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1561  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: How to grow the bitcoin you have? on: July 20, 2023, 11:56:11 PM
How to grow the bitcoin you have without being involved in gambling or putting it in a custody wallet for APY.
If you only want to grow the value, you just need to hold it on your private wallet. But if you want to grow the number of your Bitcoin, you can buy more whenever there is a good chance to buy again. You also can trade your Bitcoin if you have skills in trading, you can use the profits to collect more Bitcoin. I think these are the possible ways to grow the Bitcoin.

Put the Bitcoin on gambling isn't the way to grow Bitcoin, it is the way to spend Bitcoin. You must know that winning on gambling is very small chance, too risky to use Bitcoin there. If the purpose is to grow Bitcoin, you shouldn't choose gambling!

1562  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Mistake that prevented your big win. on: July 20, 2023, 11:21:54 PM
Last months I placed my bet on 7 games that was to be played for two days. When the 5th game was played,all matches came out as predicted and I was called by the casino,to offer me a cash out of $200 in my local currency and I refused it because if the other two games was played and the I got the predictions right. I will win $1200,so I turned the offer down. The painful part of it was that the two games were to kick off on the same time,and after the games,my prediction for the two games was wrong. I felt so bad because I allowed greed to control my emotion.
Greedy will always lead to severe losses. It is applied for any field, not only in gambling. In investment and trading, many people also experience the severe losses because they are too greedy. However, it is a valuable experience, you must take a big lesson from the story. I guess you will think more realistically whenever you put your bets again in the future.

It is gambling, don't think more efforts guarantee more wins. Since it is mostly about the luck, just get the prizes whenever you think the prize is enough for you. The casinos won't ever stop to give you more offers of bigger prizes, but you need to think realistically and control your emotion. Always remember that the chance to win won't increase although you put bigger money, especially on the betting.

1563  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: Bagaimana jika satoshi nakamoto menjual seluruh bitcoinnya ? on: July 19, 2023, 11:59:20 PM
Saya lihat opsi votenya ada 4 ya
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1. Kiamat crypto
2. Kesempatan beli Bitcoin
3. Tidak tau
4. Lainnya

Opsi 1

- Kebanjiran supply bukan berarti harga BTC bakal jadi 0. Selain itu crypto itu mencakup altcoins, hilang BTC belum tentu semua altcoins juga ikutan hilang.

- Hampir mustahil Satoshi menjual semua BTC. Kalau niat Satoshi cuman mau rugpull, dia gak bakal nunggu sampe lebih 10 tahun.

Opsi 2

- Gimana ceritanya momen beli BTC kalau harganya berpotensi suram. Ini gak masuk akal, gan.  Cheesy

Opsi 3-4

- Menurut saya opsi 3 tidak perlu, cukup diwakili opsi lainnya.



Opsi yang menurut saya perlu ditambahi:

- Exit segera sebelum harga anjlok
- Tetap hold, harga BTC pasti pulih

1564  Economy / Speculation / Re: When will you sell...next bull run? on: July 19, 2023, 11:44:17 PM
For ATH BTC, it will reach around $ 100k-$ 120k, it is very possible, however, we also have to match it with the current conditions and situation. The price is still $30,235. Will it be in early 2024 or in the middle of being able to, I will also be very interested in watching it.
Indeed. Its ATH can be $100k or $120k but we don't know when it is. It can be in 2025, in 2029, or in 2033.  Grin
To predict the possible ATH to reach, it is surely depending the current situation. However, it is not something easy to analyze it. Even if we can count it with a certain approach, sudden news can ruin it. That's why people always said that the price is unpredictable.

I'd like to believe that the next bull-run all-time-high will be approx. at $141,340.00 - Pure prediction, I will start selling at $120k and above.
How you know it? I know it is a pure prediction, but you must have an approach to claim a certain number like $141,340. And I think $120k can be a too high for the minimum target to sell your Bitcoin. Who can guarantee that BTC can pass $100k? How if Bitcoin even can't achieve $69k again (its last ATH in 2021)?  Undecided

Think about the worse scenario of BTC price in the next bullrun season. Don't only focus on the possibility of good scenario.

1565  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Can I save my brother by investing in btc now? on: July 19, 2023, 11:23:58 PM
Unfortunately bitcoin is not a miracle asset, it's a long term investment and should be treated such.
It can be debatable, whether it is a miracle asset or not. But it is true that investing in Bitcoin isn't an instant way to earn a lot of money. We even wait for 4 years to take profits and not everyone can survive to hold their Bitcoin for years because there are too many FUDs spreading every time. Only people who have strong mentality can succeed in Bitcoin investment.

If someone needs a lot of money in a short time there are only some ways, bank loan, ask family and friends, something like gofundme (as OP mentioned) and the worst possibility gambling and pray for the best. Obviously the last possibility is not advised since the odds of getting 25x on your investment is so small, it is most likely to lose it all.
Get a loan can be one of the solutions, but make sure to get a loan from safe places. But to gamble for expecting big prizes, I'm not sure about this since the chance to win will be always small (below 50%). No problem to try, but don't expect much to get the jackpot/big prizes. Just stop if you are unlikely to earn money from gambling.

Nobody here can help you with this, you have to figure it out by yourself and hopefully with the help of your family and friends.
Actually we can help by providing donation. But we need to ensure that the story is valid first. Then, we need a trusted member who can be the volunteer for collecting the donation. However even if we can make a donation, it won't be easy because China bans crypto. So, it looks like only the people around him who can help him.

1566  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ Football Transfers Speculation, Odds and Predictions on: July 17, 2023, 11:59:21 PM
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Olympique Marseille and Pierre Emerick Aubameyang have reached agreement on three year contract — until 2026 🔵

Aubameyang, open to join OM — that’s why Marseille are optimistic, confident to get it done.

Negotiations with Chelsea, not expected to be complicated.
Source: https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1681048642474369024

Aubameyang has been one of the unlucky professional footballer i have seen played in recent times, he was doing very well at Barcelona when he left Arsenal and I don't understand his move coming back to the premier league. He was a shadow of himself and has had many badluck since coming back to the premier league to join Chelsea. He was removed from the champions league squad after been initially included and that goes to show how unlucky he has been. I wish him to leave the club as the club has given him a go ahead to find his next club. I always thought he'll be heading to Saudi Arabia but seems he still wants to play in Europe.
Chelsea must agree with Olympique Marseille as long as they want to pay the transfer fees at a decent price. Aubameyang only spends most time on the bench, Chelsea must expect him to leave because he is not a main player. If Aubameyang leaves, Chelsea can reduce the burden of the player's salary a little. Anyway, Aubameyang's market value is about €4m, Chelsea only expect €6m for the transfer fees. I think Marseille has no problem with that price, it is rather cheap for a good striker like Aubameyang.

https://www.goal.com/en/news/chelsea-demanding-paltry-fee-pierre-emerick-aubameyang-marseille/blt8f340ba889e35a26

Let's hope he will have a better luck if he moves to Marseille. Ligue 1 can offer him a better career, it is not as competitive as EPL. Aubameyang possibly can shine again if he gets enough chance to play. Since Marseille has no strong striker, I believe Aubameyang will be the main CF and play regularly again.

1567  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: Peraturan Baru untuk Proses Withdraw di Tokocrypto on: July 17, 2023, 11:53:12 PM
Sampai saat ini saya tidak melihat adanya perbedaan pada proses withdraw ke akun bank ataupun withdraw untuk tujuan transfer antar wallet. Mungkin agan sudah melewati batas harian maksimum koin yang dikirim sehingga dimintai identitas penerima koinnya. Bisa jadi itu antisipasi untuk suspicious activity, misalnya terkait money laundery. Saya kira kalau bukan mengikuti aturan dari Bapebbti, pihak Tokocrypto tidak akan menerapkan hal itu karena pasti akan membuat member Tokocrypto tidak nyaman. Mereka pasti cukup paham jika orang-orang tidak ingin diketahui terkait hal-hal yang bersifat privasi, termasuk tujuan transaksi koin.

Eniwei, memang ada yang beda pada tampilan page balance kita di Tokocrypto. Saat ini ada tambahan IDR pada bagian Saldo IDR. Kalau dulu cuman BIDR, sekarang ada 2 (BIDR dan IDR).



1568  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: How would you measure your success in Crypto currency on: July 17, 2023, 11:39:55 PM
i think its just that simple, when you can grow your capital fast enough and good enough I'd already consider that as a massive success.
because honestly its all about having good income, that helps you grow your wealth.
Not everyone has the target for gaining income only, some may expect to have broad insight in crypto. If you only target to earn enough money from crypto, you are successful when you earn good amount of money. But for people who expect for the knowledge as well, the success may take a long time. We know that learning is endless, we always continue to learn something new everyday.

yes, all the time a lot of negative news hits crypto. but even though a lot of negative news has hit crypto, crypto is still growing and getting more popular all the time.
Bad news is unavoidable, it will be always there. But bad news sometimes give us advantage, it possibly lead to a big decrease in prices. We can buy crypto coins at cheaper prices when there is bad news. Sure, mostly the impact of bad news only bring impact temporarily. For the long run, it won't give significant impact, crypto market will always survive and continue to grow.

1569  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Saudi Professional League 2023/2024 on: July 16, 2023, 11:58:58 PM
Finally, mahrez said yes for al ahli's offer. He will become another player who will be going to the saudi pro league. That's pretty interesting to see treble winner hero for manchester city will leave from EPL and join in the saudi pro league.
A bit curious about what's his motive to leave from city and join in the al ahli but i think that salary would become the main reason for him to join.
It is still a personal agreement. Even if Mahrez agrees to move to Al-Ahli, Guardiola still considers to keep him on the squad. The reason is clear, Mahrez is the only pure right winger in Man City squad. Another player who can fill that position is Bernardo Silva but he is rumored to leave as well. If Bernardo Silva leaves Man City, I am sure Guardiola will keep Mahrez.

The motivation should be the bigger salary. I believe he will get more money in Al-Ahli. However, he will play in a lower league, SPL isn't as competitive as EPL. It is not the right place if he still wants to achieve prestigious trophies.

I have heard a rumor if there was a saudi clubs that's being blocked caused by the club tries to buy 5 chelsea's players at once.
That's so crazy to hear if it that news was true. PIF gonna be so crazy by spending so much money to buy various european players.
Yep. Even Al Nassr is already banned to sign new players. Saudi clubs spend too much money to sign new players from European leagues. But it is the only way to ensure the European players to come to SPL. If there is no huge money in Saudi, I believe the European players have no intention to play in Saudi Pro League.

1570  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin has already campaign for itself on: July 16, 2023, 11:39:54 PM
Let me say that Bitcoin has taken it stand and theirs no point of carrying out campaign of Bitcoin like before or imposing Bitcoin knowledge to children which we know that with time those children you are trying to teach bitcoin will know of Bitcoin through a social media.
Campaigning Bitcoin is something good, there will be no harm to continue to campaign for it. You must understand that not everyone knows well Bitcoin. Some people may know it a littel, some probably doubt it, and other even don't know Bitcoin at all. These types of people need something to trigger them joining Bitcoin, campaigning Bitcoin is one of the effective ways.

Sure, there is no need to force children to learn Bitcoin, especially learning something specific about Bitcoin (ex: investing BTC, trading BTC, etc). To know deeply about Bitcoin, someone needs to be mature enough. Children isn't a proper age to learn it specifically, but it is no problem to let children know it in general.

I think children is better to learn Bitcoin from their parents than to learn it from social media. Not every source in the social media can be trusted, I'm worried that children learn it from the wrong sources.

1571  Economy / Speculation / Re: When will you sell...next bull run? on: July 16, 2023, 11:26:45 PM
We will have to wait a long time to see bitcoin pump at the present time the price is very low and the expectation of profit will decrease a lot during this period.
Bitcoin already pumped many times. If you only wait for the pump, you don't need to wait for a long time.
Anyway, the current price isn't very low, it is already increasing a bit. You must still remember that the price of Bitcoin ever dropped below $20k in the last year, it was the time of its ATL. Since the price is already above $30k, I think it is untrue to claim the price of Bitcoin is very low now.

The market is currently volatile because they want to bring the market under control, which may cause two storms in the market, the downward trend in prices will continue for a few more days.
The volatile is crypto market nature, it is always happening.
What storms do you mean? Do you refer to pump and dump?  Huh
Of course, the volatility will cause 2 things, the increase or the decrease of crypto prices.

If you want to see the bull run, you have to wait for the direction the market goes, then you can get good profit.
What direction that we need to wait for? Everyone knows that the bullrun season probably happens in 2024-2025. It can be determined based on the bullrun season previously. Although there is no guarantee about this, but I believe that the Bitcoin halving will still remain the biggest factor to trigger the upcoming bullrun season.

1572  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: Perkembangan Perdagangan Bitcoin/Cryptocurrency sebagai aset komoditas on: July 15, 2023, 11:59:58 PM
Apakah bursa yang akan segera dirilis merupakan bursa resmi dari Bappebti atau bursa dari pihak swasta seperti hal Indodax atau Tokocrypto, karena setelah saya baca kedua sumber berita itu tapi masih minim informasi tentang bursa baru tersebut dan saya meragukan ada bursa baru yang di miliki/pengelolaan dari Bappebti.
Sepemahaman saya, semua exchange yang ada di listnya Bappebti merupakan pihak swasta (perusahaan swasta). Saya belum pernah mendengar bahwa Bappebti memiliki exchange sendiri. Dan saya kira Bappebti pun tidak mungkin memiliki exchange sendiri karena akan rancuh sebab mereka sendiri bertugas sebagai badan pengawas. Akan tetapi walaupun semua exchange itu adalah pihak swasta, mereka semua statusnya resmi karena telah memenuhi standar yang diwajibkan oleh Bappebti.

Perlu diingat kembali bahwa tugas Bappebti adalah sebagai pengawas, pengatur, dan pembina.
Silahkan cek di sini: http://web.bappebti.go.id/per_kep_menteri/detail/152

Sebelumnya pada bulan februari ada 3 exchange yang terdatar Bappebti pada yaitu Mobee, Cyra dan Bitwewe, meskipun exchange jarang dikenal tapi nyata sudah mendapatkan legalitas dari Bappebti.
Legalitas yang diberikan tidak berdasarkan popularitas. Jika exchange-exchange tersebut sudah memenuhi kriteria atau persyaratan yang diwajibkan Bappebti, maka mereka bisa mendapatkan legalitas untuk beroperasi. Masalah kita tidak familiar dengan exchange-exchange tersebut, mungkin saja mereka baru atau karena selama ini kita terlalu fokus ke exchange top seperti Tokocrypto dan Indodax.

1573  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Appropriate percentage of income for gambling on: July 15, 2023, 11:48:10 PM
There is no concrete number we should think it is the appropriate percentage to gamble with it, IMO. If you feel it is time to have fun on casino platforms, then go for it and never limit yourself to some percentage unless you can't afford it at all. Maybe you will be lucky and that slot you play will hit the max multiplier on the bonus round.
Even if no concrete number, we can assume the limit of our budget. As long as you use the money that you can afford to lose, it means you still limit the amount of money on gambling. It is just nonsense if you really don't limit the percentage of money to use. Moreover, if you think more money to use that can increase the chance of your luck. At the end, it will lead you to huge losses and you just realize it when you have spent all your money. You must understand that limiting the budget is the preventive way to avoid the severe losses.

1574  Economy / Economics / Re: What's is daily budgets or expenses as a bitcoiner? on: July 15, 2023, 11:40:25 PM
Usually full-time Bitcoiners don't just do one job like trading, because trading is a very common thing and can also be done by many other people whose profession is not Bitcoiner. Well, in this case if someone is a full-time Bitcoiner, of course he will do more work that can make him profitable (besides trading). For example, he can also learn how to mine, how to participate in campaigns and airdrops and how to enter competitions on several exchanges which are all part of the job he can explore as he has more time to do research.
You're right. Full-time Bitcoiners must work on some crypto jobs, not only trading. They can join signature campaigns/bounties and offer professional services (translation, content writing, social media management, or etc). There are many crypto jobs that Bitcoiners can do, but it depends on their skills. However, it means there are varied sources to earn money.

Meanwhile, Bitcoiners who work part-time only do not make the profession their main job, maybe they will rely more on using income from their main job rather than earning via Bitcoin. So they might be more likely to keep their income via Bitcoin for a long time because they can still live on income from their main job and this will certainly really help them to keep growing in any situation. That's why I think it would be much better if everyone has a different job in life even though the income level is also not the same.
Of course, the main job in real life should be the first source for the income. The money got from Bitcoin or other crypto job will be the additional income only. Bitcoiners can save the money or use some of the money for the urgent needs. Since it is not the main income, Bitcoiners never relies on Bitcoin for regular income.

Well, I agree that it is very recommended to have a job in real life. So whatever happens in Bitcoin, it won't bother our life.

1575  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Bitcoin trading and gambling on: July 15, 2023, 11:20:10 PM
Yes, the similarities are not too big because overall, trading and gambling are different,
in gambling we can only rely on luck but it is different with trading because we need to have knowledge and skills,
that's why trading is so complicated.
Indeed. Basically, trading and gambling are very different, especially on the technical aspects. When we trade, we need to learn charts, the fundamental factors, and must determine the strategy. While in gambling, sometimes we don't need to learn anything and we even don't need a specific strategy. If we gamble on the luck-based games, we just have to play and see the result. The only thing we need is the money to pay to the casino.

The similarity may be about the goal. Both trading and gambling have the same goal, it is earning money. But in a certain case, people sometime gambling for fun only, the prize isn't very important since it is difficult to get.  Grin

1576  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Appropriate percentage of income for gambling on: July 14, 2023, 11:46:19 PM
No fix allocation to anyone since even though you already set some amount to spend but there are times that you deposit a little bit more just to satisfy yourself because you didn't satisfied yet.
Even if no fixed amount of money to use weekly, but I think we need to set the maximum amount to spend. I think it is the purpose why OP made a vote about how much the percentage of money to use weekly.

If we want to satisfy ourselves, we may lose all our money. Everyone must understand if we will never be satisfied. When we got a loss, we probably spend more money to chase the win in order to make up for defeat. While when we wins, we may use more money in order to chase more prizes. Unfortunately, the chance to win is very small, using more money can't create more chance to win. Instead of earning more, people mostly lose more money. It will happen if you don't set a maximum amount to spend in gambling.

1577  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Newbies Stop Teaching When You Need To Learn. on: July 14, 2023, 11:29:02 PM
I agreed with the op, a newbie is always a newbie, even he or she is experts in bitcoin, as they are joining the forum for the very first time they are newbies in the forum so they have to lie low to observe things to learn about the forum and contribute meaningful contributions from the knowledge they have from outside and not to render services to people to follow. Bitcoin is very deep that nobody knows all, everyone knows there areas of expert and not all areas.
If it is about forum, I agree that newbies shouldn't teach others because they actually have just started to know forum. When they teach others, they may lose their focus or share something they don't really understand. Other people can misunderstand it, or people got unproven knowledge. This is something too early to do by newbies.

Contributing on the forum can be varied, it is not only about the knowledge about forum. Newbies can share their experience on the other field (out side of forum), everyone must have their own experience to share with others. If it is about the experience on trading or investment, I still can trust newbies. Newbie accounts don't always mean newbie trader or newbie investor.



*I assume sharing isn't intended to teach others.

1578  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Understanding Bitcoin's Potential Realistically on: July 14, 2023, 11:08:05 PM
While we all share a belief in Bitcoin's potential it's crucial to strike a balance between optimism and realism. Placing Bitcoin as a sole savior in solving all the world's problems might not be a practical approach. We should all remember that Bitcoin at its core is a currency meant to serve as a decentralized medium of exchange. We should not bother it with unrealistic expectations.
Indeed. Everyone must think realistically about the potential of Bitcoin. I never trust anyone who state that Bitcoin will be the main world currency, I think it is impossible. But when people state the price of Bitcoin can be above $100k, I can believe it since we can analyze the price history through the chart patterns. From the matters, I believe we can understand which one is overly optimistic and realistic expectation.

We must also recognize that not all countries will readily embrace Bitcoin regardless of its undisputed qualities. Governments tend to have different perspectives on Bitcoin and some may be hesitant to change their existing views and regulations. The acceptance of Bitcoin on a global scale will likely be a gradual process spanning several decades to reach its full potential.
Of course, the government has their own perspective. But if we consider the development of Bitcoin adoption on the countries around the world, we can see a positive progress on it. Although Bitcoin can be fully accepted, most governments allow their citizen to use Bitcoin as a digital asset now. While for accepting Bitcoin as a legal currency, it seems a bit difficult because it will bring too much impact on the country. However, I assume we are getting closer for the massive Bitcoin adoption around the world.

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