Germany League - Bundesliga Prediction Thread

[blackened515]

You really think Bayern would be willing to sell off Robert Lewandowski even with the right offer from Chelsea because, I seriously doubt that. Who is going to replace him should he be sold off by the Champions of Bundesliga? There is apparently, no one. You can imagine how Bayern Munich struggled in the just concluded UCL for which, they eventually got eliminated all because, there star man Robert Lewandowski wasn't on the pitch. For sure they've got good players but, Lewandowski has proven to be better at being more productive to the team. He ain't going anywhere and Chelsea has better turn there focus towards other suitable deals.

Bayern is a world grand, which can buy any player he is interested in, but not sell. And the fact that Chelsea beat Bayern Munich in the Champions League is more a lucky coincidence than a well-deserved victory, although the winners are not judged. Bayern can sell Lewandowski in one case, if only they find in his place a new equivalent replacement, and I do not see such a replacement at the moment.

The Munich coach has said that they have not been very active in the transfer market this season because they don't need new players yet
Unless some players are injured then they have to prepare a replacement before the season starts, currently several Munich players have minor injuries
that's the reason why they are not very active in the transfer market. while Lewandowski's transfer rumors have yet to be confirmed.

Chelsea tried signing Haaland, which it seems was not working out, and they decided to go for Robert Lewandoskii as an alternative. But as you stated, I don't think Bayern will want to sell out Lewandoskii to Chelsea. He is basically one of the top talented player in their squad. Have been a blessing to Bayern, and was the highest goal scorer in the Bundesliga Last season. Even with the £50m Chelsea is ready to pay, I don't think Bayern will give out the player.  

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[AndySt]

You really think Bayern would be willing to sell off Robert Lewandowski even with the right offer from Chelsea because, I seriously doubt that. Who is going to replace him should he be sold off by the Champions of Bundesliga? There is apparently, no one. You can imagine how Bayern Munich struggled in the just concluded UCL for which, they eventually got eliminated all because, there star man Robert Lewandowski wasn't on the pitch. For sure they've got good players but, Lewandowski has proven to be better at being more productive to the team. He ain't going anywhere and Chelsea has better turn there focus towards other suitable deals.

Bayern is a world grand, which can buy any player he is interested in, but not sell. And the fact that Chelsea beat Bayern Munich in the Champions League is more a lucky coincidence than a well-deserved victory, although the winners are not judged. Bayern can sell Lewandowski in one case, if only they find in his place a new equivalent replacement, and I do not see such a replacement at the moment.

Bayern is not the only world grandee who determines the world transfer policy and at the click of his fingers all the players with the surnames Haaland, Mbappe and Kane line up to move to the Munich club You need to be a little more modest and at times humble your pride Therefore, I think that a move by Lewandowski is quite possible, although it is still unlikely for a number of reasons. Bayern has always been famous for its practical attitude to business and the main thing for the club was not specific personalities, but the club itself. Therefore, if there is a concrete solid offer from another club and the player's own ardent desire to change the situation, it seems that the club will definitely consider the offer, and not immediately reject this option.

[Lordhermes]

You really think Bayern would be willing to sell off Robert Lewandowski even with the right offer from Chelsea because, I seriously doubt that. Who is going to replace him should he be sold off by the Champions of Bundesliga? There is apparently, no one. You can imagine how Bayern Munich struggled in the just concluded UCL for which, they eventually got eliminated all because, there star man Robert Lewandowski wasn't on the pitch. For sure they've got good players but, Lewandowski has proven to be better at being more productive to the team. He ain't going anywhere and Chelsea has better turn there focus towards other suitable deals.

Bayern is a world grand, which can buy any player he is interested in, but not sell. And the fact that Chelsea beat Bayern Munich in the Champions League is more a lucky coincidence than a well-deserved victory, although the winners are not judged. Bayern can sell Lewandowski in one case, if only they find in his place a new equivalent replacement, and I do not see such a replacement at the moment.

Bayern is not the only world grandee who determines the world transfer policy and at the click of his fingers all the players with the surnames Haaland, Mbappe and Kane line up to move to the Munich club You need to be a little more modest and at times humble your pride Therefore, I think that a move by Lewandowski is quite possible, although it is still unlikely for a number of reasons. Bayern has always been famous for its practical attitude to business and the main thing for the club was not specific personalities, but the club itself. Therefore, if there is a concrete solid offer from another club and the player's own ardent desire to change the situation, it seems that the club will definitely consider the offer, and not immediately reject this option.

We are talking about the possibility of Lewandowski signing for another team or not.Teams are coming for him forgeting his age because he is still good even as he is old,but the question is,has he agreed to leave Bayern? We've not heard that part that he is ready for a change of club.I think Lewandowski won't want to leave Bayern now,and any team that wants to have his signature must try to have personal terms agreed first,before going on to agree deal with his team.

[Lafu]

The Munich coach has said that they have not been very active in the transfer market this season because they don't need new players yet

Maybe thats also a reason why they played there first Friendly testing match with players from the second and 3rd Team against Cologne.
To see who will be maybe a option at some stage for the first Team , there was a few younger players that have some nice skillz .

Unless some players are injured then they have to prepare a replacement before the season starts, currently several Munich players have minor injuries
that's the reason why they are not very active in the transfer market. while Lewandowski's transfer rumors have yet to be confirmed.

Chelsea apparently offers 58 million for Lewandowski according to the latest news !
Source : https://www.tz.de/sport/fc-bayern/fc-bayern-muenchen-lewandowski-transfer-geruecht-nagelsmann-fc-chelsea-zr-90868734.html

[hd49728]

Bayern is not the only world grandee who determines the world transfer policy and at the click of his fingers all the players with the surnames Haaland, Mbappe and Kane line up to move to the Munich club You need to be a little more modest and at times humble your pride

Haaland and Kane will not play in the same team, never. Because they are strikers. I know Kane can play as play maker as he shows in the last season with Spurs and with England in Euro 2020. I don't think Haaland will have interest to join the same team with Kane.

Therefore, I think that a move by Lewandowski is quite possible, although it is still unlikely for a number of reasons. Bayern has always been famous for its practical attitude to business and the main thing for the club was not specific personalities, but the club itself.

They are very disciplined and have plans to develop the club. Bastian Sshweinsteiger had to leave Bayern Munich even they are home-grown player and a legend there. Lewandowski is not a home-grown player and he can be sold. Bayern as same as other clubs always need to replace old players by younger players.

Chelsea apparently offers 58 million for Lewandowski according to the latest news !
Source : https://www.tz.de/sport/fc-bayern/fc-bayern-muenchen-lewandowski-transfer-geruecht-nagelsmann-fc-chelsea-zr-90868734.html

Although it is a crazy prize in the pandemic time and at the age of Lewandowski, it is understandable if we look at the scoring record of Lewandowski in recent seasons and consider how expensive Juventus spent to sign with Cristiano Ronaldo from Real Madrid.

[Jackl87]

You really think Bayern would be willing to sell off Robert Lewandowski even with the right offer from Chelsea because, I seriously doubt that. Who is going to replace him should he be sold off by the Champions of Bundesliga? There is apparently, no one. You can imagine how Bayern Munich struggled in the just concluded UCL for which, they eventually got eliminated all because, there star man Robert Lewandowski wasn't on the pitch. For sure they've got good players but, Lewandowski has proven to be better at being more productive to the team. He ain't going anywhere and Chelsea has better turn there focus towards other suitable deals.

Bayern is a world grand, which can buy any player he is interested in, but not sell. And the fact that Chelsea beat Bayern Munich in the Champions League is more a lucky coincidence than a well-deserved victory, although the winners are not judged. Bayern can sell Lewandowski in one case, if only they find in his place a new equivalent replacement, and I do not see such a replacement at the moment.

Bayern is a absolutely world class club that is on par with the best of the world but so far the club officials of Bayern refused to make any completely crazy transfers with fees of over 100M€, but they basically had to make such a transfer if they let Lewandowski go because they need a proper replacement for him, if such a player even exists at the moment. Lewandowski still has a contract with munich until the end of the 22/23 season so bayern could still sell him after the next season. Maybe Bayern is planning to let lewandowski go after the coming season and then replace him with Haaland. So far it looks like Haaland will stay for another year in Dortmund, so the timing could be perfect here. That would be the first 100M€+ transfer for bayern of course.

[kro55]

Chelsea apparently offers 58 million for Lewandowski according to the latest news !
Source : https://www.tz.de/sport/fc-bayern/fc-bayern-muenchen-lewandowski-transfer-geruecht-nagelsmann-fc-chelsea-zr-90868734.html

It is good enough. First of all, almost all the clubs in the world are in financial crisis due to this epidemic situation. There is not enough money in any club's fund. Secondly, we must remember that Lewandowski is now 33 years old. He will not be able to serve any team for too long. So 58m doesn't seem to be a bad deal for him.

[sana54210]

Bayern is a absolutely world class club that is on par with the best of the world but so far the club officials of Bayern refused to make any completely crazy transfers with fees of over 100M€, but they basically had to make such a transfer if they let Lewandowski go because they need a proper replacement for him, if such a player even exists at the moment. Lewandowski still has a contract with munich until the end of the 22/23 season so bayern could still sell him after the next season. Maybe Bayern is planning to let lewandowski go after the coming season and then replace him with Haaland. So far it looks like Haaland will stay for another year in Dortmund, so the timing could be perfect here. That would be the first 100M€+ transfer for bayern of course.

If they do end up selling Lewa which I am sure they do not want to do but if the math is there and it checks out then they will, because they never approach any player emotionally, no person is above the club type of mentality, then they could take a look at Haaland.

I mean this is Bayern, we all know they have the money for it, we all have seen how great Haaland is in bundesliga and they can actually convince him as well considering how they are one of the best teams in all of europe as well. Sure they wouldn't want to pay 150 even 200 million for one player, I do not remember them having any crazy transfers like that but this is Bayern we are talking about, they rarely ever make a mistake and if they get him, they can play him for AT LEAST 10 years and it will provide to be a fruitful investment for them in the long term as well and provide them with basically no loss in the end. Get rid of a 32 year old player and pay an extra 100 million to get the same player for 10 more years from 22 to 32 again. It just makes sense.

[blackened515]

Despite being 32 years old, Lewandowski is still one of the best center forward in the world right now, but I don't think anytime in their right mind would be willing to splash 100m on him being fully aware they'll probably be able to grind 2-3 season more at his peak.]

The European Championship showed that Lewandowski only works when he has a good team around him. Without the passes that serve his teammates at Bayern perfectly, he never had such a punch before the goal. In the Polish national team, he does not have this, so he performs much worse there. Bayern would certainly let Lewandowski go for 100 million, but the question is, who pays this sum for a 32-year-old in Corona time where all teams have financial struggles?

Lewa is already of age and no team will want to pay as much as 100million for such a player no matter how good he is.It is true that Chelsea wants to sign him since the deal for Haaland couldn't reach agreement,attentions was switched to Lewandowski,and I believe if they push hard for the deal,and put in a reasonable offer,Bayern will sell.

Do you think Bayern will easily sell off Lewandoskii to Chelsea. Remember his is one of the star player in Bayern now, and selling him without a replacement won't be good for Bayern. Although, Chelsea have their mind on him since their deal with Haaland wasn't successful. Yes, He is a talented player. But he is already 32 years, and no club will pay 100 million for a player of that age.  I think the £50m Chelsea is ready to offer for the player is not bad.

[ILuckyGuyI]

According to the latest rumours I've heard, Chelsea are preparing to make a bid of £135m for one of greatest strikers now, Erling Haaland. Chelsea are trying their best to sign him and Dortmund are resisting not to sell him now. Haaland's own decision will be very crucial on this. If he wants to leave, we can watch him in the EPL from now on. But then, I hope that he doesn't become like Werner. He was just useless in the last season.

[Lordhermes]

According to the latest rumours I've heard, Chelsea are preparing to make a bid of £135m for one of greatest strikers now, Erling Haaland. Chelsea are trying their best to sign him and Dortmund are resisting not to sell him now. Haaland's own decision will be very crucial on this. If he wants to leave, we can watch him in the EPL from now on. But then, I hope that he doesn't become like Werner. He was just useless in the last season.

One thing I have notice is that English premier league is one of the hardest league,and so the pattern of play in German bundesliga and Laliga is quite different from England's combative style of play.Haaland is very excited now hearing the kind of amount they want to spend on signing him,and at the and of the day,he is not able to deliver or score goals at Chelsea if he eventually goes there,The kind of pressure that will mount on him,he will regret making the move.

[mv1986]

You really think Bayern would be willing to sell off Robert Lewandowski even with the right offer from Chelsea because, I seriously doubt that. Who is going to replace him should he be sold off by the Champions of Bundesliga? There is apparently, no one. You can imagine how Bayern Munich struggled in the just concluded UCL for which, they eventually got eliminated all because, there star man Robert Lewandowski wasn't on the pitch. For sure they've got good players but, Lewandowski has proven to be better at being more productive to the team. He ain't going anywhere and Chelsea has better turn there focus towards other suitable deals.

Bayern is a world grand, which can buy any player he is interested in, but not sell. And the fact that Chelsea beat Bayern Munich in the Champions League is more a lucky coincidence than a well-deserved victory, although the winners are not judged. Bayern can sell Lewandowski in one case, if only they find in his place a new equivalent replacement, and I do not see such a replacement at the moment.

I definitely disagree. Bayern can certainly not buy any player they want. They won't be able to pay 150 million or even more and if they did, it would crush their finances. The sheikh clubs have much more money available and Madrid and Barcelona are indebted as hell, but get it going again and again. I don't know how, but they do. That is what Bayern has to compete with. When Bayern offers Haaland 15 million per season, Madrid will offer 22 million per season. It's that easy. Also, in public perception Madrid and Barcelona are still above Bayern. I don't think that is justified right now, but if you ask young players for their end goal of their career, almost all of them will mention one of those two clubs.

[hahay]

You really think Bayern would be willing to sell off Robert Lewandowski even with the right offer from Chelsea because, I seriously doubt that. Who is going to replace him should he be sold off by the Champions of Bundesliga? There is apparently, no one. You can imagine how Bayern Munich struggled in the just concluded UCL for which, they eventually got eliminated all because, there star man Robert Lewandowski wasn't on the pitch. For sure they've got good players but, Lewandowski has proven to be better at being more productive to the team. He ain't going anywhere and Chelsea has better turn there focus towards other suitable deals.

Bayern is a world grand, which can buy any player he is interested in, but not sell. And the fact that Chelsea beat Bayern Munich in the Champions League is more a lucky coincidence than a well-deserved victory, although the winners are not judged. Bayern can sell Lewandowski in one case, if only they find in his place a new equivalent replacement, and I do not see such a replacement at the moment.

I definitely disagree. Bayern can certainly not buy any player they want. They won't be able to pay 150 million or even more and if they did, it would crush their finances. The sheikh clubs have much more money available and Madrid and Barcelona are indebted as hell, but get it going again and again. I don't know how, but they do. That is what Bayern has to compete with. When Bayern offers Haaland 15 million per season, Madrid will offer 22 million per season. It's that easy. Also, in public perception Madrid and Barcelona are still above Bayern. I don't think that is justified right now, but if you ask young players for their end goal of their career, almost all of them will mention one of those two clubs.

Chelsea are just frustrated that they can't get Haaland because Dortmund set a high price for Haaland, of course Chelsea can't accept it at that price. But unfortunately, it looks like Chelsea have no other choice but these two names which I think these two names will definitely not be easy to get. Lewandowski and Haaland are being targeted by big teams and of course it will be a competition between the big teams for their services or one of them. Even though Lewandowski wants to find a new challenge in another team like in the Premier League, I don't think Bayern will let him go that easily.

[hd49728]

Chelsea are just frustrated that they can't get Haaland because Dortmund set a high price for Haaland, of course Chelsea can't accept it at that price. But unfortunately, it looks like Chelsea have no other choice but these two names which I think these two names will definitely not be easy to get.

Chelsea should aware of that challenge from Dortmund. That club is like Spurs in Premier League. Their Presidents don't want to sell players at cheap price.

Haaland, on the other hands, is one of hottest players now. He is one of the best players in the young generation, together with Mbappe. They are compared to Messi and Ronaldo.

In addition, if transfers are related to clubs in Premier League like Chelsea, Manchester United, price will be higher a bit than clubs in other leagues. Dortmund know that they can sell at higher price if the buyer is Chelsea and Haaland should have more expensive price on the market than Kai Havertz.

Lewandowski and Haaland are being targeted by big teams and of course it will be a competition between the big teams for their services or one of them. Even though Lewandowski wants to find a new challenge in another team like in the Premier League, I don't think Bayern will let him go that easily.

Lewy achieved all in Bayern Munich and at his age, he can think of finding challenge and experience in other big leagues, La Liga or Premier League. It is not bad for Lewy. Bayern Munich will only let Lewy go if they already find other players to take over the position of Lewy in the club.

[Wawa2013]

Chelsea are just frustrated that they can't get Haaland because Dortmund set a high price for Haaland, of course Chelsea can't accept it at that price. But unfortunately, it looks like Chelsea have no other choice but these two names which I think these two names will definitely not be easy to get.

Chelsea should aware of that challenge from Dortmund. That club is like Spurs in Premier League. Their Presidents don't want to sell players at cheap price.

Haaland, on the other hands, is one of hottest players now. He is one of the best players in the young generation, together with Mbappe. They are compared to Messi and Ronaldo.

In addition, if transfers are related to clubs in Premier League like Chelsea, Manchester United, price will be higher a bit than clubs in other leagues. Dortmund know that they can sell at higher price if the buyer is Chelsea and Haaland should have more expensive price on the market than Kai Havertz.

Lewandowski and Haaland are being targeted by big teams and of course it will be a competition between the big teams for their services or one of them. Even though Lewandowski wants to find a new challenge in another team like in the Premier League, I don't think Bayern will let him go that easily.

Lewy achieved all in Bayern Munich and at his age, he can think of finding challenge and experience in other big leagues, La Liga or Premier League. It is not bad for Lewy. Bayern Munich will only let Lewy go if they already find other players to take over the position of Lewy in the club.

Dortmund know Haaland is being wanted by a lot of big clubs, so Dortmund would want a very high price. Sometimes Dortmund often bluffing,
by saying the star player is not for sale, but if the offer is big they will definitely agree. Moreover, Dortmund knows that selling Haaland next season
the price will fall. If Chelsea dared to bid Haaland at a higher price than the last bid, there is a possibility Dortmund accept the offer. But it looks
like Chelsea doesn't want to raise its offer anymore, and now starting to focus on signing Lewandowski. But Bayern aren't stupid either, won't just
let Lewandowski go. Moreover Lewandowski's contribution is very large for Bayern. It is likely that Chelsea will find it difficult to sign Lewandowski,
because Bayern will charge a high price if Chelsea are serious about signing Lewandowski.

[hd49728]

Dortmund know Haaland is being wanted by a lot of big clubs, so Dortmund would want a very high price. Sometimes Dortmund often bluffing, by saying the star player is not for sale, but if the offer is big they will definitely agree. Moreover, Dortmund knows that selling Haaland next season the price will fall.

If they can sell Sancho, they will sell Haaland. In history, Dortmund sell many stars: Goetze, Lewandowski, Hummels, Aubameyang. Haaland will not be an exception and he is not a home-grown player of Dortmund. They don't have to keep him in the club and won't face with pressure from fans to keep Haaland.

Haaland is talented but he is another player who just comes and goes.

If Chelsea dared to bid Haaland at a higher price than the last bid, there is a possibility Dortmund accept the offer.

Maybe in the next summer, when Dortmund find another player to replace Haaland. One year for their scouts to search for replacement over the world. Delay one more season like what they did with Sancho and Manchester United. If Chelseas won't give up, I think Dortmund will sell Haaland to Chelsea.

But it looks like Chelsea doesn't want to raise its offer anymore, and now starting to focus on signing Lewandowski. But Bayern aren't stupid either, won't just
let Lewandowski go. Moreover Lewandowski's contribution is very large for Bayern. It is likely that Chelsea will find it difficult to sign Lewandowski,
because Bayern will charge a high price if Chelsea are serious about signing Lewandowski.

Lewandowski is in his thirties and Bayern Munich will sell him if he want to go and if the club for good replacements for Lewy. What if Lewy moves to Chelsea and Haaland moves to Bayern?

[tyz]

Dortmund know Haaland is being wanted by a lot of big clubs, so Dortmund would want a very high price. Sometimes Dortmund often bluffing,
by saying the star player is not for sale, but if the offer is big they will definitely agree. Moreover, Dortmund knows that selling Haaland next season
the price will fall. If Chelsea dared to bid Haaland at a higher price than the last bid, there is a possibility Dortmund accept the offer. But it looks
like Chelsea doesn't want to raise its offer anymore, and now starting to focus on signing Lewandowski. But Bayern aren't stupid either, won't just
let Lewandowski go. Moreover Lewandowski's contribution is very large for Bayern. It is likely that Chelsea will find it difficult to sign Lewandowski,
because Bayern will charge a high price if Chelsea are serious about signing Lewandowski.

Partly agree with you. If there really will be such a good offer for Haaland as currently speculated (€ 175 million), then Dortmund would be very stupid if they would not sell. Dortmund is in a good financial position, but has suffered losses the last two years due to Corona, and such an offer would massively improve the club's financial room for new transfers. Moreover, there is always a risk that the market price will fall sharply in the future. What if Haaland plays a bad season or if he will even be injured for a longer period of time? Then no club would be willing to pay 100+ million so easily. Therefore, Dortmund will think twice, also because it is foreseeable that Haaland will have to be sold sooner or later anyway and the market price will hardly rise more than what is currently offered.

[Lafu]

Partly agree with you. If there really will be such a good offer for Haaland as currently speculated (€ 175 million), then Dortmund would be very stupid if they would not sell. Dortmund is in a good financial position, but has suffered losses the last two years due to Corona, and such an offer would massively improve the club's financial room for new transfers. Moreover, there is always a risk that the market price will fall sharply in the future. What if Haaland plays a bad season or if he will even be injured for a longer period of time? Then no club would be willing to pay 100+ million so easily. Therefore, Dortmund will think twice, also because it is foreseeable that Haaland will have to be sold sooner or later anyway and the market price will hardly rise more than what is currently offered.

For sure would this amount of money will bring them a financial room and some covered losses.
But for the long term i guess it will be bring them more lose , if they sell him and also there would be noone that would be replace them.
If they want to possible beat Bayern Munich and to get the Title of the German League they need somebody like Haaland .

[mv1986]

You really think Bayern would be willing to sell off Robert Lewandowski even with the right offer from Chelsea because, I seriously doubt that. Who is going to replace him should he be sold off by the Champions of Bundesliga? There is apparently, no one. You can imagine how Bayern Munich struggled in the just concluded UCL for which, they eventually got eliminated all because, there star man Robert Lewandowski wasn't on the pitch. For sure they've got good players but, Lewandowski has proven to be better at being more productive to the team. He ain't going anywhere and Chelsea has better turn there focus towards other suitable deals.

Bayern is a world grand, which can buy any player he is interested in, but not sell. And the fact that Chelsea beat Bayern Munich in the Champions League is more a lucky coincidence than a well-deserved victory, although the winners are not judged. Bayern can sell Lewandowski in one case, if only they find in his place a new equivalent replacement, and I do not see such a replacement at the moment.

I definitely disagree. Bayern can certainly not buy any player they want. They won't be able to pay 150 million or even more and if they did, it would crush their finances. The sheikh clubs have much more money available and Madrid and Barcelona are indebted as hell, but get it going again and again. I don't know how, but they do. That is what Bayern has to compete with. When Bayern offers Haaland 15 million per season, Madrid will offer 22 million per season. It's that easy. Also, in public perception Madrid and Barcelona are still above Bayern. I don't think that is justified right now, but if you ask young players for their end goal of their career, almost all of them will mention one of those two clubs.

Chelsea are just frustrated that they can't get Haaland because Dortmund set a high price for Haaland, of course Chelsea can't accept it at that price. But unfortunately, it looks like Chelsea have no other choice but these two names which I think these two names will definitely not be easy to get. Lewandowski and Haaland are being targeted by big teams and of course it will be a competition between the big teams for their services or one of them. Even though Lewandowski wants to find a new challenge in another team like in the Premier League, I don't think Bayern will let him go that easily.

The problem I see with Chelsea is also that it is not the absolute dream club for the absolute top players. Yes if enough money is involved Haaland would probably go to Chelsea, but the money Chelsea can offer won't be more than what Madrid or Manchester City can offer. I would be quite surprised to see Haaland play for Chelsea. Although it could be an option for him to go for three years, take the next step again and then realize his big dream.

[Spack17]

Lewandowski hasn't said anything about the rumours about him going to Chelsea. But I think that it means he doesn't want to leave Bayern. If he had a decrease in his performance, then he would think of leaving and trying new adventures. AFAIK, he achieved everything he can with Bayern so far. He can still look for new adventures. But it looks like it's not time.