the highway, but rather it doesn't matter how many lanes are built, it will still eventually get to the same outcome as a 1 lane highway. You will still end up with traffic congestion, nothing has been solved. I was merely trying to associate with the fact bitcoin developers was not concerned with building more lanes, ie increase block size, but focusing on alternate transport methods or alternate transport habits. ie layer 2 scaling.

There also comes to a point where you may never be able to run full node from scratch. Based on a 30sec a 1MB validation time and i have read somewhere that it may be quadratically longer the bigger the block. will try and find the whitepaper on that one, but for arguments sake i used a linear model. You will be validating previous blocks and never catching up.

Just to confirm the 30sec theory, i'd shutdown my Bitcoin Node, was 8 blocks behind, fired it back up and it took about 5mins to catch up 10 blocks, two blocks was found while validating/catching up.

Maybe in developed countries the internet is more reliable, but what about us third world internet countries, like here in Australia! Struggling to even get 100Mbit business internet grade, let alone consumer grade. Typical speeds are more like 10mbit.

BTW 100-1000Gbit Internet available right now? who the fuck is offering that? i want one right now!






Again, your highway analogy only works with restrictive limitations. More highways irl only converge towards congestion because we can't build them indefinitely in an economic manner. If we kept building highways indefinitely, then at some point there would be more lanes than humans and thus no congestion whatsoever, even long before each person gets their own lane.
And again, our bandwidth is not even remotely utilized to its full capacity even when ignoring future changes. Congestion is a non-issue, at least with the issues that you've raised so far. As soon as it became one our bandwidth and data plans would adapt and that's that.

I'm saying 100-1000Gbit are easily possible, probably more by now since I've read about this quite a while ago. There's just no reason to offer those bandwidths when the most a consumer does is stream multiple 4k videos at the same time. See for example this article from 2007: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/07/12/swedish_woman_has_fastest_internet_connection/

The argument with undeveloped countries (in terms of internet speed) doesn't hold if you argue for decentralization, unless you want the majority of "normal" people to run a node. There are enough people who can easily afford to run nodes and they don't. This won't change even if it's free simply because there's no immediate incentive for anyone to do so. If people acted in the ways necessary for that to work none of us would be using fiat money.


Edit: Not trying to say that there is no problem with big blocks. I don't know enough about the protocol to pass judgement on that front. But the bandwidth and storage issues seem heavily overblown to me and suffering from the same type of linear mindset that keeps people out of Bitcoin and investing in general.
BTCMILLIONAIRE
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 1204
Merit: 765



View Profile
April 10, 2019, 08:41:56 AM

So:


I haven't seen a single decent response to jbreher so far, so there's some merit to this claim.

Also, the market cap argument some people brought up doesn't follow. Popularity does not imply superiority by technical standards.

Now you have. Bookmark it.
Not sure if you're just being confrontational for the sake of it. But my point remains unchanged.
BTCMILLIONAIRE
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 1204
Merit: 765



View Profile
April 10, 2019, 08:42:54 AM

I’m 2.1BTC away from a round number that I set myself as my total HODL stash. I might be able to reach it if we stay in this range until maybe Xmas.

If not then whatever, I have enough. Just a bit of OCD wanting to reach a certain figure.

I'm sig campaigning my way towards the magic 21,000 BTC figure. See you in 12,500 AD or so.
With some trading this would've actually been feasible at some point in time. Pretty crazy to think about.
HairyMaclairy
Hero Member
*****
Online Online

Activity: 840
Merit: 1371


Degenerate bull hatter & Bitcoin monotheist


View Profile
April 10, 2019, 08:52:41 AM

So:


I haven't seen a single decent response to jbreher so far, so there's some merit to this claim.

Also, the market cap argument some people brought up doesn't follow. Popularity does not imply superiority by technical standards.

Now you have. Bookmark it.
Not sure if you're just being confrontational for the sake of it. But my point remains unchanged.

It’s Wednesday my man.
BTCMILLIONAIRE
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 1204
Merit: 765



View Profile
April 10, 2019, 09:03:55 AM

I am only 4.5BTC away from 10btc. It'll take a while if bitcoin keeps rising like this. 5 was my first target and I accomplished it a few weeks ago. 10 is next. 21 is after that. I'll probably cash out to lambo (by lambo i mean whatever i like) before I reach 21 but who knows.

Tone Vays says sub $3k, even sub 2k is still possible. I might get 4-5 coins instantly if that happens.
What's the deal with 21? Confirminati illumed?


It’s Wednesday my man.
The third day in a seven day week? 21?
JayJuanGee
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1904
Merit: 1764


How much alt coin diversification is needed? 0%?


View Profile
April 10, 2019, 09:10:19 AM

I am only 4.5BTC away from 10btc. It'll take a while if bitcoin keeps rising like this. 5 was my first target and I accomplished it a few weeks ago. 10 is next. 21 is after that. I'll probably cash out to lambo (by lambo i mean whatever i like) before I reach 21 but who knows.

Tone Vays says sub $3k, even sub 2k is still possible. I might get 4-5 coins instantly if that happens.
What's the deal with 21? Confirminati illumed?


It’s Wednesday my man.
The third day in a seven day week? 21?



I find it quite surprising that you would not know the significance of 21.

21 = 1/1 millionth of a bitcoin.  

And, a BTC accumulation goal of some peeps.
HairyMaclairy
Hero Member
*****
Online Online

Activity: 840
Merit: 1371


Degenerate bull hatter & Bitcoin monotheist


View Profile
April 10, 2019, 09:16:21 AM
Merited by bitcoinPsycho (1)

I am only 4.5BTC away from 10btc. It'll take a while if bitcoin keeps rising like this. 5 was my first target and I accomplished it a few weeks ago. 10 is next. 21 is after that. I'll probably cash out to lambo (by lambo i mean whatever i like) before I reach 21 but who knows.

Tone Vays says sub $3k, even sub 2k is still possible. I might get 4-5 coins instantly if that happens.
What's the deal with 21? Confirminati illumed?


It’s Wednesday my man.
The third day in a seven day week? 21?

We don’t talk about big blocks or BCH on Wednesdays.  For reasons. Instead we post pictures of ladies rock climbing.
BTCMILLIONAIRE
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 1204
Merit: 765



View Profile
April 10, 2019, 09:26:12 AM

Trouble in the henhouse. A new way to multiply very large numbers together has been discovered

https://www.sciencealert.com/mathematicians-just-discovered-an-astonishing-new-way-to-multiply-numbers-together
As long as they can't unmultiply them (factor the product)...
Could potentially be used for data compression though, e.g. by just saving the factors and then computing the product on the go. Not sure how much, if anything, it would save though.

Thanks for the post, haven't heard about this in my usual circles yet.


It’s Wednesday my man.
The third day in a seven day week? 21?

We don’t talk about big blocks or BCH on Wednesdays.  For reasons. Instead we post pictures of ladies rock climbing.
Fair enough. Can't find any pictures of rocks climbing girls though so I'll pass with severe disappointment in Google. I thought the future was now, but I guess I was mistaken.
BTCMILLIONAIRE
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 1204
Merit: 765



View Profile
April 10, 2019, 09:33:45 AM



I find it quite surprising that you would not know the significance of 21.

21 = 1/1 millionth of a bitcoin.  

And, a BTC accumulation goal of some peeps.
A bit arbitrary so passed my attention, but I guess it makes sense.
JSRAW
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Activity: 350
Merit: 269



View Profile
April 10, 2019, 09:52:15 AM



We don’t talk about big blocks or BCH on Wednesdays.  For reasons. Instead we post pictures of ladies rock climbing.

When Twerk day for a pussy cat.
VB1001
Full Member
***
Online Online

Activity: 238
Merit: 540


"Four Wheel Drive"


View Profile
April 10, 2019, 09:55:59 AM

^
The cat is being lifted by the tail, people are crazy.
mOgliE
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 840
Merit: 1162



View Profile
April 10, 2019, 10:00:19 AM



I find it quite surprising that you would not know the significance of 21.

21 = 1/1 millionth of a bitcoin.  

And, a BTC accumulation goal of some peeps.
A bit arbitrary so passed my attention, but I guess it makes sense.

Completely arbitrary and doesn't make any sense.

Just by taking into account all the lost, burnt and destroyed BTC you can reduce this number by at least 20%
nutildah
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1400
Merit: 1608


Permanent Tourist


View Profile
April 10, 2019, 10:05:15 AM

We don’t talk about big blocks or BCH on Wednesdays.  For reasons. Instead we post pictures of ladies rock climbing.

I think this is a great policy as everything that can possibly be said about the matter already has. Hmm, at a second glance I think somebody may have posted this one already, oh well.



After perusing rock climbing ladies for 10 minutes, I have say, some of these women are intimidatingly built. They could probably rip my dick clean off.

I just moved from almost nowhere to the middle of nowhere and I'm bored AF, will probably keep searching.
VB1001
Full Member
***
Online Online

Activity: 238
Merit: 540


"Four Wheel Drive"


View Profile
April 10, 2019, 10:16:17 AM


https://twitter.com/woonomic/status/1115730399479644160

Woo Analysis

Quote
Introducing Cumulative Value Days Destroyed (CVDD) and Balanced Price.
New experimental models using the early metric of Bitcoin Days Destroy. Check @kenoshaking's handle very shortly for Balanced Price, I'll dig into CVDD here.

Experiments on Cumulative Destruction
David Puell, Willy Woo

https://woobull.com/experiments-on-cumulative-destruction/



The bottom could be inside, purple line of the graph.  Wink
BTCMILLIONAIRE
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 1204
Merit: 765



View Profile
April 10, 2019, 10:18:48 AM



I find it quite surprising that you would not know the significance of 21.

21 = 1/1 millionth of a bitcoin.  

And, a BTC accumulation goal of some peeps.
A bit arbitrary so passed my attention, but I guess it makes sense.

Completely arbitrary and doesn't make any sense.

Just by taking into account all the lost, burnt and destroyed BTC you can reduce this number by at least 20%
You can reduce the maximum of potentially circulating BTC, but not the maximum of potentially existing BTC.
Elwar
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 2800
Merit: 1383


Viva Ut Vivas


View Profile WWW
April 10, 2019, 10:24:37 AM
Last edit: April 30, 2019, 02:20:29 PM by Elwar
Merited by vapourminer (1), nutildah (1), VB1001 (1)

I'm setting up my own BTCPay server for payments from people buying seasteads.

It's actually not too difficult if you go the LunaNode route (An ISP has integrated all of the packages for you with an easy to use configuration page).

So that took me a few hours this morning (Originally I was setting everything up on my computer but decided, screw it...I'll take the easy route).

As a special tribute to the dollar, we're doing our Initial Seastead Offering (ISeaO) on April 15th.

Protest the income tax by putting your 1% downpayment on buying a seastead.

https://ocean.builders/april-15th-initial-seastead-offering/
lightfoot
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1862
Merit: 1073


I fix broken miners. And make holes in teeth :-)


View Profile
April 10, 2019, 10:30:45 AM

Meantime it looks like we're snug in the 5200-5300 range. Not a bad improvement from the 2800-3000 range a few weeks ago.

Progress. But does it mean BC is worth more, or fiat is simply worth less?
BTCMILLIONAIRE
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 1204
Merit: 765



View Profile
April 10, 2019, 10:39:03 AM

I'm setting up my own BTCPay server for payments from people buying seasteads.

It's actually not too difficult if you go the LunaNode route (An ISP has integrated all of the packages for you with an easy to use configuration page).

So that took me a few hours this morning (Originally I was setting everything up on my computer but decided, screw it...I'll take the easy route).

On the other side...accepting dollars is a pain in the ass. To do this we had to incorporate. This involved finding a country that won't tax us to death for not doing anything in their country. We had to meet in person and show proof to the lawyers. Pay them thousands of dollars (my LunaNode cost $20). Air fare, hotel, etc.

Now we will be setting up our Singapore bank account which will likely require another flight and hotels. Then the huge hassle of accepting credit cards or PayPal (for the earnest money downpayment) which we get to pay them for the convenience.

At some point, in the likely not too distant future, we will probably just say screw it...if you want a seastead you convert to bitcoins and join the sane people who use a sane money.

As a special tribute to the dollar, we're doing our Initial Seastead Offering (ISeaO) on April 15th.

Protest the income tax by putting your 1% downpayment on buying a seastead.

https://ocean.builders/april-15th-initial-seastead-offering/
Since you're already active in that area, would you mind answering a few questions regarding seasteading for me? The responses can be however brief since this won't be immediately relevant for quite a number of years to me, but I'd like to sketch out some future options regardless.


Is it plausible to create a small seasteading property on which you could have some sort of outdoor space, or at least indoor garden or small park?

Perhaps an inner courtyard type setup with or without a roof that may or may not be opened and closed?

Is it possible to get a per square meter cost estimate (excluding inventory)?

How do you go about acquiring "sea" (land/property) for something like this? Surely you can't just set up whatever arbitrarily?

Is this possible in areas where you don't have to worry about pirates or rely on guns? (I don't have a problem with guns, but I'd prefer it being an option as opposed to a necessity if that makes sense.)


Meantime it looks like we're snug in the 5200-5300 range. Not a bad improvement from the 2800-3000 range a few weeks ago.

Progress. But does it mean BC is worth more, or fiat is simply worth less?
Did you get lost somehow and originally come from another timeline? Please share details.
Pages: « 1 ... 23368 23369 23370 23371 23372 23373 23374 23375 23376 23377 23378 23379 23380 23381 23382 23383 23384 23385 23386 23387 23388 23389 23390 23391 23392 23393 23394 23395 23396 23397 23398 23399 23400 23401 23402 23403 23404 23405 23406 23407 23408 23409 23410 23411 23412 23413 23414 23415 23416 23417 [23418] 23419 23420 23421 23422 23423 23424 23425 23426 23427 23428 23429 23430 23431 23432 23433 23434 23435 23436 23437 23438 23439 23440 23441 23442 23443 23444 23445 23446 23447 23448 23449 23450 23451 23452 23453 23454 23455 23456 23457 23458 23459 23460 23461 23462 23463 23464 23465 23466 23467 23468 ... 23979 »
  Print  
 
Jump to:  

Sponsored by , a Bitcoin-accepting VPN.
Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.19 | SMF © 2006-2009, Simple Machines Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!