[ANN] Bitcoin Foundation

[Technomage]

Are you serious? No core developers commented on that thread. Only developers of other clients did. And they are not against the foundation and basically think you're spreading paranoid FUD.  

Bitcoin Foundation is here and no one can stop it from being here (and that is good). You either support it as a member and try to shape it into an organization that is good for Bitcoin, or you don't support it and spread FUD. Apparently.

I personally think there is also the third option which is to stay neutral until the Foundation _actually does something_. And it will do something. Nothing anyone says here will stop the Foundation, trust me on that. Only if they do something stupid through their actions, will it get serious opposition.

Personally I'm supporting the Foundation 100%, giving them the benefit of the doubt so to speak. Until I'm not. Their actions will speak the language I want to hear, eventually. Talk is just talk, although I've been very impressed with their talk and less impressed with the paranoid FUD.

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[Atlas]

This FUD still has served its purpose. They will now think twice in regards to what they do.

[Technomage]

This FUD still has served its purpose. They will now think twice in regards to what they do.

I have to say that I agree with this. Opposing views are good in the sense that it will definitely keep them on their toes.

[marcus_of_augustus]

It seems the "TBF" (the big fail) supporters first order of business has been to denigrate anybody who is questioning them as "tinfoil hatters", "whingers" and etc. 

Basically, suppressing dissent by ad hominen, smear and belittling, from what I can tell. If you are not with them you are against them ... or if you really want to change things you have to join them to be against them ... gotta love that logic.

Bitcoin, the trust no-one money.

[ShadowOfHarbringer]

To promote transparency and enforce fair voting procedures, we require a real name and address for Individual members. We will eventually include address and name verification procedures. Please note that member dues paid to records that do not include a real name and mailable address will not be refunded. Thank you!

Why address?

Prevention of double voting can be accomplished using name ID only. There is no need for the foundation to have my home address.

Passports and many national ID cards do not have address on them, so you would need to obtain utility bills for proof of address creating an unnecessary paperwork burden.

I would be happy to verify my name using passport but I will not be supplying my home address. I hope the Foundation could reconsider removing the address requirement from individual membership.

It would be very unwise to hand over your home address.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_6102

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/sep/6/atfs-latest-gun-grab/

This is dangerous and foolhardy.

Yeah, it's like giving FED/CIA/FBI/MAFIAA all data necessary to imprison all dissidents on a plate (in case they would declare Bitcoin illegal). I do not like this.

This actually works like a honeypot. I wouldn't be surprised if, in case of data leakage (which is quite probable), FBI automatically wiretapped all people on the list...

Shouldn't there be an option of confirming one's Identity in-person ? For example by meeting one of "core members" in a public place ?

This is totally a serious issue, jokes & trolling aside.

 
Sometimes, reading this forum makes me believe the stupidity that there are actually two sides to choose from, and that I should be working for the CIA, FBI, and the BTF.
  
This forum is a honeypot, and should remain a honeypot, for paranoid narcissists, instant experts, know-it-all pundits, wannabe criminals, and delusional losers.
 

You dont think the US would classify people using bitcoin as terrorists ? You havent been paying attention  

http://www.activistpost.com/2011/12/10-ridiculous-things-that-make-you.html

Of course they would.
Nowadays, everybody who doesn't think like sheep & behave like sheep is a terrorist.

Regardless of what is The Bitcoin Foundation normal function, it will act **LIKE** a honeypot, in case they declare that Bitcoin users are terrorists and start arresting.

Also, all the servers are in US, so it would be TRIVIAL for any law enforcement to get to the foolish ones who willingly offered their IPs & home addresses.

OrgName:        SoftLayer Technologies Inc.
OrgId:          SOFTL
Address:        4849 Alpha Rd.
City:           Dallas
StateProv:      TX
PostalCode:     75244
Country:        US
RegDate:        2005-10-26
Updated:        2012-01-27
Ref:            http://whois.arin.net/rest/org/SOFTL

OrgName:        CloudFlare, Inc.
OrgId:          CLOUD14
Address:        665 Third Street #207
City:           San Francisco
StateProv:      CA
PostalCode:     94107
Country:        US
RegDate:        2010-07-09
Updated:        2011-11-03
Comment:        http://www.cloudflare.com/
Ref:            http://whois.arin.net/rest/org/CLOUD14

[Raoul Duke]

To promote transparency and enforce fair voting procedures, we require a real name and address for Individual members. We will eventually include address and name verification procedures. Please note that member dues paid to records that do not include a real name and mailable address will not be refunded. Thank you!

Why address?

Prevention of double voting can be accomplished using name ID only. There is no need for the foundation to have my home address.

Passports and many national ID cards do not have address on them, so you would need to obtain utility bills for proof of address creating an unnecessary paperwork burden.

I would be happy to verify my name using passport but I will not be supplying my home address. I hope the Foundation could reconsider removing the address requirement from individual membership.

It would be very unwise to hand over your home address.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_6102

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/sep/6/atfs-latest-gun-grab/

This is dangerous and foolhardy.

Yeah, it's like giving FED/CIA/FBI/MAFIAA all data necessary to imprison all dissidents on a plate (in case they would declare Bitcoin illegal). I do not like this.

This actually works like a honeypot. I wouldn't be surprised if, in case of data leakage (which is quite probable), FBI automatically wiretapped all people on the list...

Shouldn't there be an option of confirming one's Identity in-person ? For example by meeting one of "core members" in a public place ?

This is totally a serious issue, jokes & trolling aside.

 
Sometimes, reading this forum makes me believe the stupidity that there are actually two sides to choose from, and that I should be working for the CIA, FBI, and the BTF.
  
This forum is a honeypot, and should remain a honeypot, for paranoid narcissists, instant experts, know-it-all pundits, wannabe criminals, and delusional losers.
 

You dont think the US would classify people using bitcoin as terrorists ? You havent been paying attention  

http://www.activistpost.com/2011/12/10-ridiculous-things-that-make-you.html

Of course they would.
Nowadays, everybody who doesn't think like sheep & behave like sheep is a terrorist.

Regardless of what is The Bitcoin Foundation normal function, it will act **LIKE** a honeypot, in case they declare that Bitcoin users are terrorists and start arresting.

Also, all the servers are in US, so it would be TRIVIAL for any law enforcement to get to the foolish ones who willingly offered their IPs & home addresses.

OrgName:        SoftLayer Technologies Inc.
OrgId:          SOFTL
Address:        4849 Alpha Rd.
City:           Dallas
StateProv:      TX
PostalCode:     75244
Country:        US
RegDate:        2005-10-26
Updated:        2012-01-27
Ref:            http://whois.arin.net/rest/org/SOFTL

OrgName:        CloudFlare, Inc.
OrgId:          CLOUD14
Address:        665 Third Street #207
City:           San Francisco
StateProv:      CA
PostalCode:     94107
Country:        US
RegDate:        2010-07-09
Updated:        2011-11-03
Comment:        http://www.cloudflare.com/
Ref:            http://whois.arin.net/rest/org/CLOUD14

Oh, MEGA LOL. Cloudflare is an honeypot on it's own.
http://exiledonline.com/isucker-big-brother-internet-culture/
http://techcrunch.com/2011/06/27/cloudflare-ceo-our-marketing-strategy-is-sign-up-all-of-the-worlds-international-criminals-tctv/

[ShadowOfHarbringer]

To promote transparency and enforce fair voting procedures, we require a real name and address for Individual members. We will eventually include address and name verification procedures. Please note that member dues paid to records that do not include a real name and mailable address will not be refunded. Thank you!

Why address?

Prevention of double voting can be accomplished using name ID only. There is no need for the foundation to have my home address.

Passports and many national ID cards do not have address on them, so you would need to obtain utility bills for proof of address creating an unnecessary paperwork burden.

I would be happy to verify my name using passport but I will not be supplying my home address. I hope the Foundation could reconsider removing the address requirement from individual membership.

It would be very unwise to hand over your home address.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_6102

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/sep/6/atfs-latest-gun-grab/

This is dangerous and foolhardy.

Yeah, it's like giving FED/CIA/FBI/MAFIAA all data necessary to imprison all dissidents on a plate (in case they would declare Bitcoin illegal). I do not like this.

This actually works like a honeypot. I wouldn't be surprised if, in case of data leakage (which is quite probable), FBI automatically wiretapped all people on the list...

Shouldn't there be an option of confirming one's Identity in-person ? For example by meeting one of "core members" in a public place ?

This is totally a serious issue, jokes & trolling aside.

 
Sometimes, reading this forum makes me believe the stupidity that there are actually two sides to choose from, and that I should be working for the CIA, FBI, and the BTF.
  
This forum is a honeypot, and should remain a honeypot, for paranoid narcissists, instant experts, know-it-all pundits, wannabe criminals, and delusional losers.
 

You dont think the US would classify people using bitcoin as terrorists ? You havent been paying attention  

http://www.activistpost.com/2011/12/10-ridiculous-things-that-make-you.html

Of course they would.
Nowadays, everybody who doesn't think like sheep & behave like sheep is a terrorist.

Regardless of what is The Bitcoin Foundation normal function, it will act **LIKE** a honeypot, in case they declare that Bitcoin users are terrorists and start arresting.

Also, all the servers are in US, so it would be TRIVIAL for any law enforcement to get to the foolish ones who willingly offered their IPs & home addresses.

OrgName:        SoftLayer Technologies Inc.
OrgId:          SOFTL
Address:        4849 Alpha Rd.
City:           Dallas
StateProv:      TX
PostalCode:     75244
Country:        US
RegDate:        2005-10-26
Updated:        2012-01-27
Ref:            http://whois.arin.net/rest/org/SOFTL

OrgName:        CloudFlare, Inc.
OrgId:          CLOUD14
Address:        665 Third Street #207
City:           San Francisco
StateProv:      CA
PostalCode:     94107
Country:        US
RegDate:        2010-07-09
Updated:        2011-11-03
Comment:        http://www.cloudflare.com/
Ref:            http://whois.arin.net/rest/org/CLOUD14

Oh, MEGA LOL. Cloudflare is an honeypot on it's own.
http://exiledonline.com/isucker-big-brother-internet-culture/
http://techcrunch.com/2011/06/27/cloudflare-ceo-our-marketing-strategy-is-sign-up-all-of-the-worlds-international-criminals-tctv/

OMFG o_O !



It seems i was one order of magnitude more right, than i thought.

[Bitcoin Oz]

And that makes CloudFlare a whole different story: People who sign up for the service are allowing CloudFlare to monitor, observe and scrutinize all of their site’s traffic, which makes it much easier for intel or law enforcement agencies to collect info on websites and without having to hack or request the logs from each hosting company separately.

 

[Polvos]

  Here we have it.

Welcome to the new scrutinized Foundation users.

On top of that, CloudFlare’s CEO Matthew Prince made a weird, glib admission that he decided to start the company only after the Department of Homeland Security gave him a call in 2007 and suggested he take the technology behind Project Honey Pot one step further…

And that makes CloudFlare a whole different story: People who sign up for the service are allowing CloudFlare to monitor, observe and scrutinize all of their site’s traffic, which makes it much easier for intel or law enforcement agencies to collect info on websites and without having to hack or request the logs from each hosting company separately.

[BadBear]

Here we have it.

Welcome to the new scrutinized Foundation users.

On top of that, CloudFlare’s CEO Matthew Prince made a weird, glib admission that he decided to start the company only after the Department of Homeland Security gave him a call in 2007 and suggested he take the technology behind Project Honey Pot one step further…

And that makes CloudFlare a whole different story: People who sign up for the service are allowing CloudFlare to monitor, observe and scrutinize all of their site’s traffic, which makes it much easier for intel or law enforcement agencies to collect info on websites and without having to hack or request the logs from each hosting company separately.

Wow. Wonder who decided on the choice of hosting.

[ShadowOfHarbringer]

So, summing it up, the foundation has following issues:

1. The name "The Bitcoin Foundation" wrongly suggest that it is the central authority that controls Bitcoin.
2. The hosting company of the BitcoinFoundation.org is (with high probability) a Government-run honeypot.
3. There is no safe way for people to have a vote in the Foundation without giving up their identities (which could prove fatal in case of Bitcoin users are declared terrorists, or government tries to confiscate Bitcoins from them).

Did i miss something ?

@Gavin, @Core Team
Are any of these issues going to be solved ?

[Polvos]

Add that the CEO of MtGox (with all the problems with anonymity, taint listing, AML shit, KYC shit and arbitrary account freezing in this exchanger) is a founder.

[marcus_of_augustus]

Has TBF described how members identities will be kept safe (i.e. privacy policy) ? Supposedly they will get correlated with dues payments ... or?

Although, it would be a good test of bitcoin (the software not the foundation) if such a big, fat juicy target was subject to take down with mass arrests of members, throw Gavin, Charlie, Garzik, Vessness, etc in jail like Dotcom ... whole nine yards. Kind of like the final "black-start test" an oil rig or refinery has to do before going operational, pull the big plug and see what doesn't work when the switch comes back on.

[hazek]

So, summing it up, the foundation has following issues:

1. The name "The Bitcoin Foundation" wrongly suggest that it is the central authority that controls Bitcoin.
2. The hosting company of the BitcoinFoundation.org is (with high probability) a Government-run honeypot.
3. There is no safe way for people to have a vote in the Foundation without giving up their identities (which could prove fatal in case of Bitcoin users are declared terrorists, or government tries to confiscate Bitcoins from them).

Did i miss something ?

@Gavin, @Core Team
Are any of these issues going to be solved ?

And a lead dev who owns the git access and is a founding member and a member of the board of directors for the next two years is a conflict of interest.

And the organization is not for profit which means it can't go bankrupt should it provide a crappy service as long as big businesses are prepared to open their purse they can operate indefinitely. (a scary thought)

[Bitcoin Oz]

 thebitcoinfoundation.org isnt actually registered yet 

[hazek]

thebitcoinfoundation.org isnt actually registered yet 

It's bitcoinfoundation.org.

WHOIS information for bitcoinfoundation.org:***

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[Technomage]

Where does it say it is The Bitcoin Foundation? Where is that coming from? In most (well, all afaik) places it's simply "Bitcoin Foundation".

I'm curious about this because there is some conflicting information on this. Some people refer to it as The Foundation, but in most places it is actually written as simply Bitcoin Foundation.

[boonies4u]

Add that the CEO of MtGox (with all the problems with anonymity, taint listing, AML shit, KYC shit and arbitrary account freezing in this exchanger) is a founder.

The exchange handles Fiat. As much as I would like MtGox to not care about AML or KYC, I'm not going to give the CEO shit for it.

[The_Duke]

Where does it say it is The Bitcoin Foundation? Where is that coming from? In most (well, all afaik) places it's simply "Bitcoin Foundation".

I'm curious about this because there is some conflicting information on this. Some people refer to it as The Foundation, but in most places it is actually written as simply Bitcoin Foundation.

A foundation is a thing, hence "the" foundation. Bitcoin just states that this particular foundation (the foundation) is about bitcoin. So that kinda naturally becomes the bitcoin foundation.

[D.H.]

Since it is the nature of threads like these that critics will be louder than supporters I just wanna chime in to say that I support this organization and believe that it'll be a good thing for Bitcoin. Thanks for the work you put into this guys.

A lot of people seem to be hung up on the word "THE". From what I can see it is only referred to as "The Bitcoin Foundation" in Gavin's post, on the site it is just "Bitcoin Foundation". Perhaps one of the founders can confirm that they will use the name "Bitcoin Foundation" without the "The"?