A 'pebble' falling from several kilometers (without any acceleration except for gravity) will kill you I think. At least that's what I remember my calculation of over a decade ago.
Did you account for air drag, or did you only consider gravitational acceleration? At that time it would have lost all of its rotation and probably would be just tumbling with added air drag. A parabolic shoot on the other hand.... But still most probably not deadly... if it was so unfortunate to hit someone in the head/eyes/neck. Which is like an extremely small probability in itself. A hit to the body of person with clothes would probably just bounce (not without some moderate impact pain depending on clothes thickness) and not penetrate. Sigh..we have to get ya'll some more edjumacation..just saying. Out of the more than 500 shots fired from the test platform only 4 falling bullets struck the platform and one fell in the boat near the platform. One of the bullets striking the platform left a 1/16 inch deep mark in the soft pine board. The bullet struck base first. Based on the results of these tests it was concluded that the bullet return velocity was about 300 f.p.s. For the 150 gr. bullet this corresponds to an energy of 30 foot pounds. Earlier the Army had determined that, on the average, it required 60 foot pounds of energy to produce a disabling wound. Based on this information, a falling 150 gr. service bullet would not be lethal, although it could produce a serious wound. https://web.archive.org/web/20080331192517/http://www.loadammo.com/Topics/March01.htmhttps://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/K-12/airplane/termv.htmlWe could dive into Stokes Law or Reynolds numbers but I think I will just leave it with this. I dont know about you but a 1/16 inch dent in my skull sounds pretty painful...if not immediately lethal. From your own data: - Most of the bullets did not even hit the platform. (What I said about human pobablation density). - 4 hit (out of 500), but only ONE left a 1.5mm mark on wood? So even in that rare case most probably not deadly even if a head hit (surely painful) and, according to your own data: "Based on this information, a falling 150 gr. service bullet would not be lethal, although it could produce a serious wound" It would not even penetrate the skull. There is hair, skin, meat, and bones all of which would cushion that 1.5mm dent better than wood. A serious concussion? Maybe. A slight probability of a deadly concussion? Yeah, but very slight indeed. Anyway, no, I wouldn't want that random "lucky" bullet hitting me right in the middle of my fucking head or, even worse, an eye  In other words an unacceptable risk. Unacceptable? It depends. How much would would I get for you to fire 500 rounds straight up in the air and me standing in place waiting for the more than improbable non-lethal head hit? P.S.: I have good hair, mind you. You'd have to pay me for it. I know how americans love lawsuits. hahahah, I am Spanish not American, and a little bit crazy maybe, but no, indeed it would not be cheap for me to do that even if I (theoretically) consider the risk is very low in comparison to other daily activities... Not cheap at all, even if just for compensating me being scared as hell besides all the probabilities in my favour. |
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A 'pebble' falling from several kilometers (without any acceleration except for gravity) will kill you I think. At least that's what I remember my calculation of over a decade ago.
Did you account for air drag, or did you only consider gravitational acceleration? At that time it would have lost all of its rotation and probably would be just tumbling with added air drag. A parabolic shoot on the other hand.... But still most probably not deadly... if it was so unfortunate to hit someone in the head/eyes/neck. Which is like an extremely small probability in itself. A hit to the body of person with clothes would probably just bounce (not without some moderate impact pain depending on clothes thickness) and not penetrate. Sigh..we have to get ya'll some more edjumacation..just saying. Out of the more than 500 shots fired from the test platform only 4 falling bullets struck the platform and one fell in the boat near the platform. One of the bullets striking the platform left a 1/16 inch deep mark in the soft pine board. The bullet struck base first. Based on the results of these tests it was concluded that the bullet return velocity was about 300 f.p.s. For the 150 gr. bullet this corresponds to an energy of 30 foot pounds. Earlier the Army had determined that, on the average, it required 60 foot pounds of energy to produce a disabling wound. Based on this information, a falling 150 gr. service bullet would not be lethal, although it could produce a serious wound. https://web.archive.org/web/20080331192517/http://www.loadammo.com/Topics/March01.htmhttps://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/K-12/airplane/termv.htmlWe could dive into Stokes Law or Reynolds numbers but I think I will just leave it with this. I dont know about you but a 1/16 inch dent in my skull sounds pretty painful...if not immediately lethal. From your own data: - Most of the bullets did not even hit the platform. (What I said about human pobablation density). - 4 hit (out of 500), but only ONE left a 1.5mm mark on wood? So even in that rare case most probably not deadly even if a head hit (surely painful) and, according to your own data: "Based on this information, a falling 150 gr. service bullet would not be lethal, although it could produce a serious wound" It would not even penetrate the skull. There is hair, skin, meat, and bones all of which would cushion that 1.5mm dent better than wood. A serious concussion? Maybe. A slight probability of a deadly concussion? Yeah, but very slight indeed. Anyway, no, I wouldn't want that random "lucky" bullet hitting me right in the middle of my fucking head or, even worse, an eye In other words an unacceptable risk. Unacceptable? It depends. How much would would I get for you to fire 500 rounds straight up in the air and me standing in place waiting for the more than improbable non-lethal head hit? P.S.: I have good hair, mind you. |
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A 'pebble' falling from several kilometers (without any acceleration except for gravity) will kill you I think. At least that's what I remember my calculation of over a decade ago.
Did you account for air drag, or did you only consider gravitational acceleration? At that time it would have lost all of its rotation and probably would be just tumbling with added air drag. A parabolic shoot on the other hand.... But still most probably not deadly... if it was so unfortunate to hit someone in the head/eyes/neck. Which is like an extremely small probability in itself. A hit to the body of person with clothes would probably just bounce (not without some moderate impact pain depending on clothes thickness) and not penetrate. Sigh..we have to get ya'll some more edjumacation..just saying. Out of the more than 500 shots fired from the test platform only 4 falling bullets struck the platform and one fell in the boat near the platform. One of the bullets striking the platform left a 1/16 inch deep mark in the soft pine board. The bullet struck base first. Based on the results of these tests it was concluded that the bullet return velocity was about 300 f.p.s. For the 150 gr. bullet this corresponds to an energy of 30 foot pounds. Earlier the Army had determined that, on the average, it required 60 foot pounds of energy to produce a disabling wound. Based on this information, a falling 150 gr. service bullet would not be lethal, although it could produce a serious wound. https://web.archive.org/web/20080331192517/http://www.loadammo.com/Topics/March01.htmhttps://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/K-12/airplane/termv.htmlWe could dive into Stokes Law or Reynolds numbers but I think I will just leave it with this. I dont know about you but a 1/16 inch dent in my skull sounds pretty painful...if not immediately lethal. From your own data: - Most of the bullets did not even hit the platform. (What I said about human pobablation density). - 4 hit (out of 500), but only ONE left a 1.5mm mark on wood? So even in that rare case most probably not deadly even if a head hit (surely painful) and, according to your own data: "Based on this information, a falling 150 gr. service bullet would not be lethal, although it could produce a serious wound" It would not even penetrate the skull. There is hair, skin, meat, and bones all of which would cushion that 1.5mm dent better than wood. A serious concussion? Maybe. A slight probability of a deadly concussion? Yeah, but very slight indeed. Anyway, no, I wouldn't want that random "lucky" bullet hitting me right in the middle of my fucking head or, even worse, an eye |
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A 'pebble' falling from several kilometers (without any acceleration except for gravity) will kill you I think. At least that's what I remember my calculation of over a decade ago.
Did you account for air drag, or did you only consider gravitational acceleration? At that time it would have lost all of its rotation and probably would be just tumbling with added air drag. A parabolic shoot on the other hand.... But still most probably not deadly... if it was so unfortunate to hit someone in the head/eyes/neck. Which is like an extremely small probability in itself. A hit to the body of person with clothes would probably just bounce (not without some moderate impact pain depending on clothes thickness) and not penetrate. |
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Last year I was a millionaire (in dollars).
means that you had (or perhaps have?) more than 53 (in bitcoins) hahaha, I like how you always like to make people recognise how many BTC they do have. As a penalty I will say my educated guess is that you have, with a high degree of certainty, an amount between 40 and 150 BTC. And, if I had to guess the exact amount, I would say around 60 right now... including alt/shitcoins and trading fiat. Of course this is all just my own speculation with absolutely no factual resemblance to reality. P.S.: I have less than that... and that is a FACT. thats a guess on who of those 2?  On JJG of course, because he is always trying to make other people say it Again... I might be perfectly wrong. If I *really* knew it, I would say NOTHING. |
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when firing into the air, when it comes down its just at normal falling speed as its expended all its energy on the way up. wont hurt anymore than a pebble of equivalent weight falling on you.
Yeah. Common misconception that a bullet travels just as fast on the way down as on the way up. Then again, 230 grains with a BC of about 1/4 at terminal velocity would still be unpleasant. Most probably not deadly at all plus the human density is pretty low in comparison to free space even in densely habited areas. Parabolic arcs (ie 45 degrees) are way more dangerous... and still the above applies. |
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Last year I was a millionaire (in dollars).
means that you had (or perhaps have?) more than 53 (in bitcoins) hahaha, I like how you always like to make people recognise how many BTC they do have. As a penalty I will say my educated guess is that you have, with a high degree of certainty, an amount between 40 and 150 BTC. And, if I had to guess the exact amount, I would say around 60 right now... including alt/shitcoins and trading fiat. Of course this is all just my own speculation with absolutely no factual resemblance to reality. P.S.: I have less than that... and that is a FACT. |
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Yuh I'm dead impressed gentlemand didn't run off to Southend with Arriemoller's £1.60 +p&p. He could have settled with a gypsy woman and rubbed crystal balls while she cackled. But no, he did a trustworthy thing that one time.
Yeah, credit where it is due. A true gentlemand. |
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Im nowhere on the centralised trustles default pseudo trustlist (2nd layer) my name is mud  I don't know how it exactly works, but I have you in my white trustbox if that is worth anything yeah, the whole "trust" thing seems very opaque to me I did add FlensGold to my white box as he is the one member that ever had the opportunity to steal from me and didn't. when someone has a clear chance of stealing, and does not steal.... yeah that earns trust Credit where it is due but... except people behaviour may change depending on the circumstances. Never forget that. Never trust anyone that have nothing to lose and much to gain by cheating you. Don't trust, verify. P.S.: Also, the fact that someone is trustable doesn't mean his criteria about other people trust may be correct. In fact it is usually the contrary. |
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^ Just so you can finally shut up repeating the same old argument over and over. Yes, we are going to a cashless society. That is probably already irreversible, it's just a matter of time.
No, I don't think states are supporting Bitcoin for that nor they really need to but if that were the case it would go to the moon first.
Now just fucking stop FFS.
What do you mean we are going to a cashless society? The only time I have used cash in the past 12 months was when I was defeated by a parking machine in a UK seaside town which would not let me out without a pound coin. I had to go to an ATM and then to a pub to buy a beer so I could get a coin. Fucking savages in the UK. Well that's exactly what I mean. I still profusely use cash because of reasons. Most people don't because of convenience. But we are going onto a path where soon will come the day that we won't be able to use cash (for the most part) even if WE WANTED TO. Most euro countries you can not even buy a high end TV set using cash. It's forbidden by law. They will keep decreasing the max limits over time. Why? Because cash is way harder to control than banking fiat or even Bitcoin. I only use cash for herbs or while in Japan. Too lazy to pass by an ATM otherwise. What's the deal with those max limits though? And how recent is that? I bought a high-end TV some 10 years ago with cash and didn't have an issue with that. Granted that was pay cash on delivery, but still. The restrictions started a few years ago. The max limit has been gradually being lowered. It depends on each country, currently it is 2500€ in Spain. They tried to change it to max 1000€ for this year, but it didn't pass. It will eventually do. The reasoning behind is that it is a way to counter money laundering and tax "avoidance" (which makes sense indeed) among others. Also, 500€ notes have been stopped to be printed and will be gradually be retired out of circulation during the next few years, leaving the (even more rare) 200€ note as the highest cash denomination. Yes, we are going to a cashless society not only because people is already used and prefer to avoid it and just use credit cards, but because the states will have more control that way. No, I don't like it. That's one of the reasons I am into Bitcoin. |
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36 years ago I was only using telnet.... no, wait... I wasn't even using Internet, just BBS.  P.S.: Bleh, it's not that much critical: CVE-2018-20685 - An SCP client app allows a remote SCP server to modify permissions of the target directory.
CVE-2019-6111 - A malicious SCP server can overwrite arbitrary files in the SCP client target directory. If a recursive operation (-r) is performed, the server can manipulate subdirectories as well (for example overwrite .ssh/authorized_keys).
CVE-2019-6109 - The terminal client output can be manipulated via ANSI code to hide subsequent operations.
CVE-2019-6110 - Similar as above. |
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^ Just so you can finally shut up repeating the same old argument over and over. Yes, we are going to a cashless society. That is probably already irreversible, it's just a matter of time.
No, I don't think states are supporting Bitcoin for that nor they really need to but if that were the case it would go to the moon first.
Now just fucking stop FFS.
What do you mean we are going to a cashless society? The only time I have used cash in the past 12 months was when I was defeated by a parking machine in a UK seaside town which would not let me out without a pound coin. I had to go to an ATM and then to a pub to buy a beer so I could get a coin. Fucking savages in the UK. Well that's exactly what I mean. I still profusely use cash because of reasons. Most people don't because of convenience. But we are going onto a path where soon will come the day that we won't be able to use cash (for the most part) even if WE WANTED TO. Most euro countries you can not even buy a high end TV set using cash. It's forbidden by law. They will keep decreasing the max limits over time. Why? Because cash is way harder to control than banking fiat or even Bitcoin. |
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^ Hey don't quote me to dump all your totally unrelated and demented shit. You are absolutely unable to focus and argue about anything as a normal barely functional person could do. Go see a doctor.
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^ Just so you can finally shut up repeating the same old argument over and over. Yes, we are going to a cashless society. That is probably already irreversible, it's just a matter of time.
No, I don't think states are supporting Bitcoin for that nor they really need to but if that were the case it would go to the moon first.
Now just fucking stop FFS.
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that INB4 was for in already ( as posted already)
No. I have never really understood the exact meaning of the INB4 expressions, but it seems to mean something like current moment is before something that would probably happen in the future. So, according the crazy inflation of your post now is before and in the future there will be Bitcoin pentimillionaries if that comes to reality. Something like that. It's hard to explain some obscure expression when english is not even my language lol |
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When I was younger I was able to sleep in the middle of a death metal concert. Now at my middle age, I can't stand a slightest noise. Not just while I sleep but also when I am awake. Sometimes I just want to strangle the people who talk way too loudly. I want to shout at their faces "SHUT THE FUCK UP!" Btw I bought some more today.  Patience remains a virtue, which should be more adhanced with age. I have come to understand that I am a bit less risk taking with personal confrontations as I have aged, because it seems quite likely that my face will not take a punch (or a sucker punch) as easily as I could have tolerated in my youth.  We also are more conscious on what we would have to lose if we "win" the fight. It is not worth it unless for survival reasons. I was very crazy not so long ago. I have changed a lot too. Life is much easier this way. I generally wouldn't risk it anyways. You never know what kind of retard is carrying a knife or gun around and ready to stab the shit out of you before you can react, regardless of whether or not you have weapons of your own. There are also the incredibly rare events where you could get one-hit killed by pure chance (hitting your head on a fall down or whatever), regardless of how strong you may or may not be. I'll take a potentially longer life over flaunting my ego any day. If I wanted to fight I'd do it in a more controlled environment. Not sure how that would change if there weren't a select few people who'd be devastated if I randomly died though, as that's a very big motivator for risk-management for me. As I said, one of the main factors is having or not having anything to lose. Something you usually don't know about your "opponent" (granted you don't chose them unless you are a retard constantly looking for proper "victims"). Also as you said there are always more skilled or armed opponents, more fierce or just more lucky. I haven't worked so hard in my life to lose it all on a completely stupid animal overreaction that could be smartly avoided. That being said, anyone is capable of anything depending on the circumstances of the moment. Even completely stupid things coming from an otherwise smart individual. |
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When I was younger I was able to sleep in the middle of a death metal concert. Now at my middle age, I can't stand a slightest noise. Not just while I sleep but also when I am awake. Sometimes I just want to strangle the people who talk way too loudly. I want to shout at their faces "SHUT THE FUCK UP!" Btw I bought some more today. Patience remains a virtue, which should be more adhanced with age. I have come to understand that I am a bit less risk taking with personal confrontations as I have aged, because it seems quite likely that my face will not take a punch (or a sucker punch) as easily as I could have tolerated in my youth. We also are more conscious on what we would have to lose if we "win" the fight. It is not worth it unless for survival reasons. I was very crazy not so long ago. I have changed a lot too. Life is much easier this way. |
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This is something I ponder on and off. That 1-3% figure is pretty far out. I'll bet there are people who've been reading this thread for longer than most of us have been here who've never even registered, let alone written anything. I'm sure it's easy to be intimidated by the astonishing power and paint-stripping insight of titanic intellects such as the one I happen to possess. I still think they should make themselves known. We need a lurker amnesty. Come on out. We won't hurt you. Finally, someone polite enough to invite the guy in the corner. I've been lurking since Spring 2012. AMA. Welcome to the visible side of the forum! - How long have you been reading the WO? Do you think we are all crazy or just a few of us? - Are you bullish or bearish? - Hodler since 2012? I'll start with those three |
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^ @ibian
A "riot" of otherwise civilised citizens is nothing. Not dangerous at all.... How many have died? I don't know, but I don't think that many. Most probably less than people driving their cars (which is an statistically more dangerous activity).
As I said, you need to go other parts of the world (preferably in active war) to find out what humans are really capable of in terms of real life-threatening violence... if that's what you are into.
I wouldn't be surprised you would be scared like a pussy initially.... until you accepted the new reality and turned into full "survival mode".
P.S.: I really don't know how this turned from my preference to have noisy (but otherwise friendly and civilised) neighbours so that we can better come along with each other... to your preference for life-threatening experiences lol
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and thats on land. the ocean is less forgiving.
Can we all move in with you? It sound very reassuring there. In return for food, power and guns I can offer toast making, as long as it's your bread and you're not too fussy, and I'll keep my room tidy. depends. youll have to meet our cats standards, which are much higher than ours. you would also have to be ok with extremely loud music at all times of the day and night, mostly pink floyd, rush, lynyrd skynyrd and other southern rock, and punk. and the music the wife and i play on our instuments; hers played well and mine that sucks. plus random weapons fire at any time. any negatives? LOL right? When the guy next door to me moved in (the dude with the 69 Camaro drag car I have posted before) the first words he said to me were "hi, were your loud new neighbors". Well, my band is in the front room, half stack, 400W of bass, drummer is a hitter, PA...we get along swimmingly. I have always preferred to have noisy neighbours so that they don't complain if/when I want to be really noisy too. Would hate to have a "full silence lover maniac" as neighbour... especially one that wouldn't understand that the problem is theirs and should better isolate their home or buy some fucking earplugs if they are so maniac about it. I would end up punching you in the face. Probably repeatedly. And worse if eventually getting out of prison for it was on the table. I have this theory that humans fundamentally do not like other humans. We simply need one another to survive. You are one of the last people I would have said was one of those full silence maniacs. Contrary to you I DO indeed like other humans. I just ask they mind their own business as I do with mine. In a culture where physical violence is illegal, you never really can tell who is a warrior. It's my main source of stress. Buying a boat just so I could sail into a storm was one of the healthiest things I have ever done, but unfortunately, there are no bears out on the sea. It got boring. Oh, there are not many "warriors" anymore... that are not jailed I mean. But a good tell tale is to try to avoid engaging anyone that have much less to lose than you. We are all warriors in some degree inside, it is just culture, society and potential punishment what restrain us most of the time. If you really want a good "fight" just go to a hot war zone... you will probably soon find out what I mean. |
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