True, only way to be completely sure is to throw away the hard drive. Of course the new drive could be compromised by the manufacturer or somewhere else along the supply chain.

Also you better toss out the motherboard too as the BIOS could have compromised that would simply reload the virus on any new installs. Even flashing the BIOS with a new image may not remove it completely.

Point is there is no 100% sure fire way, but I agree a format of the SDD, and if you can a motherboard BIOS flash, even if you are overwriting the same version but with a new one downloaded from the manufacturer from a known clean machine and on a new USB. These steps should get you to 99% confidence of a clean machine at least.

Just like with PayPal you would have a balance on their service. You could continue to use the service as you have in the past or you could choose to instead redeem some or all of your balance for OMG tokens. The token would then hold claim against your balance until it was redeemed by someone else.

The question would remain on if they would value tokens 1:1 with an exchange rate or would instead have some sort of contract instead, i.e. this specific token for this address is worth $500. I do not believe they are expecting the actual deposits and redemption to be made outside of their network though if that is what you are asking.

Think of Omise as PayPal, or basically a money transmitter.

Think if Paypal created a token with a blockchain that allowed you to utilize PayPal's normal functionality, maybe PaypalGo.

This is basically what Omise is going to do with their new OmiseGo tokens.

Perhaps read more about how the parent company processes payments rather than just focus on one product they offer. https://www.omise.co/docs

If you read the announcement they indicate they allotted 5% of the total issuance of OMG. Since both ETH and OMG have 90 million+ tokens in circulation, it looks like it will be fairly close to a 5% ratio (i.e. for every 100 ETH, you will get about 5 OMG).

I am sure they will be announcing official numbers soon, but from the information they posted so far I would expect it to be somewhere in this ballpark.


From announcement:

Before everyone goes crazy, potentially risking their funds trying to move ETH around to take advantage of this, be sure to carefully read the announcement.

I bolded the relevant piece from a portion of the announcement that I quoted above, and in two places it is indicating that the "snapshot" has already taken place. Note past tense usage of "held a balance" and than later on "recent past block height".

The way I read it is they already have taken a snapshot of the blockchain information that they will use to determine the qualifying address for the airdrop. The announcement of this information is "TBA soon", but the snapshot is already done.

Bad idea. It's not the amount of data but the type of traffic and the destination address that will red flag you. If you value your job I would strongly advise against this.

I worked for corporate IT for many years, specifically network engineering. If you work at a place that requires regular computer usage for more than 60 days they will know more about you than your wife...

I agree the amount of data used when mining is trivial to anyone with a broadband connection of at least 20mbps.

I think most people would never encounter router saturation though as most routers designed for the home market are quite capable of handing the traffic even from 50 rigs. You would be more likely to run out of electrical capacity long before your router couldn't keep up, assuming you are using hardwired connections and not using a lot of data somewhere else, like streaming or something. You must have had a very old router or something else was going on with it for only 4 rigs to cause any issues.

Sad to hear stories like this, but do not give up on Crypto completely as I believe in 5 years time even this loss will pale in comparison to the possible gains you could miss out on by leaving.

First you need to educate yourself on basic security practices however. If you can, get a hardware wallet as many here have already recommended and get away from online wallets except for very small amounts you intent to use within a relatively short period of time. Practice with your hardware wallet and become very familiar with how it works and how to properly recover the funds. Test with only a small amount <0.001 BTC until you are comfortable with how to get at your funds in any situation.

Also, as others have pointed out, do not post any more information publicly about yourself, including emails, accounts, wallet addresses, or other information than is absolutely necessary, and in most cases this is zero. Hopefully you wouldn't post your Bank's name, account number, and amount on deposit on the Internet, and neither should you post any details about your crypto holdings.

Any online accounts you do have, you should use dedicated email addresses only for that account and never post it anywhere. Use only services (email and other) that provide two-factor authentication, never rely on just an email and password for security.


While Windows may be less secure, it is only due to users not taking the time to practice proper security precautions. There are many guides online how to lock down a Windows installation to be in fact quite secure. The main problem is people are using their all-in-one PC for everything and not exercising the caution they should be with so much money at stake. Just like you wouldn't (hopefully) leave an envelope with $20,000 cash in it laying around in your unlocked car, you shouldn't leave the same on your non-secured PC.

For any amounts over $10k (arbitrary) you should be looking at a hardware wallet or dedicated PC. Regardless of OS, take time to properly secure it and disable everything not needed to simply run the wallet software. Be sure to encrypt your wallet with a hard password of at least 32 mixed characters (Upper, Lower, Numbers, Symbols). Setup firewall rules to only allow the bare functionality needed. Never use it for anything else, never ever use a web browser or email client on it, just the wallet and that's it. The only time it should even be running is when you are syncing and ready to make a transaction.

Also don't use wireless and have a decent home router with everything locked down. Again, many sites on how to do this and test its effectiveness are out there.

Anyway, I could go on forever, but the end result is your funds are only as secure as the effort you put into securing them. In this case it sounded like the OP put too much trust into third parties and did not take time to understand how any of it really worked, much less how he could himself take more proactive steps t securing his funds. Now he is pissed at the world because of his carelessness and is ready to give up rather than double down and take advantage of the opportunity of a lifetime.

Yeah, I did not necessarily mean to disparage BitPorium in my post, but the point is we are all essentially strangers to one another. Even going by rank or trust is still trusting an unknown person as accounts can be sold so you cannot even know for certain if the person is the same one who started the account.

Also, if you read through the later comments, even BitPorium himself was uncertain and recommended to not use that version any longer.

Myself, I think it may have indeed been a false positive as many antivirus vendors adopt a better safe than sorry attitude when it comes to mining software and will aggressively flag any miner as probably 95%+ of their customers do not run miners.

But anyway, the poster I was replying to indicated he was fearful of a Trojan and asked how he could be sure he completely removed it. My response was to address that concern specifically and the only way to be sure is to do a complete wipe and reinstall from known clean source material.

Only surefire way is to wipe the machine completely and reinstall everything from the OS on up. Be sure to do a full reformat of the SDD/HDD as well before reinstalling.

The file may also have contained a worm that spread to other systems on your network, so you may want to check any other computers you may own over thoroughly as well.

As was suggested earlier, if you have wallets on any of those systems you may want to consider transferring the balances to a secure wallet first and just hope the Trojan is not lying in wait for you to unlock your wallet before front running you. Wipe those systems as well afterwards and reinstall everything fresh.

Are these steps a lot of work? Yes, but what do you expect when you download a .exe from some random guy on the Internet and then run it?

Thanks for the updated node list!

This was probably the biggest help yet actually. I have now imported this list and the client is up to 9 active peers, whereas before I only managed to ever connect to one or two at a time.

My other questions from above do not seem as urgent now, although the answers still might be helpful in general.

Thanks for the relies and all the efforts to provide the updated bootstraps. I ended up being able to sync normally as it seems that I finally found a peer or two since my last post and it is now updated!

I am sure the bootstrap files will be quite useful for others though since finding online peers seems to be the major hurdle for most.

My wallet shows that I am now staking my meager stash of around 200 clams that I claimed from various old keys. The client says it will take 6 days to complete the stake.

Does this mean I need to stay connected to a peer for the entire 6 days? If a peer drops off during this time does the staking process hang, start over again, or does the stake become forfeit? Peer connectivity seems to be the main sticking point with people getting into this coin right now.

Step one should be to transfer your existing Bitcoin to another new wallet first before importing your private keys into a BCH wallet. The risk is a compromised BCH wallet that would steal your existing Bitcoin. You can claim your BCH from the same keys that held a BTC balance at the time of the fork, even though now the Bitcoin has been transferred somewhere else.

As far as the privacy issue, unless you have a significant amount of Bitcoin I wouldn't worry too much about it. If you do have a large amount, then yes I would take measures to try and send the amounts to as many different addresses as much as possible. I know Kraken and Coinbase allow you to generate new addresses, I am not sure about other exchanges.

I should also add that when you are done transferring all of your BTC and BCH out of your existing wallet, consider all those keys as being compromised. I would backup a copy of the wallet dat somewhere in case you would accidentally send to an old address in the future, but afterward would wipe that machine and reinstall a new bitcoin wallet and generate new keys to use to move you money back into. A hardware wallet would work as well, the takeaway is you do not want to reuse any of those private keys. And you have already identified the need to keep your BCH wallet on a separate machine from your Bitcoin Core wallet, which I think is prudent.

You can never be too secure is my belief. A bit of inconvenience is well worth it if it means protecting your money

When I first read this I was thinking the end of this year, so would have said yeah 1 Trillion is way to high and 200 Billion would be way more likely. However, 1 Trillion, while a lot of money, is only a 10 fold increase from where we are at right now.

Another big factor IMO is that it is no longer just a Bitcoin driven market-cap, and BTC's share has fallen to below 50% of the total crypto market-cap value. So with the growth in the entire crypto space and with serious outside interest developing in moving larger institutional investments into crypto to take advantage of the better opportunities versus traditional investments, 1 trillion in a 16 month time-frame may be well within reach.

Well to be fair Bitcoin would only need to hit $6,000 to double in value which would be the same as waves hitting $10. I could actually see both coins hitting these values yet this year.

Anyway, from reading your replies to almost everyone in this thread, it seems you really believe in Waves, so why not just go with your gut and invest in what you are comfortable with instead of asking everyone else.

Actually I do not think it is a pump so much as just people are slowly discovering it and becoming aware of its potential. Unlike many other coins that hype ahead of them hitting an exchange, OMG was quietly listed and has seen rather modest growth when compared to the super-hyped coins.

Don't get me wrong, 300% is still quite crazy return when compared to traditional markets outside of crypto and I am sure we will see some recovery, but I just do not see it crashing down anytime soon.

This is one of the many reasons I like this coin. Beside having a workable product by an established company that is nearly ready to launch, they did the right thing by seeking only so much money and then ending the need for an ICO.

This is in contrast to just about every other ICO out there, many who may have initial goals and limits but then when they see there is a great in-flood of money lift the caps and raise as much as possible. The business plan of OMG's competitors morphs into raise as much ICO cash as possible and that's it, no reason to even develop further as they already have the cash. I am sure they will put on a great show for a couple of years to avoid calls of outright fraud, but they will eventually claim failure and disappear with your money, after all they offered no guarantees.

Getting back to OmiseGo, you can already see their business plan is about the polar opposite of the above and they actually have already made some major milestones. Even if the Mc Donalds hype is just one franchise owner somewhere and not indicative of the company's support as a whole, it is still exciting to see real life use cases being tested and worked on. I do believe this is one aspect that too many people in the forums over promote, but even without this particular case I think the project has great potential.

I am with the majority here and feel it will dip below $100 for a period of time. How low I do not know, but $50 may be very possible.

I do not think it will go much lower than that for any length of time as it is still riding on Bitcoins coat-tails and will retain some value. Considering there are now several other "Alts" that are consistently trading above $100 will help to justify this pricing as well. This is not 2013 anymore where "there can only be one".

Also, I can imagine there are some cold wallets holding sizable amounts of Bitcoins where the owners will not necessarily want to risk moving them around just to claim a few more dollars.

If you are holding for the long term, you can afford to ride out the inevitable dip and hold on to them for a couple more years. Who knows in 5 years BTC might be $10,000 and BCH around where BTC is today ~$3,000.

Thanks for the followup. It looks like the bottom support bar might interfere with the USB and Power connectors on the PCIe riser board was my concern, and even this new picture seems to show the same. Maybe the bar is thin enough where those two cables will fit underneath without having to put an extreme bend on them. Looking forward to Monday when you get the risers in!

Yeah, the price isn't super bad I guess, but the shipping does not fall under my Prime free shipping, so that's another $25. Still, I am tempted to order one or two to play around with myself. What type of fans did you order?

Stuck trying to sync the client.

Already downloaded and imported the bootstrap file and added the node list provided by Miner2525 above. This got me close but I am still 4 weeks behind with no connections.

Also added nodes at http://www.presstab.pw/phpexplorer/CLAM/nodes.php

Any suggestions or nodes that are always up?