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461  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: [Group Buy] .5BTC = 2.24Gh/s KNCminer Saturns [Live] 5 Sold [Selling Saturn #6] on: June 19, 2013, 09:10:40 PM
5 btc for 10 shares on the way

Transaktions-ID: fce214cd6790402b672deb54429bc71a2188525f13fe4ec48d2b2df1b7a2fb3f

Confirmed TY 4 Tip! 20 Shares left on Machine 6!
462  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: [Group Buy] .5BTC = 2.24Gh/s KNCminer Saturns [Live] 5 Sold [Selling Saturn #6] on: June 19, 2013, 04:54:58 PM
If you want to add a fee for your time and efforts involved with the admin side of things then I have no issues with that, but id have to say that 30% really is a high mark up do you not agree? 2.5 - 5% would be a more reasonable figure for a fee like that I believe, if you were to add a fee on id be more than comfortable if it was only between 2 and 5% instead of hitting 30%. But its your group of course and you can rule with an iron fist if you wished to, I know I would Smiley

This is simply to clear up anything that may comeup once we get the ball rolling.

I may not even sell my shares for this groupbuy but it would be nice to have the option to sale them for a quick turnaround should the opportunity arise at a later date.

Make it so number one Wink glad to be part of this group.





Let it be done. Like I said 30% is just to discourage people from selling it but yes we are all in this for profit. I will add 5% fee if you want to sell your shares!
463  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: [Group Buy] .5BTC = 2.24Gh/s KNCminer Saturns [Live] 5 Sold [Selling Saturn #6] on: June 19, 2013, 02:06:26 PM
Coinhoarders groupbuy allows buying and selling of shares with the greatest of ease. The only thing he is responsible for is to update the buyers dividend address, simple dont you think?

Seeing as you did not have those terms listed on our orignal contract here on the OP do you think its fair to enforce that rule regarding the 30% fee. I really hope you decide to waive it, otherwise I would like to ask for a refund. Nothing against your group buy, its just im in this to make gains, not losses.

Thanks

I did not enforce it but yes tell me what you think is fair for all and I will make it so! Smiley

btw thanks for those who tipped!
464  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: [Group Buy] .5BTC = 2.24Gh/s KNCminer Saturns [Live] 5 Sold [Selling Saturn #6] on: June 19, 2013, 12:29:24 PM
Whats this groups policy on transferring or selling shares?

Allowed, not allowed? Has anyone asked this yet?

Good question. I did not mention here but in the contract with people I know IRL I stated that you can forfeit your shares anytime or sell them at 30% fee. This is to discourage selling because I will be handling a lot of machines and a lot of shareholders.

Updated!


6th KnC Saturn:

  • Isotactic - .5 BTC - 1 Share
  • peterlex - 5 BTC - 10 Shares
  • Grim - .5 BTC - 1 Share
  • minerpumpkin - 2 BTC - 4 Shares
  • artcontr - 3.5 - 7 Shares
  • rro - .5 - 1 Share

Total:
24 / 78 Shares
465  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: [Group Buy] .5BTC = 2.24Gh/s KNCminer Saturns [Live] 4 Sold [Selling Saturn #5] on: June 18, 2013, 11:37:14 PM
sorry no reserves it's gotta be first come first serve to get things moving.
But I paid last night for one share... you even confirmed it. What's the deal?!

Here's the post in question:
The money is sent and now I'm down to 10mBTC (I've never had more than a Bitcoin anyways), so hopefully it went through! One share from 19mWxAPoMYDLTweKkrQcwJWb6DxYzULw7U.

I really hope this went through right.

EDIT: Transaction ID is f8281c2c199f503328701480353feec461cb591b8a33068bfb6c1e6c79448450-000

Got it. I will put you on 5th now and move you up if it becomes available. But like someone stated it won't matter much

fixed read PM
466  Bitcoin / Group buys / Re: [Group Buy#1] Avalon ASICs CHIPS! Using JohnK as escrow! FINISHED! on: June 18, 2013, 11:05:08 PM
I have personally PM'd everyone for the new submission form. Sample chips should be here soon. I will snap a few pics and ship it as soon as it gets here. Hell I might even make the UPS guy take it Tongue
467  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: [Group Buy] .5BTC = 2.24Gh/s KNCminer Saturns [Live] 4 Sold [Selling Saturn #5] on: June 18, 2013, 11:03:47 PM
Last share bought (0.5 BTC)
txid: b8b43f543b334d70e9d3d7205df32d144ff71a7dc9a939a97a251de6a4625a77
Please confirm.

Used same sending-address as for share on 2nd miner

gotcha!

Let's get the ball rollin' for 6th machine!

5th KnC Saturn:
  • marlo_brando - 1 BTC - 2 Shares
  • stevenroose - 4 BTC - 8 Shares
  • ilpirata79 - 5 BTC - 10 Shares
  • arrewinki - 4 BTC - 8 Shares
  • fydel - 4 BTC - 8 Shares
  • dex1 - 3 BTC - 6 Shares
  • anonymousDIEGOs - 5 BTC - 10 Shares
  • glendall - 3 BTC - 6 Shares
  • Choadmeyer - $250 + tip - 5 Shares (paypal)
  • yuansuyi - 1 BTC - 2 Shares
  • td204 - .5 BTC -1 Share
  • bowen151 - 6 BTC - 12 Shares

Total:
78 / 78 Shares
Umm... shouldn't I be on there somewhere?

sorry no reserves it's gotta be first come first serve to get things moving.


What about my request of the order Number?

No sorry too much security issues if released to anyone :/

Transaction ID: 4e74f34cd59aed82c1b7cd228972090a1732e26aa4e605a2a895ba6917624c08

0.5 btc sent

Thanks for getting the ball rolling.


6th KnC Saturn:

  • Isotactic - .5 BTC - 1 Share
  • peterlex - 5 BTC - 10 Shares
  • Grim - .5 BTC - 1 Share

Total:
12 / 78 Shares
468  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: [Group Buy] .5BTC = 2.24Gh/s KNCminer Saturns [Live] 4 Sold [Selling Saturn #5] on: June 18, 2013, 03:47:55 PM
Last share bought (0.5 BTC)
txid: b8b43f543b334d70e9d3d7205df32d144ff71a7dc9a939a97a251de6a4625a77
Please confirm.

Used same sending-address as for share on 2nd miner

gotcha!

Let's get the ball rollin' for 6th machine!

5th KnC Saturn:
  • marlo_brando - 1 BTC - 2 Shares
  • stevenroose - 4 BTC - 8 Shares
  • ilpirata79 - 5 BTC - 10 Shares
  • arrewinki - 4 BTC - 8 Shares
  • fydel - 4 BTC - 8 Shares
  • dex1 - 3 BTC - 6 Shares
  • anonymousDIEGOs - 5 BTC - 10 Shares
  • glendall - 3 BTC - 6 Shares
  • Choadmeyer - $250 + tip - 5 Shares (paypal)
  • yuansuyi - 1 BTC - 2 Shares
  • td204 - .5 BTC -1 Share
  • bowen151 - 6 BTC - 12 Shares

Total:
78 / 78 Shares
469  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: [Group Buy] .5BTC = 2.24Gh/s KNCminer Saturns [Live] 4 Sold [Selling Saturn #5] on: June 18, 2013, 03:16:22 PM
In for 12 shares

 Pm'd you my details

confirmed!

1 more share left for 5th machine!
470  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: [Group Buy] .5BTC = 2.24Gh/s KNCminer Saturns [Live] 4 Sold [Selling Saturn #5] on: June 18, 2013, 02:58:38 PM
So you have already bougth the 5th miner?
regards,
ilpirata79

Just paid today.

Why did you pay in advance?
Regards,
ilpirata79

Because the faster you pay the more ahead of the queue you are ...

Rates will change for 6th machine if BTC keeps on changing
471  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: [Group Buy] .5BTC = 2.24Gh/s KNCminer Saturns [Live] 4 Sold [Selling Saturn #5] on: June 18, 2013, 01:19:22 PM
I'm worried that these won't be very profitable by the time that they arrive. There's some super powerful chips being developed. Such as combined 1TH/s. Or $5/1GH units, which I think is somewhere around 4x more profitable than these shares, but good luck getting one these super rigs!

Some people still mine with GPUs so we should be good... 175gh/s @ 500w Smiley Confirmed above.

Someone finish up machine 5!+

5th KnC Saturn:
  • marlo_brando - 1 BTC - 2 Shares
  • stevenroose - 4 BTC - 8 Shares
  • ilpirata79 - 5 BTC - 10 Shares
  • arrewinki - 4 BTC - 8 Shares
  • fydel - 4 BTC - 8 Shares
  • dex1 - 3 BTC - 6 Shares
  • anonymousDIEGOs - 5 BTC - 10 Shares
  • glendall - 3 BTC - 6 Shares
  • Choadmeyer - $250 + tip - 5 Shares (paypal)
  • yuansuyi - 1 BTC - 2 Shares

Total:
65 / 78 Shares
472  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: [Group Buy] .5BTC = 2.24Gh/s KNCminer Saturns [Live] 4 Sold [Selling Saturn #5] on: June 18, 2013, 02:32:50 AM
You're welcome. Welcome to bitcoin community. My your stay be long and prosperous.

Regarding your question, I hope you did read up on everything. If not you may be surprised to know that there is no firm shipping date. They say 'September' but if they actually ship that month it will practically be a first and I would count it as an unexpected bonus. edit: when I say 'they' I mean KNCMiner, not ragingazn628.

I think October is optimistic and November is more likely for us not in the first 500.  But it's possible I'm just a pessimist after still waiting for my Avalon to arrive months later...

Thank you Glendall. Everyone is taking a risk. I remember when I had the chance to order Avalon Batch 1 but decided it was a scam so I didn't follow through. How my life could have changed Sad
473  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: [Group Buy] .5BTC = 2.24Gh/s KNCminer Saturns [Live] 4 Sold [Selling Saturn #5] on: June 18, 2013, 01:55:10 AM
The money is sent and now I'm down to 10mBTC (I've never had more than a Bitcoin anyways), so hopefully it went through! One share from 19mWxAPoMYDLTweKkrQcwJWb6DxYzULw7U.

I really hope this went through right.

Got it. I will put you on 5th now and move you up if it becomes available. But like someone stated it won't matter much
474  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: [Group Buy] .5BTC = 2.24Gh/s KNCminer Saturns [Live] 4 Sold [Selling Saturn #5] on: June 18, 2013, 01:47:29 AM
as will your power bill haha
If I had any liquid assets Id buy in, but mine are all tied into securities Sad

The fee will be 2% of your profit + (expenses include but are not limited to, electricity, repairs, shipping, taxes etc.)

Power bill goes up but everyone's paying Smiley

I PMed you to reserve a spot on the 4th ASIC, but you didn't put me on the list. I'll send you .5BTC for one share as soon as I see my name on the register.

You might be in luck because there is one partial payment for .5 BTC if he doesn't send the BTC then you can take that spot. From now on it will be first come first serve. Sorry I missed your PM the first time.
475  Bitcoin / Group buys / Re: [Group Buy#1] Avalon ASICs CHIPS! Using JohnK as escrow! FINISHED! on: June 17, 2013, 10:44:25 PM
Also curious to know the plan with the chips

My understanding is there are 30 sample chips for every 10k order, so every 333.33.. chips would get 1 sample chip, if divided evenly.

[ I think we don't want to go old-testament style "the chip shall be cut in two and each person shall receive half" ]

I've purchased 572 chips from batch #1 (252 from atcsecure, 320 from dserrano5, both transactions posted publically, confirmed by original owner, and raginazn himself)

I am an EE with access to a lot of nice test equipment and plan on having my Klondike-16 boards assembled by a local professional PCB Assembly (P&P + Reflow with Pb63Sn37 solder) company I've worked with and can get boards made very fast.  I'd like to get one or two of the sample chips to test and publish for everyone's knowledge the results of these tests before the full batches ship in July:

* The Klondike-16 design as-is (P&P files, Solder Paste locations -- especially the QFN pad, Solder paste stencil thickness, etc) as populated by an outsourced assembly house
* The standard functionality of the boards (with a single chip, my understanding is the design will work with any number of chips, might need to tweak the firmware).  Hash rate, power draw.  Power draw of ASIC at various clock and hash rates.
* Thermal analysis of the board.  With various heatsink, without a heatsink, with various heatsinks with poor mechanical connection (I'll watch the temp closely so it doesn't overheat and damage the chip), with and without forced airflow.
* Overclocking.  I can modify the design, change out clock sources, modify the settings on the PLL on the chip(s).  Am very curious to see what these chips are capable of with proper cooling.  I would not be surprised to see 20, maybe 30%+ better performance.  I do not think the current 282MH/sec is a thermal limit, but I can't know for sure until i can play with it.  Similar to thermal analysis, I'll keep the chip within acceptable operating range.  I don't want to blow anything up until we have a lot more information.  Especially with only the one chip.
* Affects of the above on the power requirements (increased current on the 1.2V line, perhaps above 2A/chip.  Possibly need for additional decoupling capacitance on the chips.  Oscope measurements, Spectrum analyzer (depending on if there is harmonics or noise coupling onto the Vcc plane(s)).
* After the above, some modifications to the design to support overclocking.  -- While at this time I believe there is a good amount of headroom on these chips, the current design, both Avalon's official reference and Klondikes, provides exactly the max current spec for the chips (i.e. 32A @ 1.2V for 16 chips, each rated for 2A max.)  I expect that OC'ing will push this beyond, something i'll confirm with power/current measurements when OC'ing.  (Will report Clock freq, Hash rate, Current draw, Temperature, Heatsinking methods used, etc.)


If i happen to get more than 1 (i have some chips in other orders), I will probably have multiple PCB assemblies built up, each with 1 chip.  This will help to verify a tiny bit better the yields of the assembly, which in theory should be very high.  But there would be nothing worse than suddenly realizing that 50% of the boards are scrap.  If i get say, 4, i will have 2x boards with 1 chip and 1x board with 2 chips made.

Of course we want to check to make sure that a board with say, 16x chips works of course. But i expect that BkkCoins will be getting several dozen chips from various people, so he should be able to take care of that.

Quoting my old post ITT.  

Would i be able to get one (or dare i say two, if people don't mind?  I'd be more than willing to buy out the remainder or whatever for a few engineering prototype samples.) of the sample chips? (I've got 572 chips from batch #1, which would be ~1.71  sample chips)).  I would like to be able to test these things on the K16 assembly (specifically the OC'ability and thermal analysis and limits), and of course publish and share the results.

I may be able to get another sample chip through a different group buy, but with more than one i can dedicate a PCB assembly to a long-duration burn-in test (say +10/20% OC) and i can feel free to quite literally kill a chip or two with some absurd OC'ing/undervolting/etc -- since i'll only be putting 1 of 16 chips on the PCB assemblies for these tests.



Definitely. I can add your 1 to the 8 and send 9.
476  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: [Group Buy] .5BTC = 2.24Gh/s KNCminer Saturns [Live] 4 Sold [Selling Saturn #5] on: June 17, 2013, 10:42:21 PM
How many Saturn's are you getting in total?  Or is it dependent on demand?

Dependent on demand. The more the better. My 2% fee will add up Smiley
477  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: [Group Buy] .5BTC = 2.24Gh/s KNCminer Saturns [Live] 4 Sold [Selling Saturn #5] on: June 17, 2013, 10:22:30 PM
So you have already bougth the 5th miner?
regards,
ilpirata79

Just paid today.
478  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: [Group Buy] .5BTC = 2.24Gh/s KNCminer Saturns [Live] 4 Sold [Selling Saturn #5] on: June 17, 2013, 08:47:22 PM
Can you please post a final list of the shareholders of machine 4 along with an screen capture of your order of the machine?

Thanks

Sure.



4th KnC Saturn:
  • tomywomy - 2 BTC - 4 Shares
  • COINPRADER - .5 BTC -1 Share
  • control-z - 1 BTC - 2 Shares
  • MrSwordFish - 1 BTC - 2 Shares (paid .5 BTC partial)
  • themgp - 5 BTC - 10 Shares
  • dc81 - 2.5 BTC - 5 Shares
  • mik3 - 10 BTC - 20 Shares
  • echris1 - 2.5 BTC - 5 Shares
  • counter - .5 BTC - 1 Share
  • Abandon - 1.5 BTC - 3 Shares
  • nicksmith - 8.5 BTC - 17 Shares
  • anonymousSEBBY  - 4 BTC - 8 Shares -

Total:
78 / 78 Shares

----

added you glendall!
479  Bitcoin / Group buys / Re: [Group Buy#1] Avalon ASICs CHIPS! Using JohnK as escrow! FINISHED! on: June 17, 2013, 08:21:23 PM
Keep us updated on if you can get them mounted successfully and built in house in CT!

Thanks! Also I just called "Gary" again to ask where the sample chips were and he said they were still in customs and should clear soon...  I hope it works out a lot faster when the huge batch comes... if not I kinda befriended him a bit so it should go smooth.
480  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: [Group Buy] .5BTC = 2.24Gh/s KNCminer Saturns [Live] 4 Sold [Selling Saturn #5] on: June 17, 2013, 01:43:41 PM
How many Knc saturn u want to buy.

It is has a limit ?

Currently no limit. The room I am currently renovating is huge (about 700 SQFT give or take) so it will be able to house all of these machines. I will make sure there are enough amps for them as well.
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