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2301  Bitcoin / Hardware wallets / Re: [ESHOP launched] Trezor: Bitcoin hardware wallet on: April 06, 2015, 05:48:43 PM
So Mycelium has indeed jumped the gun on Trezor firmware update. We're still on 1.3.1.
2302  Bitcoin / Hardware wallets / Re: [ESHOP launched] Trezor: Bitcoin hardware wallet on: April 06, 2015, 05:45:51 PM
Perhaps you mis-read my post? I don't want Android to create the seed, I just want an app that will send the signal to the Trezor for the Trezor to make one.

I did misinterpret what you meant by "initialize seeds". But "restoring seeds" definitely satisfies the concerns I raised, I would not promote the restoring of seeds with any online device.

You don't have a choice for restore. You either use the keyboard on your PC or your phone.
2303  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: April 06, 2015, 03:18:16 PM
Transports starting to give it up:

2304  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: April 06, 2015, 03:06:37 PM
lumber prices breaking down:

2305  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: April 06, 2015, 02:35:30 PM
here's a representative transport company, UAL, breaking down.  you would think their profits would be going up given the falling price of oil that has been going on since last summer.  but no, someone is selling it off probably b/c travel is down due to the ongoing deflation and overpriced stock:

2306  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: April 06, 2015, 02:30:11 PM
ok, we have a dangerous signal on deck when it comes to the stock mkt.  the $DJT dipped below the January low which confirms the long term Dow Theory non-confirmation i have been going on about.  it needs to close below this level before becoming official.  we'll see if it does by the end of the day.  either way, it looks like it will either today or in the next few days.  of course, the Fed and banks watch the charts too, so it's time for a rescue pump if they're going to do one.

2307  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: April 06, 2015, 02:17:56 PM
Yes Erdogan those fiat/statist sites and one scam-infused 'coin' site obviously spout nonsense.
But your original claim was about bitcoin knowledge, not gold/money/fiat/old hat knowledge, and mine is that it is better found elsewhere.

Yes op it was stupid of me to make an account on bitcointalk and to attempt to engage your tsunami of trolls.

Yes, you are stupid because you come in here with a 2wk account with no arguments, simply accusations. You couldn't possibly have been following this thread for any length of time to know what you're talking about nor form any valid  opinions of the people here so yes, you won't  get any respect because you haven't earned any.

It is an NLC alt.

given that sporket likes images also, i'd assume his is an alt as well?
2308  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: April 06, 2015, 01:57:15 PM
Yes Erdogan those fiat/statist sites and one scam-infused 'coin' site obviously spout nonsense.
But your original claim was about bitcoin knowledge, not gold/money/fiat/old hat knowledge, and mine is that it is better found elsewhere.

Yes op it was stupid of me to make an account on bitcointalk and to attempt to engage your tsunami of trolls.

Yes, you are stupid because you come in here with a 2wk account with no arguments, simply accusations. You couldn't possibly have been following this thread for any length of time to know what you're talking about nor form any valid  opinions of the people here so yes, you won't  get any respect because you haven't earned any.
2309  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: April 06, 2015, 01:43:55 AM

 But in this thread, which is the center of bitcoin knowledge,


are you on crack? sane people occasionally pop in here, but mostly it's a troll thread for self-deluding old scatterbrains

uh huh.  declared by a 2 wk newbie account trying to hold back the avalanche.
2310  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: April 05, 2015, 08:06:06 PM
Mycelium now working with Trezor.  Dynamite combo.
2311  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: April 05, 2015, 07:16:23 PM
pack your bags.  we're going up.

Soon?


Soon is all relative.
2312  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: April 05, 2015, 04:56:12 PM
Absolutely true. Value is a "nominalization" to borrow a term from NLP: http://youtu.be/1sceRsmT1yc

To further elucidate the points made in the video, nominalization (a.k.a. reification, or what Mises called hypostatization, the tendency toward which he named "the worst enemy of clear thinking") is when you convert an abstract concept or action/process into a noun, and then end up treating that noun as a sort of "thing in itself" and allow it take on some properties of a physical object. As a loose figure of speech it is innocent enough, but - as is always the case - when we try to take loose phrasing from everyday talk into more rigorous contexts without cleaning it up, the result is mass confusion leading to all sorts of fallacious reasoning. As the speaker said, politicians love to make use of this confusion.

Another way to talk about this is to call any conversion of an abstract concept or action/process into a noun "nominalization," since that what it literally is, but then to call the fallacious taking-seriously of this "reification" or "hypostatization." My preferred term is reification to refer to the error.

Some classic nominalizations and corresponding reifications:



As may be evident from the examples, when you start off with a loose nominalization (using nouns because they're convenient in English) you can end up committing the fallacy of reification. How exactly does the slip happen? There is actually another semantic error at work here: equivocation, where a word is used in two different meanings at the speaker's convenience, or inadvertently.

In other words, what happens in each case is that the noun form of the word being the same as the verb form makes it especially easy to switch back and forth between them, and pretty soon the people forget that the noun they are talking about is not an entity, but actually some process that itself involves physical objects or entities: water molecules that wave, people that value gold bars, mileposts that are spaced out. It's incoherent to speak of a wave without something doing the waving, or to speak of gold having value without someone doing the valuing, or to speak of space curving if we are maintaining that space=nothingness. It becomes an implied equivocation because the meaning of "wave," "value," and "space" has subtly been allowed to change in the course of the argument. Whereas we started off taking it as obvious that some objects were waving, some people were valuing something, and some objects were spaced, we ended up silently shifting the meaning to exclude those objects and people.

Now the term "intrinsic value" might have been useful if not for this reification trap. We could use it to refer to the direct use value people place on something, as opposed to its exchange value in the market, as even Mises himself did. Unfortunately, all experience hath shewn that the word intrinsic overwhelmingly tends to lead people into the reification error described above, because this is a basic human tendency baked into the social pressure of language (things that "sound right" tend to carry a weight that feels like social authority). Intrinsic sounds like "in and of itself," with no reference to a valuator. This tendency makes using this word just asking for trouble. It invites misunderstanding time and again.

To be clearer, then, I strongly recommend avoiding the term "intrinsic value" and instead using "direct use value" or similar to distinguish from exchange value.

that's probably not a bad idea. 

the term "intrinsic" has been abused quite markedly in the whole Bitcoin vs gold debate, especially when describing gold.  it reflects both a laziness in the use of the language or just sheer inability to understand the multiple facets and intricacies of gold valuation and how they compare to something even more complex, ie, Bitcoin.
2313  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: April 05, 2015, 03:46:13 PM
pack your bags.  we're going up.
I don't think so we now have the long Easter weekend, when it is expected and and quite obvious to see no price movement at all. I think that more than 70% of BTC trade is in China right now. They don't have an Easter there, so it is just as I expect bitcoin is brice is stagnant.

in years past, we've had monster ramps during Easter weekend.  everyone sitting home with nothing to do except trade bits.
2314  Bitcoin / Hardware wallets / Re: [ESHOP launched] Trezor: Bitcoin hardware wallet on: April 05, 2015, 03:34:12 PM
Has anyone ever tried to use Trezor with the MyCelium Android application? I'm going to get my new device soon and want to combine both.

I did just yesterday for the first time, bought a USB OTG cable plugged it into my Nexus 6 and it just worked. Did not make a payment yet however...

it works great.  made a pmt to Telebit, just like in his video.

still confused about this green notice in Mycelium upon connection: "A new trezor firmware is available" that is NOT showing up when connecting to mytrezor.com
2315  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: April 05, 2015, 03:23:53 PM
pack your bags.  we're going up.
2316  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: April 05, 2015, 06:38:33 AM

[...]

To me a blockchain is just that, a chain of crytographically connected blocks. A blockchain can be imagined to have any security mechanism.

Bitcoin's security mechanism is an SHA256 based lottery system, this makes the security mechanism to be a distributed system where any miner can participate and add their hash power.

Google or the FED could create a blockchain with a single signer security mechanism. For example Larry, Sergey or Yellen could have the only key to sign and validate a chain of blocks. They would then issue new blocks every x minutes, creating a chain. Anyone and everyone could transact on that blockchain in the exact same manner as Bitcoin. The only difference is there would be a centralized server to communicate with (not a P2P network) and you'd have to trust Larry, Sergey or Yellen (not distributed hash power).

To me a blockchain is just a chain of crytographically connected blocks, of which there are many options.

Bitcoin's blockchain adds to that by implementing a distributed security mechanism on top of the blockchain. At least that is my terminology.

That may be your terminology, but in that case we are not talking about a technological breakthrough, just about a simple data structure with pointers.

The blockchain (assuming my terminology above) was not a technological breakthrough by any means. You are right, the blockchain is just a simple tree based data structure and there is nothing special about that, at least to anyone with a CS background.

What is special about Bitcoin is the distributed security mechanism. Creating a SHA256 based lottery that rewards a scarce token in order to facilitate a distributed P2P security mechanism, was a wholly unique idea. Satoshi was the first to create that, and since Bitcoin was the first implementation it is Bitcoin that will win (if any do). It was the distributed security mechanism that Satoshi invented in creating Bitcoin.

while we did have previous digital monies using transaction hashchains and data trees, we never had one that linked a chain of "blocks" together whose purpose was to perform transaction ordering and clearing via a timestamping mechanism.  and it's more than just a chain of crytographically connected blocks; it is a summation of POW target hashes each of whose security gains the deeper it is buried into the chain.  i once likened it to the individual floors of a skyscraper built from the ground up.  you only get a brief chance to significantly modify the floor you're working on before it gets buried beneath all the other upwardly ascending later floors that make any subsequent modification of lower floors impossible.  and the builders of the floors of this skyscraper come from all over the world, like they do in Dubai. alot of them die on the way up to building the 163rd floor.  

except this skyscraper is going to the Moon.
2317  Bitcoin / Hardware wallets / Re: [ESHOP launched] Trezor: Bitcoin hardware wallet on: April 05, 2015, 03:32:45 AM
did you just release new firmware?

also, what's the correct way to eject Trezor from Mycelium android?  after verifying that Trezor works with Mycelium, now it no longer works with pc.  won't load after passphrase input.

it would be nice if Mycelium allowed use of a watching only Trezor wallet.
2318  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: April 03, 2015, 12:40:22 AM

Yeah I'm beginning to wonder if it's intentional or if they really don't grasp the connection. If the latter, then it truly shows how early days we are and when the undeniable realization does hit, well, hyperbitcoinization here we come.

I keep saying most people investing in cryptocurrencies are going to lose money. It's more than trivial and is because Bitcoin is uniquely complex. There's alot of components to grok at one time and most people aren't equipped to do so especially since the most important component involves sound money. Having been a gold bug really helps.
2319  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: April 02, 2015, 11:34:12 PM

there's that blockchain again!
2320  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: April 02, 2015, 11:04:30 PM
Grinding higher.

 This one could hurt.
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