how will the marketplace offers be stored, what about the images/media and other info, how are they stored? I'm assuming your hosting each marketplace via the simple http server you have in your code? How is it decentralized hosting, that i thought was claimed somewhere about this coin?
As I understand the Shadow communication system, all the content for the platform exists in each wallet. That's the way the Shadowchat works- everybody on the network gets the message, only the intended recipient can read it or is alerted to it. This may eventually create a bit of of bloat and I can foresee the wallet and its content getting very large after a while, but there is no free lunch. ^ this .. However the beauty of it running on the ShadowChat P2P network is that we have full control over data pruning ... So no bloat! How is the data persisted? Like if there is an offer in the marketplace it essentially is only in your wallet and the html interface just shows it? Would another node be able to sell your offer in his marketplace? Good you guys brought this up again as I was wondering this myself still.. On the subject of blockchain bloat, I saw this interesting post on reddit earlier: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/301r4e/crypto_primitive_shorter_than_current_monero_ring/Adam Back I guess has suggested a way to decrease the size of ring sigs by about 1/2 of what they are today. May be interesting to some. |
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where to get support for the wallet? I tried to register a username right now on ShadowTalk but I never got a confirmation email.
I installed the wallet last night, did the whole bootstrap thing and the thing will never finish syncing. I tried to transfer 5 sdc as a test from bittrex to my wallet address as a test. Bittrex confirmed the withdraw, but the Shadow client isnt showing any pending deposits. It still says 'out of sync', has a rotating pair of arrows in the bottom right-hand corner. In the bottom left-hand corner there is a progress bar under where it says "Shadow v1.3.1.0", but that bar has only made it half-way, and it's been sitting there like this for hours now, even after the bootstrap thing I let it do last night while I was sleeping.
anyone know what's going on or where I can get support for this issue?
thanks,
k
There were some syncing issues today it seems. Maybe there was a small fork or something. I also had issues and am trying to work them out. You can try going to help then debug, then typing "rewindchain 1000" in the debug console. This rewinds the chain back 1000 blocks. Also you can try deleting peers.dat in the shadowcoin folder and restarting the wallet. If you want more support you can try to pop in IRC, link is here: https://kiwiirc.com/client/chat.freenode.net/#shadowcash |
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are there future plans for SDC to have a wallet similar to the (Blockchain.info) wallet?
None that I know of. But anybody could create such a web wallet if they wished. It would be cool. There are regular web wallets that hold your private key, and I believe blockchain.info does not hold your private keys with their scheme and that is preferred. I suppose there could be a wallet that handles SDC. To have a wallet that handles the Shadow Tokens may be a bit more difficult. But Monero did it with MyMonero. I believe they don't control your private spend key, but they do have your sight key. This means you have to trust them with your privacy, which is one downfall. I would like to be able to hold some SDC on a hardware wallet like Trezor, or ledger wallet. Also one issue with proof of stake coins is that you have to use a hot wallet to stake the coins. This can lead to security concerns. It would be nice if you can hold your coins safely in a hardware wallet while staking, but I don't know if this is possible or how it would work. Pline this is a project I am working on, The secure staking hardware wallet. That's awesome to hear! We really need that. |
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are there future plans for SDC to have a wallet similar to the (Blockchain.info) wallet?
None that I know of. But anybody could create such a web wallet if they wished. It would be cool. There are regular web wallets that hold your private key, and I believe blockchain.info does not hold your private keys with their scheme and that is preferred. I suppose there could be a wallet that handles SDC. To have a wallet that handles the Shadow Tokens may be a bit more difficult. But Monero did it with MyMonero. I believe they don't control your private spend key, but they do have your sight key. This means you have to trust them with your privacy, which is one downfall. I would like to be able to hold some SDC on a hardware wallet like Trezor, or ledger wallet. Also one issue with proof of stake coins is that you have to use a hot wallet to stake the coins. This can lead to security concerns. It would be nice if you can hold your coins safely in a hardware wallet while staking, but I don't know if this is possible or how it would work. |
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Navajo is a centralized system from my understanding. The nodes are centralized and maintained by the Navajo Coin Foundation. Although they are looking for a method to decentralize it without compromising the anonymity of the network. From their white paper, section 2.2.8: Node Maintenance:
The nodes will be decentralized, but to begin
with they will be maintained by the Navajo
Coin Foundation. We are working to find a
secure way that we could distribute the code
for users to setup their own nodes, while still
being able to guarantee the integrity of the
Anonymous Network. http://navajocoin.org/files/navajo_whitepaper_march2015.pdfSo logically this follows navajo becoming a 2 tier mixing system with masternodes at some point in the future. Once again this is provided by DASH/DRK True 00Smurf, difference is that Navajo is at a fraction of DRK value right now and it's PoS, and don't have that shadow "instamine" over its head like dark/dish have No worries, whales and ballers will find their way into Navajo soon enough  There was no Shadow instamine at all. It was mined POW for about 3 weeks from my understanding. Most miners dumped for cheap it seems since you can pick up about 1% of the total Shadow supply for like 12-15 btc at current prices. Navajo has some similarities to DRK actually. This is because Navajo started as summercoin, then later changed to try and be an anonymous coin. This is similar to how DRK started off as X-coin or something. How many people scooped up the supply when it was the unknown summercoin? This is probably why the market cap is somewhat inflated for NAV. Pline he was talking about the dark instamine. Oh I see, yeah the word "shadow" threw me off  |
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Navajo is a centralized system from my understanding. The nodes are centralized and maintained by the Navajo Coin Foundation. Although they are looking for a method to decentralize it without compromising the anonymity of the network. From their white paper, section 2.2.8: Node Maintenance:
The nodes will be decentralized, but to begin
with they will be maintained by the Navajo
Coin Foundation. We are working to find a
secure way that we could distribute the code
for users to setup their own nodes, while still
being able to guarantee the integrity of the
Anonymous Network. http://navajocoin.org/files/navajo_whitepaper_march2015.pdfSo logically this follows navajo becoming a 2 tier mixing system with masternodes at some point in the future. Once again this is provided by DASH/DRK True 00Smurf, difference is that Navajo is at a fraction of DRK value right now and it's PoS, and don't have that shadow "instamine" over its head like dark/dish have No worries, whales and ballers will find their way into Navajo soon enough There was no Shadow instamine at all. It was mined POW for about 3 weeks from my understanding. Most miners dumped for cheap it seems since you can pick up about 1% of the total Shadow supply for like 12-15 btc at current prices. Navajo has some similarities to DRK actually. This is because Navajo started as summercoin, then later changed to try and be an anonymous coin. This is similar to how DRK started off as X-coin or something. How many people scooped up the supply when it was the unknown summercoin? This is probably why the market cap is somewhat inflated for NAV. |
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I wonder how many days left until child_harold returns from his pilgrimage, lol.
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Navajo is a centralized system from my understanding. The nodes are centralized and maintained by the Navajo Coin Foundation. Although they are looking for a method to decentralize it without compromising the anonymity of the network. From their white paper, section 2.2.8: Node Maintenance:
The nodes will be decentralized, but to begin
with they will be maintained by the Navajo
Coin Foundation. We are working to find a
secure way that we could distribute the code
for users to setup their own nodes, while still
being able to guarantee the integrity of the
Anonymous Network. http://navajocoin.org/files/navajo_whitepaper_march2015.pdf |
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any one can give me addnote? I started SDC wallet , but It still show "OUT OF SYNC"
edit : Oh, I found bootstrap
In my experience bootstrap can still take some time to download the blockchain, but still is much faster. Here is more good instructions on how to use bootstrap for anyone else who wants them: http://shadowcash.info/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=1376304 |
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Is it just me or does the price seem a bit more "solid" we seem to be moving up
Yeah there seems to be a lot more buy support recently. Usually I have noticed trade volume drops way off on the weekend, so it will be interesting to see what happens during the week. Also the price hit 33K on Poloniex earlier, would be nice to get some more volume there. |
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Shadow is rising.
As the saying goes you can hold a ball under water only for so long, but when you let it go its going to explode to the surface and be exposed to the world! Try that with a bowling ball! Just kidding guys. Carry on ring sig brothers. Hey smooth, when are you going to do some deving and build Monero a wallet? Too busy working the internals I'm afraid. Good thing we have facilitated and funded five different wallets already with another one coming soon. Learn to take a joke please. The world will thank you. Nobody wants to hear your troll jokes, especially after you attacked our community calling us all dumb shits for quoting our lead developer. Stay out of our thread. |
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Smooth please don't throw your false accusations at me, when you are the obvious troll, FUDing and calling names to a competing project.
Pline I am certainly blunt and when I feel the level of respect due given observed actions is low, abrasive, but I'm not "calling names" at a project (though I do at individuals when those names are deserved), my accusations are not false, and I'm not FUDing in the sense of spreading fear, uncertainty or doubt about SDC. In fact even when it comes to "a competing project" I care far less about how it all turns out that you would probably believe. I view it as a fun and interesting hobby, but certainly nothing worth fighting over. Frankly I would never comment on SDC at all, if people would stop making incorrect statements and hype. It's a bit absurd for you to be posting those papers when it is quite clear from our interactions that you have either zero ability to understand them, or zero willingness to accept, at least publicly, the correct conclusions I've put forward. Please review our exchange about "tokens" on this thread for a clear demonstration of this. If you and others stop pumping your coin with ignorant or deliberately misleading claims, I'll have nothing further to say about SDC, frankly it doesn't really interest me. The easiest and best thing for you to do at this point would be to stop talking about the tech at all, because nearly every time you do you get it wrong. More of the same. Anybody can look at my comments about tokens. All I did was say that there are similarities between zerocoin minting and ShadowCash minting, and its cited in the ShadowCash whitepaper. Anybody can research those whitepapers themselves to see I am telling the truth, and you are just FUDing. If you spent half the time coding as you do trolling, FUDing, and namecalling on here, then maybe Monero would have a useful GUI wallet. |
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1) deceptive promotion ?
Please quote some examples.
I'm not going to repeat. Reread my previous posts. any "deceptive PR" may have just been a community member's mistake.
Do u assert The Shadow Team have deceived?
As an outside observer, particularly given the existence of sock puppets, etc. it is impossible to determine who is saying what. Furthermore I don't keep track of who is The Shadow Team nor do I particularly care. If people are pumping and spamming and posting incorrect and misleading hype about a coin, the coin is being hyped in a scammish manner. One account that certainly does this is Pline, and I know he is being deliberately misleading because I've discussed these issues with him before, yet he continues doing it. Or take a look at the DRK vs. XMR thread where SDC was completely off topic, yet repeatedly spammed. I don't know if he is "The Shadow Team" but he's certainly active on the SDC thread as a supporter and probably so I'll count him as one of "you guys" (as opposed to some random troll who pretends to support something in an obnoxious or misleading manner in order to discredit it; if that were happening to SDC I would support you on that, but that's not what is happening). Beyond that distinction, I don't care who is The Shadow Team and who isn't, and neither do the people that SDC pumpers are trying to get to buy their crap when the spew hype and spam all over the place. 2) misleading statements that are repeatedly made ?
Please quote some examples.
Again, reread my previous posts. If you want to clean up SDC's act, then I support you and your efforts. If you want to continue to argue over the hyped and spammed crap that usually comes out of SDC, then fuck you too. You may be a great guy according to David Latapie, but if you're defending liars, pumpers, and scammers then you are a scammer too. Smooth please don't throw your false accusations at me, when you are the obvious troll, FUDing and calling names to a competing project. Anybody reading this knows how unprofessional you are, and you give Monero a bad name. Anybody can verify the claims I have made for themselves if they simply take time to read the whitepapers and research. Please educate yourself people and don't listen to biased and rude people on the internet who hurl insults and FUD. ShadowCash whitepaper: http://shadow.cash/downloads/shadowcash-anon.pdfCryptonote whitepaper: https://cryptonote.org/whitepaper.pdfZerocoin: http://isi.jhu.edu/~mgreen/ZerocoinOakland.pdfZerocash (extended version): http://zerocash-project.org/media/pdf/zerocash-extended-20140518.pdfvideo about zerocash: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96ULlHhia_Q&feature=youtu.be&t=4h15m8s |
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And what brand of scam is Monero?
Just for yourself. The coin that gets relentlessly promoted is Monero, you and your buddies are all over this forum 24/7 and you have the nerve to accuse Shadow of that. wtf
In your rush to create a false moral equivalence, you dropped a few important words there. In particular "deceptive" and "misleading" If I've said anything deceptive or misleading about Monero, please let me know so I can correct it. I don't know if you said anything misleading about Monero, but you said misleading things about Shadow that is for sure. |
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Smooth, you have stated that a considerable amount of work has gone into SDC, yet you still call it a scam.
True and true. I explained further on this thread. There is a brand of scam that involves cloning something with no substance and then pumping it (for example several hundred alts). There is another brand of scam that involves doing some development and then promoting it in an aggressive and deliberately misleading and deceptive way (for example SDC or BCN, although BCN's substantive contribution to cryptotechnology was vastly more than SDCs). And where and who are all these SDC pumpers you keep talking about All over this damn forum. For example, there was a recently thread about "DRK vs. XMR". The SDC pumpers couldn't read the subject though, and decided that was a good place to start spewing the nonsense about tokens and zero knowledge and "not a copy of cryptonote" all the rest. SDC is at .05 US Ask yourself where it would be if it wasn't being relentlessly promoted. So I suppose Monero would be the former type of scam, because its a copy and paste fork of cryptonote/bytecoin. Please let us know when you get a good working GUI wallet. Shadow wallet has you defeated. |
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This "SDC whitepaper" is faked as fuck. If you want to expose some arguments against SDC community members, for saying false statements about tech, go on with real quotes. But please don't use fakes like this to gain some credit. That's definitely in the SDC Whitpaper at specifically 3.2.2(just like the image shows  ) What exactly is the point that this quote is supposed to prove? Seems like smooth is just spouting some more technobabble. Fake whitepapers, technobable quotes. Wow, what will those Monero scammers do next? It proves these so-called "tokens" in SDC just has outputs on the blockchain, which are the exact same thing that (nearly; excluding the few that are account-based such as XCN) every other cryptocurrency. has There is no substance to this "tokens just like zerocash" talking point you pumpers came up with. The tokens have outputs on the blockchain. But there was a reason for choosing tokens, and that is because the devs are building towards a direction that they are striving for. Let me quote rynomaster the lead dev again: The reason we opted for anonymous tokens, instead of direct anonymous outputs to ringsigs, is because we're building towards direction we're heading in. What we're striving for... Encrypted values, with perfect nizkps, proving all values of inputs are real, without revealing any information about where they come from. We're looking at many things, like homomorphic encryption, snarks, etc... http://eprint.iacr.org/2014/976 snarks are advancing, along with many other ideas... We are not for limiting ourselves, but for bettering our [collective] future So it seems that the plan is to add zkSNARKS in the future once they are out and fully trustless, and this is the main reason for tokens. SNARKS are still developing and there are still some obstacles before they are fully trustless from my understanding. My guess is once implemented, this would look similar to the second zerocash whitepaper that includes SNARK discussions. Although I know smooth will just call this vaporware, I think these Shadow devs deserve credit for building a foundation that makes it obvious the direction they are heading in. They are proving themselves, and should be respected. Definitely they should not be disrespected and FUDed, and called names, and called a scam. |
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This "SDC whitepaper" is faked as fuck. If you want to expose some arguments against SDC community members, for saying false statements about tech, go on with real quotes. But please don't use fakes like this to gain some credit. That's definitely in the SDC Whitpaper at specifically 3.2.2(just like the image shows ) What exactly is the point that this quote is supposed to prove? Seems like smooth is just spouting some more technobabble. |
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Ur a Monero DEV who spends his time on BCT trash-talking crypto peeps?
Clue for the clueless: I'm a Monero dev but I'm also a long-time cryptocurrency enthusiast and who doesn't approve of ignorant (or perhaps not ignorant; that would be worse) pumpers using technobabble to rip of non-technical investors by misleading them into believe there is more substance than there actually is. I'm not trash-talking, I'm calling you out for exactly this sort of scamming. You are the one scamming and FUDing and using the technobabble to make investors believe there is less than there actually is with SDC. It makes sense that this would be your motive as a Monero dev, because Shadow would eat into your market share and is a threat to you. |
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More ignorant nonsense about SDC minting having anything to do with zerocoin, not copied from cryptonote, etc.
i.e. more or less exactly what I said SDC proponents constantly do.
Sigh. I guess the new iteration of this nonsense is "anonymous tokens are not just anonymous outputs." Hey dumb shit, that's exactly what they are in SDC. Ohh name calling, how professional the Monero dev team is. I meant direct anonymous outputs to ring sigs. As quoted by rynomster the lead SDC dev: If you look at the timestamps, Fluffy pony made those comments before shadowsend v2 was open source...
Yep, that's correct. I made the first two comments with respect to commit 94bfb03. Thereafter (the following day) commit 317b9b1 was made and pushed to the repo, and subsequently pointed out to me. I reviewed that, and thus updated that thread with the additional comment. Honestly, I don't really care to get into a this-coin-that-coin debate. Kudos to the dev(s) for actually putting in effort to implement a very simplified ring signature system. If they add bad utxo blacklisting and also provide a suitable fix for the chain reaction privacy reveal outlined in Monero Research Lab's MRL-0001 research bulletin they are well on their way to implementing one half of the two core privacy principles espoused in Monero's cryptography (that is to say, they would then be able to provide a measure of cryptographic untraceability, but not cryptographic unlinkability). Unfortunately I can't get to in Monero Research Lab's MRL-0001 research bulletin, but I am certainly looking forward to reading it Our scheme was never going to be perfect, and we have said on a few occasions that we will only be utilising a basic nizkp until zk-snarks is fully out and trustless. I have also told people that I'm not an academic, nor a grad student.. Just your average Joe, who dropped out of school, and wants to help move things along If this was about money, we definitely would not work as we do on a single project, and we definitely would not have open sourced on our first opportunity to do so.. The reason we opted for anonymous tokens, instead of direct anonymous outputs to ringsigs, is because we're building towards direction we're heading in. What we're striving for... Encrypted values, with perfect nizkps, proving all values of inputs are real, without revealing any information about where they come from.We're looking at many things, like homomorphic encryption, snarks, etc... http://eprint.iacr.org/2014/976 snarks are advancing, along with many other ideas... We are not for limiting ourselves, but for bettering our [collective] future You can see the foundation that they have built and its obvious the direction they are heading in. If you read the second zerocash whitepaper that includes SNARKS, possibly this is the direction they are thinking. From my understanding SNARKS are still advancing, and there are some obstacles before they will be fully out and trustless. I know you smooth will just call this vaporware. But they have built the foundation for all to see. It looks like they are indeed hitting the benchmarks needed to accomplish the stated goal. |
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dev for SDC.
Enough said, and I'm sure you agree.I won't be giving my masternode logs to him.
Everyone has a price right? Where did I read that? @smooth Pls clarify what you mean. (I made it large and bold. see above. ty.) SDC people run all over these forums pumping their shit. Its the most blatantly overpromoted coin on this entire forum, and furthermore there are constantly ignorant technical comments made by them about how it is like zerocoin because it has minting, isn't copied from cryptonote, zero-knowledge anonymity, etc. (all false). It's annoying as all fuck, and its not even done by third party trolls trying to create a backlash the way a lot of the Monero faux-shilling has been. It's actual SDC supporters spamming everywhere. I am Monero core team. If you think I'm biased, ignorant or a pumper, ignore my posts please. FUD alert. Opinion not FUD FUD = fear, uncertainty, and doubt. My post promoted none of those, it described what I have seen about your group's behavior. It didn't even say anything about about the coin per se, just about the idiots who post about it. Well you are saying the minting is nothing at all like zerocoin when it is obvious there are some similarities to anyone who reads the white papers. This is why zerocoin is cited in the shadowcash whitepaper when it talks about minting. You are saying SDC is a complete copy of cryptonote, when there are many differences, which we all know. Shadow uses anonymous tokens and is on a bitcoin blockchain for one. So therefore it is FUD. Also shadow uses anonymous tokens and not direct anonymous outputs for a reason. Its because there is a plan in the future to probably implement zkSNARKS, I am guessing similar to the zerocash whitepaper. Also Shadow is not just a cryptonote clone like Monero, its a unique system that the devs put time in to build, instead of copying and pasting. |
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