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So revised plan . . .
I have ~13 ft width and 20 ft length asphalt patch
Drop 12x12 or so shed on said patch
Run fans <---exhaust [SHED] <--- intake / electric run, secure facility and done? 12x12 should give me ample room to run enough rigs to max out my power -- agreed? Thoughts / input?
Can anyone give me links to exact fans that would work for this setup, 3000 CFM?
Thank you for everyone helping here
Check out @yun9999's shed build here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1806061.0I don't see any reason to not copy it exactly. I would try to speak with him about it though, I'm sure he has already found ways to improve it. Those PDU's you posted would work fine. Just be aware of the number of outlets, and amp limit of the PDUs. Agreed xD it's more applicable than ever since I'm moving to a shed setup since my garage is such a nightmare to work with |
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Which one exactly? ^
Guys what fans should I be using? Simply slap a large (but how large?) intake fan on the right side then blow through and a large (is 3000 CFM the right size?) exhaust fan on the left. Is it this simple?
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So revised plan . . .
I have ~13 ft width and 20 ft length asphalt patch
Drop 12x12 or so shed on said patch
Run fans <---exhaust [SHED] <--- intake / electric run, secure facility and done? 12x12 should give me ample room to run enough rigs to max out my power -- agreed? Thoughts / input?
Can anyone give me links to exact fans that would work for this setup, 3000 CFM?
Thank you for everyone helping here
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My limiting factor will likely be cooling long before anything else. The 6 month goal is to be at 10 rigs.
Do you have an option for a shed? I've scrapped my plan here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1907942.new#newbecause it's just not feasible for the way my garage/house is setup and will have to go the shed route |
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I honestly havent done anythign with surge surpession yet. I will likely install something on the main panel for whole house surge suppression. MY main breaker panel is directly below where the miners sit in the basement. I have been running 2 outlets up there on a 20amp breaker to do 2 miners per breaker.
At that rate how many max miners do you think you'll be able to achieve? |
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with 100 amps of electric what size should would I need for an ideal mining setup?
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I believe the cylinder fan with a duct is probably the way to go for me. How do you guys determine the required size of a fan though?
What's your plan for outlets / surge protection? As far as fan I'm trying to figure that out myself lol normally it's based on sq ft but our situation is a bit different |
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Your panel appears to have plenty of room in it. Those blank gray spaces without switches can handle additional circuits, so you would not need to add another entire panel. The electricians will tell you exactly what they can put in, but I see room for at least 100amps if not more. I think you could fit 4 240v 50A circuits if you move one smaller circuit to the opposite side of the box. Then they can install however many outlets you need. You could do something like 4 50A ciruits, each with its own outlet, and plug a 50A PDU into each outlet. Or twice the outlets/PDUs with PDUs rated at 30A. But again, talk it out with the electricians, I am not qualified for such work so don't follow my advice without asking a real professional! I also use EVGA PSUs which you can just plug into a 240v PDU. Some PSUs have 120/240v switches on the back (maybe only older models?). But your PSU should say on it somewhere something like "100v - 240v 50hz - 60hz". If it simply says "100v - 120v" you are out of luck. With that many rigs I would highly recommend getting some server PSUs to supply the bulk of the power anyways. Finksy sells entire packages that will make your life way easier. If he is out, pm me for additional sources. Phil's diagram for airflow would definitely be more efficient than what I suggested. Here is a diagram of my suggestion: http://imgur.com/a/AQW9xAgain, its not ideal in terms of airflow, but it may be more feasible than putting a hole in the back of the garage, and sucking air from the house. Not to mention it will be LOUD with the door to the inside of the house open. Also note that you have to have enough louvers to match the exaust fan, too few and it will be extra loud and wear on the fan motor. I do not know how much electricity your nvidia rigs need, but assuming you have everything running off 240v circuits and the full 200amps, then you can pull up to 240*200*0.8 = 38,400watts... so divide that by the peak power consumption of one of your rigs measured with a proper wall meter. While that could easily be 30+ rigs, you may run out of space/cooling capacity before electric. Should I be running 240v over 220v? Can someone elaborate please What outlet setup do I need this part I do not understand, I'll be throwing the rigs on racks, how can I run power to all of them and maximize my circuits Can someone suggest how to accommodate all of these plugs effectively? This is more minor but running the Ethernet cables - best clean option? |
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Quote one
10 gfci outlets 220v
100 amp sub panel
All wiring etc
Unsure on cfm exhaust fan and ductwork running out of back of garage his idea coincided with Phillips idea
Coax line
$3000
Quote two
Whole house surge protector with 75k warranty ($400)
30 220v outlets
Coax line
Same exhaust fan idea
Intake fan?
Quote still being figured
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Instead of clogging your thread I made my own and some other great members already added a lot of good info in it may be worth a look to you https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1907942I'm dealing with pretty much the same problems and by the end of next week will have similar amount of rigs going in there Ultimately it seems that one way or another we need to have an intake fan and exhaust fan as thats the only efficient way to do it. . This was some of their recent input, you could potentially apply this concept to your setup I just did a quick read through the posts and could have missed something. I would use exhaust fans as recommended but I would separate the mining room from the house. Do not draw the air from inside the house, pull the air from outside. Arrange the rigs so that the air pulls directly across the rigs. You want a exhaust fan big enough to exchange the air in the room several times per minute. Even if the temps are 100f outside, when you are pulling that air across your 65c to 70c card temps they will stay cool. 70c is 158f so the outside air will cool if you have proper air flow. 3000cfm is a good starting point. I am moving my rigs out to a 12x26 storage unit that I had set in the back yard. I am going to go with 7,500 to 10,000 cfm because i want the air to be exchanged many times to keep the heat minimized. There is no reason to put in a 200 amp panel right now unless you have the money and know you will add several more rigs in the future. Its gonna cost so be prepared. I have 9 rigs on my main 200 amp panel. I dedicated 4 double pole 240v breakers just for mining. You dont want the breaker to be loaded more than 80 percent. If you run your rigs on 240v you can double the amperage of a 120v circuit and run more efficiently. At 240v you could run approx 20+ rigs on a 200 amp panel. The wire racks work perfectly. It gives very good air flow for the cards. Unless you are rolling in the money there is no reason to buy those expensive sever racks. 75 bucks will allow you to set up 6 to 8 rigs on a nice wire rack. Thats my 2 cents. I was actually thinking of this. Haven't decided on fan size yet. http://www.homedepot.com/p/iLIVING-5000-CFM-Power-30-in-Single-Speed-Shutter-Exhaust-Fan-ILG8SF30S/207174738this is my idea for him he needs to cut 1 vent in back corner of his garage. he needs a strong exhaust fan so air is pulled from cooler home. this setup keeps gear away from car and lets a car be parked. only one cut in garage for vent. and cooler air flows into garage from basement if ac bill goes too high he can close basement door and open garage door 2 inches use this from garage door to vent inside door shut http://www.perforated-pipe.com/perforatedpipe/perforated-square-tube.html from inside to vent  |
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as i said AT THE MOMENT OF WRITING , stongest card providing HIGHER HASH RATE (no matter the power consumption) is RADEON PRO DUO ... 900 to 1100 hashes /s depending on the oc you apply ... of course the higher the hash rates the more inefficient it is... at 900 hashes is a bit less efficient than nvidia cards (4.5 w for each hash)
Per that number the TI only uses 156 w per hash? The 1080 Ti can be set to do ~600 sols at ~150-155 watts. About 3.9 hash per watt ratio. You can get it up around 700 sols or higher but it will use the full 250 watts and beyond, making it very inefficient if you run it that way. so running 6x 1080ti should be possible with a 1200W psu? Just let you know it may be not that easy to get 6 cards working smoothly, there could be small issues here an there. I right now have 2X 1080TI FE + 1X 1070 on board, I could only start the miner first then EVGA OC software. If I do it the other way, miner will be freezing. In my case, I got 1080 ti up to 740 hashes before I cut its TDP limit to 80%, so definitely for a short while it eats up to 250W. Another stupid thing I could not explain is Nicehash is quite unstable with one of my rigs (I have two sets of 2X1080Ti+1X1070 on the same motherboards). Better to find some one here with success then you exactly copy what they did (especially get the identical motherboard/OS) that's a really good point . . these problems remind me of car problems . . massive headache! currently thinking of simply trying to add another SAPPHIRE Vapor-X Radeon R9 280X DirectX 12 100363VX-3L 3GB onto the rig that already has 5 of them and call it a day if I can get that running smoothly |
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I just did a quick read through the posts and could have missed something. I would use exhaust fans as recommended but I would separate the mining room from the house. Do not draw the air from inside the house, pull the air from outside. Arrange the rigs so that the air pulls directly across the rigs. You want a exhaust fan big enough to exchange the air in the room several times per minute. Even if the temps are 100f outside, when you are pulling that air across your 65c to 70c card temps they will stay cool. 70c is 158f so the outside air will cool if you have proper air flow. 3000cfm is a good starting point. I am moving my rigs out to a 12x26 storage unit that I had set in the back yard. I am going to go with 7,500 to 10,000 cfm because i want the air to be exchanged many times to keep the heat minimized. There is no reason to put in a 200 amp panel right now unless you have the money and know you will add several more rigs in the future. Its gonna cost so be prepared. I have 9 rigs on my main 200 amp panel. I dedicated 4 double pole 240v breakers just for mining. You dont want the breaker to be loaded more than 80 percent. If you run your rigs on 240v you can double the amperage of a 120v circuit and run more efficiently. At 240v you could run approx 20+ rigs on a 200 amp panel. The wire racks work perfectly. It gives very good air flow for the cards. Unless you are rolling in the money there is no reason to buy those expensive sever racks. 75 bucks will allow you to set up 6 to 8 rigs on a nice wire rack. Thats my 2 cents. I was actually thinking of this. Haven't decided on fan size yet. http://www.homedepot.com/p/iLIVING-5000-CFM-Power-30-in-Single-Speed-Shutter-Exhaust-Fan-ILG8SF30S/207174738How would I effectively move the air? I could understand cutting a portion out to install an intake fan and blowing the air across the rigs if they were stationed next to the basement door review pics below http://imgur.com/a/kUQqII'm worried even that space left there next to the door may not be big enough? I could figure out a way to replace the door with a large fan . . I have two entry doors and could simply enter exit through the true large garage door or the other entrance door. This might actually be one of the better routes as there is already that large hole there simply filled with a door? What are everyones thoughts? My goal is to make an efficient and cost effective setup to handle as many rigs as I can. Once I have acquired funds/ setup max rigs (currently only have ~5 rigs worth / most are parts en route etc) I'll have 2 GPU rigs running by the end of the week and the goal is 10 GPU rigs by the end of july / 5 by the end of the month) Also for example one of my mining rigs is the mining cave cheetah https://miningcave.com/product/mc-cheetah-sk1/ it's running on standard 120v socket currently, with these atx psu (this uses rosewill 1200w (photon/gold)) I simply plug into 220v correct? How do I ensure units are setup to handle increased power as to never damage a unit Certainly not rolling in money and I'm thinking the metal wire shelves will be perfect for my setup goals and above all .. budget! I won't comment on the air flow thing because I haven't looked at that too much. I wouldn't buy rigs from anyone since they charge such a premium and they aren't very hard to setup. I use EVGA PSU so I don't know about Rosewill but EVGA will take any voltage from 100V-240V. This would mean that you would be just fine as long as your PSU is similar to the ones I use. It will usually have the allowable voltage on the outside of the PSU or in the literature that comes with it. I also doubt that you can get 25 rigs in your garage based on the availability on your panel if you use the standard 120V. 1000 watts @ 220v = ~5 amps so assuming I can fine tune rigs down a bit, and a few smaller rigs not drawing quite as much power, along with fans, I could shoot for 20 rigs? Also sidenote for everyone participating in this thread I think I'm going to make a little plaque and hang it in the mining center to dedicate individually to each member who's helped in this thread xD I have several electricians coming over the next week, the first being tomorrow morning actually so I can have his opinion as well as far as what he would charge to do this work. I've done a lot of work including building a freaking large tiny home lol but I did everything except for the electric & plumbing there |
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I would definitely have a dedicated panel installed just for your mining. You will more than likely want to expand and you want to have the circuits and the amperage to do it.
If my main panel is 200 amp is there any chance my system could potentially have the capacity for a 300 amp panel and they simply put a 200 amp in or do they always put the max amp box per your electric setup pictures of said panel here house built 2010 http://imgur.com/a/kUQqI |
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I just did a quick read through the posts and could have missed something. I would use exhaust fans as recommended but I would separate the mining room from the house. Do not draw the air from inside the house, pull the air from outside. Arrange the rigs so that the air pulls directly across the rigs. You want a exhaust fan big enough to exchange the air in the room several times per minute. Even if the temps are 100f outside, when you are pulling that air across your 65c to 70c card temps they will stay cool. 70c is 158f so the outside air will cool if you have proper air flow. 3000cfm is a good starting point. I am moving my rigs out to a 12x26 storage unit that I had set in the back yard. I am going to go with 7,500 to 10,000 cfm because i want the air to be exchanged many times to keep the heat minimized. There is no reason to put in a 200 amp panel right now unless you have the money and know you will add several more rigs in the future. Its gonna cost so be prepared. I have 9 rigs on my main 200 amp panel. I dedicated 4 double pole 240v breakers just for mining. You dont want the breaker to be loaded more than 80 percent. If you run your rigs on 240v you can double the amperage of a 120v circuit and run more efficiently. At 240v you could run approx 20+ rigs on a 200 amp panel. The wire racks work perfectly. It gives very good air flow for the cards. Unless you are rolling in the money there is no reason to buy those expensive sever racks. 75 bucks will allow you to set up 6 to 8 rigs on a nice wire rack. Thats my 2 cents. I was actually thinking of this. Haven't decided on fan size yet. http://www.homedepot.com/p/iLIVING-5000-CFM-Power-30-in-Single-Speed-Shutter-Exhaust-Fan-ILG8SF30S/207174738How would I effectively move the air? I could understand cutting a portion out to install an intake fan and blowing the air across the rigs if they were stationed next to the basement door review pics below http://imgur.com/a/kUQqII'm worried even that space left there next to the door may not be big enough? I could figure out a way to replace the door with a large fan . . I have two entry doors and could simply enter exit through the true large garage door or the other entrance door. This might actually be one of the better routes as there is already that large hole there simply filled with a door? What are everyones thoughts? My goal is to make an efficient and cost effective setup to handle as many rigs as I can. Once I have acquired funds/ setup max rigs (currently only have ~5 rigs worth / most are parts en route etc) I'll have 2 GPU rigs running by the end of the week and the goal is 10 GPU rigs by the end of july / 5 by the end of the month) Also for example one of my mining rigs is the mining cave cheetah https://miningcave.com/product/mc-cheetah-sk1/ it's running on standard 120v socket currently, with these atx psu (this uses rosewill 1200w (photon/gold)) I simply plug into 220v correct? How do I ensure units are setup to handle increased power as to never damage a unit Certainly not rolling in money and I'm thinking the metal wire shelves will be perfect for my setup goals and above all .. budget! |
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I just did a quick read through the posts and could have missed something. I would use exhaust fans as recommended but I would separate the mining room from the house. Do not draw the air from inside the house, pull the air from outside. Arrange the rigs so that the air pulls directly across the rigs. You want a exhaust fan big enough to exchange the air in the room several times per minute. Even if the temps are 100f outside, when you are pulling that air across your 65c to 70c card temps they will stay cool. 70c is 158f so the outside air will cool if you have proper air flow. 3000cfm is a good starting point. I am moving my rigs out to a 12x26 storage unit that I had set in the back yard. I am going to go with 7,500 to 10,000 cfm because i want the air to be exchanged many times to keep the heat minimized. There is no reason to put in a 200 amp panel right now unless you have the money and know you will add several more rigs in the future. Its gonna cost so be prepared. I have 9 rigs on my main 200 amp panel. I dedicated 4 double pole 240v breakers just for mining. You dont want the breaker to be loaded more than 80 percent. If you run your rigs on 240v you can double the amperage of a 120v circuit and run more efficiently. At 240v you could run approx 20+ rigs on a 200 amp panel. The wire racks work perfectly. It gives very good air flow for the cards. Unless you are rolling in the money there is no reason to buy those expensive sever racks. 75 bucks will allow you to set up 6 to 8 rigs on a nice wire rack. Thats my 2 cents. I was actually thinking of this. Haven't decided on fan size yet. http://www.homedepot.com/p/iLIVING-5000-CFM-Power-30-in-Single-Speed-Shutter-Exhaust-Fan-ILG8SF30S/207174738this is my idea for him he needs to cut 1 vent in back corner of his garage. he needs a strong exhaust fan so air is pulled from cooler home. this setup keeps gear away from car and lets a car be parked. only one cut in garage for vent. and cooler air flows into garage from basement if ac bill goes too high he can close basement door and open garage door 2 inches use this from garage door to vent inside door shut http://www.perforated-pipe.com/perforatedpipe/perforated-square-tube.htmlfrom inside to vent I'm really willing to go to any extent to make this happen, but budget is certainly a concern! http://imgur.com/a/kUQqI please review the updated pics for a little bit of a better idea, I will also upload a picture of what is in the area behind the extended portion of the garage, it is essentially a small maybe 6x6 utility room with my water heater / ducts I appreciate your concern for the car xD as I am a car guy and will have to park my racecar in there  however my focus is on the mining rigs as the car seems to spend a lot more money than it makes lol I am willing to put the mining gear anywhere along the basement door side / the "cubby" area / basically anywhere but the footprint of a vehicle in front of the garage door + the wall on that side is pure concrete Does that number seem accurate? ~25 rigs max based on my power capabilities? so we should be building cooling based on that? Also what is "too hot" for a miner to run are cards running at 80c+ "too hot" what exactly is an ideal temp, okay temp, bad temp, and critical temp? |
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OP, if you take a picture of the inside of your panel, I can check how much room it has to add circuits. If it is full, you may need to add a second box, but it really is not that expensive.
http://imgur.com/a/kUQqI Please review the album as I have uploaded 4 more pictures that show the layout a bit better and also show the panel Apologize for all of the junk everywhere, still moving myself in and have some of my familys stuff stored here as well for the next week What could I potentially cut down to maximize my potential energy, looks like I could squeeze ~25 rigs onto 100 amps? Granted I don't have 25 rigs yet but that is most certainly the goal! |
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start with 200 amp or you will regret it in the long run
I can only run half at most I'd imagine with my house box being 200? |
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