Oddly enough that is where he started 

If you get a package coming to the US please put me on the list.
Nothing like flashing lights to excite me.

I want the deluxe model, all options possible, and definitely the fan shroud.

I have a stack of these supplies for backups. I need the board and the side plates.

It does seem they do need managerial approval for most things.
But other than my bit of whining regarding other Bitmain topics, I am pretty much done with complaining about the lack of an S7 in my possession, which is pretty much what this thread is so far. Well, except the few who have no issues, and the people who have low hashing issues.

Almost humorous to read the first 50, 60, 90 pages of the other 'new product" threads.
There are some eerie coincidences.

Hell, most should have their units within the next couple of weeks and the thread will be more about success and failure and how we as individuals view each unless the scenario is painfully obvious.
I hope everyone's package arrives soon and no one has significant trouble.
IF one of us does let's make it a teaching session so we all know what to do.

Here, a toast to success.

 

ok someone tell me what the click n drag format is and I'll be happy to join that club as well!

I thought my guess was going to be high until today.
Bitmain, and other companies of course, are hashing away.I wonder what that many S7s (that are sold) hashing away brings in in a week?

I am going to have to get the paid address out and check it again later. Damn I bet it is a good week to party in China. I wanna go again now.

Do you think it would be much more shipping to the US, and would you be willing?
I don't see a reason to buy an adaptor from the pics we've seen, but the US 'group buy' is requiring it. I guess he already spent money on a batch of adaptors from someone else, and states he thinks it is required to run the unit in the US.
As many others have stated I do not think it is required, but if by some magical chance it is, then I could go pick it up myself locally. Hell I've probably got one laying around.

What this does is tie the regulator output to minimum (550mV) instead of giving you full-range control.

 if you bust that wire off your stick will stop working.

I am definitely not going to take the wire off heh. Unless you told me it did something like allow me to overclock that stick higher, etc, but saying it is a no no is good enough for me.

I vaguely remember something along the lines of what you mentioned about "instead of giving you full range control". Could you help me understand a bit more there on why I wouldn't want full range control, if it is the voltage the pot controls?

I will go read back through the Sales thread, just being curious.

Guys, can you tell me what this wire going around the pot is going to do for me, or is doing it already?

Just curious as I didn't see it on the others.

(*warning* fuzzy pic ahead)

Back when I went through my S4 ordeal I offered to give them a deposit in BTC, or a credit card to cross ship me a PSU, but even though there was a known issue they just couldn't do it.
I don't think it gets any more fair than a guarantee they would receive the bad part back or they keep the deposit. They could even charge an actual deposit to the card and refund it once the part is back.

Obviously there are other scams which can be done, but all business take some of those same risks, and deal with them head-on while keeping customers happy. I have no doubt bitmain have talented people who can lay out ways to accomplish the same.

Obviously none of this matters if you can login and change settings.
I thought I read you were trying to reset the settings to defaults.
The 10-24-14 firmware had a bug where the reset button wouldn't work.

You may already know, but when you reset it there is an odd process, odd to me anyway. I am used to resets being performed while it is powered off, but of course I am speaking relative to moving a BIOS jumper on PC motherboards.
For one you have to do it at the right point during boot, or right as boot completes, and you have to hold that bugger down a good long while, which is a real pain when it is offset in the hole. I downloaded a bunch of stuff from the zendesk support site. Im pretty sure one of them was an S3 reset doc.
Yeah, it says 2 minutes after boot in their reset prochedure:
https://bitmain.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/202648429-Reset-Prochedure
Their instructions leave out how long to hold the button down. It has been a while since I did it, but I remember reading to hold it down until it beeps. Like I said it was a long wait but finally it beeped, and reset.
Also, if upgrading I never keep my settings. That was a bomb scenario with one or more versions of the S3 firmware. IF you selected to retain your settings it would come back up and you would get a messed up screen when you went to the login page for the miner.


If you are running 10-24 fw or close to it, you won't get it to reset, at least no one else could that I ever read about. Many of us opted to send the boards in, and bitmain used the debug port on the control board. It is a USB to serial gizmo you can pick up all over the place, amazon has a ton of different ones. Then you have to use a program which will talk serially, correctly, there is a whole thread dedicated to the Jtag port aka debug port.
I wanted to do that project then, but was in so deep setting up my farm I couldn't take another project at that point.
There is a fantastic thread about this and the last post of instructions lays the entire process out perfectly.



I run 10-24 firmware on all of my S3s, but have been playing with Kano's version and plan to move a couple of my best S3+ performers to it. I am selling the rest so I will update to Bitmain stock so they have reset button functionality and it is factory firmware. I guess depending on the situation I may ask the person purchasing if they want Kano's version installed to keep them from reinventing the wheel if they aren't familiar with how to do so.

If you have an opportunity to use Sidehack's services for work, I would do so. I understand if shipping isn't cost effective, but you can't get much selling an S3 today either. Probably $75 bucks max. So if you can make btc with it, evaluate everything. Even if you can't mine $75.00 you may have a way to get close, and if I can keep the hardware and it only costs me a few bucks, meaning i'm not going to make much more selling it, then yeah I am going to sit on it, because of just in cases.

Just in case I can use a Gekko Science retro kit with it.
Just in case price soars and I can put everything back to work full steam ahead
Just in case I hit the lotto and I can put everything back to work immediately full steam ahead while I build my real mine

I was going through the support section saving everything off to a backup drive while updating my troubleshooting tool kit. It can save me big time to have a little cheat sheet with a 1,2,3 once I identify the problem. I have many interruptions (which I enjoy honeys! I swear)

I run across this software which claims to do a mass pool change. The only thing I've seen to do this easily is either in software you must pay for to get extended features before you try them, or software like what is posted on Slush's site called mining proxy which doesn't use stratum if I understand correctly. Obviously CGminer proxy does this, but I am referring to windows.

Is this software something very old? If so, was it any good, did it work? I searched, but I don't know if I used the wrong term. I have fought search engines of some type over 30 years now over my context and syntax. It seems I type too much.

Otherwise, what software would you recommend for today which allows you to move all your Sx series miners to a different pool without logging in each one?

I am interested, but would like clarification on the US adaptor. It doesn't appear to be required to run the R1. Does or Will this impact the price?

There are posts where people have run it the other way. Tupsu would be the one to confirm about doing it this way.
I would make sure before I laid the money out, but even if I had to buy an s5+ or S7 controller it would be worth it to me.

If you have an S7 ordered you can certainly run them along with the S7 boards from the S7 controller.

I definitely remember someone posting recently they ran S5+ boards using the S5 firmware. I have little doubt what you want to do will work. Regarding chip communication, the string design, the hardware interface, it is all the same. The S5+ simply introduced more ports on the controller when discussing anything in the context of what you are doing.

If you know of someone selling S5+ hash boards please PM me as I am interested. I need to check out some places.

I edited my thanks post to mikestang above on this same page showing 5 different sticks running 5 different cgminers with 5 different frequencies.
I think each one will show you an average of what you can expect from each frequency. Phil's pic tomorrow will show that frequency as stable across multiple sticks.

If only I could in some way impact the decisions and ideals of bitmain the first thing would be to get sidehack some chips.
Bitmain is partying right now anyway. They won't remember anything by next Friday 

Hell, we should all be so fortunate to have the Chinese Holiday structure. It would give more time to play with bitmain miners.

In all seriousness I give bitmain hell because I expect more from them, but I will again say at least they are bringing us a product. No matter their faults, they have kept the decision to sell something many people can use in their homes. No other prior manufacturer has done that in a long time now. Personally I didn't count the latest Avalon or Sfards units. They were not priced for mass consumption. The S7 is a bit too much for batch one, but it is something that pushes the game forward. To me the SP20 and the S5 are the only products released to do the same.

I see a poll now to push bitmain to a year warranty. That is great and all, but unless you are actually in negotiations with bitmain regarding the warranty, asking for 365 is pie in the sky. People should put efforts towards honoring the current warranty without impossible restrictions. Bitmain are never going to change the 90 day except for big boy purchases where it is used as a sales tactic.

U for Usb, my bad
I didn't use common sense when perusing the readme.
Thanks Mikestang!

Edit:
I probably should have put this in the review thread, but it is here now. IF you guys think it makes any real difference tell me and I will move it.
To explain what I did with this information.
I placed one stick running at 125 in the Laptop USB port to maintain pool presence no matter what. This laptop has an LTE cell connection so if worse came to worse I am online when the bomb drops.
I placed 4 sticks spread out nicely in my 13 port hub.
Stick #2 is in slot 13 right next to the (charge only) port where I connect the arctic breeze blowing on stick #2.
Stick #2 is ran at 275 Mhz for about 12 hours with 0 hardware errors and I just bumped it up to 300.
The other 3, sticks #3, #4, and #5 are running at 250, 175, and 150 beautifully. The only one with a HW error is #3, and that is HW:2 in the same 12 hours. I am calling them all stable.

I run a separate cgminer instance for each one. Why?
I control each one independently. But why?
One reason is I do not have another fan to fit in this area comfortably yet and I want to overclock. So I keep the fan pointed straight on stick #2 while I have it connected to my usb power monitor. I can hold my fingers on it indefinitely at 300. I am pulling 1.36 amps @ 4.92 volts.
I think I am hitting the ceiling of where this hub will reach and be stable.

All of the other sticks stay operational, on the same PC, and I can do whatever I want with this one, or any other individual stick.
I have a Y cable I found on Amazon. IT wasn't an easy find, it was hard work, and cost me ten bucks, but I wanted it sooner than the slow boat from China. This one was prime as well, so no shipping and received it in two (actually three but I'm not arguing with them) business days. IT is supposed to be here tomorrow, and then I can really see whatsup. I will get another fan ready today.

At the moment I have them all set to balanced between ck solo and my main kano account, but this is only temporary fooling around because balanced has never worked as well as it should on my main mining rigs, so I do not expect it to start working now. By not working I mean if I add the hash from the two balanced pools I never reach what I get solo to either one. I plan to go back to a failover setting once I collect enough data to be happy with my theory that sticks suffer the same problem.

Overall, running the separate instance is giving me freedom with one good hub. Klintays hubs are probably better, I think they go to 2 amps per port if you do not populate them all, but again, once I made up my mind, I wanted it yesterday, so I went with this used Anker. Helluva deal, and it is USB3, which I know doesn't matter to most, but in my thinking true USB3 is future proof for other projects, provides 900 ma per port at the minimum. I am running it on a USB2 port on the same laptop stick #1 is running on.

This USB power measuring device has a reading in the bottom right corner and describes it as capacitance. I'm not sure what this is telling me yet. Don't get me wrong, I know what capacitance and a capacitor are, I simply do not know what they are telling me in this context, yet.
Here are some pics. The first is a bit blurry, sorry.







I want one of Klintays 19 port hubs and another 15 sticks to play with.
I am so jealous of you guys who were around during the days when this was the way to mine, or GPUs, or CPUs.
This is the kind of stuff that teaches people things, you never reach the end of possibilities due to your cash availability.
This can start someone down the road of dreaming big and eventually doing big, while providing the experience on a small scale.

For the young people out there, look at this as something to add to your arsenal of skill sets. The future is software and electronics engineering. Grab anything you love in either of those two fields and run with it.

As beautiful and captivating as the mona lisa.

What are the green colored things in the floor in front of the racks?

I think some people are pointing out the fact that even if an adaptor is needed you do not need to double the price of the R1 to get the one from bitmain. Get one locally if needed.

Someone here will get one when they get back from vacation and show us the pins and tell us the dimensions.
It would be nice if bitmain did such. I'm sure someone has asked them, right?

It is a thing many companies do. It is not uncommon for equipment to be sent and people declare it is warranty so some countries are cracking down on it and taxing it even if it is.

We get it taken from us here in the US as well, just in different ways.

When we ship to another country aside from Mexico or Canada if we do not fill out everything a certain way it can definitely cost the other company much more. On new Industrial Sales everything is always by the book. Start working with returns, repairs and warranty it gets in gray areas where some places (like Brazil) charge almost as much as new price for the repair. This is a piece of equipment they have already paid full tax to import.

To my knowledge we never do anything illegal, but I know many companies which have the product shipped to a border town, so they are obviously picking it up and handling any customs themselves, and I have no doubt that means none at all sometimes.

In the overall scheme it isn't worth it for a company but it still isn't unusual for BITMAIN to pick and choose when they wish to have the invoice state a specific amount.

Tax can make or break a business. Showing the amount exported and receiving those credits is what decides future import taxes and tariffs for others. Look at it this way, people think sharing a netflix account is / was not a big deal. They are streaming that signal anyway. But, when a hundred thousand people share with another hundred thousand that is twice as much traffic, so they need twice the hardware to host that traffic. (It is an analogy, not exact numbers)
In that case, someone is going to pay for it and the company has to decide if they are making enough to sustain the sharing, they have to increase the price of the product to sustain the sharing, they figure out a way to make sharing harder than paying the 8 bucks a month, or they get Big Brother involved to scare people for sharing, or they completely change their way of getting you that product to eliminate the sharing or get another way for you to pay, but somehow - some way someone is paying for the sharing.
Same with music, DVDs, etc, there will be a crackdown because countries will get sick of people manipulating the system and they will start prosecuting individuals and companies on a public stage. Companies just have to play the system, lobby the right people, and they won't be the company their Government decides to make an example of.

We see Little Johny on TV in shackles and cuffs:

Reporter: Mr. Officer what did Little Johny do?

Officer: He cheated on his VAT paperwork and we put people under the jail for such a serious offense. You must pay your tax!

Reporter: That doesn't sound so bad, everyone does it do they not? We have reported on companies doing this for many years, both large and small.

Officer: and he copied a DVD of The Little Mermaid on his computer.

Reporter: Keeeel him! I have the rope! That little MF, SOB##!@

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In my personal opinion, you cannot get mad at the drug dealer because he stops selling you drugs.
You cannot get mad because the boxer you paid to throw the fight last time won't do it for this fight.
I guess you can get mad about it, but you do not say it out loud, much less complain on a public forum. That is a conversation with someone else doing the same thing.

You shouldn't get mad when you marry a prostitute and you find out she is still turning tricks for blow a year later <-- wait that one doesn't quite fit, but I think most get the point.

Seriously, everything gets paid for in some way. IF you happen to wiggle through some fine print and get out of paying thousands of dollars where it was expected it begins to add up. Eventually, someone, somewhere is expecting that money to pay for something.
Where does the money come from to begin with? Taxes.
Who are they going to get the money to replace the missing money from? Taxes.
If the big corporation has to charge more for the product, or the farmer down the street more for their turnips, you are still going to pay more.

In a country like Brazil they have amazing power rates, but they also have 80% import taxes. Amazingly unfair amount it would seem, but, their economy will explain it.
Our prices here in the US have went crazy. You know when you buy certain food items how much it costs now versus 5 years ago, well, maybe that was because some companies have been cheating a bunch of other companies out of billions of dollars, but someone, somewhere is going to pay for it.   

Sure there are natural disasters, but guess what, yup taxes and your private money. Insurance, yup, they will pay for it, and then raise everyone's rates.

Besides, the big boys all over the world have to pat each other on the butt and scratch each others backs. They cannot do it for us little guys. It is too much of a risk, right?

+4.26% to + 4.50%

If you could put me down Phil I'd appreciate it.

I guess that is when we as individuals decide which is more important for the overall good of what bitcoin will be.
I sincerely hope bitcoin becomes a payment processing giant. I hope it moves financial resources from the existing group of people to a much larger one with more input and maybe even control over our economy on an individual scale. ...And at the end of my involvement be it through whatever means or reason that I can look at something which did not just touch a few lives, but changed the economic landscape to a system which spreads a positive influence over the planet, and maybe has some impact on people across the world so they might look at life choices and make a change just through their involvement with something so natural it should have been there since the dawn of the internet or in an even earlier form.

These petty arguments of XT and Non XT are a bump in the road, no, much smaller, a partial blip, a phantom appearance on the scope of where bitcoin has come from, much less where it will go.
This too shall come to pass and the secret sauce in BTC will shine through as it has in every other piece of widely debated topic.

I have to think that for every two of us, here, discussing this, that there are hundreds? thousands? of others out there without a care in the world today, simply singing along, and swiping whatever device they may decide to use in making a purchase with bitcoin. Even if by some way it is restricted to an online purchase only, everything is or will be online.
I do not believe XT will or will not break or even damage bitcoin. I do not think anyone can damage bitcoin anymore than they can the internet, today. I do believe in one corporation holds all of the hash and begins dictating terms which are similar to terms on other products it would be harmed. We are a long way from that, but we must keep in mind that very thing is the ultimate goal. No one is going to say such, but complete control guarantees just that and complete price control. No matter how sincere someone sounds when they say they do not want that, and they are playing on the large manufacturer level, then if they have a board they would be fired. It is the nature of the culture.

Edit because I had to:
I also believe bitcoin can grow differently. I think it can cause less collusion and more competition. bitcoin almost makes you trust your competitor even less. I've read how game theory applies and selecting the losing option for everyone is a possibility, but define everyone in that scenario. All of the manufacturers. It is possible they eat each other for a very long time and bitcoin thrives the way it should. Which, by the way it will never all be as Satoshi envisioned and started with. It sounds great and works in fantastic ways for the lifetime movie of the week, but Satoshi and most others realize technology grows in ways no one can predict in a long term manner with accuracy. It is a guess outside a few years with something in this realm, but the political choices made either enhance or begin breaking down core fundamentals and can drive some things the wrong direction given enough time. When few have the power and control, corruption reigns supreme through the input of those who want a piece of that control and ultimately power.