cyrpto - because the site accepted it doesn't mean a lot.
There has to be some user responsibility in all of these cases. Not sure what the % is in this case, just saying.
My password could be 'pWf32fWSf@35%@#4f@#4', perfectly secure, but if i use that same password on a Russian PS3 hacking forum, is it mtgox's fault you account later gets taken from Russia? Sure, you may say it was unique to mtgox, but how does he know? Just playing a little devil's advocate, that's all.
I guess common sense comes to play here. I for one fully trust Jed, so if he told me someone used my account by trying out 3 different passwords I'd pretty much accept full responsibility. But that is not the case here, there was a dictionary attack so either the site doesn't allow weak passwords or it has to have measures to prevent these attacks. Or it is the site owner responsibility. Of course we are all grown ups and I'm glad to see that the parties here are talking to each other trying to find a solution. |
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No problem! I'll leave it and withdraw my offer for now.
Cool, thanks! |
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220 is an OK price IMO. This spike is due to speculation, I'm not interested in that. I expect the USD/BTC price to fall to 0.55-0.6 or thereabouts quiet soon, anyway. Close the auction on the B4 if you don't want to wait for further bids and PM me so we can work out the details.
Yep, I feel the same way. There's some resistance @ .55 but that is all that prevents prices from going back to <0.5. Or course the market may prove me wrong (I hope so  ). If you don't mind, I still have a few hours of work ahead of me, so if no other bids appear before I finish, I'll close the B4 deal with you. If you want me to close right now I can too, it is a fair price. |
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Any more offers?
Still happy at 60 despite the increased BTC-USD exchange.
I don't think I want to part with it at that price... Sorry, I started playing with it and now I don't understand why I left it gathering dust I can still be convinced, just not at that amount. |
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B2 - Atlas @ 155 (Feb 1)
B4 - rebuilder @ 220 (Feb 1)
Going twice... We have been seeing a huge increase in the value of bitcoins, and while it might be short lived, no one can really do more than guess. So 3 options I see: - If you guys want to review your offers down I won't mind, though I do believe that they are still fair for both sides. - Another option is to take the current high value of bitcoins as leverage to close the deal. The 24hr average is now on .65, so if it doesn't fall under .60 and you keep your bids, I'll be happy to close the deal right now. - We can just wait this volatile period out. What say you? |
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This messes up auctions terribly.
Lesson: Acquire necessary bitcoins before bidding.
I wish we could use bitcoins as a full currency, without needing to compare, but that is not (yet) the case, so a good plan would be to extend what TTBit did on http://www.taters.net/cgi-bin/btc/matrix.pl?axisinc=0.01 with the 24h weighted price data, and add 7 days and 30 days to it, as well as BitcoinCentral following on top of the existing mtgox. With that we could have a good 'unit measure', and we could open actions with 'coins pegged to the mtgox 7 day weighted average @ 0.55', and adjust the final price accordingly. Of course this only works if both buyer and seller agree to adjust, as in 100 coins final price would mean; 100.00 coins @ 0.55 7 day average 73.33 coins @ 0.75 157.14 coins @ 0.35 It would at least provide some protection to both parties. |
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Bitcoiners from IRC channel reported that their password are randomly generated but their accounts are still compromised.
I'm no security expert nor am I knowledgeable of mtgox's code, but as a coder when I see my account being stripped of 0.005 coins, which you can't see on the UI unless you look at history and do some math... well, it sounds like the actual server was compromised and DB's scraped. Just saying. |
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01/24/11 00:16 Payment Process united 0 0 0.003 0
It seem that I'll have to change my security practice too. 01/24/11 00:16 Payment Process united 0 0 -0.002 0.005
Don't we all... funny how the times are sync'd though. |
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I really doubt they are real. It will go back to the mid-40s soon enough. If this holds true, I might have to retract my offer.
We will, eventually, think of prices in terms of bitcoins and not the other lesser currencies counterparts. I do need to pay for shipping in euros, so I don't want to sell for a price where I end up paying to sell, but other than that I want bitcoins. Of course I assume coins will increase in value, but I'm pretty sure we'll see both parity and back to <0.4 in the near future, so if your decision is based on the spot btc/$ index, you are in for a ride  But because I understand the times are very volatile, let me hit the hammer once on the current bids... I can't promise an exact time to end this, but I'll try to keep it below 24h after the latest bid. So... going once... |
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155 for the B2
B2 - Atlas @ 155 (Feb 1) B4 - rebuilder @ 220 (Feb 1) |
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220 for B4 with shipping , am located in EU.
B2 - no bids B4 - rebuilder @ 220 |
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if it's okay with you, i'd rather cancel my offer/bid
i'm passionate collector and already have 4x 12" apple iBooks (all of them ca 5-6 yrs old), one old ibm thinkpad
and a kinda new laptop (finally needed moo power for work) si you might understand myy craving for new toys
with cpu but if i bid next time, it will be serous.
i could send you the 2 BTC as sorry.
No need to be (or send) sorry, it is just fair that as I mention in the OP I can choose to not close whatever deal, the same goes for bidders. As long as we haven't come to an agreement, no shaking of hands is done. You did bring the thread back to life, so thank YOU! |
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I was wondering if there might be some manipulation of Mt. Gox prices today since it's the day that counts for the end-of-January bets that were placed on BitcoinSportsBook by the end of December. Someone could perhaps even play both sides of a trade at a particular volume to try to influence the "official" number of what the end-of-month value was.
Could be. Could not be. Who knows? Well, if that is so, that someone would have probably lost a fair amount of coins in the process, I guess. The .4 bet was already 'in the bag', and the total over .5 pot amount to 450 coins, give or take. Assuming that more than one person has placed bets, the potential gain is relatively small. |
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good point here. i do not see a similarity with smoke signals and other archaic methods. this is a legit requirement for new customers
to finish a registration including snail mail.
And once again my attempt at sarcasm goes completely unnoticed... I really suck at this! |
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210 BTC for the B4
Current bids: B4 - Atlas @ 210 B2 - ptmhd @ 127 |
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You lead with that offer. what have i done ... (but my bit is valid. man should stand by his past actions) Heh, I won't take it too hard if you retract your offer at any time until we agree to close the deal. I understand the bitcoin economy is small and volatile still, which is one of the reasons I don't think auctions work well right now. |
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how about 127, including delivery within europe?
Thanks. You lead with that offer. 127 for the B2 shipped within Europe. |
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I've started listing a few used music CDs on biddingpond ...
where? the music category is empty i would expect that you have at least one auction running all the time with a hint in the description that you are selling more, to check back often Ha, yeah, I kept it for a week, then grew tired of no feedback neither here nor on the pond I'm just restless like that. I'll get the auctions back up for another stretch. |
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The suggestion was for the seller to mail a password to the buyer who would then communicate it to the seller to receive the bitcoins. That was fairly clear, don't see how you missed that.
seller is already using email to send a piece of information to the buyer to continue to the transaction. (not a password but a link, that the buyer must visit to compete the buy process) the problem with attackers is that they control both paypal and email, making the anti fraud protection difficult. any other checks you can think of? (can not automate phone calls, phone calls would rise the costs for exchange up even higher than they're now) let us assume that the attacker has compromised the buyer identity in all possible ways (control of pc, email, paypal - all usernames & passwords). that really sucks. send them a letter containing a password to their confirmed paypal address. For the cost of a stamp So I believe he means that rudimentary form of communication of old, back from when fog prevented efficient communication using smoke signals, or background noise degraded the quality of whistle based conversations... I think they call it "snail mail", probably because it leaves a trail of goo or something |
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Do I hear 150 back there? That lady in the red dress behind the funny looking penguin with a super hero cape? No?
Ok, 125 going once...
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