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2901  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 22, 2018, 03:45:20 AM
Rose?
2902  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 22, 2018, 02:41:30 AM
Tone Vays turning bullish just now:

 
@ToneVays
 
It's been a long time Since I've been Bullish on $BTCUSD. My best guess, 2nd Week of February right after the Crash to $6k, we rallied all the way to $12k. I see a similar path for #Bitcoin this time, but 2x to $8k might be a stretch.

Source: https://twitter.com/ToneVays/status/1065396117922172928
2903  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 21, 2018, 11:42:21 PM
And that's coming from the guy that is constantly repeating how he went into silver instead of Bitcoin several years ago. Hilarious.
2904  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 21, 2018, 08:40:42 PM


Pennies for them.

The resulting drop in price when you have 1.5M BCH on the other hand.....

Yep, hundreds of millions in asset valuation LOST from the balance sheet. *THAT* must hurt.
2905  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 21, 2018, 03:00:36 PM
It's a shithole out there man.  A cesspool of sig campaigning google translate feces.
Stay in this thread.  It is the only reliably decent place on the forum.
I absolutely agree with you 100%.
The funny thing is they tried to lock this thread. All the shit out there on the forum with shilling and broken sentences and this was the thread they tried to stop.  Roll Eyes
Who tried?
some moderator got tired of the complaints, so locked it. the original op had fucked off, so wasn't modding it.
theymos (may Cthulhu save and protec him) let us pick a new op (mCsaph), relaxed the rules and unlocked it.

And interestingly, after relaxing the rules, we have less spam, blatant shilling and trolling than before. Removing the signatures from displaying on this thread made wonders.
2906  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 21, 2018, 07:42:36 AM
Bitcoin's hash rate is dropping considerably right now.. bit concerning because it drops too fast the difficulty adjustment may never happen. Actually difficulty adjustment is an intrinsic threat.. if ever bitcoin had to go through a hard fork, that's something I'd fix (not sure I'd hard fork it though).
That happened with IXcoin a while back - and it took a couple of months with virtually no blocks generated before we got the difficulty back down

Except that's not happening in BTC. It is true the hashrate has remained in the same range since August and currently it is on the lower side of that range but it would need a considerable drop for that to be any "problem". Also, as soon as the hashrate goes down moderately over time the difficulty adapts. I will be worried when/if I see a sudden significant drop of hashrate. Other than that is just pure FUD.
2907  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 21, 2018, 06:45:57 AM

I am supplementing my earlier post to you, bitserve.  

More or less, I had expected that $3k would have been the extreme maximum of any BTC price correction in this cycle, and surely our price correction down to $4k (more than $2k in less than a week) has also been a bit more and a bit faster than I expected, so in some sense, I have overbought on this downward leg a bit.

I considered that it was necessary to take my own advice in my earlier post to you, bitserve, and I reassessed all of my still outstanding buy orders and the amount of fiat that had been allocated to those buy orders.  

I have now reset my buy orders to go down to $2k.

Of course, the amounts of my buy orders seem to have become more and more pathetic because I feel that I have overbought a bit out of an expectation that we would not be going here.

Nonetheless, we are here, and my reconsideration of my buy orders have caused me to feel more prepared for down to $2k and to buy all the way down, if such a bTC price drop were to happen quickly.  If such BTC price drop were to come about more slowly (that is if there were to be a drop) then I would have the ability to reassess and potentially add more fiat with upcoming anticipated cashflow - whether it were to take 3 months or a year or maybe longer (even worse case scenarios that seem quite implausible and unlikely but still have to psychologically and financially prepare)... , and of course, any radical BTC price moves along the way may cause reconsideration(s) based on plans and strategies already in place.  

I have a bit of a sense, maybe even a bit above 50/50 that our bottom is already "in" at $4k, but gosh, we can really never know how many more coins rich people might be willing to throw at this situation and hoping to take advantage of the current state of bitcoin (even while there is no real fundamental problems).. and any possible downward momentum that they believe to still have based on breaks of various levels of support in the past approximate 6 days.

That's a sound plan and it is probably what I would do, except I am basically out of the trading game as my trading fiat is practically depleted. I will probably just throw it sooner than later to buy a little bit more but, it won't make any difference. As I say it is too little.

Contrary to the 2013-2014 downtrend where I was able to almost double my BTC count I haven't played my cards well this time. I was overconfident that once $10K was breached on the uptrend (something I did not expected to happen so soon, but in a few more years IF lucky) it would act as a support/bottom. More so when the ATH reached almost double than that.

So I not only sold too little from $10K to $19K but I depleted most of it rebuying on the way down to $10K. Under $10K I was already out of my plan and could only do some scrapping on the volatility here and there.

Also scrapping on the volatility was way better/easier right after the 2013 ATH than it is now, for three reasons:

- The volatility was brutal, with huge flash spikes all over the place.

- Arbitrage and bots were not as advanced, and there were a few seconds delay between huobi (where most big movements originated) and Bitstamp action. So it was possible to outrun other traders if you were quick.

- I was trading much more aggressively and with most of my stash. This time I tried to maintain my exchanges exposure to the same in fiat valuation, extracting BTC periodically to cold storage to achieve that target. I ended with only around 5-10% of my stash online and, even then, only a minor part of it in FIAT.

I did not adapt to the circumstances, or better yet my interpretation of the circumstances was incorrect.

I thought the market had already matured enough that a correction as deep as the previous was out of question. I fooled myself.

Still I have been able to "beat the market" in the sense that I end with a bit more BTC (which is always my goal) but for me is a failure.

Anyway, current price is more or less in line with my previous expectation so, in a sense, everything is going according to my plan as if the FOMO/bubble phase of the last bullrun didn't ever happen.

I only feel a bit saddened for not having taken advantage of the opportunity of, at least, doubling again and for not having done anything when I indeed knew in december that this had to implode.

My target is not to reach a price where I cash it all out but to have a stash that even when bottoming I still have enough to "retire" so I won't have to care about price shenanigans anymore. That will only be possible if Bitcoin really succeeds. So that's where my main bet is. Will try to play my cards better next time, though.  
2908  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 20, 2018, 08:26:15 PM
Well, at this point there shouldn't be much leveraged longs still alive. Can't say the same about shorts.
2909  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 20, 2018, 08:17:16 PM
I have already lost like 80% of my peak value at ATH. The remaining 20% I can wipe my ass with it. Good luck in prying my coins from my cold, dead hands.
2910  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 20, 2018, 07:54:48 PM
I don't think noone is "joining" right now.... I wouldn't, why would they?

Cheep coinz.

One of my nocoiner friends who has been anti-crypto thus far took interest after the crash that's happening atm. He even called me today and asked around a bit where it could be going and is planning to buy some. Peoples minds work in a strange way.

That's weird. Usually they work the other way around. They try to buy for first time in the last stage of the bull run. At least that's my individual experience.

Also when they try to buy while it is going down, they don't have no hurry as the think the price could go lower so they decide to wait, then the price go up and they think they miss the opportunity in comparison to when they THOUGHT to buy but they didn't. On the other hand, when the price keeps rising AND they decide to buy, they go full retard into FOMO and buy asap (usually just before the downtrend).

Yep, I was quite surprised when he changed his mind in a falling market, but at least he is taking interest now.

Had another nocoiner mate who was eager to buy in December last year, he got is fiat deposited (15k) when the price was around $15k. I told him to wait, not to buy anything as I thought the market is going to collapse any time soon. He didn't take my advice, bought half a bitcoin and some alts. He was crying to me a month later that he had lost over 50% of his investment and that I had given him bad advice about bitcoin and crypto, he didn't want to remember the fact that I told him to wait. He sold everything with a loss and is out of the game, probably until the FOMO starts again.

Yup, that's more consistent with my (and probably most here) experience about nocoiners.
2911  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 20, 2018, 07:51:53 PM
I'm still holding some, I did sell a lot to hedge the risk but I'm still considered a hodler. Making fun of myself as well.

Yes I did call a sub 2k bitcoin within the next 12 months but anything is possible in this market.

Make up your fucking mind. You are a damned box of inconsistencies!

Just because I think it will go lower doesn't mean I'm going to go all in on one decision.  In my opinion is better to hedge the risk instead of going for homeruns all the time.

It doesn't have anything to do with hedging. I am talking about your full post history. Read it and you'll see what I mean.
2912  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 20, 2018, 07:48:25 PM
I'm still holding some, I did sell a lot to hedge the risk but I'm still considered a hodler. Making fun of myself as well.

Yes I did call a sub 2k bitcoin within the next 12 months but anything is possible in this market.

Make up your fucking mind. You are a damned box of inconsistencies and contradictions!
2913  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 20, 2018, 07:34:16 PM
I don't think noone is "joining" right now.... I wouldn't, why would they?

Cheep coinz.

One of my nocoiner friends who has been anti-crypto thus far took interest after the crash that's happening atm. He even called me today and asked around a bit where it could be going and is planning to buy some. Peoples minds work in a strange way.

That's weird. Usually they work the other way around. They try to buy for first time in the last stage of the bull run. At least that's my individual experience.

Also when they try to buy while it is going down, they don't have no hurry as the think the price could go lower so they decide to wait, then the price go up and they think they miss the opportunity in comparison to when they THOUGHT to buy but they didn't. On the other hand, when the price keeps rising AND they decide to buy, they go full retard into FOMO and buy asap (usually just before the downtrend).
2914  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 20, 2018, 07:25:08 PM
Don't tell Bitcoin price



In 2100 you don't tell google what to search for... *HE* knows it in advance.
2915  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 20, 2018, 06:03:03 PM
Nice to wake up and see the price has bounced a little Smiley

I am in better mood today. I have accepted my fate whatever that ends to be.
2916  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 20, 2018, 09:43:53 AM
Just read on Reddit that this drop could be Due to Craig and Johan hash war.

Those two Bitcoin billionaires and scolding their BTC to fund their hashwar.

The hashwar is costing only around $1 million daily. That's not the reason. CSW/Calvin selling/shorting the market while they make every effort to spread chaos maybe is.
2917  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 20, 2018, 09:21:35 AM


If this drops much further, I am going to have to concede that we are in a 2014 scenario rather than a 2013 scenario...




What ?  You really still think the 2013 scenario is possible ?  


I know we read the charts differently, but surely the 2014 was already confirmed by the length and shape of the downtrend ?  This latest plunge just hammers it home.


I want to see a bounce, I hope for recovery soon, but the realist in me is hunkered down for a 3 year winter.
I think it's safe to say at this point that the price is artificially depressed. It won't be 3 years with the halvening coming up.

I think that CSW asshole shorted the market big time before engaging in the ridiculous war against Ver/Jihan. He always knew he couldn't win.
2918  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 20, 2018, 09:14:45 AM
It's interesting how even long timers forget how this market works. This is nothing out of the ordinary, just annoying.

The amounts on the table are *WAY* higher than in the past. That's why.

Not really. Percentage wise, it dropped more in 15' and 11'.....90%+

The amounts on the table. Nor percentage wise or anything. The money value. It wasn't play money anymore.
2919  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 20, 2018, 09:12:15 AM
It's interesting how even long timers forget how this market works. This is nothing out of the ordinary, just annoying.

The amounts on the table are *WAY* higher than in the past. That's why.
The last time I was under water. This is nothing.

I didn't really mind when I was thousands of $ underwater. I feel badly hurt when I see hundreds of thousands of unrealised profits being vanished in front of my eyes.
2920  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 20, 2018, 09:09:54 AM
I have just noticed the poll. What kind of joke has infofront made on us? Or were we above $5000 when the poll was set?
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