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901  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Why do people still play dice? on: August 11, 2015, 10:37:59 AM
the only reason I can think of is 'Fast'

just 1 click then you know your result.

Fast for you to lose i guess? Im pretty sure most people dont understand the math behind it and they just fall into the gamblers fallacy, otherwise there is really no point in playing dice or for the matter any other casino game, at least some of the others can be fun
902  Economy / Speculation / Re: Down we go - sorry I was wrong on: August 10, 2015, 10:40:19 AM
Noone wants "cheap" coins for $265...

Down we go again. Hopefully people will like coins for $250 or less.

I'll like coins at 200$ this is my buy-target, meanwhile i'm waiting.....it will happen!

?? How can you be sure that buying at 200$ would result in a profit later on? If the price goes down constantly it probably means that it will still go down even more so i would be really careful to buy bitcoins at 200$ just because they are worth 200
903  Economy / Gambling / Re: Bitcoin Soccer Games on: August 10, 2015, 10:36:12 AM
Do you mean playing soccer online 1 vs 1? Because im not understanding exactly what you mean, pvp soccer would be a good idea but hard to make and to sustain since it would need a lot of active players to work
904  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin Faucets - how much do those sites make in ad revenue? on: August 10, 2015, 10:32:57 AM
Thanks for your response. Mind if I ask a few more questions?

So the site owner can choose if they want to get paid per ad click or page views? And that it can pay from $0.50 to a few dollars per day.

IF we use freebitco.in as an example...and if that site uses the payment per 1000 page views model, the minimum amount paid out from the faucet for 1000 page views is about $1.85 (assuming a $265 bitcoin price AND that the minimum faucet payout is 700 satoshi). So that site needs to get more than $1.85 or 1,000 times the minimum faucet payout to potentially break even on their venture.

What's the average pay rate for the 1,000 page views pay model?

Dollars a day doesn't seem worth it. And maybe this was your point...giving me enough info to satisfy my question and keep me concluding that it's not worth my time.

It´s worth the time and money if you do it right, freebitco.in has a lot of other advertising ways like you can buy an ad on their webpage, they also get paid by google or depending on what company they decided to use, google pays a lot more for clicks than views, obviously they get a lot of money and they are profiting from it, they have a dice game as well so people lose more money there.
905  Economy / Services / Re: ITOP will use bitcoin payment Escrow service, any recommendations? on: August 10, 2015, 09:39:30 AM
Are you looking for an ´´automatic´´ escrow service or just for some trusted people to act as escrow, personally the second option might be better but harder to use
906  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Why do people still play dice? on: August 10, 2015, 09:37:20 AM
I dont play dice, not anymore, i believe blackjack or poker is way more fun and it´s not just a number appearing on the screen, there is also real strategy unlike dice which is based only on luck, playing dice would only lead to losing money

BJ has more edge, anyway. Playing BJ isn't a positive EV thing.

And wait.. BJ and Poker doesn't need luck Huh
Cards have numbers appearing on them too. Grin

Edit: I meant BJ in online bitcoin not in RL.

Bj and poker are fun, its not just a random number appearing on the screen, of course they are all negative expected value but it does require some skill, you can have lower edge on bj if you play correctly
907  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: How 999dice.com is stealing your coins, and exactly why you won't believe me on: August 10, 2015, 09:35:50 AM
The thread is too long to read, so does whatever OP says still hold true? or was it disproved (that seems unlikely)?

Nothing seems to have changed and it still requires a click to see the hash, and everything is vague.
I anyway, tried it with a small deposit and lost it, tho that doesn't mean anything..

IMO, 999dice is highly suspicious, and doesn't seem to be provably fair.

Well all his accusations have strong evidence behind them, unfortunately its impossible to prove if they are indeed cheating, more or less like dadice case where they didnt want to show the cold wallet and now people is calling them scammers.
908  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Dice game strategy? on: August 10, 2015, 06:20:03 AM
So just play these game with free coins, do not deposit to it for playing.
well its actually not a strategy at first, also it is more like abusing a faucet that the casino provides so that isnt too good and you cant win big ammounts with pennies they give you

I was able to turn the 250sat faucet from pd into .06btc, it take for a long time but it was worth it. There is why faucet farmers tend to abuse the faucet coz they're are making good money out of it.

Lies, you would lose eventually, you just got lucky, having faucet money doesnt give any better opportunities of winning, in fact its just a waste of time

I didn't said anything about giving a better chance of winning. Don't put words into my mouth

If do not believe me turning 250sat into a .06btc, well its not my problem.

You said ´´There is why faucet farmers tend to abuse the faucet coz they're are making good money out of it.´´ Implying you will win money implying you have a better chance of winning, using faucet money won´t increase your chances and you turning 250 satoshis into 0.06 btc is pure luck and could have happened with your own money as well
909  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Why do people still play dice? on: August 10, 2015, 06:14:28 AM
I used to play dice because i thought i could make profit, stable profit from it, obviously i was wrong, you can't win in the long term, that was my only purpose of playing dice, other than that i do not find it fun or entertaining unless im winning money, i would not play dice if money was not involved, so my question is, why people still play? Im sure 90% of people know what your odds are and that strategies don't work, what is their purpose? Do you guys really have fun playing dice? Watching a number appear on the screen?


Well watching a number appear on the screen is pretty much any online gambling and in fact a lot of offline gambling as well. Sure, they take different forms, but in the end its the same result. Even with lotteries, numbers get drawn, sure maybe a fancy ping-pong ball machine for some entertainment is involved, but in the end they display the numbers on a screen and that's that, win or lose. Same with most slot machines and electronic devices, the random numbers behind the scenes may display as cards or cherry's or take some other form, but most of the time it boils down to some random number being drawn.

As far as your argument that you can't win in the long term that is true for just about all gambling as well. All casinos have the house edge, or they would not stay in business. State lottery's have a huge edge in that they only pay out 50-60% of what they take in to begin with. So unless you are that lucky guy who just bought one lottery ticket in his life and won the grand prize, you will come out losing in the long term. I know people who have won lesser amounts ($50,000-$250,000) and over the long term they have probably gambled all their winnings back.

In the end most people play for the entertain value and "rush" that gambling can bring. If done in moderation I liken it to being no different than spending my entertainment dollars elsewhere. A dinner and a movie, a round of golf, a day at the amusement park, many of these activities will set you back over $100. If you spend $100 a week or so gambling, really no harm done, and even if you lose over time it is still fun in the moment when you do win.

Basically it sounds like you need to find a different game than dice. However, I think most any gambling games are really not that fun unless you are winning money.

I dont play dice, not anymore, i believe blackjack or poker is way more fun and it´s not just a number appearing on the screen, there is also real strategy unlike dice which is based only on luck, playing dice would only lead to losing money
910  Other / Off-topic / Re: What's the best way to keep your pc secured? on: July 28, 2015, 08:46:55 AM
Buy a proper antivirus programm like Kaspersky. you can also add a maleware programm.

but in the end you are the main source to keep your pc secure.

dont store large amounts of BTC on your pc.

Im thinking of making a super secure pc for that specifically, storing bitcoins and trading with them, minimize the chances of getting infected by viruses, i would only browse exchanges and few btc related webpages, i would not download anything besides btc client related. I think this way i can be almost 100% safe, the only possibility would be the exchanges to get hacked right?
911  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Why do people still play dice? on: July 28, 2015, 08:44:31 AM
And another reason why people still play dice because they didn't know how to play other gambling options. Dice doesn't need a long tutorial to play.
and doesn't need wait too long for they steal your money  Grin

i still play dice because of the low house edge under 1% playing dice soon will be ev+

Obviously dice will never be ev+ that makes no sense, it's impossible otherwise casinos would just lose money, see this is the problem i have, that some people still don't know how casinos work, even these days which is incredible.
912  Other / Off-topic / What's the best way to keep your pc secured? on: July 27, 2015, 01:45:39 PM
I am going to buy a new pc soon enough and i was wondering what should i do to be safe and secure, any programs, tricks or things that i shouldn't do?
913  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Why do people still play dice? on: July 27, 2015, 01:21:58 PM
Firstly, dice doesn't need your analysis, it is not blackjack or sports betting, it is a pure luck game.

Secondly, dice has lower house edge compared to slots, or other casino games, except blackjack and some kinds of high payout video poker.

Thirdly, auto bet and faucet is beneficial for players, better than other games which don't have auto bet and faucet.

Just help me understand, would you play dice without real money? Im pretty sure you wont.
914  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Why do people still play dice? on: July 27, 2015, 01:01:32 PM
Its a dice!! thats its, provably fair and its fun too hehehe. Ya will lose but i like the winning percentage can be change

What do you find fun about playing virtual dice? I mean you are just looking at the screen watching a random number appear, i can't seem to understand how that can be fun for people, besides the obvious reason which is to win money.
915  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Why do people still play dice? on: July 27, 2015, 12:31:25 PM
It's addictive, same as asking why people bet on the horses, sports and so on.  The illusive 'big win'

Not the same thing tho, dice is mathematically impossible to beat in the long term, sports can be profitable for some people so is definitely not the same thing, people can get stable profit from it.
916  Economy / Gambling discussion / Why do people still play dice? on: July 27, 2015, 10:45:31 AM
I used to play dice because i thought i could make profit, stable profit from it, obviously i was wrong, you can't win in the long term, that was my only purpose of playing dice, other than that i do not find it fun or entertaining unless im winning money, i would not play dice if money was not involved, so my question is, why people still play? Im sure 90% of people know what your odds are and that strategies don't work, what is their purpose? Do you guys really have fun playing dice? Watching a number appear on the screen?
917  Economy / Economics / Re: How too get rich on: July 27, 2015, 10:41:08 AM
i would to share how too get rich :
1. investation in capital market
2. investation in property
3.dont scared to started from ZERO
thats all...

I like number 3 Smiley
don't scared to started from zero Smiley
yes the most common mistake people to succeed are lazy or scare to start
its good if you are starting from Zero then you don't have to scared because you have nothing for lost and if you going with positive mind then you must win
Hahaha , thats right bro, if you start well from zero bro? Can you give me tips how to starting from zero? Can you give examples of the impact of people who do not start from zero?

Can you amswer that?
I personally start from zero just have computer one year done work with captcha typing now in last one year doing with bitcoin and my account in Cryptsy filled with 1 btc I never deposit any amount from my pocket just all from some good faucets and trading even 3 exchanges run with good amount of money but I am still doing good

But you still have the computer and a house, electricity... etc etc Starting from zero, really from zero would mean to live on the street and start from there which is insanely hard but not impossible, there is a story of someone that actually was a millionaire after living on the street.
918  Economy / Speculation / Re: BTC-E crash to $150! on: July 27, 2015, 10:39:27 AM


You are talking about a lot of things here but why would they mess up with your trades? What do they win by doing that? Absolutely nothing as far as i understand it. I have been using btc-e for over a year now and i have never had any problems with them, everything is always smooth, the only problem recently is the frequent ddos but you cant really do much about it.

I am talking about the fact that their MT4 is bucket shop.
If you make very small trades 0.01 than it is OK. But than you earn 1 cent when it goes 1 usd in your favour. No, you earn 1 cent after it goes 2 or 3 USD in your favour cause you have to pay them fees. In another words, you would earn approx 1 USD on 100 USD price change. Common I think we want to earn more than this. You want to open 0.01 trade and wait 1 year whether it goes 100 USD in your favour and than grab your 1 USD?
 But try to open 1.00 lot of their CFD and very probably they realize that trade into small pieces like 0.01 (sorry but when I want to buy 1.00 I want to have it in one part not in 50 rows, especially when you try to open more and result is 300 rows in MT4 window. If you want to see that mess I can send you printscreens......) and than when you want to close this trade in profit, you simply see "off quotes" but when in the same platform I tried another small trade like 0.05, of course I could open and close it immediately with tiny profit.

MT4 enable brokers to make groups of clients according to different criteria, in another words its easy for broker to cheat clients... and why they wouldnot do it when they could and nobody is able to realize it?

I am talking about the fact, that if you ever tried to open a large trade like 5.00 of their CFD or even 10 x 5.00 you cannot never get good price but everytime signioficantly higher (in case of buying) and once you decide to close the trade in profit very probably (not 100% everytime) you simply cannot. because of different error messages.
That sucks, if you take 100 BTC and try to sell it at Bitstamp or Bitfinex, you also dont get best price but your price doesnot differ by 10 or even more USD (20 usd)  from price which you see on screen. It may even happen that your price could be better than you expected, Becuase their order book is full of real buyers and sellers.
Even if you try to trade on some sudden movements you can rely that you buy or sell for the price which you see on screen even if you trade manually.
On BTCe MT4 must be no volume than because there is never any counterparty for your large trade.

BTCe exchange is OK, they dont mess with you but problem is that you must see many warning signs like no volume, BTC is cheaper by 10 or more usd, strange price behavior,... for me its enough - I lost money on MT4 and dont want to loose the rest because I already lost on MTGox

And regarding BTCe MT4....
In case you set up tight SL or TP, guess what, of course, it will be hit exactly at that SL price by sudden flash. And you cannot say anything cause in charts you cant see both buy/sell price so in many cases you simply couldnot do anything, you cannot see whether the price really reach thet threshold.
And worst of all, if you dont fill TP or SL, you risk even bigger disaster, in case like last weekend. I had one left waiting order sell at 219 with TP on 200 and SL on 259. I forgot to delete it cause I would never expect that price would go down so deep during weekend. And guess what, of coures it was triggered and of course it was closed on SL around 259.... despite price went down to 160 or something prior it went back higher. But of course it could be explained , but its the same when your girlfriend is cheating on you and gives you any explanation which is on her mind.
Once I was thinking about their master and slave account system.. but if you read their details about fees... I think it only results in paying fees to master and broker and you dont get anything, And of course, they tell you that master account has bad days, that you must have expected it and even if master makes some profit, fees are huge so you see some profit only in case of 100% a month or so what you cannot expect in reality.
My assuption is, that they let you winn just a couple of USD, max maybe 10 or twenty USD a week, once you would get into tens or even hundreds of USD a week, they do anything to kill you. Thats my bitter 1 year experience


I don't know you are talking like a gambling addict that blames the site for his losses, i never seen any kind of scam accusation that was real against btc-e yet, im certain almost no one considers it as a scam, then again if you have proofs for your statements, go ahead and open a scam accusation
919  Economy / Economics / Re: Is bitcoin dead? on: July 24, 2015, 06:50:35 AM
at the moment i think it is a bit dead but good time to buy


It's holding steady, but I would not call that dead.  We have even went up to 300 in not far past.  And of course dropped to current.

When I think of dead I think of sub 100 numbers.  That hopefully will not happen.

You and other people here have no idea what you are talking about, you are judging if a coin is dead by it's price which is totally stupid, bitcoin won't die if it goes sub 100 or even sub 10, bitcoin would die only if people stop using it or miners stop mining suddenly, price has nothing to do with it.
920  Economy / Economics / Re: How too get rich on: July 24, 2015, 06:49:03 AM
Many people forget that when Facebook's founder started swimming in wealth, he was a young college student. Almost everyone knows the story of Facebook, and Zuckerberg's now one of the wealthiest people in the world, at around $20 billion, regardless of age.
Also The founder of WhateverLife.com

Mark Zuckerberg was born in to a rich American family, and therefore he could afford education in the Harvard University. His father was a computer programmer, and taught Zuckerberg Atari BASIC Programming even before he went to Harvard. He (along with his fellow Harvard University students) created Facebook, while pursuing the studies.

Do you think that he could have launched FaceBook, if he was born in to a poor family in Moldova or Cambodia?

But a lot of people have access to basic education and you could learn programming with books or on the internet without needing to go to harvard, of course people on africa wouldn't have been able to make facebook but the other billion of people that could did not either.
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