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2701  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: HashFast announces specs for new ASIC: 400GH/s on: December 11, 2013, 05:04:38 PM
so looks like they made there 400ghash mark. You sure its only 4 dies?

Yes it is 4 dies per "chip".  96 double nonce cores per die or 768 hashes per clock.

This is also clearly visible on the PCB photo.



The big brown square in the middle is the substrate which forms the base of the entire chip package.  The 4 squares on the substrate are the 4 dies.  Just about everything else on the green PCB is what is required to funnel that much power into that small chip.  I have to give them credit it is a pretty clean design.  There is a 6 pin PCIe power connector at each end of the board currently not populated in this photo.  Each half of the board essentially supplies power for two of the cores.  The heat sink mounting holes are standard (looks like Intel hole spacing) so any off the shelf cooling component could be used without any custom work needed.

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lets see if the keep the 500ghs overclockable. Would be nice to have a surprise and get 500ghs out of the box and 600 overclockable

As pointed out IF it is ~400 GH/s at 0.74V well that is incredibly low voltage.  0.85V would be 15% higher voltage, pushing it to 0.90V would be 22% higher.  Clock rate should scale at least linearly with voltage increase (probably super linearly) albeit at lower efficiency (J/GH).  I am not making a prediction on how much they can push it.  Remember power usage in semiconductors increases by the square of the voltage increase and the chip already uses a lot of power in a small package.  At some point you run into limits on how much power the PCB can deliver and how much power (heat) the cooling system can remove.

Still as tacotime pointed out the chip at 0.74V is a good sign.  If they were struggling to get 400 GH/s at 0.90V that would be a bad sign as they would already be pushing the limits of what the chip can handle.
2702  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: HashFast announces specs for new ASIC: 400GH/s on: December 11, 2013, 05:02:13 PM
never seen a 5 days shipping from usa to france , man ...

If you ship a package with DHL or UPS from the USA on Friday it's guaranteed to arrive on Monday in Brussels. France should not be any different. That is 4 days max (Friday evening pickup, Monday noon delivery)

The closer it gets to Christmas the more you can throw any express delivery dates out the window unfortunately.

Sadly true but after Christmas is a different story and that still gives them a couple days.  None of this excuses HashFast blatant lying on shipping timelines.  I am now convinced they knew from day 1 they had no chance of shipping before late late late December and simply lied to secure sales at a higher price point.  Hashfast would still have gotten sales but not at >$10 per GH/s if they were honest and gave a realistic shipping timeframe of mid to late Dec for Batch 1.   They lied in order to profit from their customers victims.  Pure and simple.
2703  Economy / Economics / Re: So, a guy paid with E-check. Should i be worried? on: December 11, 2013, 04:55:13 PM
Don't sell BTC for paypal/ebay. The only sure fire way to not get ripped off.

I would trust a e-check paypal transaction more than a credit card/debit card transaction through paypal, but I wouldn't trust paypal to begin with.

Yeah. I remember when somebody sent me an e-cheque on paypal years ago and it took ages to clear. Why couldn't he've just sent you the money via the regular paypal way? I'd stay well away from selling BTC or goods for Paypal. Far too easy for the seller to be scammed.

Hmm.. He just sent this message with a lot of bad spelling:
"hi i dont know what happened i just made payment... i made 2 purchases and this was third
so ebay made it so that it became echeque whcih sshould clear in 2-3 days...but i really need to get these coins right now... payment is made and will automaticaly clear by ebay and paypal.. and cant be canceled in process(unless cancled by u)
so i guess its safe
so  can u please transfer coins u payment will automaticaly clear  by max 16 as paypal says"


What can I do about this??  Shocked

Personally if I was you I wouldn't send the coins and just cancel the cheque and the listing. Tell him you can't accept a cheque as you need the money instantly and/or you've already sold the coins.


Well, that's where the problem comes in, cause I didn't know he payed by E-check 5 min after i sent the BTC.. :/
What happened was that I got the fine confirmation mail from ebay, saying that I had recieved the payment. 5 Min after i got the paypal mail saying he payed by E-check, something that had never happened before.
Ofc I wouldn't had sent the coins until the money was there if i knew that he payed with E-check at the first point!

So.. I have sent the coins, maybe I get my money maybe not, I know his real name, living place, etcetc. What do I do? Go to America?!  lol Tongue

If and when the funds do clear, withdraw the money straight to your bank account and just hope for the best. Hopefully he wont be a scammer. Keep us updated.



So, how can he "scam" me after the money is withdrawn to my bank account??

If the charge is disputed your PayPal balance will go negative.  PayPal will pull the funds back from your bank account, or send you to collections.  Even if they don't your account will be permanently suspended until you repay the negative balance.
2704  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How long until BTC gambling sides are shut down? on: December 11, 2013, 04:53:29 PM
They don't need to move to a tor/.onion-only site, just move their hosting/servers to a country that is fine with gambling.

Yeah ask Full Tilt Poker how well that strategy worked.
2705  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: which operations require the bitcoind wallet to be unlocked? on: December 11, 2013, 04:52:27 PM
getnewaddress will fail if the keypool (default 100 keys) is exhausted when you call it.  The keypool can only be refilled when the wallet is unlocked.  You can raise the size of the keypool if you anticipate this being a problem.
2706  Economy / Economics / Re: So, a guy paid with E-check. Should i be worried? on: December 11, 2013, 04:48:52 PM
You sure you know his real name, address, etc?  Or do you just know the name and address on a hacked PayPal account?

Hopefully you get lucky but trading with unknown/untrusted people using PayPal is stupid.  If you don't get robbed this time it is only a matter of time.
2707  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: 2 days solo mining easy difficulties but no coins on: December 11, 2013, 03:27:35 PM
The "new blocks" in cgminer don't mean you are finding a new block it means someone, somewhere on the network solved a block and cgminer is changing to build off that block.

Are you sure you have the hashing power to solo mine.

What is your expected time to solve a block?  If you don't know or don't know how to compute it you shouldn't be solo mining.
2708  Economy / Economics / Re: Close any accounts you have with JP Morgan Chase ASAP on: December 11, 2013, 07:20:33 AM
Their patent seems very vague, and could point directly to all cryptos.
Can they actually file a patent on something already in existence?
Or may be they are making a JP Coin?
100% pre-mined, host their own "miners" for transactions, and own their own exchange?

Have to wait and see...  Undecided


Why would you need miners?  Hint you wouldn't.
Why would you need full nodes?  Hint you wouldn't.
Why would you need a needlessly complex and costly peer to peer network?  Hint you wouldn't.

The blockchain, mining, peer validation, and all the complexity and cost that comes with it is the COST of having a decentralized network.  There is no point to a centralized, decentralized network.

If you want a centralized network a single computer w/ no mining could process 100x the transaction volume of the entire Bitcoin network.   Submit your txs to the ledger, get a confirmation.  Tada.  Nothing more is needed.
2709  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: BTC to USD to bank? (US) on: December 11, 2013, 07:06:35 AM
Same way you move any other Bitcoin.  You make a transaction sending x BTC to y address.  Any exchange will provide you a deposit address you use your wallet to send coins there.
2710  Economy / Speculation / Re: Okay, this has to be the top of the bounce. on: December 11, 2013, 07:00:25 AM
There were a bunch of clueless idiots at $266 that knew absolutely nothing about Bitcoin except it goes up and it makes you rich.  The idea that it was some group of intellectual elites is kinda funny.
2711  Economy / Economics / Re: What happens if traditional bankers kidnaps Bitcoin ? on: December 11, 2013, 06:39:34 AM
Lets destroy this thing by buying it up at insanely marked up prices and make the existing holders the new wealthy elite.

Doesn't really sound like the best plan does it?
2712  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: Estimate of ASIC pre-orders: 13 to 15 PH/s (diff 1.8B to 2.1B) by end of 2013 on: December 11, 2013, 06:24:04 AM
Well it looks like Cointerra will miss.  Hashfast is unknown.  Not sure how much of KNC Nov run is left but I would guess it is mostly complete.  My guestimate was ~2 PH/s and we saw a nice bump from 5 PH/s to > 7 PH/s between 5 DEC and today.   My assumption is most of that is KNC "Nov run".  If Hashfast misses we probably are going to come in under 1.8 PH by end of year.

Nobody else appears to be shipping in the volume necessary to move the needle.  I mean at 7 PH/s even dropping a PH/s on the network is barely a 15% increase in diff and that would need to be a pretty fast rollout to happen in one adjustment.

I think 1.4 to 1.8 billion difficulty by end of year is more likely.  Beyond that into 2014 it becomes harder to guess.  January & February is likely going to be brutal between HashFast (batch 1, 2, MPP and upgrades), Cointerra (batch 1 & 2), plus the maybe BFL Monarch near the end of February.  If BFL misses I think difficulty doubling is likely.  If BFL ships in volume it probably will be more like triple.  Beyond that I think the adjustments are going to slow down but really going more than 2 months out is just a guess anyways.
  
2713  Economy / Speculation / Re: The Bounce is Official on: December 11, 2013, 05:33:27 AM
Yes it means it takes less volume to move the price up.  So yes it is bullish as long as the trend holds and when it doesn't hold there really isn't an conviction in that movement so those gains will evaporate in the blink of an eye as the price falls until it reaches support (which is usually where there was sustained upward movement on higher volume).

So easy come, easy go.

Also keep an eye on future volume uptrends often will wimper out on fading volume so if the price keeps moving up and the volume keeps moving down that is generally an indicator of a reversal.  The reverse is true in a crash, near the bottom of a crash volume will often explode to the upside.  This is the capitulation when the weak hands who held all the way down throw in the towel.  An outsized volume followed by falling volume and a reverse in direction is a good indicator the crash is over.

Remember these are just signs.  Things to look for and say "hmm" they aren't magic and they aren't always right but in mass humans are often predictable.  Rapid price gains on low volume make me doubt the underlying trend in the short term and I will keep an eye on it for other indicators.
2714  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How long until BTC gambling sides are shut down? on: December 11, 2013, 05:30:23 AM
Then they move to an onion site and resume.

I'm not quite sure why everyone says gambling sites need to move to Tor / .onion.

There are thousands of gambling sites running quite legally on the normal web. Nobody has taken these down. Nobody is going to take down bitcoin-based gambling sites if they are hosted in a gambling-friendly country.

Some may but excluding US players requires identifying your customers.  Think that is going to be popular with bitcoin players.   Also being in a gambling friendly country is not a magic bullet if you let US players play, just ask Full Tilt Poker (google poker black friday).
2715  Economy / Speculation / Re: The Bounce is Official on: December 11, 2013, 05:24:43 AM
Is the price going up?  Probably but higher volume shows higher conviction in the movement.  If it was moving up under high volume I would be more suprised with it flash tanking back to $600 or something like that.   If it moves up rapidly on low volume it really shows no conviction in the price movement.  It means a few trades and potentially a wide spread it all it takes to move the price up.  It doesn't mean a massive number of players are "betting" massive sums on their conviction that the trend is sustainable. 

Easy up = (potentially) easy down.

For the record before I get flamed I am not saying dump it all, it is going to crash, you should short it, or some magical line told me we are going to $671.38 within 48 hours.   I don't try to day trade the market.  Just pointing out that a lack of volume indicates a lack of conviction, a lack of support or base and like before if it reverses it is going to free fall.
2716  Economy / Speculation / Re: The Bounce is Official on: December 11, 2013, 05:11:49 AM
Take a look at the volume on the red candles compared to the reversal and uptrend.  I am not saying it won't go up further, it certain may but for me an increase in the green candle volume would improve my confidence that the leg up is sustainable. Show me a run of green candles with volume spiking to where the red candles and it will remove all my doubts.
2717  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: power bills on: December 11, 2013, 05:03:52 AM
A correction on outlet (or technically branch circuit) limits.

In the US the nominal voltage is actually 120V (or 240V) not 110V however the NEC for fire safety derates continual loads (like a miner running 24/7) to 80% of circuit peak capacity.

So for continual loads the usable wattage by outlet type:
NEMA 5-15 120V 15A 120*15*0.8 = 1440W "normal outlet"
NEMA 5-20 120V 20A 120*20*0.8 = 1920W
NEMA 6-15 240V 15A 240*15*0.8 = 2880W
NEMA 6-20 240V 15A 240*20*0.8 = 3840W
NEMA 6-30 240V 15A 240*30*0.8 = 5760W

Yeah I have a pair of NEMA L6-30R outlets I installed myself but then again I am kinda crazy.   Unless you have strong confidence in your electrical skill I would recommend having a qualified electrician do the work.   It isn't rocket science but electricity can kill ... the very first time.  

Still nothing like having 11.5 KW of juice for miners.  The power cable on the 30A PDU (high current power strip) is about 1/2" thick.  You could probably secure a boat to a dock with it.  Smiley  The "L" just means locking connectors, same power rating but once you insert the plug you rotate it to lock it into place.  This makes it a little safer when dealing with high current, no chance of creating an arc flash by tripping over the cord and ripping it out of the socket while under load.




2718  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: will high value wallets eventually be targeted and cracked? on: December 11, 2013, 04:55:59 AM
I think it's very easy to steal someone else's BTC just get an address of someone who sells you some ask em how many they have left get their address go to their house and steal them. That being said why would you do that anyways sense you would be locked up and not be able to spend them?

This is why you shouldn't reuse addresses.  The system tries to protect users from themselves.  The coin selecting algorithm will attempt to find inputs which cover the tx.  So my wallet could have 1,000 BTC but the inputs used to pay you 9.5 BTC may only have 9.7 BTC in value with the 0.2 BTC excess change going to a new address.  There is nothing which indicates the true value of the wallet.

Reusing addresses and consolidating balances into single large addresses works against the system as designed.
2719  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: will high value wallets eventually be targeted and cracked? on: December 11, 2013, 04:47:10 AM
Had I known my quote would continually be used in the graphic for these types of threads I would have asked the person who turned it into a graphic (love the sun image BTW) to let me fix the horrible phrasing before it gained a life of its own.
2720  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Will all bitcoins be mined? on: December 11, 2013, 04:43:32 AM
I am new to this so might be a dumb question. I am wondering if all bitcoins will be mined? I have read that its not worth mining anymore for people with standard computers because it's too hard, better mine litecoins. What happens when it becomes even harder? In six months when the difficulty is even harder it may not be worth all the electricity keeping the stuff running.

Is it even worth getting the mining computers for $5k+ anymore?

The system is continually rebalancing.  If it becomes too "hard" some miners will quit (those with the highest cost and least efficient gear), when they do difficulty will fall and remaining miners will earn more.  Of course that lower difficulty will bring in new miners who will drive it back up.

There can never be a scenario where nobody mines because it is too hard.  If less people (or hashpower) is mining then difficulty will get easier not harder.
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