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2481  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 12, 2018, 08:40:59 PM
This is gonna be a fucking long and boring winter.

Lots of time for grooming, style and plastic surgery tips.

I expect an army of Bogdanoffs to show up for the big buck party.

We(*) should make an index so that newbies know where to find all the wisdom of the WO encyclopedia. It can get confusing with all the chitchat about Bitcoin.




(*) Infofront.
2482  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 12, 2018, 08:32:38 PM
This is gonna be a fucking long and boring winter.

No wonder hordes of people go commit crypto suicide at 100x on Bitmex.
2483  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 12, 2018, 08:00:30 PM
I'd rather hodl my 2 bitcoins instead of spending them on stupid shit. Hair is only good when you are young.

After your thirties, grow a big beard and shave your head like Kerry King. Hit a gym and get some tattoos. You'll look like a badass.  Grin

Edit: btw there is a pill which grows hair but there is a side effect. It also grows your boobs and kills your balls. So ... Grin

But we need to have some things to spend our huge future riches Smiley

And, really, my friend has now better hair than when he was 18. Absolutely impressive job. Nothing to do with those awful doll hair jobs of decades ago.

He says it is the best investment he has done in his life.
2484  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 12, 2018, 07:51:34 PM
What's the rationale behind the Bitcorn halving by the way? Why not some sort of continuous curve that converges to zero?

To give us a wee thrill to look forward to every few years?

Perhaps Satoshi was a shameless showman after all. Everyone loves a cliffhanger.



I'd rather be poor and have a full head of hair than be rich and bald

At the age of 43 or whatever I am mine's just starting to fray.

I wouldn't mind at all if it was turning into a widow's peak, that's a good look, but mine's only going directly in the centre of the forehead which looks fucking awful so I'm going to wind up looking like the victim of a driveby lobotomy.

Weird how just a few square cm on one portion of your skull turns you from someone normal-looking to a drooling goon.

Hair implants have advanced *A LOT*. A problem you can solve with a couple of BTC (at current prices) is not a problem.

A friend of mine got one done. He has more hair now than when he was 18 lol
2485  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 12, 2018, 01:56:37 PM
let us say this season was the season of the beers ........

https://twitter.com/CryptoSays/status/1072749863228633088

next will be ours Smiley

I can drink all of them!

P.S.: Let's just hope next season is the season of champagne, caviar, oysters, signature cocktails and all our wishes coming reality.
2486  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 12, 2018, 12:33:16 PM
I really have absolutely no fucking idea what the price is gonna do next. Bitcoin is like a box of
2487  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 12, 2018, 05:20:29 AM
Oh, and I found where the "mistake" was in the 80.000BTC address analysis and its relation with the EFF: It is a clear case of "Not your keys, not your Bitcoins".

The EFF, at that time, was using a "MyBitcoin" wallet address. So, the output from the EFF deposit address was either going to MyBitcoin cold wallet or another user (less probable because there is no change address in the tx) withdrawing coins from it. Or to "Bitcoin Marketplace" one of the first "exchanges".

Maybe the 80000BTC is related to one of those sites or their owners... It doesn't really matters anyway.

2488  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 12, 2018, 05:09:12 AM

It always seem to happen like that.  Fuck.  I am going to quit this McieD's bullshit (and having to rub elbows with the likes of jbreher for 4 hours) as soon as I can get enough money for my own apartment.  You fuckers.   Angry

Inb4 jbreher leaves the franchise to run his own burguer place where you can order the TRUE BigMac (XXXXL size - Ronald Mcdonald Vision)
2489  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 12, 2018, 12:38:45 AM
What about this guy? -> 1FeexV6bAHb8ybZjqQMjJrcCrHGW9sb6uF (https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/1FeexV6bAHb8ybZjqQMjJrcCrHGW9sb6uF?offset=200&filter=6)

80000BTC. Hasn't moved since march 2011.

... who are you that you go trawling through everybody else's business, IRS??

pretty sure I know this guy and he's probably forgotten about this stuff, bitcoin just isn't important to him anymore, he's got a lot going on ...

just leave people the fuck alone sometimes would ya?

Crypto winter is boring, you know....
2490  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 12, 2018, 12:25:30 AM
WTF!

I decided to take another try at trying to find out the history behind that 80000BTC dormant account tracing back some of the inputs.... and... Does that address belong to the EFF?!?!

that would be cool

I doubt it though, usually good stuff like that doesn't actually happen.

Well, I will try to expose my steps at tracing it back to reach my conclusion and let's see where is the mistake I (probably) made:

- Address with a balance of 80000 BTC that hasn't moved since march 2011: 1FeexV6bAHb8ybZjqQMjJrcCrHGW9sb6uF

- Addresses that funded that balance in one single tx at 2011-03-01:

Quote
1HGBF5vta4mfgmej8ZB4iTPx6yFsb6zvKy
184BCyFbhZBEGX9vvko9gbYaQt4Wj2HPNr
1J8ENxKSec9ghFvhfTrVjrBTvETEZNhqyF
1JcHoTwTa81HMYunR6uG4tB6zX3LpfaQti
1KWGJEJmSCu2hRA3vwTHKFE8173uRFQ6A8
1GcLjWwpAECpqZRghT1XEWuE6CS5FBLrmR
15uDPXE75Ed52qRJgsW7NwQ6ngDCJb5TDn
1FQtCEEEiLuFTvhbx4Z5fda3GXV5xXzmfN
1GPuT4JD1yKTEGnw2csTCqSAtS3DRiTD69
1FwnhahzYerpristjzo2iCSdFQUk9fGa1X
1H8jofCTJgMBgnNRTQarSdg2RXmzw94SMC
1BDLPfCCnvE6Uhx4ypbddGQhnxoSScbx8L
1CcbZBEDq4faZHaAK4BgodfyUkVfQjRiKK
1D6M2yfQiV1WoBxZym1ExCZDcKKh9uAjrK
14rb7YrJw5ifMM1Pr1oabVujuiEEW1vYqN
1BxLexhhFfHtrboVukidYsrYHLDPaH97A7
1BtXQwXjsvHpbBRrETsdZ7cG3XKMkNsVsp
1HHNNWFqAPqNdPQEUhT8keePvRKZXcq9DV
12AjENFa55qT27d2Tc4YTYtineh1dPHPpH
14Bn5mRas7dBc6pQSxQobN5RE49whMxVou
1Dc9jSB5W7HgyrsNN8P4Uy2FbidfgL4bwD
1F8Sy6P9NMqPrvpaSz5byPoP1poyNkeL8E
14crbtiapfwbiDgqCvMkkoqEAQwC1UF3Ra
16b3L5eiyFny9nggwmAjbtx6b4xjwJfu8y
1P6ZvBftEqhrvqWSWicWRHrbTeSKLFzJMy
16rRCLrmTa6Be8wQF7UkX5m765WqpuZjYn
1EC7bX9TucqzKL4aCRQb5UhsgdxdSn2w4z
   

I now assume all that addresses belong the same person. I guess this is not mistake.

Ok, now look at the last of those addresses:    1EC7bX9TucqzKL4aCRQb5UhsgdxdSn2w4z

It was funded with 6679BTC  on 2010-12-25. Thats its only funding, so again we assume all the funding addresses belong to the same individual. Maybe the mistake is here.

This are the funding addresses:

Quote
1JTmqXYFfdjWW2Z6TvbkfPT8L8vHdKGyMc
1LEKtycHHRCqj2TBEiqPeBdiWYY3RFj3BU
144xPDeQsk7vXgmRWqzETGQSUuFKzY24zq
1CWtqXYyZT5crpX4Jf1fmML1vESxUnAF3P
126bMAWKb9JPt4Rc1gTvtoF9bew1SA8Uzm
1MCwBbhNGp5hRm5rC1Aims2YFRe2SXPYKt (cgt )
1BMt8dxBwreG3ALu8RPqNhvtWTC2rak7ii
1Gq6YyhbJpeJyLewQ1kRuMS6cXkuHZGjyt

Well, we can assume all that addresses for sure belong to the same "person" even if it not the same of the 1EC7bX9TucqzKL4aCRQb5UhsgdxdSn2w4z one.

The amount is around $1700 at the time.

And... here is the interesting point... who is this "person"?

Well 1MCwBbhNGp5hRm5rC1Aims2YFRe2SXPYKt (cgt ) is the old EFF donations addresses. It is assumed all the other also belong to them.

So..... Either the 80000BTC belongs to the EFF too.... or to "someone" the EFF would donate $1700 on 25 december 2010. Wait a min.... Maybe Wikileaks/Assange?!?!?

Please someone tell me where I am mistaken.



2491  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 12, 2018, 12:07:37 AM
WTF!

I decided to take another try at trying to find out the history behind that 80000BTC dormant account tracing back some of the inputs.... and... Does that address belong to the EFF?!?!
2492  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 11, 2018, 11:22:49 PM
They probably do. Once you get into "the game" you don't quit unless you played roulette and got burnt so hard that you can't get back even if you wanted to.

Like the guy who lost BTC7000 on Just-Dice back in the day?

Think big....

What about this guy? -> 1FeexV6bAHb8ybZjqQMjJrcCrHGW9sb6uF (https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/1FeexV6bAHb8ybZjqQMjJrcCrHGW9sb6uF?offset=200&filter=6)

80000BTC. Hasn't moved since march 2011.
2493  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 11, 2018, 11:07:57 PM
BLah, the conclusions are useless. Nothing we didn't already knew. Don't know what I was expecting lol
2494  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 11, 2018, 10:49:52 PM
Well, here are the conclusions of my little survey:

- Most agree we are in accumulation zone but, while some are buying a little, there is a total lack of confidence that we really are at the bottom.

- Some are expecting lower prices for the bigger purchases but buying now some just in case.

- Even the ones that are waiting for prices like 1500, 2500, etc are aware that might not ever happen.

- Some simply dollar cost average without much regards to short/medium term trends.

- Some just trade dips for small profits.

- FOMO level=0

- FEAR LEVEL=high

- Some have doubts regarding wearing their hats. A weak hat dump have been completely rejected this time. Hats are still in charge.

- Most of the conclusions are SOMA because of the small sample size.

- This is not financial advice. No animal was harmed in the making of this survey.



2495  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 11, 2018, 09:34:33 PM
@bitserve

Other data, which I think is important for your WO purchase evaluation:

"It seems to me that everyone here has "Bitcoin, s"

I have enough to have 2, for this reason I am accumulating.

If I had more quantity maybe the approach would be another. Roll Eyes

Yeah, I get that.

If I had 100+ BTC probably I would not be that much obsessed with accumulation or at least not until I had rebalanced (take some profit) it with the rest of my net worth.

On the other hand, it is also possible that people with 100+ BTC say the same about 200, 500, 1000.... Hodlers gonna hodl I guess.

I wonder if the people with tens of thousands of BTC also feel like they need to accumulate more. Maybe they do too.
2496  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 11, 2018, 08:56:13 PM
If no one is buying how the fuck the price stay there? Manipulation?

I am serious (this time), no one here seems to be buying right now, much less the "regular" people, so... who is buying to support the price?

No matter what it 'seems', for every seller of a Bitcoin, there is a buyer of a Bitcoin. Sometimes, this fundamental principle seems to escape attention.

Yes, but the question still is WHO. From the sentiment it doesn't look like the buying is coming from retail investors at all. Traders, whales... maybe. Don't really know, thus my question.
2497  Economy / Speculation / Re: Hat Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 11, 2018, 08:32:17 PM

Same happened to me. Then I found it here: https://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/video/handheld-inverted-fire-tornado-bubble-with-a-66mm-wand/vp-BBQOIWe
2498  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 11, 2018, 06:04:41 PM
yes i bought almost a whole bitcoin !!!!! and 15 ethereum !!!!!

Whale me



But I don't know if that is a significant amount for you or not. That's why I prefer to talk about percentages and also that way there's no need to disclose the actual amounts.

Does that mean you are going significantly in again or you just dipping your toe in the water?

P.S.: I now see you edited your post and said you are are reserving the "big guns".... so dipping your toe it is then.
2499  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 11, 2018, 05:59:18 PM
What about you mic? You are one of the most positive people on Bitcoin and for sure a convinced hodler but... are you BUYING right now?

i play for the coins .... my way for accumulation long term, and till now my fastest way as well, if any of my friends would sell for cash i buy instantly, as my good friend has sent FIAT as well to exchanges to BUY....

my last session of little more as a month ago was a sizeable amount that i did won so increased my stash right there....
this last two weeks i didn't buy any FIAT into BTC
but i'm looking to buy some between now and lower as well cause prices are just becoming a to big of opportunity.

also know i can play with people for fiat (poker) but just always playing for BTC cause it has been my best way to accumulate and as long that i'm doing good i will keep doing this as my main way to increase, also what i have on the cold storage is not leaving anymore, so if i would lose on this low prices, then i would absolute transfer FIAT to buy cheap BTC's and pay them out....

will be looking to transfer FIAT as well cause not many that i know are selling now for cash..... Roll Eyes



Ok, that counts as buying with new money then. If you were just playing for coins and if you lose you send coins that wouldn't count. But if, as you say, if you lose you would use FIAT to pay the lost coins, then yes, that counts.

Ok, let's see if I get more feedback for my research before trying to figure out current situation.

Comment when you arrive in WO, enter Bitcoin in August 2017
Now from $ 4000 down
I buy every time it goes down of $ 500
Example
4000 purchase 0
3500 buys $ 250
3000 buys $ 250
2500 purchase
2000 purchase
That's how I'm doing it.

JJG will be (unusually) happy with your dollar cost average approach regarding purchases. For sure it will get his approval and some deserved merit too.

Since you started in August 2017... did you sell some in the late months or are you using new funds now?
2500  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 11, 2018, 05:54:44 PM


I don't think we are even done with the abject terror part yet.

Give it at least another year for boredom to set it.

funny when i was warning people at 20k about the long winter incoming, i was only getting insults even from regular/experienced hodlers.  I remember the bet for the next all time high where i was the only one betting on 2021 or so. How things change.

yeah, I remember

I remember the content of your posts, and I remember you being a dick.

Perhaps it wasn't the actual information that drew such ire.

How things stay the same.

You have to forgive me, the thread was so delusional at that time that i was in constant cringe mode. "You don't understand, people are buying, general adoption is happening !!!!" everyday i was reading that kind of BS because 3 whales were pumping with usdt hahaha. Sorry but it wasn't bearable for the sane  Wink

What about you luckygenough, are you already rebuying? We all remember your thoughts at the last stages of the bull market but.... what about now?
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