GJ Jays86 Avalon 4!  

Start the roll on Kano.is and pop some more  

Nice Fat block: 25.83392030

Is the price the same as the OP? 950 USD?
I assume freight is on top of that if someone wanted the unit shipped rather than hosted?

...sorry, I had NO idea... ...wait, who is that? Excuse my lack of knowledge, but what are his qualifications?

The breakdance guy?

Let's just go ahead and label this as a scam, please.
Here we go on another one.
A 15 page thread in 3 days.


Q: WTF is "a moneyback" ?
A: An obvious second language

Sent PM

I think everyone will want a pic with name, etc along with PSU specifications.

Sorry to hear you are having a rough time but I am interested, and I am not a lowballer.

Please respond to PM and maybe we can work something out sans PSU, or maybe with but I would really like to see the price difference.

GL!

I choose not to respond to your bait tactics except to say, I hope you enjoy learning what it is like to sit in court as if you keep your mouth shut for a change you may actually learn something about life.



Do you have a resource for this or is it speculation? I am sincerely curious as I do not understand why they would not have a miner in hand. It is obvious they have the talent, either have or can get the money, and anything else needed.

-0.2 = sloopy


if I made it in time
I haven't checked any websites so I am probably way off anyway heh.


Edit 1:
After I posted I checked bitcoinwisdom:
Estimated Next Difficulty:   157,421,265,139 (-3.71%)
Adjust time:   After 818 Blocks, About 6.0 days

Thanks Phil. In my opinion your comments carry significant weight because of the "playing" you do.

I know I have learned many things following your threads, and have actually just ordered some things from Amazon using a couple of your links in the 4k b/o board review thread you put up not to long ago: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1284563.0
There are a ton of "reviewers" who could learn a thing or two from your style of what I like to call Guerrilla-review. I say that because you get it on, good, bad, pretty, or ugly, it is factual, and you find ways, parts, or whatever it takes to put a real life beating on products. AND you always keep in mind that many people do not understand (for example) 240v power, and you explain it to them in terms they get, or atleast they can do it safely even if they can't understand the why, or maybe they cannot run out and spend another huge amount of dollars to make something function the way it should have originally, or a little quieter for the home miner. Not to mention the recent Solar thread. Man my brain is in overdrive with that project. I re-read it again today: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1369207.0

The Long game is exactly what I hope newer miners are seeing when evaluating which pool to use, and I believe you explaining such to people will reach many more miners than my walls of text ever will, and what many miners probably don't know is that you have used your own coin running hardcore numbers at if not every pool, then almost every one of them. I know it has certainly been the ones worth discussing because I have read your posts for a long time and think I have a good feel for when you have put real time crunching the numbers that matter to a miner.

As you stated we have a fantastic basis to evaluate for past performance, and while no one can control the variable of lady luck, I'm happy to see you and I on the same page regarding every variable that can be touched has been caressed correctly.

Another data point many people do not see are how full our blocks are relative to the SPV pools, or other pools in general Block for Block. We need those transaction fees and people spending coin deserve to have their transactions confirmed quickly. The example for those "big" pools is set right here, every day. I'm not even talking about about block size, regardless of the size, these two pools show everyone you can propagate blocks which are packed with transactions, and my understanding of Satoshi's white paper is that transaction fees are to incentive us to process user's transactions. It isn't being done better anywhere else while maintaining this performance. Five years from now it will be an even larger data point. (I am not talking political choices here so no one please start up about 1mb versus whatever size blocks, or LN, SW, etc I am talking basic fundamentals and performance related items.)
 
The data points stack up quickly if people can be open-minded and understand the variables which not only impact the amount they earn today, the support, the code review and refinement, but even the political variables which will impact bitcoin.

The true leaders of bitcoin mining are not and never will be the "people" using every opportunity to squeeze another satoshi out of every person trying to be involved in this amazing time in history, those companies who are really taking advantage of us miners just trying to stay even or make enough to stay ahead of the curve so we can afford a few pieces of next gen gear, for me, the True Leaders of bitcoin mining are the ones here doing and showing how miners can make what they have better, enhance their recent purchase, make good purchasing decisions, create better mining environments, helping people understand which item is best for their situation, and providing a legitimate, fair, superior place to mine.
  

Fixed that for you gnu123

Suggestion is a powerful tool, and in my opinion in bitcoin pool mining suggesting something even might be wrong here is not ever a good thing. You or others may think I am over reacting, but please do not take the tone of my message in that manner. Consider the fact there could be someone just starting out trying to figure out where to point their first miner, maybe an S3 they picked up from a friend and they know absolutely nothing about the pool landscape. Even the mental suggestion sitting in someone's mind can put someone off.

I am confident you meant nothing of the sort by the comment, but I have a minute to discuss this and wanted to do so. The thing that really over-torques my nips is when I see someone complain about luck, the length of time they wait for a payout, or the amount of the payout without making sure they comprehend how PPLNS functions.
As I said gnu, I am sure you meant none of these things, but it is a good time to get it off my chest for the ones who have done these things over the past couple of months.

Some people here, and I hope it is most of us, realize how smooth things are run, and how fortunate we are to have been given the opportunity to mine with a couple of the most meticulous coders. I'm not blowing smoke here, and I have said this before, even though I may not agree with every political or moral judgement Kano and CK support, I respect their abilities to not only vocalize their opinions, but cite facts where appropriate, and participate in a mature debate. It only disintegrates to immature levels when the opposing party has either presented an argument without any basis in reality, or spouts something without a shred of factual information when it is needed to backup their statement.

Yeah, they have been around long enough and been through enough of those that their patience runs very thin at times. For example, I don't know how CK can still explain difficulty settings, e.g. vardiff / userdiff, or how PPLNS works in such detail without having a brain hemorrhage and one of my first days mining here CK told me to just "leave it alone." The best thing is to "leave it alone," and I pushed more, and again he told me to "leave it alone" when I was seeking an explanation which had already been provided to me by him, and spending way too much time discussing it. I didn't get butthurt that day, but I did think for a minute that CK may have a bit of an issue. Man was I wrong. Even though I had researched and still didn't quite get it, I hadn't done enough, and should have kept looking, but, the simple fact is, I should have simply left it alone, and now the only time I have ever touched my difficulty setting is with rentals, and that isn't because of the pool vardiff, that is because of the rental site's inadequate code.  

In my opinion if anyone feels a need to question anything regarding kano.is or cksolo it should be addressed via PM with the correct person. There is never a reason to mention or even question the pool publicly. I am a very passionate person regarding bitcoin and I spend many hours per week contemplating things most would say are trivial, I post regarding things I feel are having a huge impact on our scene and I take it extremely personal if I think someone is being taken advantage of, especially a new miner. To me, someone doesn't have to be a scammer to be a lowlife, they can make mistakes which cost a new miner coin and I do not have a great opinion of them, especially if they are experienced, but, sometimes I have to make myself take a step back and think about the fact that I may be a little spoiled regarding where we are mining and cksolo.

Take a gander at what is going on in our community. Almost every single pool other than these two have significant issues. Most of the people mining here today came from a few of those pools where they were not appreciated, where they received zip for communication, and the pool software being used is a hodgepodge of hacks and many things taken from people who put just enough into it to get something up a couple or more years ago and have only patched something in if there is a serious issue. Or, they started bringing merge mining in and don't realize how crucial that time can be, especially today! I am not mentioning this to even consider having a debate regarding merge mining, I mention it because how easy would it be for these guys to MM a couple of coins and keep that for themselves, or kick back and not work to improve where we are now, not put as much effort towards shaving off milliseconds to help propagation times, or the potential to perform other more nefarious things? It is obviously not something that exists here, for one obviously these guys simply are not built that way.

gnu123 I hope it is obvious I did not mean to pick at you regarding these items, it was simply an opportunity of my time, and a small example of one thing which speaks to volumes of others regarding how we as poolmates need to treat this thread, this pool, each other, and the pool creators like what they have become for many of us which is a kind of family, and our home. Be proud to be here, and never approach any situation publicly where someone can take a statement to mean the family may have done something, but all of us should look at our own situation first and ask for an evaluation to help figure out or have something explained to us.

I want almost every miner to ask themselves why they are not mining with us. It is a good question for anyone who isn't, and the only logical answers are they are not educated enough to have previously made such a choice, they are so ignorant they have not understood what has been explained to them, they are so hard-headed and stubborn they choose to mine somewhere else out of spite (which only hurts them), or they are not wanted here.  

I do not have a doubt we will be 10% of the network whether it happens next month or next year and unless something changes where it makes logical sense to be more than 10% Kano has said that will be the maximum size, and I can guarantee it would never be about money to him or CK by "logical sense" I mean if the act of limiting the size would harm the ecosystem, the alternative would be worse for bitcoin and miners in general. I look forward to that day because I know there will be even more great people enjoying and supporting what bitcoin mining is about.

I ABSOLUTELY DESPISE censorship, and I want people to always know I will fight for you to speak your mind even if I do not agree with you. I have seen too much censorship on this forum, abuse is rampant in the ways people manipulate so many aspects of this place, but it is still the bitcointalk forum where the good far outweighs the bad because of people like you. People like CK, Kano, Phil, sidehack, and so many others, people mining here today! What I am trying to say is I think everyone should think a bit more about saying anything regarding the time spent waiting on a block, bad luck, insinuating the pool has a problem, or posting anything negative because of the possible ramifications it could have on every gigahash it takes to get to 10% and the fact it is through our own upgrades we grow, but even more it is going to be through new people mining here that we hit that magic number and hold it consistently. We have a collective voice much larger than our individual comments to the point it begins to appear petty unless you can see how one small comment can impact someone who hasn't understood how things work.  

I still see several of the miners who were here when I came on board as this pool size of a little over 1 PH, dropping under that even, and some days being 1.5 PH taught me a tremendous amount about the needed patience in certain aspects and understanding pool scale and payouts. I have absolutely zero concerns regarding my payout amounts because I know these guys are looking hard to find an issue, and they are doing it constantly. I know this is money and everyone likes to count it, and make sure it is right on the nose, and some people as OCD as me like to do it for fun. There is nothing wrong with that at all, as a matter of fact that is a good thing and people should do it, we learn immense amounts understanding why our payout is the amount it is. Asking questions is fantastic and the absolutely best thing to do if you have looked for your answer and cannot quite put your finger on what you want to know. Keep in mind there are so many aspects in this scene to learn that sometimes you need to kick back on an area you have gotten a great handle on and look at areas you may not know yet. Learning how to manually send a transaction, having a backup internet source, making sure you know what to do if a government or entity did attack bitcoin what you can do to help and keep things going, or browsing the nub forum and help someone who just got that first stickminer from ebay who may or may not turn out to be the next miner with a 167 miners in his garage haha. (Speaking of an immense amount of home mining has anyone heard from DMWardJR lately? PM me please.)

But seriously I hope my comments are taken positively, no one thinks I am being a condescending asshole, kissing up to kano or ck, picking at gnu123, or preaching over nothing. I simply wanted to take a few moments to say I don't think most of us realize what we are doing right now is much bigger than us. We are involved in a better situation than anyone mining anywhere other than these two pools, and we are growing at a reasonable rate, bringing more good people into the fold, and having a fucking-fantastic time doing it! That is where we are, and where we are going will be even better. Sure there will be bumps in the road for us, but less than most others, if not all. I want to see all of us reach a level where we have a real voice with our collective hashpower in the ecosystem while we are making more $/GH in comparable situations than anyone mining anywhere, I want us doing that at 10% of the network, and most importantly I plan to do those things with you good people.

Good Luck to the renter!
I hope you slam some home runs, so make the coin worth it and go for it.

Edit 1: BOOM there is a block by Thedreamer! While I was typing the above good luck post heh

Have a look here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1284894.0

I recommend Kano.is
Fantastic pool well over 100% luck average since inception

Guy

I am confident you already have plenty of ammunition for the suit, but I have done plenty of following and documenting of Adam's business "practices" and know others who have the same information if not more who would enjoy seeing Mrs. Allcock get what she deserves for polluting this community and how it specifically relates to a case of representing different companies while involved in less than honorable business practices even today.
I have only been around a little over a year, but others have been here for much longer.
Please let us know if assistance is needed with anything.

On another note, I have always voted for Spondoolies equipment and would enjoy seeing some news on miners. Is there any way we can see an Easter egg hint dropped soon?

Three Block club on Kano.Is
It looks like good company to keep
Luck is an odd thing, but I like the way it works here

Thanks for the pool, and thanks for the great poolmates.

I do not understand why anyone would ever mine anywhere else unless they were going to rent and go for a solo run at CK's house.

I do not think the powers which control bitcoin want the things you listed and it is a problem with bitcoin today. The ongoing block arguments have taken so much of the great mind's time for whatever reasons.

Mass Adoption
Decentralization
fair wealth distribution

Consider this, a new form of pow will never be dropped in a day with the mainstream media reporting to everyone run to your pc now, download makebitcoin.exe and by some unique ID everyone has a fair shot to accumulate coin. If that was possible you would gain mass adoption and decentralization. Granted there are many caveats, but it would be there in a much larger way than it has been. Giving everyone who knows the term bitcoin today an opportunity to become a level playing field would grant those things, along with other issues, but I think most would agree those are the priorities, along with a safe and secure client.

Bitcoin is already controlled by whales pushing price, china controlling the mining, and like it or not core controlling the code.

How long before the same people who control those aspects now would control those same aspects again after such an event?
Would the Joe sixpacks immediately sell their coins for the low prices bitcoin would see for a year, two, or more before recovering from such an event? It would recover, the price always recovers. The concept is too hardened not to recover.

Low income people will only ever be able to take advantage of low fees, but poor people cannot trade bitcoin, hell most people cannot trade bitcoin and make money. It is a collective who move the markets.

True fair wealth distribution will not happen, but man it would certainly provide a window to the status quo. Would it make the world a better place? I think it would for many people on a small scale, for a while, but not the end game, not the next 200 years.

I do wish the bitcoin elite could see that the inequalities of the haves versus the have nots are not always due to work ethic, or in simpler terms, people that are not just as intelligent and morally sound. There are many people who would do great things with an equal opportunity to do so, and more people doing great things is much better than more bitcoin being taken from more people and dropped int he hands of few, or the people who were lucky enough to learn about the project in 2010 - 2012.

I do not agree with a pure socialistic outlook, and I do not agree with handouts. I think everyone should earn what they have, but I also believe at some point in the far distant future we will learn to see what people can achieve with education moving forward at 14 or 40. The people who have and care will learn that it isn't always about someone's past actions, or money they inherited, but future actions and potential they possess which will open the floodgates. It is the future where bitcoin will become what I think most people want, not the people who already have and simply want more.

Do not get me wrong. I know there have been years of work put in by many people and I would never insinuate those people do not deserve their rewards, but in a system where it is easy enough to recognize people have plenty shouldn't we consider what paying it forward in bitcoin would be like?

Imagine taking someone who knows nothing about cryptography but years of experience in another field and the drive that equals your peers and teaching them. Maybe some other areas suffer for a while as this base of people is being built and unleashed. A true global core of deserving people being taught by pioneers rather than a group of investors, programmers, and people who were lucky continuing to push one or three agendas.

That would be yet another defining characteristic which could change the world for the better and I think could be the best to come of all. Teaching the bitcoin universe to fish. It doesn't take long to weed out the lazy, greedy, people who are only in it for themselves.

Unfortunately, then bitcoin elite wouldn't be so elite, so obviously, they will not allow such to happen.
The largest pools bitmain, f2pool, etc will continue to make more money than they could ever need, the programmers will continue to talk down their nose to struggling students, and the whales along with the corporations will continue to manipulate the markets.

If someone wanted to make a real change with bitcoin they would have to create a plan to move beyond the school yard antics, high school bullying, and using Daddy's money to make more money, they would have to look at what it would take to actually provide skills and opportunities real people can see as a possibility today, tomorrow, and that would be the goal going forward. Not giving money to people, giving opportunity.

Bitcoin cannot be destroyed. It can be made better or worse, but it will not be stopped. What choices can you make to bring more people in who care about it having a bigger impact on the world?

 

This thread is Gold and should there be a scammers expose on the threads which exposed the most about scams this would be the winner by a landslide.

I could not be more pleased to see all of the facts that were in the released documents analysed and re-posted bit by bit. I read them all the day they were posted here, grabbing shit left and right, but the way they have been presented in this thread makes them much more tolerable.

I cannot wait until I read that Homero, Carlos, and every other asshole at GAW and ZENcloud get what is coming, but even if it ends up just being ol Joshy getting put away for a bit, the shitstorm he must be feeling now is a form of punishment. He must have a hard time sleeping unless he is eating a handful of ambien every night and I sure hope he is so he wakes up felling like shit every day.

The only ones I feel bad for are the kids who are involved, and I mean the real young toddlers. I do hope that family realizes the mental shit those little ones will be reading about the Garzas for the rest of their lives.

Of course with influences like Joshy and Carlos they could turn up the same shitty way.

I don't think it is a bad thing to wish people like Carlos and Homero get hit by a truck except it is over too fast. I really want to see them rot in a dark cell. I have no delusions that they will not get more than 18 - 24 months in some cushy place, but it will still be locked up, and they will still be making the kind of friends they deserve.

It is too bad they aren't locked up now. Our government will lock up someone for the rest of their lives for a little weed, but when it comes to stealing millions it is a few months.

Still, I know we will see him be destroyed financially, and he will have scars from this entire experience one day. I also hope he didn't get enough cash hid so he can live well. I want to see him suffer in any way possible.

Life isn't fair, but sometimes there is a bit of real justice and when we find out where he does his short amount of time I hope some people make some very good friends who are serving with him.

Price and picture?

In my opinion, negative trust ratings should be evaluated and researched if you are going to choose to use them to base your belief in what someone states. Trust ratings are gamed by too many people on this forum. Pekatete was unfairly targeted by dogie to get the ones from dogie. Dogie is looked down on by the real forum members with the titles of Legendary or Hero who have brains. They simply avoid the public arguments because they became bored, or realized he is an immature child.
Excuse my off-topic post there, but it bothers me to see people try to promote trust ratings as a valid measurement for someones honesty or sincerity when they are constantly abused. In summary, trust ratings, titles of hero or legendary, or any other quick gauge of someone posting here is not accurate at all. The only thing it can be is a data point to be used in evaluating someone. IT is the content of their posts and actions over a long period of time that you should consider. If their posts never reference facts, and are basic reposts where they take the same thing they previously stated and rehash it then the agenda should be obvious.

On topic though, when I initially came to this forum I believed Pekatete had somewhat of a handle on what he was doing. Unfortunately after doing more research and spending time reading every word he has posted within the last year it is obvious he does not have a real understanding of mining, equipment, mining politics, or basic common sense. He lives in a world of his own making, and even the people he defends have privately wished he did not. The usual story I hear from those people is that his statements are based on nothing. He picks one or two things and bases an entire statement on those items rather than considering an entire list of facts. You cannot make an unbiased comment when you start with an imagined reality. The reason this is on topic is because of how he pops in now and argues with anyone saying anything negative about slush using the same tired tirade discussing a few days of luck. If luck is the basis lets talk about the luck I have been fortunate to participate in for the past year at 103%+.
Luck is not the end-all gauge of a pool's success, but Pekatete will take exception to how luck is calculated without any facts. I challenge anyone to find a fact his comments are based on before CK splits out the comments again.

I hope Slush has gotten things worked out, and I don't think he intentionally stole anything. I do not have facts to say things are working correctly. Mining is not short term for most, and it will take a few months to make a case one way or the other based on an accumulation of statistics. People mining at Slush reading this forum have heard the same things stated many times so continuing to make requests which will never be satisfied is wasting your time. I learned this all to well from F2pool. That doesn't mean there are not ways to inform people and make sure newer miners are educated regarding risks. PMs are extremely valuable and there are other threads where these people can become informed without the silly antics of Pekatete constantly using his factless bashing of kano.is when to anyone with any time here can see it is pure jealousy which drives him.

I have zero intention of mining at slush again and like most I like the layout of the website and several other things about the pool. I simply hated the payout amounts and the lack of a forum presence. I do not like facebook and having to post there to see what is happening or communicate is not my idea of a well ran pool.

Regarding the fact that slush created the stratum protocol I think is a fantastic landmark, but it is not a defining personality trait and does not mean that this pool is the best in any way. It is a ridiculous argument to make. IT is another data point to use when making your own judgment regarding where to mine. Not something to base the decision on. I think the best things to use are how do you get support, how successful has the pool been over a long period of time, and does the pool management's mining philosophy neutral or agreeable with  your own.

To me, even higher payouts should not trump your decision to support a pool which is making bitcoin related political decisions which are totally against your own beliefs. Transparency regarding those beliefs, such as supporting XT, Classic, or not, etc is huge if you care about bitcoin. If you are here to make a buck regardless of what the pool where you mine supports you are making short-sighted decisions. Speak with yourhashrate be it gigahash or petahash and support the pool based on that first and then bring the payments in at some point. Supposedly it all evens out over the long term. I suppose that depends on when and where you start and stop mining.

A 40 PH pool is nothing to sneeze at and for so many people it means everything, but I'd go back to the 1 PH sized kano.is any day because of my personal experience and how I rank pools. My way of ranking isn't going to be the same as everyone elses. My ability to accept variance is not the same either. I am happy we have these choices available. What is important is that you actually consider important attributes based on facts. If you listen to what someone is telling you, are their comments based on facts or just the same ol' ramblings?

If in doubt, you can always split hash across pools and compare for yourself but again, do not simply compare payouts for a week, compare a variety of things from support, presence, the things the pool management support, how quickly you receive assistance, what they do for the community over a long period of time, and payouts.
Some pool operators are way out of touch with the small miners and some have never even been on a social level with us.

The miners are a part of the pool, if it is a good pool. If miners are ignored then the pool management has gotten involved in more important things, at least more important as far as they are concerned.

IF Slush knows of a particular retail miner running a release version of firmware which is causing block with-holding then yes he damn sure should be letting everyone know. If it was custom firmware by one miner then as long as the pool Ops know I am good with that because I trust my pool Op to address it.

As a newB it is really a requirement and not as much a tradition for ya bud. You must have a piece of paper with the date, your nick, and the product(s).
I am interested, but I'd really need to see some better proof you have this stuff in hand and it is real leather.
I have a fixation for leather coats and jackets for my 40+ years of living and def know my leather. 80 bucks for the real deal would be fantastic, and actually make me think it is stolen if real heh.

I look forward to seeing more things to show us this is legitimate.

Yes, this is EXACTLY what most do to optimize in a variety of ways, including their current situation, but arguing with a mutt just drags you to lay in the floor, get fleas, and who knows what diseases.
There are still places buying S3s for decent prices in bulk.

Yeah, I gotta say, I am a longtime lurker of the anything "For Sale" in any section of the board. I always try to stay up, but I get behind on the latest price sometimes, or maybe I have a particular piece that is more valuable, in my opinion, ya know?
I don't want to get blasted.

...I do want someone to tell me if I am way out of line in my pricing or I am forgetting to put the picture with forum name, my handle, date, blood type, and I appreciate it, if it is polite all the better (but some people haven't learned how yet), and if someone has said "hey, your crap costs too much, every store brand x has it for 1 fitty less, let it be. We don't need to rub someone's face in it, do we?

I think most people are trying to be helpful. The regular good people who live the life are usually not the same people just trying to lowball someone.
We / They like the fact this forum is so much better than fleabay and ditchme-before-i-have-to-read-another-imaloser-ad on Greg's digest of the drain. It is like having to wade through what was filtered out with a colander.

So, yeah, this is a good buy-sell-trade, but you have to be careful of the scammers. If the coin leaveth you, it is on you, and no one else. You cannot cry unless it was a huge megascam like some Asic makers. Something like that, yeah, but use escrow here. OGNasty and I know there are plenty of people here 24-7. There are Pros at work on both sides, and kiddie's trying to sneak your wallet with a bump too so pay attention to your wallet, don't let the eyes glaze over. Do your money before you blaze up and all that good stuff but

Can we give people a break if they list something too high for the other people's taste or even if it is outrageous. One reply from a decent forum member stating such will make the point. Anything else is a bump.
The market will set the price is a big difference from someone getting ripped off.
I'm saying there are good people just trying to sell their crap, maybe this guy is, I know I am, and I may want to sell some crap soon.

Peace and be safe,

No I am not a hippy. I am a wolf, like the wolf of wallstreet except without the money, hookers, blow, planes, cars, houses, wives, legal or liver problems. I do have all the drive just as I know so many people here do. We are all in good company most of the time.

To the OP, you may have to make some deals, good luck. Do the best you can and escrow can make things happen quickly.