Yep, my views are based on that very notion. I, as an artist, don't work with Free Trade because I've been instilled the notion that it takes an industry to make a living. I never meant to say "I'll steal your music, the one you are selling on the store, and believe I've done good". That's not it at all!

What I mean is that I sell music, someone buys my music and lets you take a listen. You like it and make a copy. Do you have to pay for that copy? Better yet, should we put an effort in pursuing and convicting those that make a copy? Is there really a damage done by that copy?

Even if we take the step up and, this really depends on the industry but for music, I buy the cd and make copies which I sell for 5BTC a piece. Am I taking food out of the artist's table? Is there really damage done? Morally? sure, I'm making money out of your work, which is pretty much what the music industry as a whole do to the working party, i.e. the actual artists, but they do it legally and with much higher profit margins. On the other side of the table is the number of people the artist's music is not reaching, and you can't sell copies of the emotions of a live concert, so maybe, just maybe these bootleg buying criminals end up actually as a profit for artist?

All in all, there are always 6 billion (and counting) views of the same problem, so some form of arbitrage needs to be agreed and clearly disclosed up front. Just the simple fact that I read on the fora so many sentences of the type "But I've already explained" or "you simply don't get it" or even, closer to all of us "Why is this hard to understand?" makes me wonder just that... why is it so hard to understand opinions are just that, and even hard facts, those that you can't possibly disagree with because they are proven being any doubt, reasonable or not, may still be subject to someone else's bias towards not thinking that to be so.

What we need is an agreement... and the right to disagree. But I digress so fast it makes me dizzy I am in to the thug insurance brotherhood regardless of what gets agreed to be "correct" or "legal". These are muddy grounds we are stepping on and one may always need a helping hand sometime. I'll also do my best to lend the helping hand to others involved in the BTC businesses, whenever needed!

I don't think FreeMoney meant difficulty going down, but generation power going up. My laptop did 1.4MH/s when I first joined. That same laptop does 7.7 now, so I can handle roughly 6x the difficulty and profit just as much (negatively ) as I did when difficulty was 6x lower. Thus, for the same actual difficulty level, the difficulty dropped 6x for me.

Yep, artists love the spotlight, I know I do in my own way. I don't have any real data to backup this, but I believe that artists will always share, give, offer or otherwise pay for showing their things to other. Making a living as an artist is only for a few selected ones that either are greedy enough to not be full hearted artists in the altruistic sense (not to put any limitation to their art) or have 'rich uncles' (don't know if that expresion works in English too).

The latter are to blame for us associating art with money, I believe. They are not artists, they don't create, some are possibly frustrated artists but that should cover it. They are business people and they make (a lot of) money out of other people's willingness to create art for peanuts. So we assume that if we don't pay for what we download, some artist will starve? It's not morally correct to copy that album your friend has that you would otherwise never know about and become a fan of? How would you decide which live shows to go to? You'd let the labels just tell you what's hot? Are you *already* doing it?

I think the whole file sharing issue is moot, when it regards to causing damage to the creators of the content (just art, folks, not industrial espionage and the like, that's a different, altogether more spiky subject). We aren't hurting the creators of content, even if we sell their stuff. We're actually helping spread out the word, which is what they pay labels to do anyway.

But paperwork, records and statistics is what keeps the very fabric of society in place! Imagine if there was no record of how and where you spend your money, or of who you do business with. Then how could that great parenting institution we call the Government know what is in our best interest to be done, so they can tell us, show us what our best interest is? We would be totally lost without paperwork and pretty much left to our own devices.

Just think that you might have to make your own decisions based on your own knowledge and opinions, without having someone telling you what you should do, what would work best for you. You would be lost, man!

And the financial institutions, the base stones of our happy lifes? They would not know how to best service our accounts...

"Get over here, drop your pants and bend over so we can... *ahem*... service your account!"

I have updated taabl to support login usernames. If you don't have one, you can add it in the account page. This means that if you had a password set up you'll need to enter it to log in, so if you forgot it PM me and I'll clear it out, so you can log in and set a new one.

Hope this helps making the site more user friendly. Best of luck to all, prizes are accumulating very nicely! Getting more interesting every day.

Ha, ok, I misunderstood you. You are correct then, although the mentioned coyotes actually have a business model that depends on borders being heavily guarded. I have a couple of friends that have used these "services" and, believe me, you wouldn't want to subject yourself to it. The survival rate is not all that good...

"Bien venido a Tijuana, con el coyote no ai aduana." (the spelling might be wrong)
 

Yeah, but do it quickly, before you get old and change your mind

I just love how you attach "investment" to "lottery"

Could be, but it's the 'non techs' I am aiming at, and more so the ones using Windows GUI, so shell is not even in their glossary. But even though you may object, humour me. Can this be done?

Heh, that is so not true in so many aspects... For a Brazilian individual to visit the States there's visas to take care of and then there's the all common 3rd degree on the walk in. I so understand the reason, as without that the poor savage indians would all flock to the civilized America and steal all the jobs.

But I did meet a bunch of North Americans in Brazil, and they really wished they could just drop everything and go live there, and also a few wealthy Brazilians that usually had vacations in Europe, as the US of A made it very clear they were not welcome.

I could be biased, though, and only see a small subset of the reality, but then again, so could you :p

Need a good backup espace plan, do you?

Almost, but not quite the same thing. A wallet includes the needed information, i.e. the private key, but its format may not be supported by future clients. It is not user friendly, can't do the 'here's a printed QRCode' or 'just open this file in the bitcoin client'

Also, the end recipient would have to, as you say, open the new wallet and transfer. This is very non-trivial, especially on GUI clients, and all non technical users would get up and scream in one voice: "Huh?"

Yeah, I've been considering how to best go about this for the web services. Right now multiple services on the same machine run multiple clients bound to separate rpc ports. It works... to a point.

What I want is a separate wallet per user, and that scales pretty badly, so what I thought could be done is have multiple wallets in memory at the same time, based on some key (which would be the subdir inside the datadir for the wallet) and the rpc calls would take a -wallet= switch. I just don't know how many wallets I would be able to keep in memory at the same time, and I would loose the ability to move money instantly amongst them, but that's ok, I guess.

A slightly more scalable alternative would be to lazily load the wallets on demand. I know wallets keep a bunch of information, but maybe we could limit that to own addresses and transactions?

Satoshi: are you planning on doing any of this? As I'm not familiar with this part of the code, it would suck to spend a week trying to figure out the best way to do this and then you pushing the perfect implementation to svn

Heh, it's the wrong thread altogether, but I'm not saying I agree with that or any of the other unethical events. What I'm saying is that I believe it is a good thing that the possibility exists, as while it's true we all probably agree some things are out there, completely out of bounds, what happens when we feel very strongly about something but we just feel different things? Who is right?

My only line of reasoning is: I don't think we should be imposing moral or creating rules of what should and should not be done with this. If we don't like it, we don't use it. Stay clear of all the things you oppose to, but let others do what they like with their own lifes... so as long as they don't affect negatively the lifes of others, but that's a completely different issue.

Receiving wires between EC countries is free (for amounts up to €50k) although this excludes the UK afaik. Sending wires is not, and $10 wouldn't feel outrageous, though my two banks would charge much less, €1.5 and €3 respectively. But a company account for a foreign entity will probably be ruled by totally different values, especially if the account is twinned with another one US based on the same bank.

Is there enough need for this? I could probably start something of the kind, assuming people wouldn't mind a small extra on the coin price (I don't have that many, so there would be some brokerage). I could probably offer the transfers, though. Or even better, what do you guys think of AlertPay?

Not wanting to step on anyone's toes here, but I like the unethical possibility. Not that I want to start any unethical event prediction, but I do want to be able to do so, if I choose to

So, tip-toeing to avoid hurting anyone, this is a really small project, the design is way more challenging than the actual logic, so if there's more interest in this for sociological reasons than just me and Babylon, I can prep something up.

I like that idea, I like it a lot! I'll try and give this a go, and we can all do a global geocaching hunt!

Yeah, that's kind of what I want. Not the exact thing but a great use for it

I have a new usecase that is somewhat related to this thread... I have multiple bitcoin clients running, on multiple platforms. Specifically, I have one GUI based Mac client that holds addresses I have advertised, and I was trying to get rid of it.

The funny thing is that wallet.dat, if just moved to another client (even a custom compiled bitcoind on the same machine) simple refuses to work, screaming at me about corrupted databases and such. There's probably some easy fix for that but, what if I want to take 2 of my addresses out of that wallet and put them on another wallet, or on my mybitcoin account? I can transfer the balance, sure, but say I am receiving donations on that address and can't really ask people to change the address?

So what I would like to do is to export the privkey for one address in one wallet and then import it into another wallet. I know it's not implemented, but is it technically doable? I may take a stab at doing this, but just wanted to avoid a wild goose chase.

Good people of the bitcoin world, I'll be moving taabl across servers either today or tomorrow, so don't be alarmed if it goes out for a while. It is for everyone's benefit

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