Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A)

[3meek]

I think Juventus vs Roma is a really difficult match to predict... In my betting history both of these clubs have been blacklisted for a long time, because they have often had unpredictable results... Juventus probably have more opportunities to win, but I think something like Napoli vs Monza could happen...

Lolz... You blacklisted them in your betting history since. That's some funny talks there. I was really tickled by what you said now. But interestingly, both team have a way of fixturing with each other once in a while to kick each other's ass out.

To show how tough and hard it is to predict this kind of match, I went back to check the last 5 matches both team have played each other and it is not easy to predict who wins in this match for real. In the last 5 matches, Roma won only 1 match with a single goal but have also drawn once with the Juventus club.

Whereas, Juventus have equally done pretty well and much better than AS Roma in their last 5 fixturing ensuring that they won in three of those matches and draw in one whereby allowing Roma to win their last match with 1-0.

Now, if we are to analyze the possibilities of Roma winning in this match, I can easily ascribe that to the last where they were able to successfully hold Juventus in the defense but used their forward well. They can do it by using the right strategy which the coach shoould have put in Shape and play by now.

Juventus did not lose any of the last 12 matches in the league. I think they will take advantage of playing this match on their home field. Juventus will have the superiority in terms of play in the match if they do not concede a goal at the beginning of the match. I watch the matches of both teams and I can say that the football Juventus has played recently is a little better than Roma.

Juventus biggest advantage is its good defense. If they use this well, Roma may have trouble scoring goals. Still, both teams can win the match because both teams have quality players who can change the score.

After Juventus were losing points last season, they look much better this season and now they have a chance to get to the top of the standings... This of course motivates them a lot... But on the other hand, I am confused by the fact that bookmakers give such high odds on their win... So I don't rule out that there could be a draw...

[ajanwalker]

The match of the week will be played in Turin this evening. Although Juventus is the favorite of the match, Rome is also a strong team, but their away record this season is not very encouraging. While Juventus drew one of the last 5 home matches, Roma had 2 wins, 2 losses and 1 draw in the last 5 away matches. I think Juventus will probably win the match, but I think it will be a low-goal match. If Roma can score, the match could end 2-1.

[yudi09]

Napoli almost lose to Monza yesterday if not for the missing penalty. Although if the penalty was scored, this may trigger more action from Napoli to make them play more better. But for Juventus and Roma, I'm picking Juventus to win here. I'm not expecting much goal in this game but I believe Juventus should play to win this match.

A draw is not the expected result because Napoli must protect their chances in order to stay in a position that will take them to play in the Europa League if the opportunity to appear in the UCL next season is no longer possible.
Monza is actually not an opponent that is too difficult to beat because Napoli play at their proud stadium.
Against Monzo, this match was full of hot tension which forced the referee to issue two red cards to two coaches.
For Napoli, the result of this match is detrimental to them because they have to lose Meret for an undetermined amount of time.

Juventus can be used as the favorite team to bet on the match against AS Roma at the Allianz Stadium.
Juventus' statistics are still very good compared to AS Roma, which is still unstable in its performance this season.

[temple]

Napoli almost lose to Monza yesterday if not for the missing penalty. Although if the penalty was scored, this may trigger more action from Napoli to make them play more better. But for Juventus and Roma, I'm picking Juventus to win here. I'm not expecting much goal in this game but I believe Juventus should play to win this match.

A draw is not the expected result because Napoli must protect their chances in order to stay in a position that will take them to play in the Europa League if the opportunity to appear in the UCL next season is no longer possible.
Monza is actually not an opponent that is too difficult to beat because Napoli play at their proud stadium.
Against Monzo, this match was full of hot tension which forced the referee to issue two red cards to two coaches.
For Napoli, the result of this match is detrimental to them because they have to lose Meret for an undetermined amount of time.

Juventus can be used as the favorite team to bet on the match against AS Roma at the Allianz Stadium.
Juventus' statistics are still very good compared to AS Roma, which is still unstable in its performance this season.

The Champions League is still very possible for Napoli, but I agree that they have to strengthen their game soon or otherwise they will be running out of options rather sooner than later. I don't think that Napoli has a chance to catch Juventus or Inter Milan, but AC Milan, Fiorentina, Bologna and Roma will be fighting for those two Champions League qualifiers. They really need to win a few games in a row to not make it too easy for all those other clubs as they are losing out on points sporadically as well. That's when Napoli has to be ready to go for it. They really changed significantly within just a few months. A lot of the strengths their game was about seems to be gone.

[Ondekinecakabilirim]

There are some good matches in the Italian Serie A today. But I think the best match will be between Juventus and Roma. Juventus are unbeaten in the league for 12 games, with 9 wins and 3 draws in this period.  They are the closest followers of Inter. After Inter they are the best team in the league. On the other hand, Roma are not very good this season but they beat Napoli last week. Romelu Lukaku scored a goal in that game. It will be a good game for sure. I think Juventus will win this match with the home advantage.

[bering]

Atalanta vs Lecce

Both of teams had same results last week that they were just lose from their opponents that Atalanta lose from Bologna with narrow score and Lecce also has just lose from Inter Milan and the meetings statistics from them looks interesting because from 4 latest meetings Atalanta got 2 wins even so with Lecce because they also can able to beat Atalanta twice and from these statiatics we can see both of them can beat each other so this match will be so tight

Atalanta performance is not really good if we compared to their performance last season because they have already to lose 8 times and Atalanta home matches records als quite poor because they had several times to lose at their home ground and for Lecce they have good progress this season because until week 17 Lecce only gets 5 lose but indeed it cannot be says impressive because Lecce has got 8 draw which make they have to losing plenty of points from those matches

Regarding the outcomes of this match although Atalanta as a host but i didn't considers them as the favourite because just like i said above Atalanta home matches records wasn't too impressive this season besides that Lecce recent performance also looks good because from 6 matches Lecce only lose from Inter Milan and my prediction is Lecce will make Atalanta get in trouble and they will pushing to playing defense and targetting draw result so that's why i was thinking draw might be good pick for this match and this option has high odds @4.20 or for safe bets both teams to scores also looks good

[Velvet78]

Inter really lost 2 points against Genoa, interesting... The second half was just horrible for Inter. They couldn't perform decently and I think they deserved this draw as a result. There is a big opportunity for Juventus to get closer to them now. But first they need to beat Roma. They would do this by a close score probably. Because Roma would defend and look for counter-attacks while Juventus also play a controlled game.

Coming back to Inter and Genoa I mean Genoa were really an unpredictable team against top teams of the league. But I thought Inter would be the one to beat them at least. If Martinez wasn't injured maybe Inter wouldn't have left any points in this game. 

Yeah, this is beyond our expectations when we thought Inter Milan could win easily but what happened they missed this opportunity lol, instead of leaving Juventus further Inter Milan actually opened up opportunities for Juventus to get closer, if Juventus wins tomorrow then Juventus will only be 2 points away from Inter Milan or maybe Inter Milan has predicted that Juventus will also draw against AS Roma? it would be strange if they could predict before the game started By the way Juventus previously drew against Genoa, I'm curious why Genoa was so strong against Juventus and Inter Milan?

Some teams really have some tricks against the biggest teams of a league. In the Serie A it has been mostly Sassuolo to be seen like that actually. I remember a lot of times in which they beat the biggest teams in the Serie A. They did it against Inter this season too. However now it is like the task has been transferred to Genoa.  

They really somehow find a way to steal points from those teams. Even Inter couldn't stand in their way. But Genoa are still one of the middle-placed teams in the standings. There is just lack of consistency putting some distance between them and a much better position than this.

[Jatiluhung]

The match of the week will be played in Turin this evening. Although Juventus is the favorite of the match, Rome is also a strong team, but their away record this season is not very encouraging. While Juventus drew one of the last 5 home matches, Roma had 2 wins, 2 losses and 1 draw in the last 5 away matches. I think Juventus will probably win the match, but I think it will be a low-goal match. If Roma can score, the match could end 2-1.

As hosts, Juventus is naturally the favorite in today's match against Roma. Because we can see that Juventus' match record when they host is always quite good. Holding Inter Milan to a draw and also beating Napoli is a pretty good record. And Massimiliano Allegri will definitely make the match against Roma a match they must win. Because if they don't win this match, Juventus will be further behind by Inter Milan in the title race this season. So playing at home should be put to good use by Juventus as usual.

But the score created probably won't be much. In fact, I doubt there will be more than 2 goals in this match. Because in home games we usually see Juventus not scoring many goals this season.

[shield132]

Even though there are still many match left this season, if their game does not improve then it will be difficult for them to improve their performance in the standings table. I think one form of loss of their best performance this season is due to the decline in the performance of their key players such as Osimhen and Kvaratskhelia. So that every match they play, if these two player cannot show better improvement, it will be difficult for them to achieve maximum results in the match they play.

Kvaratskhelia just got married and has a very bad performance, I hope that is not a reason behind his bad performance but I believe that he will improve soon, he is a competitive guy and people from his nation demand more from him, he makes his country popular and local people are very proud of him. Everyone has bad seasons, let's hope that he and Osimhen will get in shape soon.
Btw does anyone know what happened between Mourinho and Kvaratskhelia?

[Uruhara]

Inter returns from Genoa away with 1 point.I must say that it was an important point loss for Inter.Genoa did a good job by getting a draw from Inter.Getting a draw from the leader of the league and a strong candidate for the championship is not a job that every team can do.This gave Juventus a chance to close the points difference.The fact that the match ended 1-1 and the goals came towards the end of the first half should be an indicator of how boring and unexciting the match was.
Lazio, on the other hand, managed to get 3 points by defeating their opponent 3-1 in the match in which they fell behind 1-0.The fact that all of the goals came in the second half shows that the second half of the match was very lively.For Lazio, we have to say that the higher they finish the league, the better it will be.At the moment, they will have a top 4 target, there is nothing lost yet.

Inter Milan really fucked up yesterday. I know alot of gamblers will lose to inter yesterday. They neither win nor play over2.5. I never think they will draw this game. Even at 80 min, I'm still expecting a win from them. I think Juventus should win today against Roma and take the advantage of the draw between Genoa and Inter to move more close to Inter in terms of points.

Genoa played well in that match. They were able to match the pattern of play played by Inter Milan in that match. Genoa even played beyond everyone's expectations because holding Inter Milan to a draw was indeed a great honor for Genoa, which is currently ranked 13th. And the draw was beyond everyone's expectations. And yeah, the match was a bit boring. Inter Milan did not make their attacks as sharp as usual.

Juventus today will definitely be even more enthusiastic about being able to beat Roma who will come to visit Juventus headquarters. As the host, Juventus must fight harder. But I also wouldn't be surprised if the match ended in a draw. Because currently Rome is also having quite good improvements.

[X-ray]

Inter's draw was disappointing, especially if you had a bet on them. The match dynamics, with two first-half goals and Genoa having better statistics in the second half, indicate a subpar performance from Inter. Perhaps the year-end pressure affected their focus. On the other hand, Lazio faced challenges against Frosinone but turned the game around after conceding first. Despite a potentially narrow outcome, Lazio secured a victory.

I will not say frosinone play bad. It's really surprising me to see that how genoa was able being equal to the intermilan. It was really amazing to see that happens from genoa's side caused by it can be equal in the gameplay against intermilan. Intermilan was missing very important points. Intermilan tried so hard to win the game but it was failed to do that. Im feeling very disappointed to see that but since this is the final result and i must accept it. It sounds genoa knew how to prevent intermilan from dominating the game.
Simeone's squad was struggling to score another goal. Losing lautaro martinez has been giving very big impact to the club. It seems like that most contributions owned by martinez.

This is why the club could not winning the game and it feels like that intermilan is too depending on lautaro matinez. He reminds me with guirassy which was always able helping club to leave from the difficult situation.
Im not feeling doubt if intermilan carried by lautaro martinez alone. Thuram was a useless and overrated striker. He was not a successful striker.

[MinoRaiola]

This match is a big opportunity for Juventus to win against Roma, this is in order to get 3 points and close the gap with Inter. In this match, Juventus is very favored because it is playing at home, of course this will get a lot of support from its supporters and will be an encouragement for Juventus to achieve victory. In my opinion, Roma's back line still looks very weak and its performance is not optimal so it will be very easy for Juventus to score goals. However, Juventus also has to remain wary of Roma's attacks, because Lukaku and Dybala's attacks could be a bomberang for Juventus if they don't pay attention to the back line and take Roma's attacks lightly. It looks like this match will be a very exciting match to watch.

This is the best game of all today! International, there is nothing better. But one thing is not possible today Paolo Dybala will not play for AS Roma, he is injured and needs another 1-2 weeks until he is healthy again. So he cant play against his last club, I would have liked to have seen that. When Juventus win today, than only be 2 points, thats true. But Inter Milan are so strong, they rare lose a game at the moment. Their last game in the Coppa Italia against Bologna was very strange, but the last time they lost in Serie A was in September against Sassuolo Calcio 1:2. But ok, there is a top game today, hope Juventus win it.

[Swordsoffreedom]

I believe Juventus will have a big motivation to win the match. Moreover, they know Inter Milan got a draw result, it is the time to shorten the point gap with Inter Milan. The match will be held in Juventus stadium as well, Juventus has the advantage to win the match. Considering some important matters, I am pretty sure that Juventus will succeed to beat AS Roma now. If Juventus get full points in the match, the point gap will be 2 points only. So, the chance for winning the title will be higher.
Yes, no other teams that possibly overtake Inter Milan points. Juventus is the only team that has the chance to catch Inter Milan. Juventus mustn't waste the chance to shorten the points gap with Inter Milan.

Juventus have more motivation for winning match against AS Roma tomorrow after Inter Milan losses three points and give chance to gap 2 points left if Juventus get three points. Opportunity for Juventus keep close their points with top standings team and make Scudetto tittle race more interested again behind 2 points left. Not get pressure yet for Juventus exactly playing after Inter Milan have losses points will make Juventus more confidence get three points against AS Roma and important thing their target how to make close points and keep in tittle race for this season. AS Roma difficult get three points when facing top teams and likely this match will be three points for Juventus and keep interested with Scudetto tittle race in this season between Inter Milan and Juventus.

Inter Milan's loss of points has resulted in Juventus narrowing the points gap with  Inter Milan. Juventus team is behind Inter Milan by 5 points without playing 1 match. Juventus will face Roma  in the next match. It cannot be said  for sure whether Juventus will be  able to win this home match. There is no doubt that Juventus are a strong and tactical team. But the Roma  team is not weak. With the help of Mourinho, Roma is able to perform well. Roma have the ability to beat Juventus if Lukaku and Dybala perform well. So this match will be very competitive. Closing the points gap with Inter Milan is a difficult task for Juventus.

This match is a big opportunity for Juventus to win against Roma, this is in order to get 3 points and close the gap with Inter. In this match, Juventus is very favored because it is playing at home, of course this will get a lot of support from its supporters and will be an encouragement for Juventus to achieve victory. In my opinion, Roma's back line still looks very weak and its performance is not optimal so it will be very easy for Juventus to score goals. However, Juventus also has to remain wary of Roma's attacks, because Lukaku and Dybala's attacks could be a bomberang for Juventus if they don't pay attention to the back line and take Roma's attacks lightly. It looks like this match will be a very exciting match to watch.

Yeah, after a long time Juventus got a chance to close the points gap. If the Juventus  team cannot take advantage of this opportunity, the team will not be able to win the title. If you want to win the title, you must beat Roma team and Juventus team must get three points from this match. Juventus is now 5 points behind Inter Milan. As Inter Milan's performance was very consistent, the Juventus team was not able to close the points gap with Inter Milan. Roma is definitely a strong team. But since Juventus aims to be champions of Serie A. So they must perform best.

[rendravolt]

Gosh, Napoli only drew the same 0-0 after being kept quiet by Monza and this was a poor result at home. To be honest, I didn't watch this match but if I look at the statistics there is a fierce match between the two teams. Not a few cards have been issued by the referee, proving that there were many fouls in this match.

On the other hand, Napoli coach Walter Mazzari had to be sent off from the field after receiving a red card and it seems this happened as a result of strong protests directed at the referee. Meanwhile, Monza also suffered a loss in the final minute after Mirko Maric received a red card. The only important chance that Monza had was in the 68th minute after they received a penalty kick, only for Pessina to fail to convert the penalty into a goal.

I thought Napoli was going to take this opportunity to turn things around for themselves but the reverse is the case, they played at home yet they couldn't utilize their home advantage against the Monza side , this goes further more to show that Napoli has lost their touch and may continue to decline further until something is done to boost the morale of the Napoli squad. Napoli was once known as one  of Italian elite football club but they are far from that status right now as a result of their sudden decline, they are the defending champion yet they seem like a team that just gained promotion into top flight, they have to start gearing up because there's alot to play for.

I think the absence of Victor Osimhen who received a red card in the previous match also had quite a significant impact on Napoli's attack line and placing Raspadori as his replacement was also not appropriate. But coach Walter Mazzari had no other option so he had to put Raspadori in that position. We can see the results and even if there is Kvaratskhelia it cannot change anything. This season has really been a decline in performance for Napoli and they have only won once in the last 5 matches.

Something we rarely see from Napoli and remembering that last season they crushed all the existing teams and now seeing the reality is 180 degrees apart feels strange for Napoli. It looks like Napoli will have to think about buying new players in January so that their squad can be more guaranteed in winning matches and also at the same time being able to penetrate the Champions League zone again because it would be a bit funny if Napoli couldn't do that.

[puloweh555]

Juventus did not lose any of the last 12 matches in the league. I think they will take advantage of playing this match on their home field. Juventus will have the superiority in terms of play in the match if they do not concede a goal at the beginning of the match. I watch the matches of both teams and I can say that the football Juventus has played recently is a little better than Roma.

Juventus biggest advantage is its good defense. If they use this well, Roma may have trouble scoring goals. Still, both teams can win the match because both teams have quality players who can change the score.

Yes that's right. This match is really superior for Juventus because they are on fire. of course they will try to get a win and end the year with three points. Juventus feels confident too, apart from being unbeaten in the last twelve matches they also have a good trend when facing As Roma at home.

With the conditions that Juventus currently has, I think this match will be won by Juventus, this victory is important for them to catch up on their points with Inter who are in first place. If Juventus is able to beat AS Roma, Juventus will be closer to Inter, only two points behind.

[bangjoe]

With how Napoli lost to Frosinone during the Coppa Italia, I feel anything can happen in the game today with Monza. Granted the visitors don't pose a threat to them but I won't be taking any chances with the game especially as Napoli have only won 1 of their Serie A and their key attacker, Victor Osimhen was red carded in their last game to Roma I just feel that Monza will want to prove difficult to beat.  
 Walter Mazzari's men will have to win the game tonight if they want to temporarily occupy the sixth place as a loss will prove costly.

Monza and Napoli are not in good form especially Napoli who are forced to lose Osimhen for this match because of a red card, but in my opinion still, even if it is like that Monza will not easily beat Napoli.

Maybe the big possibility in my opinion is the result of a draw or won by Napoli, somehow I quite doubt Monza in tonight's match against Napoli. Because I prefer to bet on Napoli tonight in serie A, although I have little doubt that Napoli will get a victory over Monza, just enough confidence 1-0 for Napoli.

It's quite true that the red card gotten by Osimhen in their last game to Roma will sorely affect them but we can also agree that the Nigerian can be done without in some games but in terms of strength, the home side have got more wins than Monza but one thing I'd agree with you on is that small teams just know how to upset the plans of big teams and in this case, Napoli who are looking to climb up.
 For Monza, they didnt mind a draw as it was better than a loss  but Napoli fans weren't impressed by the game as they expected more from their team and instead of goals, they got cards.

As I said, the match is likely to be a draw even though I bet a win on Napoli last night. Judging from the match in both games in my opinion is fairly equal, from the total domination of shots and so on not so far, and yes we witnessed that Napoli lost its vital tool to stab into the Monza defense, losing Osimhen was so very influential, seen from last night's match. A 0-0 result for Monza vs Napoli, with a red card for Monza's Mirco Maric.

BTW the ongoing match between Lecce vs Atalanta is still with 0-0 in this first half, it seems Lecce is much more depressed and does not have much ball to build attacks, the possibility of victory is greater for Atalanta, but who knows this ends up surprising.

[Jody.Drummer]

Juventus did not lose any of the last 12 matches in the league. I think they will take advantage of playing this match on their home field. Juventus will have the superiority in terms of play in the match if they do not concede a goal at the beginning of the match. I watch the matches of both teams and I can say that the football Juventus has played recently is a little better than Roma.

Juventus biggest advantage is its good defense. If they use this well, Roma may have trouble scoring goals. Still, both teams can win the match because both teams have quality players who can change the score.

Yes that's right. This match is really superior for Juventus because they are on fire. of course they will try to get a win and end the year with three points. Juventus feels confident too, apart from being unbeaten in the last twelve matches they also have a good trend when facing As Roma at home.

With the conditions that Juventus currently has, I think this match will be won by Juventus, this victory is important for them to catch up on their points with Inter who are in first place. If Juventus is able to beat AS Roma, Juventus will be closer to Inter, only two points behind.

Juventus have the opportunity to reduce their points gap with Inter Milan after Inter Milan failed to win in this week's match because they could only draw against Genoa. This result is quite surprising too, because previously I also predicted a victory for Inter Milan, but it didn't happen.
Juventus will face AS Roma, a match that is not easy for both, because both have the ability to beat each other. Juventus are more favored and they also have the advantage of being the host. Juventus must quickly find the rhythm of the game if they want to dominate the match, and that way they can force AS Roma to play defense. But I think AS Roma will play with a waiting strategy in this match.

[asriloni]

The match of the week will be played in Turin this evening. Although Juventus is the favorite of the match, Rome is also a strong team, but their away record this season is not very encouraging. While Juventus drew one of the last 5 home matches, Roma had 2 wins, 2 losses and 1 draw in the last 5 away matches. I think Juventus will probably win the match, but I think it will be a low-goal match. If Roma can score, the match could end 2-1.

Roma is as strong as juventus even though it was still at the bottom, but the inconsistency was the major problem owned by roma. Juventus is strong, but it has weak attacking line and im preferring to take roma to win the game against juventus.
This is going to be another disaster for intermilan caused by we do know that how juventus fans were so racist for the lukaku. I hope that the old story will not be repeating. Juventus needs to make sure their opponent can play there safely.

Another important match is going to happen. Roma can help intermilan to make the gap even bigger as long as it will be able to beat juventus soon.Im wondering what line up that is going to be used by roma.
It may probably to put lukaku upfront. Dybala should be following him as attacking midfielder. This is the best line up that may be used by mourinho but im sure both of clubs will be playing safely.

[Oluwa-btc]

The match of the week will be played in Turin this evening. Although Juventus is the favorite of the match, Rome is also a strong team, but their away record this season is not very encouraging. While Juventus drew one of the last 5 home matches, Roma had 2 wins, 2 losses and 1 draw in the last 5 away matches. I think Juventus will probably win the match, but I think it will be a low-goal match. If Roma can score, the match could end 2-1.

Roma is as strong as juventus even though it was still at the bottom, but the inconsistency was the major problem owned by roma. Juventus is strong, but it has weak attacking line and im preferring to take roma to win the game against juventus.
This is going to be another disaster for intermilan caused by we do know that how juventus fans were so racist for the lukaku. I hope that the old story will not be repeating. Juventus needs to make sure their opponent can play there safely.

Another important match is going to happen. Roma can help intermilan to make the gap even bigger as long as it will be able to beat juventus soon.Im wondering what line up that is going to be used by roma.
It may probably to put lukaku upfront. Dybala should be following him as attacking midfielder. This is the best line up that may be used by mourinho but im sure both of clubs will be playing safely.

One be good at defending while the other be good at attacking and scoring goals. Juventus are also trying to make that they bring in like minds who wants to win and as well play. They're my favorites to win even if I like Jose Mourinho and his As Roma side. Would be another day for Romelu Lukaku to silence those fans who mocked and rejected him earlier this season. He should definitely be on the score sheet tonight.

Inter Milan failed to extend them point gap yesterday as they was held down to a full-time draw game. Atalanta be playing right now, though I don't know what the score looks like but they shouldn't sleep today. They're finding it hard to settle this ball down and play good football.

[Blitzboy]

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Napoli almost lose to Monza yesterday if not for the missing penalty. Although if the penalty was scored, this may trigger more action from Napoli to make them play more better. But for Juventus and Roma, I'm picking Juventus to win here. I'm not expecting much goal in this game but I believe Juventus should play to win this match.

Napoli's close loss to Monza worries me. They're fighting for UCL or Europa League entry. In recent months, their game has evolved drastically, and not for the better. They must regain their rhythm quickly, especially with AC Milan and Fiorentina pressing for Champions League qualification. Napoli must improve.

For Juventus and Roma, I agree that Juventus is the favorite. Their performance is more stable, and they seem to know their game plan better than Roma. I expect Juventus to win, but it may not be a goal fest.