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2601  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Those who use bitcoin to buy drugs online are doing more for bitcoin on: November 21, 2018, 03:05:02 PM
i get the point about bitcoin being a currency but what i don't get is why use an illegal activity such as "buying drugs" as an example? it is not like we lack use cases that you have to go look in the dark market to find a use case! there are hundreds of different use cases and millions of merchants. use one of them like saying "those who pay for their meal with bitcoin", "get part of their salary in bitcoin", "top up their phone using bitcoin lightning network",....
2602  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: I don`t care about the market. I will HODL to USE! on: November 21, 2018, 02:56:42 PM
well good for you but i don't think you are doing the right thing by having "ALL" your savings in bitcoin. as long as humans were making investment, they were advised to diversify and also to invest what they can afford to lose not all their savings.
of course your strategy depends on your lifestyle but for an average person, specially the bread winner of the family doing something like that is reckless in my opinion. don't get me wrong i strongly believe in bitcoin's future and i have a large stake in it but i still keep fiat and also other assets as a safety net.
2603  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bakkt delayed the launch date!Coincidence or arrangement? on: November 21, 2018, 02:49:03 PM
isn't Bakkt supposed to be a place where people can buy and sell bitcoin? if so then what you call "bloodshed" is their bread and butter! in other words if anything they should have pulled the release forward instead of postponing it.

as for ETFs, they are old news now. nobody cares about SEC and their decisions anymore...
2604  Economy / Speculation / Re: Satoshi sold his BTC. on: November 20, 2018, 02:38:47 PM
are you trolling or incapable of reading the dates of transaction outputs that are spent? all the previous outputs that link to this transaction have happened in 2018!
not to mention that at first look this is a P2SH address (starting with 3) and this type of address was not even around in Satoshi time Cheesy.

Any opinions?
i think this is the first time you are looking at other transactions that take place on bitcoin network.
large size money transfers are pretty common. they don't only occur on price drops. not to mention that you have no way of knowing if it was a "sell" or a "big ass buy" Wink
2605  Economy / Speculation / Re: Comparing crypto charts 2013 vs 2018 on: November 20, 2018, 02:28:17 PM
the only thing that this picture proves to me is the power of belief. that is in human nature. it is used everywhere too. for example the Placebo is a known fact in medicine where a patient who takes sugar pills is cured because of it!
in the market the same thing is true based on my observation and this picture proves it too. people kept on believing that the "bear market" must last as long as the last time. so when the price was stable, when the accumulation was on the way and lasted months, they still didn't move a finger because they believed in a prolonged bear market instead of a normal market where it has a reasonable length bear market.
and now we have the manipulation which is actually going to prolong he bear market for real. so in a way they got their wish Cheesy
2606  Economy / Speculation / Re: Price dip a sign Institutional Investors are ready? on: November 20, 2018, 02:04:15 PM
Why is Bitcoin so stable in price after a big drop? back in September:
What is causing this?
My guess is this is manipulation, and my next guess is someone is waiting for order books to be filled before placing another big sell (or buy) order which will cause the next price jump.
This stable price more or less continued until a few days ago, when the big price drop started.

well first of all this is bitcoin we are talking about, you don't need to wait for the order book to fill up, it fills up in half a day, or in 24 hours tops and doesn't change that much afterwards.
the stability lasted a lot longer than that.

secondly when price becomes stable, traders leave the market. and their leaving means they take their money out of the market. and that means less bids in the order book so if someone was really doing that, they were clearly seeing order books thinning instead of filling up.
2607  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: BTC is a victim on: November 20, 2018, 01:47:49 PM
bitcoin has always been the target of all kinds of drama. and during each drama there are always some people who are surprised about its existence and try to explain it by connecting it to strange things such as mining farms!

the fact is, this market has always been susceptible to FUD and hype and is always known as a roller coaster. this won't change for as long as the market is small and filled with newcomers while also contains big whales.
2608  Economy / Speculation / Re: $2000 prospective low for bitcoin says Bitmex CEO Arthur Hayes on: November 20, 2018, 07:47:09 AM
it is funny to see how everyone is quickly changing their statements these days to still remain on top of the news sites and make their name and their business name heard by just guessing a random number based on the trend they see!

in any case none of this is normal so coming up with numbers is only proving their lack of understanding of the market. drawing lines on the chart, looking at previous trends,... are all meaningless at this point.
the drop is manipulation and dumping pressure by outside forces not the market itself. and we have no way of knowing how strong they are going to be and how much panic we can expect hence we can not predict the bottom of the current drop.
2609  Economy / Economics / Re: Is empty wealth being created through stable coins? on: November 20, 2018, 07:30:10 AM
they have been creating "fake money" out of thin air for years and it is not just stable coins. it is basically any new altcoin and tokens that have been created in the past 10 years without adding anything to the ecosystem.

do you think any of the ICO tokens were really needed to be created? how about the 5000-7000 different altcoins that have been created in the past years?
there is no reason for more than 90% of them to even exist but they were created and created wealth out of thin air.
2610  Economy / Economics / Re: Bank of America will help large financial institutions to store cryptocurrency on: November 20, 2018, 07:11:55 AM
apart from the obvious fact that was mentioned in the first reply (bitcoin doesn't need any centralized middleman) i was thinking that this may increase the security of exchanges and prevent them from being hacked and things like that.

i think that at first it may be introduced as more secure,... but eventually the same hacks would occur. because the system is still the same. there is some secret information that if the exchange doesn't protect it will be hacked. and unless this bank asks for other assets to back the funds in case of hacks, i don't see any improvement whatsoever...
2611  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why most people believe bitcoin to be worthless? on: November 20, 2018, 07:00:04 AM
most people think that "No useful Dapp or any sort of business based on bitcoin or crypto in general that is making a decent amount of revenue except for exchanges and mining hardware companies.!"

nobody really thinks that except those newbies who are bag holding ethereum and are brainwashed into thinking DApps are actually needed for a cryptocurrency! and have forgotten that a "currency" doesn't even need that. bitcoin is designed to be a decentralized currency and it is just that and is doing a perfect job with all the attacks so far.
2612  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: My argument for why BTC hard forks suppress mainstream adoption. on: November 20, 2018, 06:48:58 AM
From my little understanding the hard fork was meant to relieve bitcoin of some load and enable transaction speed. The purpose of the hard fork was not for the new coin to replace bitcoin.

"hard fork" is meant to do that. but this fork that we are talking about did no such thing. the "hard fork" that you have in mind is more like an upgrade. this fork that OP is talking about is a way of creating a new altcoin by copying the code and the block history. and its purpose was to take over bitcoin and gain power by having full control over everything including price, network, development,...

it failed to do that but it is still harming bitcoin.
2613  Economy / Speculation / Re: Epic buying opportunity on: November 20, 2018, 06:44:54 AM
^^ you only buy and sell constantly and get involved with the market if you are a trader. otherwise if you don't want to trade which is the case with most people for a lot of reasons including lack of trust in exchanges, then you only invest. and times like this when we are officially in a big dip is a good time for investors to buy bitcoin at a big discount.
2614  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: From Minimum To A Million on: November 18, 2018, 02:04:49 PM
you won't be able to make any significant amount of money from "earning websites" specially those you posted here, let alone become a millionaire from them. i think you are too caught up in the hype of their advertisements. the thing is you will spend money on these sites and worst of all spend a lot of your precious time on them trying to earn and trying to gain referrals while the site is the only one that is making money and they eventually run away and leave you broke!
2615  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Confusion about BCH hard fork and clear statement for newbie. on: November 18, 2018, 01:51:30 PM
"A group" here means people runs BCH nodes and mines BCH?
such changes however will require a high amount of support. so a "group" in this context can not be a couple of miners who have 1% of the total hashrate. which is also why "bitcoin" defines these hashrate support thresholds for each fork (>95%).

Thanks for the answer. But you said "these hashrate support thresholds for each fork (>95%)". BCH splitted into BSV and BCHABC, I think it's impossible to reach 95% for each fork. Right? If BCH fork only BSV or BCHABC, hashrate support thresholds should be over 95%. this I can understand. But there are 2 forks. I think hashrate of 2 new forks will be keep at a value as long as 51% attack cannot happen. Correct for me if Im wrong.

the 95% that i mentioned is for when you want to improve the system with a hard fork to to create a useless altcoin that nobody wants.  bitcoin is designed to be  decentralized and that means the whole network or at least the majority (95%) has to agree with the rules that we call "consensus rules". when you fork with less than that, it means you don't have the majority's support. for example bitcoin had forks before. a hard fork in early days to fix an overflow bug, another fork a couple of years later to add P2SH scripts and the soft fork of last year to add Segregated Witness. all done with that high support which is why bitcoin is working well and decentralized.

technically you can create a fork with your own PC, you don't even need any ASICs, you just use your CPU to mine a block but you have to change the difficulty and how it works for the fork to work. then build on top of it to have a new blockchain. but that blockchain (that new coin) will be only used by you alone.

that is what happened with bitcoin cash fork last year in August and it happened now with a fork of this fork again to create a copy of copy coin!
as for their hashrate, there is currently a war between these altcoins over it and there may even be some 51% attacks on each other. because they lack that support i talked about and they started this trend themselves when they forked from bitcoin last year with that little support they had!
2616  Economy / Speculation / Re: Are stock markets the reason for the crash? on: November 18, 2018, 01:41:04 PM
you have a very interesting theory but i have to say no, because this recent drop had a very clear reason so there can't be any other one for it. the reason was the BCH fork FUD that took bitcoin by the storm and manipulators had their fun with the price.

also so far as i can remember bitcoin has never had any relationship with stock market although a couple of times it went against it meaning when stocks crashed bitcoin soared up.

You're trying to tell us that Craig wright, the fake satoshi who couldn't prove ownership of Satoshi's addresses, had something to do with the crash? Cheesy Good joke, i give you that! Most Bitcoin holders don't hold BCH and don't care about it, and Craig alone wouldn't crash anything.
The crash was probably caused by expiring futures because it happened on the same day.

not directly for obvious reasons that he doesn't have any effects on the market directly. but indirectly and through propaganda he succeeding in creating a dramatic environment in which the price drop could happen easily. that environment was the FUD filled social media filled with threats of dumping 1 million bitcoin on the market.

it is like a couple of years ago when Mike Hearn spread some bullshit about bitcoin being dead. he didn't sell to crash the market, the whales did it for him after his FUD.
2617  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin is going to either $10k or $3k by the end of 2018 on: November 18, 2018, 01:32:48 PM
i am always surprised about how you guys come up with these speculations!!! it is the early 2018 all over again when you were speculating price to drop to $3000 just because it was going down and wasn't able to break the $10k resistance at that time!!!

we just had a little drop here. it is not a reason to go down 50% and with a total of 85% drop overall just because you feel some panic...

I would not agree that it is a small drop, maybe for you 1000$ is small - but after months of stability this is in some way an indication in which direction BTC price could go. I am not saying we can go down to 3000$ easy, probably miners will not allow such a drop because they may lost profit - question is, can they prevent BTC price to slide down even more then than what is now.

how can this drop be any indication of the direction? was the drop from stable $200+ down to $150 an indication of the direction that bitcoin goes in? or was the drop from $450+ down to $320 an indication? or.... dozens of other cases of drops during stable phases of accumulation.
each drop had always had a reason, most of the times some big FUD about bitcoin being dead, some exchange getting hacked,...
2618  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Do you know any "whale"? If you do post it here! on: November 18, 2018, 01:16:25 PM
i think sometimes some people think that the term "whale" and what it means is exclusive to bitcoin only and doesn't exist anywhere else in the world! whereas the term alone didn't even begin with bitcoin. it is a known thing that exists in any other market.

tell me who are the whales in Gold market, Stocks, Forex, Oil,... or any other market out there? the whale is just another trader who happens to have more money and can have some influence on the price. sometimes more on some markets than others.

news sites like the link you posted however love to make things bigger than they are. it is like they put a magnifying glass over it.
2619  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: you are being manipulated by the government on: November 18, 2018, 01:06:42 PM
a government manipulation would be a lot bigger than this and the consequences of it would be a lot bigger. what we are witnessing these days is simply the same old whale manipulation of the market to get the coins out of the weak hands and put it in their own pockets at a cheap price so that they can give it back to them at a higher price when the rise happened and make a profit in this process.
2620  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: New hate wave? on: November 18, 2018, 12:54:12 PM
There was always fucking hate! in 2017 every single bank was against to Bitcoin. Therefore, I was very skeptical about Bitcoin. None of the banks supported Bitcoin. There were always haters out there but Bitcoin has seen 19K ATH.
Why should the banks support something that may radically disrupt their status in charge? It's like asking why the horse seller hates cars

The only thing which makes a horse better than a car is the liability of the asset, while the bank offers you a stable currency(assuming it is a member of the established power) bitcoin offers you speed, anonymous identity, secure storage through private keys, transaction-only fees, and many other benefits...so it's a natural hate the one they do have  Roll Eyes

it is not always support it is more like adapting to new world and the changes that are happening in it so that your "business" doesn't evaporate overnight just because you refused to change.
banks will surely get on board the bitcoin wagon eventually even if they are resisting right now. not to mention that most of them are saving face because the government has banned them from getting involved with bitcoin so they are saying it is bad that they don't want to not that they want to buy they are not allowed!
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