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1  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Why is difficulty still very high on: November 19, 2022, 02:55:23 PM
Many factors feed into this and some have already been mentioned.

Large farm (warehouse) type operations that have a lot of sunk costs and already paid for leases will still keep mining for some time before turning off. Many of these also have negotiated low industrial electric rates so are only paying 2-3 cents per kWh and can keep up longer than most home miners or small farm types.

There is a rather large portion of small miners, that each run maybe 1-3 rigs with perhaps 2-20 GPU's total, that have access to free electricity. These can be students in dorm rooms, renters with heat included in rent, people on some kind of government subsidy program, etc. So any miners in this category that already own the equipment really have no disincentive to quit mining, especially if they don't need to sell coins right away. For this group mining is actually cheaper than buying coins as they are essentially free due to no electric bills.

Then their are the people who are mining at a loss, but continue on for some reasons. While it is true they could just buy the coins cheaper, as already mentioned in this thread, some seem to prefer mining over direct buying of coins. In colder climates mining can offset heating costs somewhat, assuming you are paying the bills anyway, so that can help offset a little, but not all of the current losses. There are also some from this group who mine to keep their coin accumulations anonymous, especially if solo mining to a clean (unused) wallet.

Its only been roughly 2 months now since ETH went POS, so I think many are still toughing it out hoping for a short bear market. As was mentioned by someone earlier, the last bear marker miners held strong for about 4-6 months before significant reductions of hash rates started to become clearly visible. This would put us in the January to March time frame before miners start "giving up" so to speak. Curiously, this is also roughly the same time frame some are predicting the crypto market bottoms start setting in.
2  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The number of hodlers on: July 12, 2022, 02:55:35 AM
I won't lie, I saw this drop incoming, I sold near $50k's and bought back at $32k, then sold at $64k in Nov.
The chart pattern which was forming was double top with bearish RSI Divergence in which RSI is was going down, Price was going up.

Once it came towards $48k, I was able to see it forming another similar pattern which happened in 2018 that it will touch $22k.
So I bought at $21.5k for 50%, and DCAing the rest 50% throughout the year.

Wow well done, i think the 17.8 K is last dip and i hope so if the bitcoin price break that supports in 17.8K i don't know what i going to say but DCA is best at this point in range 20K range and wait for other confirmation

Compared to previous bear market cycles we are just starting to get into this one. I do not think $17.8k was, or is, the lowest point we will see.

Just some random ramblings to keep in the back of your mind, the 2017 peak was just shy of $20k and the last peak in late 2021 was $69k (lets call it $70k for our simple thought experiment.)

So the difference in peaks between the two last bull markets was on the order of $70k/$20k or about 3.5x.

The low between the peaks was around $3200 (Dec 2018). So if we use the same multiplier of 3.5x on the low, we would see a new low of roughly $11,200 this time around.

Of course this is all just guesswork, but it does help to keep history in mind before becoming too confident in any bottom predictions.

Myself I would be more comfortable placing buys once the price gets closer to the $11k area than the rather lofty $17.8k region. Another thought is since $10k is a major psychological level, we would perhaps test that if BTC does get down that far, so even $11k is probably a bit high to hope for a true bottom, perhaps we might see some dips down in the $9k's.

Anyway DCA is your friend, but I would start investing very lightly at what I consider these high ($17k) estimates of BTC's bottom.
3  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: How bad can it get? on: July 12, 2022, 02:36:17 AM
Below 10K for BTC is the time to start investing if you want to target the next bull cycle down the road in a couple years or more.

Doge is already at the Buy price since it went below 10cents and really getting worthwhile @ 5cents and below if you want to accumulate as well for the next cycle.


Yes, sub $10k BTC is the time to buy I think we have a few more months to get there, perhaps end of 22 early 23.

IMHO Doge is still sky high at 10 cents, or even 5 cents, better to wait until closer to 1 cent or even under.

And to the OP, just because you have mining rigs does not mean you need to use them. As a long time miner I have in previous bear markers shut down my rigs and just bought coins directly with the money I would have sent off to my power company. If the cost of mining coins is more than you can pay for them directly, do not feel you *must* mine.

4  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Eth 2.0 can be delayed to 2024... on: July 10, 2022, 11:51:32 AM
I know that POS was (and still is) the plan all along for ETH, but I don't know why they cannot come up with some type of hybrid system, say 50% POS and 50% POW.

Some coins are now even going POUW (Proof of useful Work), so maybe some type of change in that area, say 50% POS and 50% POUW, since one of the main arguments for the switch to pure POS is to reduce energy consumption.

Myself I never was a fan of the POS concept in that is it simply bringing the normal financial system to crypto, mainly in that the reward goes to those with the most tokens (money). While POW is far from perfect, I am sure if efforts were focused into this area improvements could also be made to help reduce energy consumption and pretty much eliminate the useless work while still maintaining the decentralization benefits.
5  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: According to Sam Bankman-Fried, some Bitcoin exchanges are insolvent on: July 09, 2022, 10:51:47 PM
It's just me or anyone else also think, this guy only promoting his exchanges since he mention his exchanges first?

Weird how he include Coinbase wouldn't insolvent while they're already lay off 18% of their workers and suffer $430 million losses, it's possible if Coinbase would bankrupt in the near future if Bitcoin price continue to drop and they don't have good management to take care or continue their business.

Honestly I don't understand why many people are choose other exchanges (low volume, small, new etc) rather than the old and reputable one until now? Talking about the fees, it doesn't have so much different. Usually it's just a matter of top exchanges didn't list all shitcoins, AFAIK Hotbit and MEXC are full of shitcoins that the reason why many people to use this exchanges. But for other middle-top tier exchanges, I don't see any reason why other still use it.

I think in the end, the popular and big exchanges we've seen right now would bankrupt in the future, similar like Mt.Gox.


|. Name .|..... News link.....|............................................ Notes ........................|
|Gemini|...10% of the workforce|.......we have made the difficult but necessary decision to part ways with approximately 10% of our workforce|
|Coinbase|...Coinbase Lay Off 18% of Workers|.......Coinbase reported a $430 million net loss in the first quarter, or $1.98 per share, Revenue was down as trading volumes fell, and active monthly users declined 19% from the fourth quarter.|
|blockfi|...20% of it's workforce|.......dramatic shift in macroeconomic conditions” and BlockFi’s push to become profitable.|
|Crypto.com|...5% of its work force|.......That means making difficult and necessary decisions to ensure continued and sustainable growth for the long term by making targeted reductions of approximately 260 or 5% of our corporate workforce.|



Myself I don't see these developments as worrying as others make them out to be.  Outside of Crypto, usually when a company announces layoffs to save money the stock will go up. Crypto, and companies, go through cycles, so it make sense to trim back expenses as the market conditions dictate.

I would be more worried about companies pretending everything is fine rather than taking measures to trim expenses when the market is in a downturn. I am sure many of those lost jobs were in areas of research and new services rather than the bread and butter positions that keep the company running. It only make sense now that we are entering a downturn, which means less customers, less trading, hence less fees for revenue, that a prudent company starts looking for ways to trim its expenses. It not like its a secret that Crypto is entering a bear market, so there are bound to be losses and pullbacks everywhere.
6  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: newest risers on: July 08, 2022, 09:45:00 AM
Yeah, those new risers definitely look better in quality (both in components and soldering) than some of the older ones.

Assuming those capacitors are in parallel, each one would share a portion of the current, thus making it easier on each individual capacitor. By the grouping it would appear they are in three banks, protecting three different sections of the circuit board, but without actually looking at one its hard to tell from just the picture. Assuming the the capacitor quality is equal or better than previous generations of these risers, I would think it would be a more reliable design and thus reduce the chance of shorting.

I also have never lost a GPU due to a riser going bad. I have had my share of bad risers, but never one causing any direct harm to the attached GPU or MB. In any case, the better quality on these new risers is much appreciated to help protect the newer more expensive GPUs.
7  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Now is the time to just wait for the price of Bitcoin to come down. on: July 08, 2022, 09:03:05 AM
Following this strategy in 2018 you'd buy at 10k, 5k and have another 25% in case it goes to 2,5kUSD but it never did. In this bear market you'd buy at $35k, $17.5k and have another 30% waiting in case it goes around 8.5k.
Good strategy that does not require you to time the market and to find its bottom.

Dollar Cost Averaging is a very good strategy in bear market because if you have belief that bull market will come back, matter is whether you spend whole of your capital for investment into Bitcoin as you wanted. Average price for your investment is important. You can use 50% of capital to buy at $20k, 25% at $15k and 25% at $10k, assume all these prices will be touched in bearish months.

You don't have to stress your eyes and spend lot of time to find market bottom. You don't have to worry to miss its bottom. Maybe your average price will be higher or lower than in perfect case you time in the market, but DCA makes your life more easily.

Yep, this is the way...

DCA is the proven method over time, but I wouldn't even do as big of chunks as you suggested. Put in a little each month, that way you can buy even more if and when the price moves lower.

Myself I don't think the bottom has been hit yet, it will probably go under $18k at some point, but even so DCA is the way.
8  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Claymore rigs unhandled crushes on: December 07, 2018, 09:52:14 PM
Would you happen to be having Internet issues? All of them crashing at once sound like some type of connectivity problems. You can review your mining logs and/or router logs if you keep them.

Other suspects causes could be you are having slight electrical power fluctuations, not enough to shut off your miners completely but enough to crash the program. Could also be heat related, but this is less likely in the winter unless you live in the southern hemisphere..

You could even have a virus or some other malware on your network.

I should also add the in Winter with dryer air, which is likely if you are running many mining rigs, static electricity can become an issue. Just someone or something (pets) walking by a rig can be enough to cause it to crash.
9  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Question about GPU performance levels on: December 05, 2018, 09:36:55 PM
Yeah that makes total sense to only have two levels for a GPU.

I suppose you drive your car that way too? Either idle or pedal floored as obviously there is no need for anything in between!

10  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: About FPGA mining machine for Ethash "PHXMiner" on: December 05, 2018, 09:33:08 PM
I orderd 10 units PHXminer and arrive this month!!
Ofcourse already paid money...I believe KEYHITECH isn't scam.

Ok 5 activity newbie, who just registered on November 28th to tell us about this great product.

Let us know how it goes, btw pictures and videos would be the most helpful.
11  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Why its still worth mining ETH (or other coins) for me - Updated 2 months later on: December 04, 2018, 11:24:18 AM
Nice try, but you are cherry picking your numbers to try and make your case.

What-to-mine for instance, uses a block reward figure of 2.91 to account for the fact that a pool will hit uncles once in awhile and not always get the full 3.0 block reward. Coinwarz, the site you used, estimates the full 3.0 reward so it will of course give you a higher result, but it is not a realistic number.

The second issue I see is you also cherry picked near the high price of the day for your Bitcoin value. Try using the low of the day and see what you get, or at least the average.

I used your other figures and adjusted the values in Coinwarz using 2.91 block reward and $3700 BTC price and your income drops to $2.67 per month.

Finally for the $3 or so you might really make per month, you are not taking into account the depreciation of your rigs. You proudly claim my "rigs are paid off" then go on to tell us how clever you are with making a few bucks a month with that equipment. What you fail to account for is that your rigs have value on the resale market and this value goes down each day.

So while today you could maybe sell your stripped down rigs for say $2,000 (just guessing as you didn't provide any details of what your equipment consists of but will work for an example) and you continue to mine for 2 more months (60 days) eking out a measly $2-3 per month, you would earn $6 extra. However in that same time your equipment value falls say $100, now it is worth only $1900, you effectively lost $94.

Even using your optimistic (but incorrect) $20/month estimate, you would still be losing $60 over the time period.

No, mining is not worth it, and only those who either truly have free or next to free (2 cent) power are making it and everyone else is using fuzzy math to delude themselves into thinking they are still making money.

If you want to continue mining, that is fine and you don't need to try and justify yourself to anyone else, but at a minimum at least be truthful to yourself and know exactly what the real costs are. Also do not try to peddle this false pretense to others just because you choose to continue to speculative mine in the hopes that coins go up in the near future.
12  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Are Mining Still Profit? on: December 01, 2018, 11:32:13 AM
Profit? Yeah I am sure miners are still earning profits for the electric companies!
13  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: The fate of the Miners on: December 01, 2018, 11:28:05 AM
Even if we are near bottom or in the despair stage. There's gonna be a period of accumulation and slow growth for all of 2019.

Can you miners survive these low to negative profitablity for another year at least? Most won't. I see miners are still too optimistic and haven't felt enough pain yet. Profitablity therefore will drop more and drag out for multiple years. I bet miners will not last that long and give up in 6 more months. Their dreams of Moon and lambos will be shatteter and  recovery taking longer than they want like multiple years. Eth hash rate finally decreasing some but not enough yet to justify mining

This 100%.

Miners still need to feel the pain, too many are mining "at a loss", or at best breakeven, as they think the recovery is right around the corner and in 6 months we will be back at ATH. No, we will need the next year to find the true bottom and for the big boys to accumulate, and probably another year after that for prices to recover and start slowly climbing. This is basically the 2013-2016 playbook all over again.

I think the biggest problem most miners, and almost all traders, on here have is they are relatively small potatoes in the scheme of things. The big investors have plenty of capital and patience and they don't need the market to recover anytime soon to make their money. In fact they count on it to shake loose all those cheap coins from all the believers. Most of the believers or hodlers will need a good 2 years to shake loose the coins for them to lose faith and begin selling. Some of course will never sell, but the big boys know a lot of people will once their faith and beliefs in crypto's future have been shattered.

Anyway, as I said before to all those hanging on to mining equipment in the hope the recovery is just around the corner, you are better off unplugging your gear and selling off what you can than to wait it out. When mining does become profitable again, there will also be new equipment and GPUs that are a lot more efficient than your old gear, so even if you did keep it you would be at a disadvantage.



+100 percent right back at ya.

Guess why Steammit laid off 75 percent of its staff folks. Guess why china miners are dumping their less efficient miners now,  Why would they do this if the market was to recover soon in 6 months?  Once that 6k bitcoin support price broke that was it. They knew the bear market will drag on much longer.  The 6k btc support trend line signified hope and that has been shattered turned into resistance now and any bounce back close to 6k will just get sold off in the near term till no more bag holders left,  and this is according to Chris Dunn a well respected professional crypto trader,  and he's expecting a longer market cycles due to a bigger market cap size & more market participants compared to last cycle  in a slowly maturing market. This is just the nature of market cycles

By the way things are going, it looks like we got another 4-6 months of bear shake out, Icos right now are capitulating eth, people doing legal wash trading to minimize taxes,  and the Irs grizzly bear will force those early 2018 traders and 2018 miners that are all underwater, to pay up for taxes owed so they dont' go to jail. This will cover the first half of 2019 and 6 month accumulation till end of 2019, and then back to slow healthy growth in 2020, and party time 2021-2023.

I'm a long term bull so do plan for multi years and protect yourself. No moon and lambos party's with Vitalik and Jihan. Not gonna happen for 2019 so do plan much longer.










Yep, you are one of the few who gets it. Smiley

I will know the market has bottomed out when we don't need to point out the obvious any longer and when every post is about "crypto is done", "it's a scam", "ponzi", "I am leaving and not coming back" etc.

That will be the time to start buying as most of the holders and/or moonboys will be selling their $20k, $15k, $10K, and $5k BTC back to us at fire sale prices. Their 10x loss is our 10x+ gain.

The market will recover, it is just a question of when. Unfortunately for many of the people I see posting around here the "when" cannot come soon enough and that is why they are going to end up losing out long term.

It's a dangerous time right now (for sellers) as while I do not think we are at the bottom quite yet, it is obviously a lot closer to us now at $4k than it was when we were above $10K, or even $8K. So to the people who held out this long, you could try shorting and re-buying a bit lower, but your risk/reward ratios are getting worse by the day.

As far as mining, yeah not even worth considering at this point, even with free electricity you still have the capitalization, maintenance, and administrate costs when for the same or even less money you can just buy the coins outright.

I have sold almost all of my rigs at this point and keep just a few 1080Ti around for shits and grins, but I don't think I will be investing in new gear for at least another year, if not two. By then Nvidia should be one or two generations ahead and their cards will be even more efficient than even their current 2080Ti's. We may even have more in the way of FPGAs and ASICs, so yeah any gear you buy now would be pretty much obsolete by then.
14  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Advice needed: 80k USD mining adventure on: November 30, 2018, 10:30:30 AM
This is not what you want to hear but mining is dead, at least for the short-term (next 12 months or so). Any investment in mining gear right now is going to cause you and your investor to take a one way trip to Rekt City.

The bear market is not done yet. BTC WILL drop under 5k, probably down to under 2K before this is all said and done. Ethereum will hit under $100 before finding stability, and it might even do a quick drop to $50 or so first.

All of these posts of "I am breaking even so will continue to mine and hold" is simply delusional thinking, as once your breakeven point fails, all the mined coins you thought you mined at a profit are actually now underwater as well. You would have been better off waiting awhile and buying coins outright in a few more months at a discount.

I do believe crypto will recover, at least some of the bigger and more promising coins, but many of the alts will also slowly become worthless and disappear completely. Be careful of what coins you buy as next time the "sure thing" feeling will be over as many people have been burned now and will be a lot more hesitant the next time around and not just pour money into all the "me-too" coins.

I would say mid-2019 would be the time to start looking at promising coins again and mining under the radar, keeping it simple at first. I would expect 2020 to be the year crypto is taken seriously again and seeing meteoric rises like we did in 2017, but again not every coin is going to take the rocket-ship to the moon, so you need to really look past the fluff and research what coins you want to get into and have an actual use case.


Well, well, well. Here were are 3 months later and we see who the real trolls are/were. Smiley My prediction, more of an expectation actually, proved to be pretty accurate.

The market has a ways to go before we see ATH's again. Look at 2013-2016 playbook, so far its been pretty much a carbon copy and I see no good reason for that to change anytime soon.

Anyway what I said previously still holds true. For all you mine and hold types who look at those online profit calculators to see if you are making money, if you held those coins until now you mined at a loss! If you are still doing this stop! Simply buy the coins outright and quit buying all that expensive mining gear.
15  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: The fate of the Miners on: November 30, 2018, 10:17:50 AM
Even if we are near bottom or in the despair stage. There's gonna be a period of accumulation and slow growth for all of 2019.

Can you miners survive these low to negative profitablity for another year at least? Most won't. I see miners are still too optimistic and haven't felt enough pain yet. Profitablity therefore will drop more and drag out for multiple years. I bet miners will not last that long and give up in 6 more months. Their dreams of Moon and lambos will be shatteter and  recovery taking longer than they want like multiple years. Eth hash rate finally decreasing some but not enough yet to justify mining

This 100%.

Miners still need to feel the pain, too many are mining "at a loss", or at best breakeven, as they think the recovery is right around the corner and in 6 months we will be back at ATH. No, we will need the next year to find the true bottom and for the big boys to accumulate, and probably another year after that for prices to recover and start slowly climbing. This is basically the 2013-2016 playbook all over again.

I think the biggest problem most miners, and almost all traders, on here have is they are relatively small potatoes in the scheme of things. The big investors have plenty of capital and patience and they don't need the market to recover anytime soon to make their money. In fact they count on it to shake loose all those cheap coins from all the believers. Most of the believers or hodlers will need a good 2 years to shake loose the coins for them to lose faith and begin selling. Some of course will never sell, but the big boys know a lot of people will once their faith and beliefs in crypto's future have been shattered.

Anyway, as I said before to all those hanging on to mining equipment in the hope the recovery is just around the corner, you are better off unplugging your gear and selling off what you can than to wait it out. When mining does become profitable again, there will also be new equipment and GPUs that are a lot more efficient than your old gear, so even if you did keep it you would be at a disadvantage.

16  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: The fate of the Miners on: November 25, 2018, 07:29:04 AM
there is greed building inside me little by little...i don't know why...  Cheesy

It probably has something to do with the fact you subscribe to the Warren Buffet “Be fearful when others are greedy and greedy when others are fearful” philosophy.

Also similar to Baron Rothschild's "the time to buy is when there's blood in the streets" mentality. Both men are famous for making their fortunes in the stock market, so probably good advice to follow.

Myself, I think the fear and blood levels are still a bit lower, but even if you are beginning to accumulate some coins now I don't think you will need to wait too long for at a minimum a relief rally.
17  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: The fate of the Miners on: November 25, 2018, 04:31:21 AM
Well if we break $100 ETH we will probably drop to $60 in short order. Altcoin mining is pretty much dead at this point, the only hope you can have is that the bottom get put in soon and the markets start to recover.

If you are a miner it is best to just turn off your rigs for now and see how the market reacts in the next month or two. Hopefully some of the bigger miners go bankrupt during this period to allow some of these coin difficulties to come back down to reasonable levels.
18  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: GPU Mining a good idea or not? on: November 25, 2018, 02:26:04 AM
If you have really cheap power and can grab a bunch of cheap cards from the panicking miners - why not?
FPGAs seem more promising, though. But that's painfully not the "cheap" part.

Here is a reason why not:

A 6x RX480 8 GB rig will earn $1.81 a day with free power. That is $0.30 per day, per GPU, of profit, again assuming you have zero electric costs.

Used RX480 8GB on eBay averaging around $120 (some cheaper some higher). That represents over a 400 day payback period just to earn your investment back before really starting to turn a profit.

Oh wait, I can already hear you say that the coin's price will recover by then making it a smart investment.

Well here is an idea, if the price is going to recover (probably well before the 400 days it would take to ROI on your used GPUs) why not just buy the coins outright, sit back and not worry about miners, electricity, heat, noise, etc., and profit?

Right now in today's market (may change in the future) it makes zero sense to invest in mining equipment even with free power. If you want to invest money, simply buy the coins.

Sure the prices may go down a bit more, but right now is the time to be thinking of buying coins. For less than the price of that used GPU ~$120 you can now buy a whole Ethereum coin, which would take you over one year to mine with the used GPU. I expect in the near future you may be able to pick up close to 2 ETH for that $120, so then would definitely be the time to jump in.

The super low coin prices will seem like everything is over but in reality they will represent the time of maximal opportunity. Opportunity that is for investing in coins directly, not in mining.
19  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: GPU Mining a good idea or not? on: November 24, 2018, 11:36:57 PM
Basically if you already own the gear and have free or cheap electricity, then go ahead and get back into mining.

If you don't have the GPUs and your electricity is greater than 10 cents a KwH then you should hold off for now and see where the future takes us. You should also take into account the next Ethereum fork upgrade which will reduce the issuance to 2 ETH per block from 3 ETH per block, so there is another mining profit reduction right there.

Even power at 10 cents is barely breaking even now (btc at $3790 as I type)

On WTM if I input 85x 570's @ 10 cents the profit is $0.48 cents per day TOTAL. not per card lol  Shocked



Also consider that sites like what-to-mine use the most optimistic projections possible, meaning your pool never runs into a bad streak of luck, your miners also never get into a slump for guessing shares, none of you rigs goes off for more than a minute, and on and on. Highly unrealistic and is usually estimating your income to be about 2-3% higher than it will be over the long term.

In any case, with an estimated profit at roughly 0.5 cents per GPU, it is not even worth considering. Even at 8 cent power with the unknowns and unseen overheads factored in, it is still a wash. People with 6 cent power may be desperately clinging to low profits, but in all cases except for the free power grabbers, I think most miners are now mining at a loss or in the best case barely breakeven conditions.
20  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: is it still profitable? How many rigs do the big boys still have... on: November 20, 2018, 09:14:21 AM
Well the way things are right now unless you have 6 cent power and no rent or other overhead, you are not making any money on any coins.

Using ETH as an example, at $130, I see 8 cent power is breakeven only figuring for power and already paid off rigs. In reality with pool fees, miner fees, pool luck, miner luck, reboot downtime, etc., it is probably closer to 7 cents power for a true breakeven, as the other 1 cent is for the (unseen by many) overhead costs.

So those continuing to mine in order to accumulate the coins for at or more than what you can buy them for at these levels is simply insane. Even at 6 cent power you are maybe making a whopping 60 cents per day for an entire 6x RX480 rig, or roughly 10 cents per GPU.

LOL, even an used $100 eBay GPUs will now need 1000 days to recoup their costs!!! Mining is dead!
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