Guys, quick question.

I did not anticipate I would need a second rig to seriously overclock and simply researched, read, etc until I found what I thought was the best I could do off the shelf for my money and it does well.
Now I need something to run my stock ones and keep them on the pool happily humming along.
Until I pick up or make another decent rig, can I run another CGminer instance on windows and run one at stock in a laptop USB port?
I understand there are several variables, but assume anything not provided. Windows 7, Dell Precision series. I think we can assume I'll get the 500ma from the port but I can check it. It is in a docking station with all power saving turned off except blank the screen.
I'd rather not run a virtual machine on it, but will if needed. I do use it for work from time to time and want it to be fairly snappy.

I should have summarized this, but I know I can run the single cgminer and a stick from a usb port on the laptop or docking station. Can I also run an externally powered hub with a stick running a separate cgminer, its own settings, etc?

Ahh I see it now. Thanks.

Is it just me?
That plug does not look like it fits that adaptor.

Yes, I should make sure I clarify and be fair. I want to be sure people know I am happy with my S5+ purchase. My S5+ did not arrive dirty. I said the fan was the only issue but I also had a heat sink which was unfinished in the sawing process. I'm assuming they were sawed, and my hash is a bit under spec, and if there was a corner store I could go speak with them about these issues I would, but having been exposed to all of the issues people have I have adjusted my expectations of Bitmain and in that regard I will say my S5+ experience was good. Would I do it again knowing what I do now, yes I would. Someone may ask "why? The S7 was released right after" and I would respond with the S7 was announced right after, but most of us are still waiting on it to be delivered and the S5+ was the right choice for me at that time. I do not regret a single S3 purchase, or the S5+. I do regret my S4s and I am about 50-50 on my S5s.

It is not good that I had to lower my expectations because I was spoiled by the SP20 class of hardware, but even then we were told it would hash at 1.7, but I do not regret a single SP20 purchase because of the quality of the hardware and support I received along with the life of these units. They are the energizer bunny of mining equipment in my experiences due to a combination of the aforementioned along with the confidence they implore.

I will throw a but in there though, at least Bitmain is selling to the public and we have an opportunity to stay in the game.
I know sidehack and novac will never release control for big funding, and rightly so, but how amazing would it be to see them rolling out a big boy today? "Take all of my money and here I will sell things and give you more" 

I sincerely do not know how medium size farms are optimistic. Obviously the large farms receive a higher level of support and quality control, but man the medium size guys who are just a level above most of us have got to be hurting. IF you must sell coin to pay the power bill every month I toast you. If I were making decisions based on "have to" versus whatever the hell I feel like I would not have near as much fun. I see the light, the window started to close well before I was on the scene, but I am going to enjoy it and stay at my scale. Don't get me wrong, I would love to pack up and move to Washington, or Mongolia and have a Giant farm to run. I cannot think of anything I would rather be doing (outside of spending quality time with my children obviously), but I would seriously pack up and go. I think it would be an amazing ride and roll of the dice but knowing the manufacturers have the keys to the ecosystem is scary as hell. The knowledge obtained when we pull the curtain back and peek in makes sure there will not be a winner outside of being partnered with or being a manufacturer. By winner I mean making the money required for making a commitment of 5 - 10 years of my life inside a bitcoin mine. No matter how much I love it today, that would begin to wane when all of the stress of buying decisions, equipment availability, down time, etc are involved. I strive for consistency and fun. While my company is a huge challenge, we still have fun every day and I know my skill set will not let me go hungry. In the bitcoin world it doesn't matter how good you are, there are too many straight limiting factors controlled by others. Not so much fun.

But it would damn sure be nice to walk down those rows of flashing lights hopping from one to the other to keep things going, installing new systems, upgrading the power, hooo, hooo HOOO, it is motivating.   

I agree with you Phil, 180 would be closer to fair. After all comparing this to a car is not fair, individual miners don't cost 10, 20, - 50+ thousand USD.
Although, I think we should see a faster jump on warranty issues under 90 days. I do not think many of us are out to screw bitmain. I simply want to get equipment which runs per spec. The smart person isn't underpowering these things because they know what problems to expect. The smart person isn't taking their $2,000 purchase and jacking up the frequency right off the bat and taking a chance it will be down. The smart person is connecting it, making sure everything is setup correctly, and mining with it.
I also think anyone with common sense would look at the overall scenarios of people and agree that bitmain is sorely hurting in the support area.

In my business we know there are some people who take advantage of us. We go above and beyond. I also know I do everything possible to make sure these are repeat customers, and I certainly make my money back on the next deal. It is not difficult. It is business.
My equipment costs hundreds of thousands so we have a scale to consider, but even then I am told almost daily we have the best support in our industry. I answer my phone 24 hours a day, 7 days per week, and our biggest clients have my direct numbers. Bitmain probably does the same at some level. We also have standard emergency lines you may call and we rotate official emergency support. If you spend 5 dollars or 500,000 you get the same support. We jump no matter what. 
This is based on one simple reason and expands from there, but people running a business should always consider the person spending 5 bucks today could be spending 500,000 at some point in the future.
We are unique in our industry. We do not have to offer this level of support to maintain our edge, but personally I could never work any other way. It is ingrained in my cells that when people need help, I help. Sure sometimes I am taken advantage of, but to me, that is the price of doing business properly.

If I ever heard an employee talking down to a customer, or, heard a customer was being ignored, even if that customer is in the wrong, that employee would go to the wood shed. I expect the same treatment from others. If I get hostile with someone, or ignore them, you better believe the culture we have created is that action would be questioned and someone would immediately step in and handle it.

I mentioned this in another of my posts yesterday, it very much is a cultural difference in the approach to doing business, but, it should not be this way.

I work with many customers in mexico, and it is their culture to do what I would call screw you over the first time around. When we submit an invoice they usually do not pay right away, and try to get out of some or all of the payment, but when we call and explain things  and go through the "Rig a more O" then they pay no problem. It is the way they handle their business with each other, and everyone else and that is why international rates are higher. Some countries do business this way.

I said all of this to say, one person's being screwed over is another's way of doing business and how they were taught. A 90 day warranty from me is always going to mean a helluva lot more than a 90 day warranty from bitmain for the exact same price of equipment. This is due to a cultural issue. It starts at the top of the business. It is how the business is structured.

Here is another comparison I think everyone will more likely agree with. Look at Sidehack and Novac and our lovely compac. Gekko Science were straight up about delivery. What they expected, and told us along the way when things did or didn't happen. Now I understand that detailed level of transparency cannot be achieved  due to some business models, but the fact that they said when things were on time, or when something was late is huge compared to bitmain. Sidehack has it right. Take a warranty claim, or even an unknown and handle it head on. Drive it. OWN IT. In the end of the Compac we are lining up to throw money at Gekko Science for another project. Look at the trust he gained from this scene. Look how fast it will grow if they choose to do so.

Having those levels of morals is what I call living right, and sleeping well at night. It is night and day compared to many US companies as well. You never want your customer to feel they are out of options and have no choice but to do what you tell them. Eventually, they will have another option you are not providing. Every day look at how many people who would jump ship to an unknown manufacturer just because of the known at this moment. A US company could clean house with chips right now. However, you pay a bit more for that level of service as well. Not to mention the quality of the work, and quality control.

Someone answer this please. Would you pay $2,150 USD for a hashing / efficiency equivalent to the S7 from GekkoScience or order it for $1,800 USD from a company in China? I'm telling you it would not take long before everyone was paying more because the quality would be worlds apart. The service would be worlds apart. In the end you would make well over the price difference because your units would be worlds apart.  The people who opt for the lower cost would only do so for a mining generation. When you look at how much different the cultural ideology is there is no contest.

From the top down makes or breaks any company. The example that is set by the ownership and management team. Taking care of your customers is number 1 in any business, but even more critical in repeat business. Am I thankful Bitmain continues to sell to the public at all, yes, yes I am, but that doesn't remove my expectations to receive what I purchased. I think the expectations of a 90 day warranty here in the US means something completely different than it does in many other parts of the world where they expect to roll the dice. We expect what we were told we would receive.

It is a hard pill to swallow for some of us. Me included. But I do not see any other plausible explanation when considering my personal experiences in this community and my work life. It all points to the same core values. You either have them, or you don't.

Maybe most people without issues are not posting as much, but if you look back through here, and the site Tupsu points out, the people without issues seem to be very few.

I consider myself lucky I only have one fan failure which Bitmain did finally replace, thanks to Yoshi. He does come around.
My unit has always been a low hasher though, and runs fairly consistent poolside at 7.6.
Seeing the reports of the S7 hashrate, my hashing issues are negligent if you compare chip to chip.

Certainly compared to the SP20 advertised 1.7 TH which I've never seen one run at that rate out of the ones I've had, and I tried with decent ambients, the S5+ is closer to maintaining the specification.

What I do not understand is why any of these companies aren't straight up honest at this point. Obviously people are continuing to purchase miners even when they are screwed. Maybe that is why they play this game of saying one thing and doing another?

But I will agree with the other poster and congrats to you notlist3d for winning the S5+ miner and receiving one without issues, yet.

I was working late the past few nights so am just installing these tonight.

I think the other 3 for the 5 looks very nice and they are running great.

That is what I call customer service man, and I respect and appreciate it when that happens consistently.

I am running them at 175 for a warm up run, have an arctic cooler fan blowing on them, and I am going to put a 120 mm fan on them before I go any higher.

I found a rhythm to installing these when using Zadig, I believe I've seen more than a couple of people mentioning hot plugging. Novac did as well.
I installed one at a time and let it be recognized by windows.
I reinstall Zadig Win USB driver on every Compac in the list (Have list all devices selected)
I start Cgminer batch file or however you select your settings
While CG miner is running take the compac out, wait a few seconds and plug it back in the same slot.

Never had that fail

Seriously, I appreciate good work and decisions. Thanks guys.

Any word on when they will release the firmware for it?
I guess they could be waiting like most of us and they don't have one to test on.

But, as far as I remember I installed the extra nonce firmware on my S3 and S4 and never had an issue.
I do not sell my hash often but haven't noticed any issues since adding the xnsub firmware.  
However, I've moved those up to Kano now.

They will do anything possible to bust out some firmware though right? It hurts them if they don't.

I am not going to generalize and say all businesses in china do some or all of these things. That sounds racist.Maybe I should consider clarifying when I discuss China pools.
However, there are cultural differences everywhere. I spent about two months working in china in my mid twenties. Flew in to Hong Kong, spent about a week. Each day I would receive a message from the front desk saying they would let me know the next day what time they would pick me up.. Then after a week these two guys show up and take me to a train, and we all ride together to the city in China. Forgive me I cannot remember the spelling, but I'll never forget how it was pronounced. My best phonetic spelling would be Guanchow or Gwanchow. From Hong Kong to Guwanchow was like going from Vegas and New York rolled together to a Cantonese version of leave it to beaver. The two guys with me were bodyguards because they thought I might get robbed just for average Western clothing and because I was foreign, and American. I later found out it was also so they could keep an eye on what I was doing.
  
The company I worked with in Gwuanchow is a business in what I learned and began to understand is the traditional business arrangement in the sector of work I do, in China. There is certainly a company structure with employees, managers, etc, but there is also a partner many times, the Chinese Government.

This company took advantage of the workforce in so many sickening ways. I seriously do not want to get in a long description, but one of the lightest moments is lunchtime for anyone who wasn't management. They built a fire with whatever they could find and cooked a whole chicken, or two, maybe three depending on how many people were there. The whole thing, and ate every bite.

Again, I am not saying these things to suggest all of china is this way, and neither is BITMAIN to my knowledge.

It seemed to me the workers were taught to not give a shit. If they were hurt, they went home without pay. Where most companies I worked with in the west who experienced a significant loss of money due to delays begin to get upset fast. Were I was working they acted like it is completely normal and nothing to become upset about.

There were my two bodyguards who could speak english well enough and they were great guys, just like you would meet in your area at home. When they made business decisions there was never a hurried situation. Everything could wait. I as the contractor could wait, even though our contract has specific penalties for end user responsibilities incomplete at our arrival, they weren't excited in the least, and told me not to worry about it; everything would be taken care of.

I recognize some of this in the actions I have seen with BITMAIN.
Even though the S5+ is a 90 day warranty I was told within the first few weeks, three weeks I think it was and I was still begging for anyone to talk with me about my S5+ fan failure. I must qualify here that Colorado did answer me, but couldn't help me with the warranty fan situation although they did offer to sell me a couple of fans. Finally I received a phone call from a name most of you who have been around a minute know and he suggested I pick one up locally. I'm sure he meant order one as I am unable to buy that fan locally.
When I asked this simple question to him, do you think it is right to provide a warranty and not uphold it? Sure it is a fan, but it is a fan for my S5+, it is a decent fan, and I should be sent one under the product warranty. I think they all know the right thing, but the culture is different. He agreed with me, that covering the fan was the right thing to do, but he could have just as easily sent me back to sending emails to the factory, info@bitmaintech.com. This is where I was told I had to process my warranty claim.
My guy from California was correct obviously by agreeing that the fan should be covered and info@bitmaintech offered to sell me fans, but my guy in california did send me a fan. He did the right thing. Maybe I wasn't supposed to repeat such, but I'd think it would be better for people to hear the truth that the BITMAIN employee did make the right choice in dealing with the situation.

A few posts popped up regarding other people with S5+ fan failures and about this time the first (and almost only) S7s showed up at some had fan failures at arrival and some are having failures. As the home miners we are doing great testing and reporting of what we find.

The first action is the default for the culture. When prompted, questioned with more realistic ideals, well, plainly what is right. Once that is brought to an individual's attention they know the right thing to do, but the culture, the environment, the previous experiences with leadership and authority figures have taught that telling someone to pickup a fan locally is acceptable. In such it teaches the warranty is flexible if it costs the company a bit of money. Do not think for a second I am saying this is the China way, there are plenty of companies in any country, or any number of individuals at any company who may feel one way or the other, but again, leadership, social experiences, the examples which have been set, well, it is justified as not only OK, but the right choice. It is up to all of us to help define what the real "right" choice is. We must teach that it is not acceptable.

Bitmain may issue something for the delays to appease some of us S7 early purchases, or hopefully all of batch 1. It would be to appease us, don't fool yourself into thinking it is done (if it happens) to appease us. It is not an admission of making an incorrect choice for those making the decisions. They knew and know the miners have an issue. It is listed in a manner on the website relative to the pricing and batches 2 and 3. Again, what leadership feels are morally and financially sound decisions.

I had a situation this past February with a single batch 1 S4. The PSU died 3 times (or was it 4? I lost count) I could put it on a 200BB and it would run flawless. The third time they made me send the complete unit. By this time I'd already lost an obscene amount of hashing time, and I was considering just leaving it on the 2000bb, but the guys in Colorado told me they could figure out what was wrong. I shipped it in, they installed yet another batch 2 PSU, and upgraded the firmware to the Jan9th version. At that time I'd never overclocked it anyway. I was thrilled if it ran for a week. The power supply failed again about a week later, and I decided the issue regarding me being unable to sell it easily without a factory PSU didn't matter, the fact that I had to run it on the 2000bb didn't matter, as long as it ran, and it has since. It has never given me one hiccup and knock on wood I did overclock it after the warranty expired. I rolled it back to October firmware so I could freakin adjust the voltage, and had some great fun with her. I put a 2880 on the girl and put her in my bedroom and decided if it was her time then it was. I proceeded to run all sorts of tests with over and underclocking. I would run her full tilt at 2400ish which is where she ran stable so she wasn't the best unit, but there was never anything else wrong, and I proved that to myself. It was those cheap PSUs. Bad choice, and bad design.

But, before I ended at my happy place with my lady S4, I was told in the very beginning of my S4 ordeal my warranty was not valid. To my knowledge at that point bitmain had resellers and Bitmain themselves sell on Amazon via the Bitmain account. They honored warranty with sales from that account. The lady S4 shipped from their factory and I actually paid a decent amount over what I should. This was December last year when I bought her and she arrived just after new years. I paid $1,000.00 which was after several amazon discounts which totalled around $200.00 so I officially paid $1,200.00 when these were selling for about $1000.00 or less on the bitmain website. You see, I was an utter noob then, I just knew I had mining in my blood. All of a sudden that Amazon account was a reseller and all of a sudden no reseller gets bitmain factory warranty.  It didn't matter it had shipped directly from bitmain, or that the amazon account was bitmain, it was not an order placed through the bitmain website and therefore came from a reseller.

Again, initial reaction, but I did end up getting the first warranty power supplies and the trip for her to Colorado was covered by warranty, because the person I worked with on setting it up finally saw what was the right choice. It wasn't the first choice, but even though I never had a PSU installed which worked for more than a week or so and I would never be offered any type of compensation for the weeks of missed mining time, hours spent troubleshooting, putting more money in a server power supply and making cables to fit the lugs on the hash boards. I felt like I had at least received a standard kind of warranty I imagined, but I was done trying to get it fixed anymore.

Now we face paying for something many or even most of us may not receive. We feel cheated before we have even received them. Maybe we will get a 4.6 miner rather than 4.8 and I don't know about you guys but at the prices we paid, the amount of time from paying to shipment, the ming time lost, alongside the potential loss upon receipt hashing at 4.6 unit may very well be what we have to make lemonade with. Don't forget that any 4.8 units will have a better resale rate.

We'd all been waiting all summer for some fresh miner models, and this fit our bill so their sales exploded. No one else to buy from.

Again, I did not write about these things to bash bitmain. I wrote this to try to help some people see more clearly what seems to happen. I hope everyone receives what they pay for, and while I wasn't always respectful and polite, you should be, but you should also be firm, informed, and have every little thing documented. If you have an electrical issue and aren't good with a meter get someone who is to help check the mains, check the current, check what your cables are delivering, but all the while talk to Bitmain first and cover your ass while you are under warranty.

Never think you shouldn't receive option 2 if you are morally sound. If you aren't trying to take advantage of anyone there is not a reason you shouldn't receive the proper support, so ask for it, and talk openly and ask whoever you are working with from Bitmain what they think, if needed ask a second time and sincerely explain your situation. You may not be treated the way you think is fair, but then again, you might be, or, at least somewhat fair, or mostly fair, which is a helluva lot better than not fair at all.

Next time miners are up, you can think about if you have been treated the way you would treat your customer and be honest with yourself.    

It doesn't work correctly. I've tried and so have many others.

And this is exactly why you have to do what you can.
Well, obviously you do not have to, but man I have followed several people mining here and a couple of which I really thought cared about the Bitcoin scene.

I feel like yes we can talk about greed, because if greed takes over an idealistic stance then that is what hurts bitcoin. That is EXACTLY why these chinese pools are doing what they are doing. You may need to entertain a bit more variance and mine at a smaller pool but you get the same results at the end of the day. Mining at one of these pools is lending a hand to destroying what many love, and what bitcoin was made to do which is to be the Robin Hood of currency.

I've purchased a couple of bitcoin miners from bitmain but it has only been since we cannot get anyone else to sell us decent product, and what has went down with the S7 sales shows what is going on as clear as the issues you have with the interface. They know they have the only game in town and that people will stay because they mine with less variance, but I seriously doubt you guys are making more coin than for example the miners at Kano. It has been a phenomenal summer and shaping up to be an amazing fall.

I know I am wasting my 'breath' on most, but I've also felt like the couple of people I am really talking to care about our community and continuing to support these pools is harming it. There is nothing wrong with a little greed when discussing currency, but there is something wrong with it when it comes at the price of the very thing we should be supporting.

Please consider giving a different pool a shot, even if it is a small amount of your hash to begin with. You can look at Kano's pool record since the first block and it will be obvious you make more by mining there. Even if you do not agree with Kano's political views the fact is he has a pool making more than any PPS pool and has the best support you could ever ask to have.

Take 10 minutes and be completely open minded and consider taking a chance on a move. There are things I don't agree with Slush about, Kano knows I'd enjoy having some other coins we could merge mine like unobtanium but I know he will never offer such, but even if we don't agree on it, I trust his reasoning. He has proven to me I should over and over again. He is dead set against Bip 101, but many are for it, but that still doesn't mean his isn't a better option than here.

Bitmain is not for decentralization Bitmain is for profit any way they can get it and f2pool is just as bad if not worse. SPV mining, empty blocks, and they keep going. I bet if it made monetary sense they would double spend, and you can believe that will take your coin every chance they get, if you know or not.

Regardless what anyone chooses, I wish you the best of luck and hope you make a mint, but I sincerely hope you realize you really aren't making more coin here, and Bitmain could care less about a few miners outside China who don't like something. There are people who do care and will do anything they can to help everyone be successful.

It only takes a few people to make a big difference. Consider being one of those people. You will be surprised how great it is to know you are helping to spread the hash among many other things around which bitcoin was made.

Consider this, Satoshi did not make bitcoin to be famous, he made it as a gift to humanity. It would be following his ideals to support any pool doing everything they could to treat people the best they possibly could and help keep bitcoin strong. These chinese pools are gaming the network and gaming their users, every day.

F2pool and bitmain would not use the methods they do if it wasn't the most profitable for them.
You can make them change to a better model, it simply takes you.

For about 6 weeks I ran a large rack of miners in what used to be an attached garage. On the East wall there are large windows I left open and on the west wall is where I had the rack and the miners pointed at the open door. The temperatures were not -20 but we were certainly below freezing many days and nights off and on for weeks. I did not have a need to run the furnace because I had strategically placed miners around the home but this was the largest concentration in the attached garage. Even when it was below freezing it would be so hot in the attached garage that I couldn't sleep in there and I can fall asleep anywhere. Once I placed an exhaust fan by the west door sucking-blowing out. To me it was perfect and I could fall asleep if I was working out there.
(It is not uncommon for me to stay awake too much and only get a couple of hours sleep for a few days and then crash anywhere I land at home.)
The miners did need a good cleaning and I broke them all down as far as possible and with a vacuum and low pressure, dry, clean, compressed air they were spotless. There was not any damage. I've seen pictures in the SP20 thread of weather damage. If you want to see some thermal damage roll through that thread. People who had the miner sitting outside their window with just the exhaust sticking inside for the heat.

I live in a humid area. It isn't extremely humid, but it certainly isn't as dry as some places. I live kind of in the same part of the world as sidehack and novac so maybe they could chime in on the humidity %, and it is a bit dryer in the winter here, but I'm certainly not going to claim it is very dry, probably average for most of the Midwest USA.

I know there were some obscene temperature changes because right beside this door where the exhaust went is an open door to the rest of the house and heat poured in from the other miners. It was so hot you could break a sweat if I didn't open the windows sometimes.

There is a difference between -20 c and - 10 c and most nights in the winter are probably average between 4 c to -6 c
Even though it was technically inside a home there was always a great breeze of cross air in the room. Some nights working out there I regulated the temperature by opening or closing a window.  I certainly had temperature swings from day to night. We have huge swings here where you can see 20 to 0 c between day and night.

I wasn't lucky. I cleaned the miners and I continue to do so.
Take one down, pass it around, wash, and repeat. Be meticulous with any buildup.

The exact same miners are running today in a different part of the home and have a filter setup. They are running great and I have added more miners, but the filters did a fantastic job and I clean about half as often. For your outdoor project I would use a fine thin layer mesh and a true filter. Don't restrict the flow much. I would also use double fans. By this I mean I would use the ones on the miner and have another at the exhaust to your structure which is strong enough to continue pulling air across the hashing boards just in case something happened to the other fan(s). I would never let them run fanless due to hotspots. This is the mistake many people make when performing sub zero and N2 experiments. Hit up overclockers.net for some subzero tips if you want, but it is pretty straightforward at this temperature.

AS long as you keep the air flowing and do not allow water to reach the miner I think you will be fine. This is around February and early march of this year and if I were you I would go for it.

As someone advised, run yourself a little test with one miner for a week and check her out. Do a deep checking and completely pull her down. Take a magnifying glass and patiently look at all components paying close attention to the area around the inlet and outlet. If it is even close to as dry as you describe I do not see why you will have issues. People in Michigan, New Hampshire, North Dakota, etc see temps of -20 c easy every year so I do not understand why -20 is exciting so many folks. After all, it is the humidity that is the killer.

Look at the previous years average. What does the temp range do when the sun comes up? Does it stay at -20 or does it blast to +10 in 30 minutes? That can be a reason for concern but otherwise you are good.

Document everything! Take pictures! I didn't and I kick myself for it. If it wasn't so much work I would set it up this way just to take pics, but I have a different plan for this winter. I am going to use the existing ductwork in my home being fed by all the miners in one room. The duct will handle it no problem. I will take pictures

Maybe ship the S7 miners you have already sold rather than rolling out batches of more and even different products?

No problems at all Mr. Phil. I wanted to make sure I was in line. U is good with me.
...And 3 or 4 long sloopy posts would really put some people off so we better not do such tonight, well again anyway

Both of you guys are right on. I need to go back and read because this was pretty obviously laid out as a 1 compac pool and what else you do is your donation.
I plan to throw some extra hash in here from time to time as well as I think it is going to be great for not only increasing odds no matter how small, but good for everyone's outlook. We all know this is a pie in the sky and it is a good thing chasing that pie with a team.
MMmm pie
I like pie

Which ones did you order Herb?
I am returning the ones I bought because I neglected to read the fine print and the end which goes to the stickminer is a 'B' connector. Tis what I get for drinking and mining.

By the way, does anyone know why my name doesn't have a hash number beside it in Phil's list? It has a U and he said he sees all members are hashing, but no amount listed for me yet.

Edit, what are people's best share number?
I have 8.9M at the moment after about 24 hours of having two sticks mining without touching them. I touched them too much yesterday morning.

I couldn't agree more regarding several of your points.
Slush payout method is a big reason why I cannot mine there. Even if (I hope it never happens, or at least anytime soon), but even if Mr. Kano had to close up shop I get screwed at Slush because of my intermittent drop off issue I have yet to figure out. My hash drops off for 5 mins and the block is found before I ramp back up then I don't get paid, and my drops happen enough that they fall on blocks. I've tried it with a smaller amount of hash and it sux. In general the payment system falls off way to fast anyway. I think that fall off speed is way too fast to be fair. I can understand if pools do not want to go as long as long as this one and the ramp up here took a bit to get used too but now I love it because I do things to make my ramp up feel faster even though I know it isn't, throwing another 10 TH in my mix makes my numbers look good to me heh. I pay for those things with coin, but I enjoy it as well. I only hate thinking about block withholders when renting hash so I do not rent near as much as I used too. It is actually pretty rare anymore.

I also agree with your thoughts regarding this pool. One of the biggest attractions is the interaction from the pool op. You could make a list of pros vs cons and I think despite the name con that ck and kano have done some fantastic work. Who else has the insight to the mining software, the pool software, and the experience. Many people can write code, and some can write good code, but having the experience of not only writing, but rewriting, real bug testing, real bug fixes, avoiding political situations or taking them on in the correct context, checking that software personally and then sharing it with the public... The pool fee is certainly reasonable imo and obviously it works. We've had an aggressive past few months and as anyone I do not want it to fall off for any amount of time but I am mentally prepared if it does because that is part of the scene.

A magnificent buzzword is transparency, and we have one of the finest examples right here. I think once people grasp the PPLNS payout system there is not much else to understand because it is so transparent. The PPLNS was the only thing which took me a minute to understand but I never doubted I was being treated fairly even though I check and recheck. I do that for my books, not because I think Kano is scheming to get my little bit of coin haha. Anyone can see if they are paid or not right there on the chain. There is an output to your address or there isn't.

I do not trust most of the chinese pools for one simple reason, they have screwed us before and choose to keep the same methods while claiming they corrected the issues. The only things they fixed is so they wouldn't mine on the wrong chain, they certainly didn't stop SPV mining which to me shows selfishness. Everyone has a right to make money, but do it without harming others unless the others are being stupid. In this case the "others" are doing the right thing.
I hope F2pool gets a karma kick in the balls one day and I hope it is something which hurts them and not their miners although, most of them know what they are supporting so maybe I shouldn't think that way, but there are some who go there for the regular PPS payouts. Bitmain, heh, I think they know exactly what they are doing and there is a huge amount of those pools working together and competing, but they certainly work to help each other in the mainland. Again, I wish no bad times to good miners, but I hope one day to see a group of hobby miners who can do it for the fun and who would have the communities best interest as a top priority over greed. I don't think most even shop around for the best value they sign up what someone has made look the best on paper through alt coins. I have previously said I would enjoy having some MM coins to play with for kicks from time to time, but if my pool ops say it isn't worth it well they've earned my trust through their actions and I take their word for it. <- and that is a perfect example of what I meant in my last post about the people who earn your trust aren't trying to do so, they are simply being who they are and running their business the way they think is right.

You know, it doesn't take near as much effort over the long run to do things the right way. Normally it takes much more effort to lie, cheat, and steal. Maybe not in one day, or even a month, but overall the risk versus reward, well, for a cheat and liar you must add in the stress because if those things don't add stress you are a psychopath.

No one who is screwing people everyday believes they are doing the right thing no matter how many times they say they are. Say your business was reselling parts. If you sold used parts as new you will be caught. Maybe it would be by one person, then a couple more, but eventually, it starts to add up.

There are criminals who get away with things everyday and I am sure there are a large number who are not caught, but those have to have that thought in their mind, just like a Parent running from their responsibilities and never seeing their child, it is in your mind, you can lie, drink, drug all you want but it comes back in spades and having that weighing on you is physically sickening.  

Life isn't fair, but being surrounded by people who try to be fair and honest sure makes it about as close as it ever will be to getting to that place. This community has a decent 'pool' of those types of people and no matter what else they may do when you can see how they have acted and treated people here for a while it becomes obvious they are generally making decisions to support that in general no matter the situation.

Those are the people I do my best to emulate.

I think I need to work on my delivery, but I hope the thought process behind it shines through, because I can be a dick sometimes, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't do everything possible to make sure you are treated right. I get some weird pleasure in taking up for people and righting wrongs in life and there is some chemical reaction that turns on a light in my head during that process. Maybe that is selfish in itself, but it's a good selfish I hope because it sure wouldn't turn on at the thought I'd taken advantage of someone or ripped someone off. Kinda like sidehack, he can be a dick sometimes in his comments but it is obvious the guy has a heart of gold and wants to do things "right". His version of right is in line with mine. His comments aren't near as dickish when you realize such. He simply has a harcore way of teaching you to help yourself and wants you to use your head and realize your potential. He can answer that simple question and throw a link to the answer over and over but I think he gets that satisfaction knowing he taught you to figure it out because he knows you are better for it. I say his comments are dickish but they aren't, they only seem such at first but usually there is a reason. Sometimes he gets in a back n forth with someone like pekatete but usually those things are a tremendous amount of nitpicking by the wrong person and sidehack is determined to show why so they learn.

I know a guy who is a complete asshole and says whatever rude thing pops in his head most of the time, but it is the truth. So while he needs to work on his delivery, he also gives people a place to live until they get on their feet, has let people and their kids who had nowhere to go stay with him and all of his family, he buys things for other members of his family who have blown their own money on stupid things because he isn't letting them go hungry even when he doesn't have much money himself, but I bet even though you couldn't tell it by talking with him that he loves the feelings he gets from helping people more than almost anything else in life except his own children. You can't replace that feeling from any amount of money you steal, well, unless maybe you steal it from a rapist or something teaching them a lesson but as a rule, or maybe the government but pretty much the same as a rapist so yeah, but even if you did steal from someone you thought deserved it is that going to come close to the feeling you will carry with you knowing you may have made the difference in some little kids life when they needed it the most?
I can answer that for anyone with a conscience, no, nothing can touch the realization you have made a giant impact on someone's life by taking a few minutes and helping them with their calculus homework when they have no one else to help them because their parents didn't pay the internet bill and bought a few bottles of cheap wine instead and got drunk.
Yeah, that makes a difference in them, and you. If you doubt me, give it a shot for 30 days and see how you feel. Good people are everywhere in this world, seriously they are, sometimes you simply have to show them it is OK to be good.

Ahhh geesh WoT again, my bad. I'll make sure it takes a couple weeks before I do it again 

Out of curiosity, do you have any theories or wild guesses as to why Elgius is run the way it is? Do wizkid or Lucy Luke Joonyor have some way of sliding the money around you think? Maybe they just keep the coin which isn't paid out from the people who get frustrated and leave somehow?
I've previously wondered how much coin is left in accounts where you mine to an account and then setup a min withdrawal, but although I've never mined at Elgius I think you mine to an address don't you?

I'm not seriously saying unLuscious Lucy Luke and wiz are stealing because I have no proof and am purely speculating based off why anyone would operate a pool with those stats? If I consider other pools which I have seen run with poor stats in the end they were indeed stealing to make their hash go round. Like BAM, basic ponzis. Not even elaborate. When I consider any payment method other than paying me for the blocks we discovered after 101 confirmations.

Sersly, does one need trust for a trustless currency? Me thinks not. Besides, aren't the ones you trust and respect the ones who don't require trust to do business?

I am the same way and have a big interest to hear Sidehack's official cause of death.

Sidehack, I appreciate you being willing to send one out under warranty. That's a standup decision and I hope people recognize such.

I am going to PM you to confirm any RMA information, the ship to address, along with discussing ordering a couple more.

The more I play with these bad boys and develope some of my more

 

I read your answer to alh but hadn't remembered it when I posted. Thank you for the refresher and appreciate the further clarification. I understand what vcore is and that I did not need to have it set that high for running 200 or 250 but as I was playing and since I have played with many other devices which utilize a vcore I didn't see an issue with leaving it set higher than needed. I understand it burns more power and heats things up, but didn't think it would be an issue since I had a good fan and ac on the situation.
I actually hadn't given it much thought at all because what I'd read from the Compac threads I didn't see a red flag with using a maximum vcore adjustment with a low frequency.
I am assuming this is the root of my failure.
Too hot:


I don't know how I did it and will be using a couple of more fans when I actually perform real overclocking with my survivors. I examined my running pieces with a nice lighted magnifier and do not see anything on those two which resembles the damage in the picture above. Hopefully it was a fluke.

The vcore measures .86 to 1.1 and bounces between those values.
As a reference I measured one of the living sticks while hashing and it was at .663 rock solid.

If you do want it back confirm the ship to via PM and I will send it out.