Add another vote for Kano.is
No one can touch the support and luck

Simple really, PPS pools are taking a cut off the top. If they do not, they close down.
PPLNS only makes money when you make money.

No matter where you go, stay there for at least a month or two so you get somewhat of a good feel for what to expect.

I think this kind of project is fantastic and there is no doubt some of the world's next best things may come out of someone's heated bathroom floor, or you name it.
I am getting into Solar and now I am starting to see how people do it with a long payback. You start with small amounts and use it for everything which makes sense in your domicile, or wherever. It isn't for everyone, just as many of these situations are not going to be, but for the people who are something like heated bathroom floors or heated floors in general are great for miners.

Figure out how to make them heat and cool, along with a temperature control system which almost any homeowner can integrate to their own central heat and air system. Why not start at the bathroom floor?

Good stuff man, keep it coming.

If you have a way to measure the power going to the miner, under load at the PCIe connector is preferred, you may find the issue there.
You may also try connecting only one hash board.
The Bitmain zendesk has some videos which will walk you through many different things.

https://bitmain.zendesk.com/hc/en-us

I would enjoy hearing feedback regarding your experience. Please let us know and I am happy to work with you on this so we share the cause.

Every two seconds is much faster than a bit of mine, but I see similar activity. I get concerned because so many people have burned hash boards when the temps hit 80. It seemed BCT was on a rush there for a while we had someone new posting almost every day. Their internet connection would drop out for whatever reason, many said the fans stop and the hash boards keep running. Many people who aren't concerned about fan noise or other minor side effects cut the blue wire so the fans always run. No feedback and they run at full speed. I am assuming it is feedback, I have not looked recently, but it is the blue wire on the stock S5 fan if you need to look at such.

I haven't determined the internet is my issue, but somewhere around 8, 12, 24 hour ranges I lose anywhere from 3TH to 7 or 8 TH. I am using the pool's worker stats page where the shift graph is located to see how much it drops and over what period.
I installed wireshark to record and monitor internet packets through a problem time frame. I am familiarizing myself with normal traffic and I plan to record traffic to catch a problem time and see what if anything I can find.
My meter will record, but I have to be here to see anything, and activate it for that matter. I have randomly been checking my power and it looks great (except for one other issue I have with the power, but when my other issue occurs I lose a leg of my 240 split phase, so separate issues.) I measure 124 to each leg and 248 between both. Subpanel is not bonded, but the main is. I am only using about 70 amps of a 200 amp panel. I drove a couple of ground rods and have them in series measuring about 6 ohms. I tried shaking and pulling on everything to see if I can make something fail / short.

I tried moving pools for a while, and saw it on the other pool. At that pool the effect was much more noticeable. The way the payout system works it is obvious when you stop getting paid. I was lucky enough to have these dips in my hash to (two pools now)   are costing me coin.

I won't bore you with any or all of the things I have been through and checked, but I should have started checking packets sooner or get something running to record.

This seems to happen and I am not aware of it. I have these inconsistent dips in hash for small amounts of time, but obviously just small enough for the pools to still log it.

The only thing I have seen is while killing my keyboard as usual a week or so ago an S4 decided to rev the fans and "sound like" it had joined a new pool, or something along that time frame. The display still read as though it was hashing. I refreshed my miner monitor and it kind of hung for maybe 3 seconds and then refreshed and it was winding back up pool side.
More like a "blip in the power" than the internet. I could see my cable modem as well, and all green lights, definitely not rebooting.

 I do not think this is an S5 issue as much as I think it is power, internet, or both. Your description had me thinking about this particular oddity I am experiencing which happens to involve both Bitmain and SPtech miners of different models. I don't think it is "the miners" themselves, although it could be one of the miners pulling the load down.

If anyone has any thoughts feel free to throw them my way.
I am going to bury my head in packets for a while. I'm not excited about that part but it is all part of it, right?

Umm, way too much paste, and to the gentleman stating the gap is bigger than a standard PC, yes you are correct on some, but others make just as good of contact. You should apply the appropriate amount to each area.
Easy enough to check with carbon / transfer paper. You can make yourself "test shims" and shim each chip until your transfer touches. I never had to stack many shims at all in any of the S3, S3+, S4, or S5 systems I have.

Too much paste acts as a heat insulator rather than heat transfer and you end up losing any potential gains, or making it worse. To know if your repaste job helped or hurt your system you need to take temps using a temp gun, or other measuring device before and after completing the work making sure everything is the same in both cases. On the S5 for example you aren't getting temperatures from the chip on the Antminer display, and those temperatures have more to do with ambient air being moved past the chips and heatsink than the chip itself.
Of course you need to check again after a couple of days when it has really "set up" / "burned in"

Remove the sides, make a graph representing the miner broken down X amount of times in small squares, check the temp in each square and report it. Do your repaste job and repeat the same test. Then give it the normally recommended 48 hours to sit up and take your readings again.
In my opinion and experience if there is so much paste on the chip that when you put the heatsink against it the paste is pushed out and covers a ring around the outside of the chip you have went way too far and should cleanup, then start over.

You certainly are not helping the situation by insulating the heat in, and most threads like this aren't measuring properly.

I hope that helps someone with something but even with Asics when discussing thermal paste, less is more. Don't make a blanket of paste to cover the chip, make a bridge for the heat to travel across.

One tiny dot on most chips are fine, and some you may need a small amount more. Try the transfer paper. It does not add much time to an already tiring procedure and why not be accurate when performing a task such as this?

As the other gentleman stated, about the size of half a grain of rice. You can add more if it is really needed, but remember, more can harm the very thing you are attempting to correct and is the most common cause for a lack of better temps. With every other variable equal try one hash board the way you did it and the other the way many of us are saying, and show everyone what you find?

That sounds like a good project to add to the list.  

 

I am still hoping Guy will slip some pics and numbers to us from a warehouse full of SP50s.

I do not believe Dogie has the beef he states he does. I think he has exaggerated the situation and if anything probably took advantage of Spondoolies. Dogie has defended bitmain when bitmain is wrong so many times it has become a blatant obvious trolling type of situation. But, hey, whatever he thinks he needs to do to get demo equipment. Although, I would think how bad it must suck to know your livelihood depends on how much you sell your soul to mash the truth like mashed potatoes.
I also put dogie on ignore. I did such about a week ago. It is really the only way to fly. I wish I'd done such so long ago. I also retract anything nice I may have ever said because the continuing waffle, the continuing to give people bad advice, and in general bad knowledge the crap hound passes around had gotten to be a bit too much for me to "manually" ignore. This is a much better forum experience.

I have not received any shipment information from bitmain except the same 9-28 ship date many of us received.

This is the delivery NFO from my UPS MyChoice account

Who did Guy pay for this?

Count me in Phil.

Yes she does, that dirty girl.

What is the tilde ` for on the blocks page?

Well, if you guys want, maybe we could pool some rentals sometime.
I'm sure we could figure out a person to hold the money, if not one of us 3 maybe buzz OGNasty. He might be interested.

If you don't mind that I ask...
What are each of your strategies?

Deposit X amount of BTC and use unlimited speed until the coin is depleted?
Deposit X amount of BTC and use speed ranging from 100TH - 500TH - 1000 or more, les, etc until the coin is depleted?
Deposit X amount of BTC and use low speed say in the range of 10TH until the coin is depleted?

I believe the last post I saw someone mentioned 200 TH was used a few times?

Appreciate any information you care to share.

I hear ya fellas, and you are right, this month has not been one of our best, but you know how it happens, boom, and then boom, boom, boom and we are waiting on juicy confirmations for a day and a half.

We are seeing the variance, but we will see it swing back around, it always does.

We don't mine at the best non-solo pool, using the best pool software, given advice by the best non-solo pool Operator because we haven't seen the stacks. You and I have seen those stacks rolling in and the proof is in the stats for last x blocks.

Keep an eye out for that first BOOM after this block checks out soon. 

Personally, I haven't properly considered the number of members. I assume there must be a cap, but I haven't considered the Pros and Cons for the community as it relates to the number. I was pretty lazy regarding the whole thing. I have said immense praise and thanks to our man Phil who is doing more than a fair bit of moving names, numbers, and keep people informed, thanks again bud. I literally setup my sticks to hash on the stick pool and have been playing with one of them seeing how high I can push it (375 was stable. Voltage max and Y cable in a hub which puts out high amperage), but in general I have been lazy about the pool. I should be more involved though, and I've always enjoyed your banter with sidehack and would appreciate your thoughts.

I did see some ideas thrown around in the other thread and since I have not put a fair amount of thought into the direction the pool should take, bare with me as I struggle through something with you.

I am going to leave the member cap alone for now, but will circle back around.

The concept is fantastic. Requiring one particular model of miner and allowing a separate worker with 'other' hash covers the best of both worlds. You have the mainstay of the compac which should and has been dominating the posts in the thread. Sharing information with Peers who may have much more experience, or sharing what you know and maybe help someone. I think it may even be something which inspires more interaction between specific people who are even more like-minded regarding other topics.
I participated in the groups of sorts. I'm sure you have seen folding @ home or the SETI project. Some fantastic groups of people can choose to have their own team so to speak and it may cause situations where it inspires some great values and interaction.

It may inspire a little healthy competition as well. Which is again great for a group. I'm not saying we are there yet, but maybe.

I think any mining machine can take advantage of the same system. For example, start a group of S3s solo mining, or make it an SP20 club and reward for best underclock. Make it somewhere you know a group of people who not only own the same miner, you can try out things and have people who are definitely interested be involved, make replies, share great information, and it gets better over time, but quickly.

Circling back around as I promised to do...
It obviously cannot be 500 people in 1 single group, but that doesn't mean that if there is a large interest of people who want to be in, that something couldn't be worked out. I think Phil is trying to be reasonable yet still keep it at a decent wow amount IF the pool hits.
There could always be second or third groups and that would invite some competition that way, and a little trash talk with the comradery.

I look forward to hearing yours and almost anyone else's opinion of how you grow the size but maintain the scale at something which could grow to be 90% socially dependant. i would also appreciate comments on the donation of additional hash which is not a compac, or GekkoScience product in many cases. Obviously that would consist of additional compac's at this point, but maybe ol' type zero may come around.

The possibilities and positive things which may grow could be great and I look forward to being more involved where possible.

Hey notlist3d

Check out the kano.is site, and at the top right there is a help button and when you hover over it the Payouts button pops out, click there.
It has an excellent description of PPLNS, 5ND.
It is extremely informative by sharing several details but also simple enough people get it. I'm sure in all your mining time you have seen some unique payment systems, and understanding some, well, many great people don't have the patience or some don't have the know how to run it on a calculator, and no offense, don't ask my help for Calc when I have a headche either haha.My daughter loves to help though. We practiced on miner ROI. She had more fun than I did looking at the numbers. :/ badump bump.

Anyway, check that out if you feel like it and if you want to run through it PM or chat sometime I'd be happy to. Kano made it easy to run through when you've done it a bit.
The same goes for anyone else. I am not a mathematical wizard by any means, and I see people here everyday who can probably do a better job on the math, but I can do well enough  

Also, I wanted to pickup a Pi, or something Pi like. I don't mind spending a few more dollars for something which has a tiny bit better hardware, but I also understand you can get into spending some bucks quick when you put a display, etc on them.
Do you or anyone have any advice on which Pi, with all the fixins, or another device which can run anything setup to be run for a Pi, minera and such. I have a couple of other projects I want to learn with one or something like one, I especially like some of the remote monitoring applications and the flexibility of different add on hardware / peripherals.

Gekkoscience compac sticks gave me an even worse bug and the only cure is a stinker. After playing with these sticks for two weeks all I want to do is be a tweaker.

Edited to comment further regarding the 5ND PPLNS
I wanted to give you a short version on payout expectations.
The first payouts are small. I know you said you had sticks here, and what you will see is all of your shares accounted for, and you begin slowly rolling in as far as payouts go BUT the way it normally goes once you are charged up / ramped up over 5ND you begin getting full payouts.
At Kano.is Go to workers then shifts and you will see your shift amount increasing up until you reach your maximum with whatever HW you have on the account.

Now the cool part, really sick surprise I am going to ruin for you. I started here pretty much early this year. I always dig whatever Kano or CK might be talking about something killer and you have seen the amazing payout runs. Well we hit a dry spell after a few months and I am reading all of this old school hopping stuff, where (and maybe you were mining then) but where it looked like it was all good to hop. It was a big thing. Many, many people were regularly hopping from pool to pool. Some had schedules like when the state of X pool reaches V, then move my miners to B pool. Same thing there, define a set of variables, wash repeat. Some payout schemes were so advantageous (and anyone feel free to correct me ) that it was as open as we are talking right now, people would go

So I thought hell lets try it with a little bit of hash. I made a huge mistake and moved a significant amount of my hash to another pool. At first I dug it. I thought the UI had a few more buttons, the statistics were everywhere and we were hitting blocks, every few hours. Then I started realizing how much of the UI I used, the blocks stopped coming in, which I was getting way less of too!
The sick-cool-wonderful thing was I was still getting payouts from Kano. Nice payouts, just about the same for the first few and then tapering off, but they never stopped.

Kano had one of the famous kano streaks and I added up how much I would have made, and I know you shouldn't hop around these days, so I waited, and then boom, another fabulous streak while my new pool payouts were in the gutter but my old kano shares were still popping for me left and right. Wash repeat one more time and I said goodbye and hello with everything back home here.

I have learned low hash is not bad, especially when we have runs like we do. A month or so back man we were at 1.6 or 1.8 and they were dropping in so badass. Low hashrate meant bigger pieces of pie, and it was bomb diggity seeing a whole bitcoin roll in over a day. Obviously my biggest payout amounts, and I appreciate how Kano runs things. Very transparent.

I know you have your sticks, but hey man if you consider even moving one miner over here to test it, I don't think you will be disappointed at all. I think you will feel like home, you just have to give the chicken gods an offering

Seriously, always feel free to hit me up, and I plan on bugging you some as well if I get a Pi soon.

I don't think anyone has gotten a batch 2 miner at all.

Most of us are talking about batch 1, which obviously only a few people have received.

Other people who keep up with this thread and take a guess, but being optimistic I would say 50 batch 1 miners have been discussed as received. I'm sure plenty went to farms, and reviewers, resellers, the people who spent much more and have some pull you know, but not us little guys. Also many people aren't going to post about it unless they have a problem. They don't mention as much if things are going well, especially if they are a busy person, but yeah, if you hear of anyone having received a batch 2 miner please let me know because that would be an even bigger slap in the face considering batch 2 and batch 3 paid much less than batch 1. Bitmain should be offering to cut batch 1 prices and maintain the 4.8x.

But I digress, and now must go look at miner porn.

Mine is marked shipped on 9-28, but there are definitely not any shipping details, and if it had shipped I would have received a text from UPS like I do every other time something ships from anywhere in the world, just like it did the last time I had something sent from bitmain.

I've also spoken with several others who haven't posted and theirs shows shipped on 9-28.

I haven't matched 9-28 to anything either. It is way too early for them to say that is the ship date. They aren't doing that, at least I cannot see it. It is too easy to prove / disprove.
I doubt they are going to start paying the PPS amount from that date forward as it would be earlier than their own ship by / 10 days considered late statement.

Maybe it is a batch thing. They are using it to group all the batch 1 sales together to keep them separate or keep the people together who they owe 4.8 units too?

Either way, bitmain really needs to hire someone who speaks english and has experience in public relations and a mining background.

I hope I hear something by the end of the week. I am going to continue trying to keep my blood pressure regulated. They must have either really put themselves in a bad predicament. I hope it was for a good reason and not something like our miners are sitting around hashing coin for them, they used our miners to fill some very large orders for farms, or in the positive thought sack they recognized the issue, worked on a solution, and are in the process of fixing it. If that were the case though, you would think some of the people who have received their miner would be receiving information regarding what their options are.

As a community people should truly band together with manufacturers. No product, no money. Unfortunately we are too splintered for that. Hell I didn't even look at batch 1 as a preorder until afterwards, and I know people will jump on the next release as well no matter how they are treated during this one.

It is pretty sad at the moment, but, I still say we will see someone meet this need. I wish I had ties with a foundry and a few hundred million in the bank. I know the first door I would be knocking on and no matter how many times sidehack told me to go away I wouldn't until he heard me out

Surely someone sees the potential, and I know we can all work to help more people see it if they haven't.
At last count I think it was said here in this thread that the account where we paid our coin to bitmain for S7 was at 500,000 USD, and by now with the other two batches up they are probably at least at 750,000.

That must be plenty of money for someone with deep pockets to be interested in working with a company to purchase chips and hiring some people with experience to design the board, etc.

We know there is a company who will sell chips to someone who will buy in bulk, but I think people looking in see the mining vendors as so difficult to work with, so many scams, hell, I couldn't blame anyone for deciding their money is much better off in setting up a chain of Chipotles, or a new chain of The Burger Palace.

If anyone else gets ship date marked later than 9-28 it would be great to know.

Good Luck people, even though luck doesn't exist, it has many meanings, and I am sincere when I say such.

He did work for bitmain and Dogie you have always presented a skewed view for bitmain. You run panting to their defense even when they apologize for many things you've said and done, but hey, keep being that faithful lapdog. I'm sure they will throw you a few treats.


BTW, what I meant when I said we haven't heard anything, is they knew well before the Holiday there were problems. You say what you want, but there are very few idiots who have been here every day keeping up with every post who will think they did not know there was a problem before they went on vacation.
The fact they knew there were problems and still not only chose to take their vacation rather than take care of customers, they didn't say anything about it which causes even more complaints when the units roll in.

A real company would have taken care of their customers, and yes, there are plenty of companies who answer the phone on thanksgiving.
Bitmain is nothing compared to comcast, nowhere near the size, the volume, nadda. Compare apples to apples, how many employees does bitmain have and how much do they care about their customers?

You can message the helpdesk and get told to email info@bitmaintech and then be ignored for a while.
They could have handled this much better and no amount of your awful analogies will change the facts.

Be a good boy and go back to working for bitmain. Wait, you don't anymore right? I bet that was one of those "mutual" breakups wasn't it?

Good boy, run along and squat to pee, but don't start fucking with me. Your missy little hall monitor ass already has half this forum hating you and you get a handful of people to run to your defense any little time someone tells you how it is, stop being a nancy puppy. If you want to start with me you haven't thought things through because I am not someone who is going to play that game with you. I don't play and I don't whine to the moderators. You start bringing me into your little nonsensical half baked bullshit ideas you express here and I will teach you how to pee standing up boy.

You were that kid no one liked in the corner weren't you? The one who didn't know what hygiene is? The one who always wanted to run that d-licker to make it sound like you know something when you really only knew enough buzzwords to string together a sentence but if it was anyone who knew about the subject they could tell you were full of shit?

Those are life decisions where common sense is involved. Have some humility if you understand what that is and think before you type. It must suck to be in whatever relationship you are trying to get with bitmain. I actually feel sorry for you in that regard. Either you just need the money that bad, or you really believe half the shit you spout. I don't know which is more sad.

Make sure you click report so you can whine about how you get picked on in school and it brings back the bad memories so mommy will make them go away.

I'm with you now, I just didn't remember it being called 277, or measuring that value, but I understand. It is my terminology mistake I'm sure, but I am with you on what you have.
If I may ask, do you have this ran to your home?

I think there are two separate things being discussed.

1. There is an issue with the S7s where they will not hash higher than 4600 ish. It has been suggested that slightly low input power may cause this. I recommend checking your input load at the psu connection at the miner. If you are handy with a meter you may have meter leads with needle points and you may get in the back side of the connector, or, if you have a single going to a Y cable connecting to the miner, measure the unused end on the Y connector. Phillip shows pictures of this in a couple of threads and he has presented this theory regarding the voltage.

2. Phillip also brought up the fact that a soft restart may help this issue, and I believe it has for one or two people with the S7. I was commenting in this thread to the other gentleman that I have seen this issue with S3s where it is pronounced. IT is usually the worst if I have a quick power outage, just long enough for the miner to know it was off for a second. on some of the S3s it literally shows 3 or 4 ghs for the main average, not the 5s average, it usually shows a normal number for the 5s. I do a soft restart and it begins working correctly. I saw some of this with my S4s, but not the literal 4 or 4 GHS on hard boot, just poor performance until I performed a soft boot. The same with some S5s. I cannot say on the S7 as I am waiting.

3. Then of course the power on the hash boards before the controller. This is an instruction bitmain began passing with the S5+ and has now continued with the S7, but unfortunately we have been unable to get any clear indication from bitmain as to why so we understand their intent. In the latest statement I read, I cannot remember if it was their website or the S7 manual, but whichever states to the effect of if using multiple power supplies power on the hash board power supply first and then the power supply for the controller. The way it is worded it It didn't seem to be an issue if you happen to be powering hash boards and controller if it happens to be on one power supply, but if it is separate power on the controler last. I am sure their engineering team have a good reason for this, but because we have experienced issues with translation along with the fact bitmain has a poor record of communication we are left to theorize and try to interpret what they mean by these things.    

I know my input power is strong to the power supplies, and to the miners, and I have no issues with #2 because I began seeing that issue with my first S3 purchases and have been soft start everything after a hard start anyway. Hell I like to be up close with my miners after I boot them. I have shortcuts setup to get me there quickly so I can look at everything. I'm a bit anal like that so it works.

I think your main point here would be to check what Phillipma mentioned regarding power at the pci connector to the miner.

Feel free to PM if I can help in any way.

If you are interested in mining then I recommend you pick up a usb stick which teaches you the best regarding asic mining which is the only way to mine bitcoin now. The only reason there would be to try and use your GPU or CPU would be to learn those specific modes, and you can have some fun in that vein. I believe you learn those same things and more, especially pertaining to the way mining devices work today, if you use a small asic device.

Personally, I use and recommend the Official GekkoScience Compac BM1384 Stickminer
You may find their thread here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1126705.0

You will see many bright individuals are involved in the overall project. You will find like minded individuals who do this out of curiosity, and more who do this for the passion incited by the marriage of economic change to a technological advance which involves hands on electrical and software based challenges.

I highly recommend against purchasing a product from any other manufacturer at this time unless it is used equipment from a vetted community member. I will also warn you against any form of cloud mining. There are and have been more scams and an alphabet of government investigations against many cloud mining operations. No matter how much someone tells you X company is safe and you see several things showing you will make a handsome profit do not believe it. I have performed my own investigations in current offerings and there is little but more of the same, or in the slight chance it is not a traditional scam or ponzi, you are still being used for your money as a loan without receiving compensation to make it anywhere close to being worth the risk. Your money is better spent in holding coin. Again, please take heed, there are not any current mining manufacturers offering a solid product except GekkoScience.

If you wish to ask any questions or discuss this further feel free to PM me, I am happy to help.

jstew, please forgive my inexperience with the term 277.
You mention 480/277. Is this three phase power or do you mean you are using a single phase of the three phase and it measures 277? I enjoy learning about anything electrical, and would appreciate understanding a bit more here.

Personally, I use split phase 240, which is simply two 120 which are "off phase" from each other. This is how most homes are wired in the US. I am familiar with three phase 480, but each leg would be carrying a load, unless we get into talking Delta or Wye it should be fairly consistent at 240, and of course we can have a hot leg situation. Maybe that is what you mean? You have a stinger reading 277?