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901  Economy / Economics / Re: Price of gold manipulation on: January 18, 2014, 05:46:39 PM
Related...

I've watched the silver prices much more closely than gold. There is manipulation going on there without a doubt. If you've been watching silver, you know this. The regular spikes in London and NY are far too many to be coincidence.

But, I've not compiled that information. You have only to look at the charts over time to see it. It's pretty obvious.
902  Economy / Economics / Re: DO NOT ALLOW TAXATION IN BITCOIN on: January 18, 2014, 05:35:39 PM

Should? Why?

Why ? Because if revenue is not able to be raised by Govt./Councils etc thru taxation then the kind of things that taxation (at least partially) funds today - namely, social services - would not be funded at all by the private sector/wealth. Its not profitable. Welcome to the jungle.


Well, not really.

What do you want to fund? There isn't a single example of anything that people on their own can't do. Sure, some things might be difficult or mildly inconvenient, but government adds no value. They are middle-men seeking rent.

ISPs are a great example of private companies offering services. The government doesn't do that. If anything, they make the situation worse by allowing cartel behaviour.

Roads? That problem has been solved. Besides, the government doesn't provide roads to everyone anyways. (I have relatives that have had the state refuse to build roads on their street.)

But, other examples just get long and tedious.


For things like state controlled health care, it's a disaster.

Not in the UK - the NHS is a much loved, albeit underfunded, part of the fabric of British society.


Underfunded? Or do you mean they piss away so much money and create overbearing regulations that hike costs so that they further piss money away to the point that providing decent service is near impossible?

That's probably much more likely than "being underfunded".

Canada has this problem - the same issue as the UK. A 1-payer system where they piss money away and force people to go abroad to get health care. 1% of people.

http://dailycaller.com/2014/01/16/report-tens-of-thousands-fled-socialized-canadian-medicine-in-2013/

Lots of horror stories.

Meanwhile, when doctors stop taking state insurance and just charge for their services, they drop prices by over 50%.

"Free" health care is anything but free. But only if you look at the evidence and not the state propaganda.

If anything, the inability of the state to steal wealth from people because they use bitcoins will only make Bitcoin more attractive.

It might short term - to a certain type of free market evangelist - but over the medium term it will make it untenable as any kind of a serious alternative to fiat currency.


I'm not sure why you say that. But I think that starving the state is a good thing. Less wars, etc. etc.


I can see that BTC is attractive to a certain brand of anarchism and/or free market laissez faire capitalism (though I'd have thought the two were mutually exclusive tbh - ironically)


Very much. If you don't believe in using violence to get your way, then Bitcoin is a godsend.


But for me the decentralised nature of BTC is today attractive via its ability to bypass the wests banking system's Ponzi scheme that only serves to urinate on the shoes of the masses - and then tell them that its raining - and makes them pay for the rain  Huh


AMEN to that!

Well... probably more like urinating in their faces, but potato potato. Wink Grin

I'm rooting for the collapse of the bankster ponzi sham.


   Not because it provides the means by which none of us will have to pay any more tax.


Well, I'm also rooting for the demise of the state and for voluntary, non-violent interaction. So, I'm hoping that more and more people use Bitcoins and other crytpo currencies to avoid having the state steal from them.

I'm hoping that Bitcoin helps starve the kleptocratic, fascist police state that we have. I want it to die. Salt & burn its bones.


And to be honest, the only people that would back that concept would be the 1% who control 80% of the wealth.


I think that's a separate issue from just taxation.

The 1% have used the kleptocratic ponzi sham of the banksters and state to steal wealth from everyone else. We need to get rid of their mechanism of theft before we can ever begin to actually enjoy the fruits of our labours. Right now, they enjoy the fruits of our labours. We are little more than animals that they farm for profit. We are tax and debt slaves to be whipped and slaughtered as they see fit.

903  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoins and Taxes on: January 18, 2014, 05:13:41 PM
Why so eager to bend over for the IRS kleptocrats?

It's YOUR money. They have no legitimate claim to it. Keep it away from their sticky fingers as much as possible. Get a second passport. Get bank accounts outside the US with that passport. Check out The Dollar Vigilante and TDV passports.

Don't give your money to the IRS. They'll just piss it away on drone-murdering kids at weddings.

If you give your money to the IRS voluntarily when you don't have to, you are directly supporting murder and evil.
904  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DOGE] Dogecoin - very currency many coin - v1.4 Released MANDATORY UPDATE on: January 18, 2014, 04:59:12 PM
Going to 1000 satoshi within a day or so. I hope  Kiss

FTFY. Wink
905  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DOGE] Dogecoin - very currency many coin - v1.4 Released MANDATORY UPDATE on: January 18, 2014, 04:25:44 PM
BBC - Icebound: The Greatest Dog Story Ever Told Huh

Torrent - Icebound: The Greatest Dog Story Ever Told Huh (EZ)


PFFT~!

No... DOGE is the greatest dog story ever told~! Tongue
906  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Fuckcoin [FUCK] on: January 18, 2014, 04:18:20 PM
waiting for fucking pool !

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Fucking in the pool~! Tongue Grin

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907  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DOGE] Dogecoin - very currency many coin - v1.4 Released MANDATORY UPDATE on: January 18, 2014, 04:02:44 PM
#5



Go DOGE! GO!
908  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DOGE] Dogecoin - very currency many coin - v1.4 Released MANDATORY UPDATE on: January 18, 2014, 03:57:46 PM
Ignore the buggy order book and BUY DOGE~! wow - so cheap - very profit!
909  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Fuckcoin [FUCK] on: January 18, 2014, 03:34:31 PM
wtf is this?

ah fuck off im gonna mine it  Grin

No fuckin' beggin' for that fucker~! Grin
910  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DOGE] Dogecoin - very currency many coin - v1.4 Released MANDATORY UPDATE on: January 18, 2014, 03:31:08 PM
If this buying is in response to the difficulty going up, I wonder where the price will jump when the block halves.

...the Moon?

Dont let it stop before $1.00

I'm sorry. I don't speak fiat. What is that in BTC? Wink
911  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DOGE] Dogecoin - very currency many coin - v1.4 Released MANDATORY UPDATE on: January 18, 2014, 03:30:22 PM
Don't forget to send all your DOGE to DAp1v5QtZDvysVzpxPVyDKDrEt4GnvjhAZ after you've bought it all! Very important! The universe will collapse in on itself and we'll all die otherwise. Tongue Make sure to buy up past 100 satoshis!
912  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Fuckcoin [FUCK] on: January 18, 2014, 02:29:50 PM
Um... Okay, Fuck me Smiley FPjK4pMs6McHEGbe1qHq8ALKtKknvLGm2e

BWAHAHAHAHA~!

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Yes please! But do it hard! Tongue
913  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DOGE] Dogecoin - very currency many coin - v1.4 Released MANDATORY UPDATE on: January 18, 2014, 12:23:49 PM
looks like a show  is over at least for a while - now after an hour or so there will be a pools' dump
Eh, I don't know about that. Huge buy wall around 60, so there's no way it dips any lower than that. Assuming we get more support once people wake up, the show should go on.

The wall is moving up - 62 at the moment. Sell wall is at 100. People better buy now before all the cheap DOGE are gone!
914  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: WHERE ARE MY DOGES?!?!? - AN INFORMATIVE VIDEO on: January 18, 2014, 11:03:38 AM
Great video & explanation!

wow           such video                   many information
                      so graphic                                   very hash

                                       amaze block                           such percentage                       much share
915  Economy / Economics / Re: DO NOT ALLOW TAXATION IN BITCOIN on: January 17, 2014, 08:20:24 PM
As has already been stated, it could (and should) be taxed in the same way as existing fiat currencies. It will be open to abuse/tax fraud - much in the same way as existing fiat.

      Could I ask - if we were not to allow taxation of btc (though I'm not sure how you could achieve this), who would, for example, pay for the National Health Service (in the UK) ? Or would healthcare be left to the free market also ? That would be a shame in my book - I kind of like the idea of healthcare free at the point of delivery  Wink - and not dependant on the level of insurance you could afford.

    FWIW - if it were possible to make Btc immune from taxation I personally believe that over the medium to long term it would slowly sink away into obscurity - it would never be accepted.

Should? Why? Given how hard it is to steal bitcoins from people, the kleptocrats will have a very difficult time forcing people to hand over their bitcoins.

For things like state controlled health care, it's a disaster. Why would you want it? Doctors that have refused to take state health insurance have dropped their prices by 50%+. (I don't have the references handy - sorry.) The state only makes it more expensive to receive lower quality health care.

If anything, the inability of the state to steal wealth from people because they use bitcoins will only make Bitcoin more attractive. Far from fading into obscurity, it will flourish and help starve the state of its ability to wage endless wars and gate-rape travellers. There's no downside. Well, unless you're a state welfare whore, e.g. politicians, police, bureaucrat, etc.

There is nothing that the state does that can't be done better by people. We have clear evidence of this all around us - the economy is only getting worse as the state gets bigger and wastes more and more.
916  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [Research Study] Your First Crypto Coin on: January 17, 2014, 07:20:04 AM
Wow. Dogecoin really way up there. Such popular. Many discovery. So amaze. Wink
917  Economy / Economics / Re: DO NOT ALLOW TAXATION IN BITCOIN on: January 17, 2014, 06:55:17 AM
There is no incentive whatsoever for the tax authorities to redistribute coins.

They will own all of them.

Proof: Silk Road coins have not been redistributed.

Ridiculous. You claim that governments have no incentive to spend money? Where are you from?

And your proof is not proof. They have not been redistributed, yet.

The "They will own all of them." part is actually possible. If every bitcoin transaction is taxed, as all are with fiat, it is possible for the state to accumulate most coins. The faster the velocity of money, the faster it happens.
918  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: GIVEAWAY 10 million PENNIES, PER PERSON on: January 16, 2014, 02:11:12 PM
Added:

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Thanks!
919  Economy / Speculation / Re: Vague similarities... on: January 16, 2014, 02:04:20 PM
Overall we look much more bullish this time around.  However, we clearly still have some bearishness to work through somehow.

Bears make awesome rugs.
920  Economy / Speculation / Re: Poll: Triangle break up or down? on: January 16, 2014, 02:03:20 PM
Long terms is up. So, doesn't matter. I think it's going to go sideways for a bit from here.
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