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1521  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: New EU directive on electronic money - 2009/110/EG on: October 29, 2010, 12:49:48 PM


Now try to make a hat out of Bitcoins Smiley
1522  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Decentralized Bitcoin scratch-off cards on: October 28, 2010, 11:18:51 PM
II'm thinking some variation of wallet-on-a-USB-stick might be a more convenient and practical way of physically exchanging bitcoins.

I wonder if Ebay would let you sell USB sticks pre-loaded with Bitcoin, a snapshot of the block chain, and a "starter wallet" with X bitcoins in it...


That's a great idea, but how would the receiver ever be certain that the wallet was unique without the need to immediately transfer the funds away from the wallet, destroy the wallet, and transfer them back?

I have mentioned this personally, as others before and after: We need to be able to import private keys into the running bitcoin process. This way you have your own bitcoin process, your wallet already there. You import the keys and the coins are yours. This does nothing to prevent double spending, of course, but make it really simple to transfer coins physically using usb keys or emails or whatever.

To prevent double spending, the import method would automatically transfer the coins in that key to a new bitcoin address from your pool. If it confirms, good, if not someone scammed someone, and you'll be playing the role of the latter Sad
1523  Economy / Gambling / Re: Bitcoin Poker Room on: October 27, 2010, 02:40:05 PM
It's the fact that it is law, and that people thing that's just what it is "in everyone's best interest" that puzzles me. I don't want to break the law, I don't have an issue with having the notice, it's the fact that people feel the notice is needed that shows the current state of afairs Smiley

Sometimes I wonder why we should respect laws we don't agree with.


'cos law - is opinion of majority. and if you do not agree - you are minority. =) BTW, you can disrespect law, but you have to follow it to live with in society which use it without problems. =)

Well, yeah, the way society is wired now... but you should be able to not follow law, assuming you don't break it, so here it should be unlawful to entice minors to gamble, but if they do, well, tough.
But we don't put responsability in people, which is why we have laws and courts. We just don't trust people's good will or common sense. Yeah, some are crooks, but why do we all live under the assumption we are crooks?

while we're on politics, why not touch religion? Smiley Do god fearing people really need a priest saying they should not steal? C'mon! isn't that just common sense? No, because if they do steal there's a punishment. So stealing is not something one shouldn't do, but rather something you pay for if you do... as most good things are.
1524  Economy / Gambling / Re: Bitcoin Poker Room on: October 27, 2010, 01:24:55 PM
You guys can call it "censorship" all you want but it doesn't take away from the fact that in the United States you can get in deep trouble for making a wager with a minor over the internet. Of course you'll argue "I had no idea he was only 15!", but the fact that you knowingly played poker at a site that did not even post an age restriction, well, "you should have known better" is what it will come down to.

You can take the risk if you want but I honestly see no point in doing so. Stand up for what you believe in, but this would hardly be the way to go about it. I can give my 5% rake to a poker table that I barely have to worry about technical issues, security, or legality. It has nothing to do with my stance on underage gambling, but all to do with my country's stance on this issue. If I object to that, I'll argue the law and try to change it, not disobey the law and explain myself later.


It's the fact that it is law, and that people thing that's just what it is "in everyone's best interest" that puzzles me. I don't want to break the law, I don't have an issue with having the notice, it's the fact that people feel the notice is needed that shows the current state of afairs Smiley
1525  Economy / Gambling / Re: Bitcoin Poker Room on: October 27, 2010, 03:49:09 AM
This is a general question for all gambling sites using bitcoin.
Wont it be good to impose a limit to stop 18 year and under kids from playing.
At least a formal warning and anti addiction messages.


Seriously? You think warnings stop people from doing what they want? Yes, people under 18 are people and choose to do what they want.

Did warnings stop you from watching porn?

Ageism is bigotry. It's been done to us, but we don't have to perpetuate the idea that there is some sub-human cutoff age if we don't want to.

Sorry to derail the thread, I won't discuss it here, but in another thread I'd love to rant for a while.

Yes please! But I can't wait... cannot hold it any longer...

What do warnings do for the user? Absolutely nothing! "No, officer, I didn't see the NO STEALING sign, or I wouldn't have gone for the cash register".
What do warnings do anyway? They serve as 'insurance' for those who don't want to take responsibility, like parents. Yes, I caught my son watching porn and the damn site didn't have a 18 year + warning, or I'm sure he wouldn't have clicked on it... Huh?

It's very late, I might have failed to express my feelings on this, but any kind of censorship is bad, disguise it as you wish. And I know, terrorists, child porn, you name your excuse for controlling everything and everyone, but I just feel that the flip side of the current censorship and control situation is much worse than what they say they want to avoid Smiley And you fill in the 'they' placeholders with whatever form of government you have where you live, it's pretty much all the same everywhere.

There, I said it, now off to bed.
1526  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Multiple Wallets, one computer (multiple accounts) on: October 26, 2010, 02:52:59 AM
Yeah, I'm already running multiple processes, but not one per client, rather one per service. It's not practical at all, keeping the ports under control, had to create bitcoind wrappers for each one of these or it was total hell.

I just don't see this scaling to one process per client, even if you don't have a huge number of clients.
1527  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: ERROR - PLEASE HELP ME! on: October 21, 2010, 10:03:02 PM
Dhaw sent me some of his debug.log files. Symptoms I saw:
- In most of the files his block count remains "stuck" at 1698.
- In one file he received blocks up to 2933, but it went back to 1698 after he restarted Bitcoin.
- Any blocks he receives after 1698 he probably considers invalid. I haven't seen the actual block rejection (it keeps getting removed by the auto-trim), but his debug.log is full of "block xxx have" messages for blocks that he clearly doesn't recognize as valid.
- He is connected to real peers. He connected successfully to IRC, and he was able to connect to me with -addnode. I verified at my end that he is successfully sending getblocks messages.

I'm almost sure that Dhaw is not a scammer, and is a victim of some bug. My guess is that every time he restarts Bitcoin, his block database is corrupted.

He speaks 'Portuguese (Brazilian)'. A translator would be helpful.

I can translate. Just post or PM and I'll have it in English for all.
1528  Economy / Marketplace / Re: 100 BTC giveaway. Post address for bitcoins! on: October 20, 2010, 11:47:53 AM
How do I tell if I won?
Do I need to go to the site to cashout?
Does it send to my BCOUT address automatically so I need to check my bitcoin client?


I have decided long ago against automatic transfer, as a simple software bug could get me in a tight corner, and this system allows me to have a buffer of control. Still, if enough interest exists in this, I can add the option.
1529  Economy / Economics / Re: How evil is Bitcoin ? on: October 20, 2010, 11:45:21 AM
Not exactly responding to the quote, but I think humans are inherently evil. To be realistic, it's hardwired into our DNA from millions of years of survival of the fittest. Where you only lived if you fought for your stay. Living peaceful in society is nature vs. nurture. Forager vs. farmer. We are still inherently selfish and egotistical, but being nurtured in a community where we need to give in order to take, most people have learned to control their evolutionary predispositions.

My view is broad and not based on Bitcoin  but I do not believe it or any other cryptocurrency to be a threat to society, only to government because they would lack the control they always desire.


What humans are you talking about? We have had to struggle throughout the generations, sure, for survival, yes. But don't confuse that with being 'evil'. Societies have always struggled to keep their keens safe, and while the concept of 'society' is a little too wide, and may mean the world, a country, a town or a home, the basic thing here is that all the 'evil doing' that is hardwired on our DNAs is actually just survival instinct.

We have, however, learned to be self conscious of our belongings to a point we not only have no desire to share them, but we actually want to take everyone elses. But this is a new thing, a taught thing, not hardwired in any way, in my opinion. I hold no degree in evolutionary theories, and I pride myself of being very much unaware of all that goes around in the world as a whole, but I do know that if it wasn't for the 'bottom line' people would do their best to have their surroundings prosper, as that would make them prosper too, and it has been that way for a long time, but somehow, with democracy as a form of control, laws that are not chosen nor vetoed by the people, currencies that serve no purpose but to control wealth and monitor habits, it just got lost along the way.

Now, having said all that I must add that I don't have a viable alternative, hence I don't 'struggle the system'. I live in my own system as much as I possibly can, and feel very good about it. Bitcoins were a wonderful addition to said personal system, along with all the new knowledge I've been acquiring on the fora.
1530  Other / Off-topic / Re: Creating Bitcoins without paying for electricity?! on: October 20, 2010, 10:56:39 AM
This is a joke? You want to talk about "how you can take energy from nothing, using the ten ignition coils"?

Nerds forum very unfortunate place for this Smiley

No, no. Please disregard bitcoinex completely. I have done it and I can assure you it works! There is, however, a small change that you need to do there, and I'm available to share that with you for 100k coins or it's dollar counterpart. It's a great deal, if you think about it, as you will not have to pay electricity again, and you can even mine for the coins and get your money back in no time!

Just send me the coins/$ and I'll be sure to fedex you all the diagrams to help you on this endeavor!

...
1531  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Introducing: The Amazing Anonymous Bitcoin Lottery on: October 20, 2010, 10:41:03 AM
URGENT

NELISKY! I made mistakes! Canyou cancel my bets. I bet the same endings over and over!

I can try and help, but I need more details.

PM me your bcin, at least, and tell me if you mean the lottery or some bitpick
1532  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Introducing: The Amazing Anonymous Bitcoin Lottery on: October 20, 2010, 10:35:12 AM
Just a quick note to say that The pick6 has been awarded to whomever had a bet on b1be69 with a total pot of 2250 BTC.

That's US$216 on mtgox, but who cares about non p2p currencies, anyway? Wink
1533  Economy / Marketplace / Re: 100 BTC giveaway. Post address for bitcoins! on: October 20, 2010, 10:34:57 AM
Just a quick note to say that The pick6 has been awarded to whomever had a bet on b1be69 with a total pot of 2250 BTC.

That's US$216 on mtgox, but who cares about non p2p currencies, anyway? Wink
1534  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Selling bitcoins for PayPal-EUR on: October 19, 2010, 10:34:40 PM
Want to try a smallish amount, say 100 coins so we can assert that doing this using PP balance doesn't charge fees? I'm assuming yours is a personal account. PM me your PP address and I'll ship the € and respond with a BC address.

My PP account is Premier-Verified.  PM sent.

Transaction done, if anyone's interested. I used personal transfer and got charged 1% from paypal. jgarzik received the amout as described on my send page.
1535  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: A slightly more open approach to bitcoin on the GPU on: October 19, 2010, 08:48:38 PM

Nelisky (or anyone else), could you provide the makefile and what system you compiled this on.  I'm really having trouble compiling this.  I have Ubuntu 10.04 with a GFX 9800 Gx2 with the latest Nvidia CUDA drivers installed (and I verified that my CUDA test programs do work). 

If no one wants to provide the makefile, could someone explains how I would go about modifying the existing unix makefile to compile the cuda version?

Also, what specific SVN reversion are we patching against?

It's been a while since I last worked on this, but I have compiled on OSX, against revision 156 and the osx makefile changes are on the patch a few messages above. You will probably need to change the paths to the libs, but should be fairly simple to do so.
1536  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Proposal: Mt. Gox + Bitcoin4Cash + Bitcoin2Cash = PayPal Problem Solved! on: October 19, 2010, 08:27:18 PM
Transferring bitcoins between users is not so interesting because it is already possible to get bitcoins in and out.  Much more interesting is that the API also allows transferring USD between users. 

I have around $3000 that I'd like to withdraw from Mt. Gox.  If anyone is looking to get money into Mt. Gox, perhaps we can work out a deal.


Not personally interested, but that is a great idea! Maybe mtgox could get a small fee for the escrow service? He would assert the one sending USD out that he had received USDs from the other party, so it was safe for actual US$ to change hands. Just a thought...
1537  Economy / Economics / Re: The Core Assumption of the Bitcoin Community on: October 19, 2010, 08:24:53 PM
There is no such thing as *positive social order*, there are people, if people freely choose to use it then it is positive for them.

If that was true, then everyone was free to do as they felt would most benefit them, be happy about it and it would be incredibly hard to control them. I mean, we would have to come up with religions and governments and, if all that failed, we would even need a way to control what they could own or trade, so as to force them to comply to a set of rules made up by some institution we would have to create just to make up those rules...

oh... wait... Smiley
1538  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Selling bitcoins for PayPal-EUR on: October 19, 2010, 08:04:00 PM
Yes, you are right, I've used an up to date exchange rate now and ended up with .098 USD. Pardon my nitpicking Smiley

Want to try a smallish amount, say 100 coins so we can assert that doing this using PP balance doesn't charge fees? I'm assuming yours is a personal account. PM me your PP address and I'll ship the € and respond with a BC address.
1539  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Selling bitcoins for PayPal-EUR on: October 19, 2010, 07:33:31 PM
I may take you up on that, but if this is an experiment you have interest on, maybe the price should be somewhat lower than the USD counterparts there?
1540  Other / Off-topic / Re: New payment processors coming to market. on: October 19, 2010, 02:48:44 PM
This looks pretty interesting (in the US):  http://www.paynearme.com/
Print out a payment slip on a website, walk into a store and finalize payment in cash, website merchant gets immediately notified.

From their Terms of Service:  "Please do not confuse our PayNearMe payment service with use of a credit card, debit card or pre-paid/loaded card. There is no extension of credit. And since there is no credit extended, there is no ability to challenge or cancel the transaction through a chargeback procedure."


Although it is US only, afaict, if someone is willing to accept PP from us not US based but with good rep (or wire, but I'm assuming 0% fee personal PP transfer from PP balance) and convert to this with a fee, or the other way around, I'm certainly interested in seeing it supported.
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