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September 06, 2023, 06:31:38 PM
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It is very common for a club that has just been promoted to bundesliga 1 to have a poor performance due to an unstable performance problem and of course a club like Darmstadt needs adaptation to get used to playing with big clubs that have been in this bundesliga for a long time so that the time needed to accustomed to the playing style of big clubs Darmstadt must learn and try little by little to improve performance to get out of the relegation zone if you want to stay in bundesliga 1.
If can't improve Darmstadt performance I think it will end up like Herta Berlin who was relegated last season after being promoted to bundesliga 1.
Especially when playing against seasoned powerhouses, freshly promoted Bundesliga teams like Darmstadt frequently struggle in their opening games. It is terrible that they weren't even able to draw, but it is important to keep in mind the vast difference in resources and experience. Swift adaptation is necessary to maintain top tier position. It is only natural for a fan to want surprises and rivalry but it is a difficult task. The forthcoming game between Darmstadt and Gladbach is crucial for their hopes because each point might be crucial in their fight to stay in the Bundesliga. For any promoted squad, adjusting to the mental and competitive demands of the top division is a difficult undertaking.

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September 06, 2023, 06:32:39 PM
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One of the Bundesliga promotion teams this season, Darmstadt, got a bad start and from the 3 matches they have played so far they have not got any points at all. However, Damstadt lost to 3 teams that dominated the Bundesliga last season, namely Frankfurt, Union Berlin and Leverkusen. So it's no wonder they get bad results when facing these strong teams. I had hoped that at least Damstadt would be able to surprise by defeating one or two of these teams, but it seems that didn't happen, even Damstadt was unable to hold a draw. In their next match they will face Gladbach at home and they must win this match if they want to have any hope of staying in the bundesliga.
It's a common thing for promoted teams, how they make a bad start to the season and there seem to be very few teams that can provide strong competition in their first season since promotion.
I personally actually hope that the promoted team can do something interesting like competing at least in the middle of the table, and if they are able to I would like to see them in the top flight. And it seems that it will all be very difficult for them to do, because from a mental point of view they have to adjust again when they are in the highest caste competition in a country.
It's true that this is a reality that we often encounter and they definitely don't have the good mentality to be able to compete up to the middle of the table. Hoping that they can do it so that they don't get relegated is a miracle and I had to wonder if a team like Damstadt didn't prepare something more mature so they could compete in the Bundesliga. We can see that they will only have trouble at the bottom and their chances of being relegated are getting bigger due to a lack of understanding. I think Damstadt must make more organized changes so that they don't just lose in the last 5 matches.

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September 06, 2023, 06:48:30 PM
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One of the Bundesliga promotion teams this season, Darmstadt, got a bad start and from the 3 matches they have played so far they have not got any points at all. However, Damstadt lost to 3 teams that dominated the Bundesliga last season, namely Frankfurt, Union Berlin and Leverkusen. So it's no wonder they get bad results when facing these strong teams. I had hoped that at least Damstadt would be able to surprise by defeating one or two of these teams, but it seems that didn't happen, even Damstadt was unable to hold a draw. In their next match they will face Gladbach at home and they must win this match if they want to have any hope of staying in the bundesliga.
It's a common thing for promoted teams, how they make a bad start to the season and there seem to be very few teams that can provide strong competition in their first season since promotion.
I personally actually hope that the promoted team can do something interesting like competing at least in the middle of the table, and if they are able to I would like to see them in the top flight. And it seems that it will all be very difficult for them to do, because from a mental point of view they have to adjust again when they are in the highest caste competition in a country.
Most of the time promoted sides have no fair chance for giving their best in any league with mostly other teams are having good sources and experience which is not available for them right now we have many teams are struggling badly due to their quality and experience and same happening here both are in danger zone with most chances things could be better after break because they are going to face other struggling sides even these both are having enough strength and quality but these newly promoted sides can give their best for having some positive impact.

Heidenheim done good job in his last game against Dortmund and fight back after conceding two goals, but now they are going to visit another competitive team which won last game and try to snatch another three points Darmstadt also having fair chance against Gladbatch which is currently struggling after having one point from their first game.

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September 06, 2023, 07:47:30 PM
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Leverkusen have made a huge progress with Xabi Alonso until now. Currently we are seeing them on top of the standings. But they are going to have their biggest test in 9 days. Their job will be really challenging in Allianz Arena. Because Bayern Munich look much more different than last season. Kane addition has started to make difference for the team already. In Tuchel's system the team play looks better also.

My opinion on this match is that Bayern Munich will win anyway. However my expectations from Leverkusen for the whole season are quite big. If they maintain consistency I believe in them to fight for the league title until last weeks.

If they do this I will be considering Xabi Alonso as Real Madrid's next manager. You know that Ancelotti will leave next summer and Xabi Alonso is drawing attention to himself a lot.

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September 06, 2023, 07:53:02 PM
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One of the Bundesliga promotion teams this season, Darmstadt, got a bad start and from the 3 matches they have played so far they have not got any points at all. However, Damstadt lost to 3 teams that dominated the Bundesliga last season, namely Frankfurt, Union Berlin and Leverkusen. So it's no wonder they get bad results when facing these strong teams. I had hoped that at least Damstadt would be able to surprise by defeating one or two of these teams, but it seems that didn't happen, even Damstadt was unable to hold a draw. In their next match they will face Gladbach at home and they must win this match if they want to have any hope of staying in the bundesliga.

For promoted teams, the first weeks are not easy. Although they won almost all their games in the previous season, they have to realise that there is a difference between Bundesliga 1 and 2. The third-placed teams in Bundesliga 2 in particular have to realise this too. In the relegation matches, the team from Bundesliga 1 usually wins. it is a different quality.
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September 06, 2023, 09:55:04 PM
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Even Tuchel was criticized in the last part of last season for being eliminated from the Champions League early and nearly losing the Bundesliga title to Dortmund.

However this wasn't fair thinking of he joined the team quite late and he didn't have much time to make his system work smoothly. But now things are going really well for the team. Because Tuchel had lots of time to apply the plans in his mind for this team. With Kane's arrival they are a much more complete team now. I think they won't only be competitive in the Bundesliga. I expect a satisfying level of success in the Champions League as well.

I don't think anyone criticized Tuchel last season as everyone was focused on Kahn and Salihamidzic. They made a very risky decision and guessed wrong, now they are not in the club. This season, Bayern got Kane and Tuchel has everything to make the season successful, so if he does not, he will certainly receive his portion of criticism.

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September 06, 2023, 10:02:16 PM
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Even Tuchel was criticized in the last part of last season for being eliminated from the Champions League early and nearly losing the Bundesliga title to Dortmund.

However this wasn't fair thinking of he joined the team quite late and he didn't have much time to make his system work smoothly. But now things are going really well for the team. Because Tuchel had lots of time to apply the plans in his mind for this team. With Kane's arrival they are a much more complete team now. I think they won't only be competitive in the Bundesliga. I expect a satisfying level of success in the Champions League as well.

I don't think anyone criticized Tuchel last season as everyone was focused on Kahn and Salihamidzic. They made a very risky decision and guessed wrong, now they are not in the club. This season, Bayern got Kane and Tuchel has everything to make the season successful, so if he does not, he will certainly receive his portion of criticism.
Tuchel has complete strength to bring the mighty Bayern Munich in the Champions League and also the Bundesliga. Harry Kane has buried the criticism that came to Tuchel after he was successfully recruited by Bayern Munich. His performance on the field brought a significant change to the doubts some fans have about Tuchel this season.

Kahn and Salihamidzic have been fired, although it was very surprising, it was the best choice made by Bayern Munich management. Big hopes we have to see tuchel's performance in the champions league this season. Can he present the ucl trophy to take home to the allianz arena or will he fail to do so.

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I think in the Bundesliga Bayern Munchen will continue to dominate as usual, I am optimistic for them in the Domestic League. It is true that the addition of Harry Kane makes them more complete and more confident to face the competition. Even though Laverkusen currently sits at the top of the standings, there will definitely be changes after the second meeting on September 16.

For the Champions League, In my opinion Munchen toughest opponent in the group phase is Man United. Galatasaray and Copenhagen are not significant obstacles for Tuchel squad in group A.
With their current condition, it seems likely that something like that will happen again.
Last season their obstacle was the lack of strikers who could break down the opponent's defense because of the absence of a pure striker for them but for now things like this need not be thought of because there is already a figure of Kane who can be a good choice for Tuchel to position himself as a targetman. On the other hand, now they also have a better scheme and Tuchel already knows what he has to do compared to before when he just came to replace Nagelsmaan so in this case saying with confidence that Bayern's dominance will happen again I think this is still possible.

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September 06, 2023, 10:39:49 PM
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I think in the Bundesliga Bayern Munchen will continue to dominate as usual, I am optimistic for them in the Domestic League. It is true that the addition of Harry Kane makes them more complete and more confident to face the competition. Even though Laverkusen currently sits at the top of the standings, there will definitely be changes after the second meeting on September 16.

For the Champions League, In my opinion Munchen toughest opponent in the group phase is Man United. Galatasaray and Copenhagen are not significant obstacles for Tuchel squad in group A.
With their current condition, it seems likely that something like that will happen again.
Last season their obstacle was the lack of strikers who could break down the opponent's defense because of the absence of a pure striker for them but for now things like this need not be thought of because there is already a figure of Kane who can be a good choice for Tuchel to position himself as a targetman. On the other hand, now they also have a better scheme and Tuchel already knows what he has to do compared to before when he just came to replace Nagelsmaan so in this case saying with confidence that Bayern's dominance will happen again I think this is still possible.
After critically analysis of what has transpired in the German Bundesliga competition this season, I think Bayern Munich's dominance in the league isn't gonna stop any time soon not now that the club has signed a great replacement for their former world class striker Robert Lewandowski with the addition of Harry Kane to the club.
The quality of players in the Bayern Munich set up is too intimidating when compared to rest 17 clubs in the league and that's why it looks certain that they'll still retain the title even when we are still very much in the early stages of the competition

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September 06, 2023, 11:45:05 PM
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Stuttgart have been really interesting so far. Because they got another sensational win by 5-0 and it was even against Freiburg. You know how decent Freiburg have been in the league in the recent years. They have been competitive for top four even though they couldn't manage to make it. Therefore seeing this loss against Stuttgart was shocking.

Freiburg actually made a good start to the season until this game. I wonder how their defense was this vulnerable against Stuttgart. Despite getting a big loss against Leipzig it still didn't prevented Stuttgart from concentrating amazingly on the Freiburg game.

They were just lucky or Freiburg were in their poor form earlier this season, if you take a closer look at the statistics then you will understand that Stuttgart win isn't a win that stems from their great game. They don't dominate from any side, let's say one of the sides they control.

Ball possession? No, they even only have 48% there.

Attempt shot? Of course not, Freiburg played more dominantly in attack, which is why I say that Stuttgart was just lucky.

The rates for Dortmund are not bad and I think it is worth taking the risk and betting on Dortmund for this game because we know Dortmoundisnot stable team and they usually have unstable performance in the Bundesliga but the rate for this team is currently 2.11 and in the last meets they had, Dortmund won the game three times while Freiburg won two times.


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September 06, 2023, 11:58:08 PM
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Stuttgart have been really interesting so far. Because they got another sensational win by 5-0 and it was even against Freiburg. You know how decent Freiburg have been in the league in the recent years. They have been competitive for top four even though they couldn't manage to make it. Therefore seeing this loss against Stuttgart was shocking.

Freiburg actually made a good start to the season until this game. I wonder how their defense was this vulnerable against Stuttgart. Despite getting a big loss against Leipzig it still didn't prevented Stuttgart from concentrating amazingly on the Freiburg game.

They were just lucky or Freiburg were in their poor form earlier this season, if you take a closer look at the statistics then you will understand that Stuttgart win isn't a win that stems from their great game. They don't dominate from any side, let's say one of the sides they control.

Ball possession? No, they even only have 48% there.

Attempt shot? Of course not, Freiburg played more dominantly in attack, which is why I say that Stuttgart was just lucky.

The rates for Dortmund are not bad and I think it is worth taking the risk and betting on Dortmund for this game because we know Dortmoundisnot stable team and they usually have unstable performance in the Bundesliga but the rate for this team is currently 2.11 and in the last meets they had, Dortmund won the game three times while Freiburg won two times.



It seems true. I consider the previous result as my main consideration. Dortmund has bigger chance to win against freiburg. Freiburg is still struggling with its performance after stuttgart was just destroyed it on the previous match.
The chance owned by dortmund is pretty high. Dortmund's odds is quite good. Even though dortmund was still unstable but this club has bigger chance in winning the game. Lost 5-0 against stuttgart was just proving that if freiburg was in worst condition compared with last season.

Freiburg is looking so different, we can't take the result from previous matches to determine the outcome from this match. I think that picking dortmund is far better. BTTS may also happen.
Even though this is a risky choice but im feeling better about it to pick dortmund over freiburg.

Draw is still possible to happen. Dortmund may face a tough game against freiburg.

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September 07, 2023, 12:26:28 AM
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It seems true. I consider the previous result as my main consideration. Dortmund has bigger chance to win against freiburg. Freiburg is still struggling with its performance after stuttgart was just destroyed it on the previous match.
The chance owned by dortmund is pretty high. Dortmund's odds is quite good. Even though dortmund was still unstable but this club has bigger chance in winning the game. Lost 5-0 against stuttgart was just proving that if freiburg was in worst condition compared with last season.

Freiburg is looking so different, we can't take the result from previous matches to determine the outcome from this match. I think that picking dortmund is far better. BTTS may also happen.
Even though this is a risky choice but im feeling better about it to pick dortmund over freiburg.

Draw is still possible to happen. Dortmund may face a tough game against freiburg.
In the Bundesliga, Dortmund is one of the biggest team and are among those competing very well to challenge the champions Bayern Munich over the years, therefore whether Freiburg performs well this season or not the bookies would always rate Dortmund over them, I left for me I expect Dortmund to eaily beat them with a good goal margin because they got a better squad and the stats shows that they're favorites to win the match.
 If you check their stats you'll see that Dortmund have been very dominant in their past meetings and have won 3 of the past 5 meetings, their last meeting was a 5-1 victory in favour of Dortmund and the opposition team only managed to beat Dortmund twice in 2021 but this is 2023 and I expect Dortmund to win like they did last year and top Freiburg who are sitted 8th on the table and toping Dortmund with a point.

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September 07, 2023, 04:47:12 AM
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It seems true. I consider the previous result as my main consideration. Dortmund has bigger chance to win against freiburg. Freiburg is still struggling with its performance after stuttgart was just destroyed it on the previous match.
The chance owned by dortmund is pretty high. Dortmund's odds is quite good. Even though dortmund was still unstable but this club has bigger chance in winning the game. Lost 5-0 against stuttgart was just proving that if freiburg was in worst condition compared with last season.

Freiburg is looking so different, we can't take the result from previous matches to determine the outcome from this match. I think that picking dortmund is far better. BTTS may also happen.
Even though this is a risky choice but im feeling better about it to pick dortmund over freiburg.

Draw is still possible to happen. Dortmund may face a tough game against freiburg.
Edin Terzic is a top manager that basically knows what his team needs and he find ways to fixed his challenging circumstances. Borrusia Dortmund have not been quite the strong team this season, always recording poor performance in league games. It's very important they quickly get back to form because Bundesliga clubs are no longer relenting in league games, average clubs portraying their very best against elite ones, more like full competitive rave for the title. Freiburg hosting Borrusia Dortmund this weekend at the Swarzwald-Stadion. Definitely Dortmund have the upper hand after beem victorious in the last three meetings.

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September 07, 2023, 07:14:30 AM
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It seems true. I consider the previous result as my main consideration. Dortmund has bigger chance to win against freiburg. Freiburg is still struggling with its performance after stuttgart was just destroyed it on the previous match.
The chance owned by dortmund is pretty high. Dortmund's odds is quite good. Even though dortmund was still unstable but this club has bigger chance in winning the game. Lost 5-0 against stuttgart was just proving that if freiburg was in worst condition compared with last season.

Freiburg is looking so different, we can't take the result from previous matches to determine the outcome from this match. I think that picking dortmund is far better. BTTS may also happen.
Even though this is a risky choice but im feeling better about it to pick dortmund over freiburg.

Draw is still possible to happen. Dortmund may face a tough game against freiburg.
Previously Dortmund records while against Freiburg is quite good and they even can able to win with big scores several times from Freiburg but this season is quite different Dortmund performance is still not stable and i think the conditions from both teams is not so different because they are still find their shape but Dortmund indeed is slightly better because at least they didn't experience to lose but Dortmund has a problem with their defensive lines because in the second half their defender players were still unable to playing consistent

And it proven from their recent records that when entering the second half Dortmund always be conceded goals and i think the manager should be evaluate this problem because if Dortmund failed to win again then their chances will be so difficult to pursuing Bayern Munich for race title but for betting options i am agree with you that both teams to scores seems safe pick

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September 07, 2023, 07:32:00 AM
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The rates for Dortmund are not bad and I think it is worth taking the risk and betting on Dortmund for this game because we know Dortmoundisnot stable team and they usually have unstable performance in the Bundesliga but the rate for this team is currently 2.11 and in the last meets they had, Dortmund won the game three times while Freiburg won two times.


I don't think good ideas for placing bet right now because all main player for both teams have got national teams called and we don't know will return to their team without injury or not.  Better waiting when Dortmund or Freiburg update with their player list name prepare for this match, although its more interested odd for Dortmund depend with Freiburg have bad capital lass match defeated by Stuttgart 5-0 and Dortmund get not really bad result held draw from Heidenheim. Don't see on current standing because both teams have fewest points left where Freiburg have above position standing than Dortmund but left 1 point only.

I think Dortmund is favorite team against Freiburg upcoming match, still need waiting two weeks later for watching this match because in this week have FIFA matches agenda from friendly match until qualifier or Euro.

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September 07, 2023, 07:41:38 AM
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And it proven from their recent records that when entering the second half Dortmund always be conceded goals and i think the manager should be evaluate this problem because if Dortmund failed to win again then their chances will be so difficult to pursuing Bayern Munich for race title but for betting options i am agree with you that both teams to scores seems safe pick
The attack power on Dortmund's front line is very weak and not too sharp so maybe Dortmund really has to evaluate it, lots of great players have been sold by Dortmund and they have a lot of money to get strikers and other players to make Dortmund's attack power better, but unfortunately they didn't do much in the transfer market last summer, I think also that Freiburg probably should have been beaten by the Dortmund main squad the previous season but with the current main squad it still doesn't guarantee them a win.

Moreover, after fighting Freiburg, Dortmund will face PSG in the UCL group phase match, of course they will not play in full with their existing key players because of course they could lose players due to injury or fatigue when facing PSG, so it might be difficult for Dortmund to win. at least another draw or there is a slim chance of winning if there is luck.  Grin

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September 07, 2023, 08:56:04 AM
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The rates for Dortmund are not bad and I think it is worth taking the risk and betting on Dortmund for this game because we know Dortmoundisnot stable team and they usually have unstable performance in the Bundesliga but the rate for this team is currently 2.11 and in the last meets they had, Dortmund won the game three times while Freiburg won two times.


I think these odds are not based on the performance of each team so far but more on the H2H results between the two. I see this as a pretty risky bet and if you look at the odds it is very similar to last week's game between Union Berlin and Leipzig. In that match, Leipzig won by a landslide as the visiting team, so I think it can be interpreted that this time Dortmund will also be able to do the same thing to beat Freiburg. But if you are still unsure about betting on Dortmund's victory, we can use the result of over 2.5 goals or 2.75 goals to be more sure of winning the bet. Seeing the intensity of these two teams in the previous meeting, it is quite clear that there will be many goals created.

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September 07, 2023, 09:02:49 AM
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The rates for Dortmund are not bad and I think it is worth taking the risk and betting on Dortmund for this game because we know Dortmoundisnot stable team and they usually have unstable performance in the Bundesliga but the rate for this team is currently 2.11 and in the last meets they had, Dortmund won the game three times while Freiburg won two times.


I don't think good ideas for placing bet right now because all main player for both teams have got national teams called and we don't know will return to their team without injury or not.  Better waiting when Dortmund or Freiburg update with their player list name prepare for this match, although its more interested odd for Dortmund depend with Freiburg have bad capital lass match defeated by Stuttgart 5-0 and Dortmund get not really bad result held draw from Heidenheim. Don't see on current standing because both teams have fewest points left where Freiburg have above position standing than Dortmund but left 1 point only.

I think Dortmund is favorite team against Freiburg upcoming match, still need waiting two weeks later for watching this match because in this week have FIFA matches agenda from friendly match until qualifier or Euro.
The fate of the two teams was not much different in the Bundeslig at the start of this season, only Freiburg looked better because they were able to get two wins, but their crushing defeat to Stuttgart was quite damaging, because last season at least Stuttgart was a team that had a very difficult time surviving in this division because they almost got relegated, but Freiburg actually lost 0-5.
Indeed, it would be better to wait at least 1-2 days before the match starts because there will be players who have to defend their country's national team in international matches later, if someone is injured then it will greatly affect the result.
Borussia Dortmund is still the favorite to win this match, if not, it will be increasingly difficult for them to keep their distance from Bayern Munich in term of point, but Freiburg as the home team will try to get points in this match, my prediction is that this match will end in a draw, considering that the two are not much different in in terms of performance for now, except that the Freiburg players have not been able to recover because of the previous heavy defeat to Stuttgart.

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September 07, 2023, 09:13:02 AM
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Stuttgart have been really interesting so far. Because they got another sensational win by 5-0 and it was even against Freiburg. You know how decent Freiburg have been in the league in the recent years. They have been competitive for top four even though they couldn't manage to make it. Therefore seeing this loss against Stuttgart was shocking.

Freiburg actually made a good start to the season until this game. I wonder how their defense was this vulnerable against Stuttgart. Despite getting a big loss against Leipzig it still didn't prevented Stuttgart from concentrating amazingly on the Freiburg game.

They were just lucky or Freiburg were in their poor form earlier this season, if you take a closer look at the statistics then you will understand that Stuttgart win isn't a win that stems from their great game. They don't dominate from any side, let's say one of the sides they control.

Ball possession? No, they even only have 48% there.

Attempt shot? Of course not, Freiburg played more dominantly in attack, which is why I say that Stuttgart was just lucky.

I see their ball possession percentage as 50% and I don't think it is bad anyway. They were able to balance the game against Freiburg mostly. Because when we look at the other statistics like dangerous attacks, total passes and so on we can see that Stuttgart did a really great job.

But when it comes to luck I can say that they had a wonderful day really as 5 of their 6 shots on target ended up with goals. Freiburg had nearly the same number of shots on target but zero goal. Still I wouldn't call Stuttgart as too lucky considering the general statistics and the final score.

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September 07, 2023, 09:21:28 AM
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Stuttgart have been really interesting so far. Because they got another sensational win by 5-0 and it was even against Freiburg. You know how decent Freiburg have been in the league in the recent years. They have been competitive for top four even though they couldn't manage to make it. Therefore seeing this loss against Stuttgart was shocking.

Freiburg actually made a good start to the season until this game. I wonder how their defense was this vulnerable against Stuttgart. Despite getting a big loss against Leipzig it still didn't prevented Stuttgart from concentrating amazingly on the Freiburg game.

They were just lucky or Freiburg were in their poor form earlier this season, if you take a closer look at the statistics then you will understand that Stuttgart win isn't a win that stems from their great game. They don't dominate from any side, let's say one of the sides they control.

Ball possession? No, they even only have 48% there.

Attempt shot? Of course not, Freiburg played more dominantly in attack, which is why I say that Stuttgart was just lucky.

I see their ball possession percentage as 50% and I don't think it is bad anyway. They were able to balance the game against Freiburg mostly. Because when we look at the other statistics like dangerous attacks, total passes and so on we can see that Stuttgart did a really great job.

But when it comes to luck I can say that they had a wonderful day really as 5 of their 6 shots on target ended up with goals. Freiburg had nearly the same number of shots on target but zero goal. Still I wouldn't call Stuttgart as too lucky considering the general statistics and the final score.

Ball possession doesn't have to be the key precursor for scoring. Of course you need a ball to score a goal, but scoring 2 goals with30% ball possession doesn't mean you score 4 goals with 60% ball possession. There were quite a few teams that had problems scoring despite their overwhelming ball possession and last season Bayern Munich was one of them. Real Madrid, in contrast, changed their game over the years and they have less ball possession and still great efficiency when they are in good form.

Stuttgart had an amazing day and if they play against each other ten times, it wouldn't end 5-0 most of the time, but on this day you can tell that it was efficiency. They had 6 shots on target and 5 hit the back of the net! Wink

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